Discerning Celtic

[Athalafuns]

I collected a model for my own interest, but I am sharing it with you in case you also want to use it. Its purpose is to discern the amount of Early Celtic blood, and for this I looked at the LBA-EIA chronology.

ADC - 0.5X, share both AGGREGATE YES and NO since to get a real benefit it is necessary to ensure the correlation of your samples with modern populations as I will show below. Avoid low coverage samples.

<iframe src="https://pastebin.com/embed_iframe/70jAV6Sq" style="border:none;width:100%"></iframe>

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.2869% / 0.01286930 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.6 Croatia_EIA
22.6 Spain_Greek_oLocal
16.4 England_EIA
7.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
5.6 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
4.2 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
3.4 Tanzania_PN

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.2869% / 0.01286930 | ADC: 0.5x RC
27.0 Croatia_EIA:I5729__BC_970__Cov_55.77%
22.6 Spain_Greek_oLocal:I8209__BC_604__Cov_73.72%
16.4 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
13.6 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
7.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%
5.6 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL006__BC_672__Cov_40.7 0%
3.8 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR2B6.SG__BC_750__Cov_18.1 4%
3.4 Tanzania_PN:I13981__BC_616__Cov_27.92%
0.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%


16.4% England_EIA + 7.2% Czechia_LBA_Knoviz + 4.2% France_GrandEst_IA= 27.8% Celtic

Distance to: England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
0.02995502 French_Brittany
0.03048925 BelgianA

Distance to: Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%
0.02573948 Swiss_French
0.02783928 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR2B6.SG__BC_750__Cov_18.1 4%
0.04471051 Swiss_French
0.04586080 Italian_Aosta_Valley

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.3681% / 0.01368131 | ADC: 0.5x RC
25.4 England_MBA_lowEEF
24.8 England_LBA
16.2 England_EIA
13.2 Scotland_MBA
8.4 Scotland_LBA
7.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
4.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA

[vader]

Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 0.9082% / 0.00908162 | ADC: 0.5x RC
22.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
21.8 Croatia_EIA
20.2 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan
16.0 Spain_Navarra_EIA
7.6 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
5.6 Slovenia_EIA
5.0 Kenya_Pastoral_N_o
1.6 Croatia_MLBA

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.4809% / 0.02480866 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.4 Mexico_LaPlaya/CerroDeTrincheras_2400BP
31.6 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA
16.0 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1

[Gannicus]

Distance to: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
0.02484540 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
0.02569014 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
0.02881927 England_LBA:I12624__BC_850__Cov_21.40%
0.03025612 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
0.03046587 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
0.03057900 England_EIA:I19868__BC_629__Cov_49.59%
0.03291774 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13792__BC_1050__Cov_71.90%
0.03360021 England_LBA:I14864__BC_889__Cov_64.97%
0.03382628 England_LBA:I13712__BC_964__Cov_71.19%
0.03387653 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
0.03438763 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
0.03473576 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13796__BC_1050__Cov_69.71%
0.03478496 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
0.03495379 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
0.03545333 England_LBA:I14377__BC_939__Cov_67.64%
0.03635551 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
0.03656105 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
0.03685886 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13788__BC_1050__Cov_70.32%
0.03725811 England_EIA:I16618__BC_654__Cov_36.01%
0.03769494 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13783__BC_1072__Cov_69.75%
0.03781068 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I20526__BC_900__Cov_17.62%
0.03783516 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
0.03807518 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15960__BC_1100__Cov_62.68%
0.03857913 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%
0.03859193 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0148% / 0.01484274 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.4 England_LBA:I12624__BC_850__Cov_21.40%
20.3 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
17.5 England_EIA:I19868__BC_629__Cov_49.59%
9.8 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
9.6 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
5.8 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
5.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
4.9 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0148% / 0.01484274 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.6 England_LBA
37.8 England_EIA
5.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt
4.9 Scotland_LBA

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0130% / 0.01297357 | R5P
44.2 England_LBA
27.2 England_EIA
15.7 England_MBA_lowEEF
8.6 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
4.3 Lebanon_IA2.SG

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0134% / 0.01336282 | R3P
55.8 England_LBA
39.8 England_EIA
4.4 Lebanon_IA2.SG

[cass]

Scythe as hell :rolleyes:

Target: cass
Distance: 1.4225% / 0.01422469 | ADC: 0.5x RC
20.2 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
17.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
13.4 Croatia_MLBA
12.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
12.2 Ukraine_Scythian.SG
8.6 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA
8.6 Ukraine_Scythian
4.4 Hungary_EIA_o3
2.6 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug



Target: cass
Distance: 1.9398% / 0.01939831 | ADC: 1x
36.4 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA
31.4 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
16.0 Hungary_EIA_o3
11.2 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
5.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz

Target: cass
Distance: 1.6351% / 0.01635118 | ADC: 0.5x
30.0 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
16.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
16.2 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA
15.8 Hungary_EIA_o3
12.2 Croatia_MLBA
3.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
2.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
2.6 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
0.8 Ukraine_Scythian
0.2 Ukraine_Scythian.SG

Distance to: cass
0.02932196 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.02992158 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
0.03110017 Hungary_EIA_o3:I25525__BC_600__Cov_68.20%
0.03217234 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I16089__BC_1050__Cov_69.35%
0.03233524 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I11719__BC_626__Cov_54.31%
0.03408713 Montenegro_IA:I13170_v54.1_addback__BC_600__Cov_66 .37%
0.03410240 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy009_noUDG.SG__BC_618__Cov_6 9.53%
0.03502094 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.04083420 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 4__BC_650__Cov_36.39%
0.04093869 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16326__BC_675__Cov_42.35%
0.04155211 Hungary_LBA:I11665__BC_1150__Cov_69.59%
0.04165052 Czechia_BA_Veterov_2:I7949__BC_1072__Cov_72.91%
0.04251028 Italy_Tarquinia_IA:ITTQ11__BC_810__Cov_67.75%
0.04530331 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
0.04540410 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
0.04591092 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
0.04596847 Netherlands_MBA_LBA:I12083__BC_1150__Cov_67.29%
0.04622853 Croatia_MLBA:I18721__BC_1150__Cov_53.81%
0.04625049 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15957__BC_1100__Cov_60.66%
0.04692431 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
0.04823787 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 2__BC_660__Cov_16.42%
0.04826271 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
0.04907900 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
0.04958128 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16088__BC_643__Cov_34.39%
0.04961439 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%

[ScandinavianCelt]

Try R3-4-5P also:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.5166% / 0.01516632 | R3P
79.4 England_LBA
12.8 Estonia_BA.SG
7.8 Armenia_LBA

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.5365% / 0.01536526 | R3P
29.2 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18% (Norwegian)
24.6 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54% (Irish)
11.6 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31% (Brittany)
9.4 Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X15_2_noUDG.SG__BC_1087__Cov_19. 16% (Lithuanian_PZ)
8.4 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36% (Orcadian)
8.0 Armenia_IA:I13947__BC_662__Cov_19.11% (Andian-Avar)
6.0 England_LBA:I13712__BC_964__Cov_71.19% (Brittany-Irish)
2.8 Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X10_1_noUDG.SG__BC_1125__Cov_13. 53% (Latvian)

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Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.4543% / 0.01454311 | R4P
69.6 England_LBA
14.0 Estonia_BA.SG
9.0 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
7.4 Armenia_EIA

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.3184% / 0.01318421 | R5P
37.0 England_LBA
30.6 Netherlands_LBA
14.8 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
10.4 Estonia_BA.SG
7.2 Armenia_EIA


Here's what you asked for though: How Celtic was I then? 3/4?

Official Averaged:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.4536% / 0.01453564 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.2 England_LBA
23.4 England_EIA
14.4 Croatia_MLBA
10.4 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA
10.0 Netherlands_LBA
3.6 England_MBA

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.4536% / 0.01453564 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.2 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
16.4 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
14.4 Croatia_MLBA:I18721__BC_1150__Cov_53.81%
10.4 Ukraine_Srubnaya_MLBA:MJ08__BC_637__Cov_8.31%
10.0 Netherlands_LBA:I11971__BC_1110__Cov_62.79%
7.0 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
3.6 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%


Merged:

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.2498% / 0.01249768 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.4 England_LBA
36.2 England_EIA
9.4 Ukraine_Scythian
6.6 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA
4.0 Denmark_BA
1.0 Scotland_LBA
0.4 England_MBA_lowEEF

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.2498% / 0.01249768 | ADC: 0.5x RC
25.4 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
20.4 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
15.8 England_EIA:C10462__BC_750__Cov_31.38%
9.6 England_LBA:I12614__BC_950__Cov_11.87%
9.4 Ukraine_Scythian:MJ14__BC_643__Cov_8.13%
7.4 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
6.6 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA:UKR113__BC _600__Cov_52.93%
4.0 Denmark_BA:RISE276__BC_662__Cov_7.87%
1.0 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.4 England_MBA_lowEEF:I7580__BC_1137__Cov_66.90%

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so the top 5 pieces @ 2x ADC look this way for me:

Target: Armenia_LBA:I19347__BC_1175__Cov_77.60%
Distance: 2.1088% / 0.02108842 | ADC: 2x RC
57.4 Andian_A
42.6 Avar_o

Target: Estonia_BA.SG:s19_X15_2_noUDG.SG__BC_1087__Cov_19. 16%
Distance: 5.2072% / 0.05207186 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Lithuanian_PZ

Target: England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
Distance: 2.6872% / 0.02687161 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Norwegian

Target: England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
Distance: 2.2791% / 0.02279116 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 French_Brittany

Target: England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
Distance: 2.3212% / 0.02321175 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Irish

[Athalafuns]

...
Is it close to what you expected?

[cass]

Is it close to what you expected?

Since the Slavs cremated themselves, they should be sought among those practicing the skeletal rite, e.g. the Scythians. The only interesting thing is the deviation from the Baltic population.

https://i.ibb.co/kS1ct58/Zrzut-ekranu-7-1-2025-181853-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/z4JfzQR)


I wonder what the result would be if you also used Tollense samples.

[Albannach]

Target: Albannach_scaled
Distance: 1.1110% / 0.01110952 | ADC: 0.5x RC
21.2 England_MBA_lowEEF
20.4 England_LBA_highEEF
16.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
15.4 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
14.8 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
12.0 Scotland_LBA

Distance to: Albannach_scaled
0.02138692 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.02483510 England_MBA_lowEEF:I7580__BC_1137__Cov_66.90%
0.02637826 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
0.02730331 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
0.02734442 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
0.02884111 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
0.03009461 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
0.03026124 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
0.03046523 Scotland_LBA:I3130__BC_894__Cov_70.53%
0.03063694 England_LBA:I14377__BC_939__Cov_67.64%
0.03067914 England_LBA:I14862__BC_884__Cov_71.32%
0.03125530 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
0.03216379 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
0.03227573 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
0.03281185 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%
0.03306126 England_MBA:I7578__BC_1130__Cov_67.38%
0.03425174 Czechia_BA_Veterov_2:I7949__BC_1072__Cov_72.91%
0.03440790 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%
0.03601018 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
0.03617292 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
0.03624014 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711__BC_978__Cov_72.69%
0.03636864 England_EIA:I19862__BC_621__Cov_57.07%
0.03672487 Netherlands_LBA:I11971__BC_1110__Cov_62.79%
0.03693508 Netherlands_LBA:I20062__BC_860__Cov_69.35%
0.03774970 Netherlands_MBA_LBA:I12083__BC_1150__Cov_67.29%

[Athalafuns]

I wonder what the result would be if you also used Tollense samples.
+ Tollense

<iframe src="https://pastebin.com/embed_iframe/vyPL1k2J" style="border:none;width:100%"></iframe>

[Vitez]

Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 0.0181% / 0.01808877 | ADC: 1x RC
41.6 Montenegro_IA:I13170_v54.1_addback__BC_600__Cov_66 .37%
23.9 Hungary_IA_Scythian_oAegean.SG:DA195_noUDG.SG__BC_ 622__Cov_47.30%
17.5 Croatia_EIA:I5727__BC_636__Cov_53.43%
17.0 Croatia_MLBA:I18721__BC_1150__Cov_53.81%

[Xavier727]

Distance to: scaled
0.02165436 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
0.02460007 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
0.02618885 Netherlands_MBA_LBA:I12083__BC_1150__Cov_67.29%
0.02658535 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
0.02728375 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%

Target: scaled
Distance: 0.8790% / 0.00879032
44.4 England_EIA
10.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
9.8 Scotland_LBA
8.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
7.2 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
5.8 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res
4.4 Scotland_MBA
3.4 Estonia_BA.SG
3.0 England_LBA
1.8 Ukraine_Cimmerians.SG
1.6 France_South_LBA
0.2 Brazil_Limão_2700BP
0.2 Macedonia_IA

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.1404% / 0.01140383 | ADC: 0.5x RC
29.8 England_EIA
21.6 Scotland_LBA
15.0 Scotland_MBA
13.2 England_LBA
10.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
5.0 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt
4.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.0958% / 0.01095759 | R3P
71.2 England_EIA
15.8 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
13.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res

Target: scaled
Distance: 0.9985% / 0.00998483 | R4P
67.8 England_EIA
11.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res
10.6 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
10.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res


2 WAY for England_EIA:I19868__BC_629__Cov_49.59%

72% Danish + 28% Spanish_Soria
70% Norwegian + 30% Spanish_Soria
67% Icelandic + 33% Spanish_Soria
63% Swedish + 37% Spanish_Soria
80% Dutch + 20% Spanish_Soria

[Athalafuns]

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.2869% / 0.01286930 | ADC: 0.5x RC
27.0 Croatia_EIA:I5729__BC_970__Cov_55.77%
22.6 Spain_Greek_oLocal:I8209__BC_604__Cov_73.72%
16.4 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
13.6 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
7.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%
5.6 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL006__BC_672__Cov_40.7 0%
3.8 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR2B6.SG__BC_750__Cov_18.1 4%
3.4 Tanzania_PN:I13981__BC_616__Cov_27.92%
0.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%


16.4% England_EIA + 7.2% Czechia_LBA_Knoviz + 4.2% France_GrandEst_IA= 27.8% Celtic
That Croatian percentage I have pointed out above comes from an Urnfield site as reported by Gábor Ilon. Adding that to the 27.8% Celtic, it means that 54.8% of my genotype comes from the Urnfield cultural context.

Regarding the second Croatian percentage (13.6% I23911), I have not been able to find its exact archaeological typology, but it correlates with the same modern populations as the first one (Catalans, northern Italians) so they arrived together. That means that almost 70% of myself comes from the Urnfield folks.

https://i.postimg.cc/m2zNdR4b/14456-png.webp (https://postimg.cc/dLFy1bDX)

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.5284% / 0.01528408 | ADC: 0.5x RC
24.6 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA
23.4 Slovenia_EIA
16.0 Spain_Navarra_EIA
13.2 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan
8.0 Croatia_EIA
5.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
4.8 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean_o.SG
4.4 Tanzania_Luxmanda_3000BP

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 0.8560% / 0.00855974
17.0 England_EIA
16.2 England_EIA_low_res
12.0 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean_o.SG
11.6 Italy_Sardinia_LBA
11.6 Spain_Navarra_EIA
9.4 Armenia_UrartianEmpire
3.6 England_LBA
3.6 Italy_IA_Republic.SG
3.0 France_GrandEst_IA
3.0 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
2.8 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA
2.2 Iran_Hasanlu_IA_noUDG
2.0 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_IA
1.6 Cameroon_SMA
0.2 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
0.2 Tanzania_PN

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: scaled
0.02165436 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
0.02460007 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
0.02618885 Netherlands_MBA_LBA:I12083__BC_1150__Cov_67.29%
0.02658535 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
0.02728375 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%

Target: scaled
Distance: 0.8790% / 0.00879032
44.4 England_EIA
10.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
9.8 Scotland_LBA
8.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
7.2 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
5.8 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res
4.4 Scotland_MBA
3.4 Estonia_BA.SG
3.0 England_LBA
1.8 Ukraine_Cimmerians.SG
1.6 France_South_LBA
0.2 Brazil_Limão_2700BP
0.2 Macedonia_IA

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.1404% / 0.01140383 | ADC: 0.5x RC
29.8 England_EIA
21.6 Scotland_LBA
15.0 Scotland_MBA
13.2 England_LBA
10.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
5.0 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt
4.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.0958% / 0.01095759 | R3P
71.2 England_EIA
15.8 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
13.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res

Target: scaled
Distance: 0.9985% / 0.00998483 | R4P
67.8 England_EIA
11.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_low_res
10.6 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
10.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res


2 WAY for England_EIA:I19868__BC_629__Cov_49.59%

72% Danish + 28% Spanish_Soria
70% Norwegian + 30% Spanish_Soria
67% Icelandic + 33% Spanish_Soria
63% Swedish + 37% Spanish_Soria
80% Dutch + 20% Spanish_Soria

remove low res

I took ones I could hit out but might be more in here?

<iframe src="https://pastebin.com/embed_iframe/JwjRTRi8" style="border:none;width:50%"></iframe>

[Xavier727]

Distance to: scaled
0.02165436 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
0.02460007 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
0.02618885 Netherlands_MBA_LBA:I12083__BC_1150__Cov_67.29%
0.02658535 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
0.02728375 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.1404% / 0.01140383 | ADC: 0.5x RC
29.8 England_EIA
21.6 Scotland_LBA
15.0 Scotland_MBA
13.2 England_LBA
10.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
5.0 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt
4.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.1181% / 0.01118141 | R3P
60.4 England_EIA
23.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
16.0 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.0626% / 0.01062640 | R4P
54.6 England_EIA
20.8 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
12.4 Ukraine_Cimmerians_o1.SG
12.2 Netherlands_LBA


No real difference, it looks more or less the same

[Wend-Kruzek]

Distance to: wend-Kruzek_scaled
0.03411873 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.03623603 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I11719__BC_626__Cov_54.31%
0.03712060 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I12106__BC_664__Cov_55.91%
0.03727975 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I16089__BC_1050__Cov_69.35%
0.03728310 Montenegro_IA:I13170_v54.1_addback__BC_600__Cov_66 .37%
0.04087012 Hungary_EIA_o3:I25525__BC_600__Cov_68.20%
0.04279591 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.04414392 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
0.04424179 Croatia_MLBA:I18721__BC_1150__Cov_53.81%
0.04512618 Ukraine_Scythian.SG:scy009_noUDG.SG__BC_618__Cov_6 9.53%
0.04620694 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15955__BC_1109__Cov_55.43%
0.04752675 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16326__BC_675__Cov_42.35%
0.04764155 Croatia_EIA:I5727__BC_636__Cov_53.43%
0.04770863 Czechia_BA_Veterov_2:I7949__BC_1072__Cov_72.91%
0.04834491 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 4__BC_650__Cov_36.39%
0.04903813 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16088__BC_643__Cov_34.39%
0.04932626 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
0.04950862 England_LBA:I14862__BC_884__Cov_71.32%
0.04962470 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
0.04971940 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
0.04999320 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18211__BC_775__C ov_65.63%
0.05060433 Italy_Tarquinia_IA:ITTQ11__BC_810__Cov_67.75%
0.05063014 Hungary_LBA:I25505__BC_961__Cov_39.03%
0.05194323 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15958__BC_1100__Cov_61.05%
0.05253813 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%


Target: LudovitKruzek_scaled
Distance: 1.3829% / 0.01382944 | ADC: 0.25x RC
29.0 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
17.8 Lithuania_BA
15.4 Croatia_IA
8.4 Croatia_EIA
7.6 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_IA
6.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
5.6 England_LBA
5.0 Hungary_IA_Prescythian.SG
4.8 Croatia_MLBA

No Cov_under 15%

[cass]

+ Tollense

<iframe src="https://pastebin.com/embed_iframe/vyPL1k2J" style="border:none;width:100%"></iframe>

Somehow not particularly exposed. Maybe they really are extinct. ;)




Target: cass
Distance: 0.9549% / 0.00954929 | ADC: 0.25x RC
27.4 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA
16.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
11.2 Latvia_BA
10.2 Ukraine_Scythian
9.8 England_MBA
8.8 Estonia_BA.SG
5.6 Germany_Tollense_BA_o2
4.4 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
3.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
2.8 Croatia_MLBA


Target: cass
Distance: 1.3830% / 0.01383020 | ADC: 0.5x RC
17.2 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
15.0 Croatia_MLBA
14.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
11.6 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
11.6 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA
8.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA
8.6 Germany_Tollense_BA_o2
7.4 Ukraine_Scythian
5.4 Hungary_EIA_o3

[Rædwald]

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 1.1530% / 0.01153049 | ADC: 0.5x RC
22.0 Croatia_EIA:I5727__BC_636__Cov_53.43%
19.2 England_EIA:I16618__BC_654__Cov_36.01%
14.0 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%
10.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
10.0 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
8.8 England_EIA_low_res:I16617__BC_641__Cov_7.16%
7.6 England_EIA:I19862__BC_621__Cov_57.07%
4.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
2.4 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
0.4 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.2 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 1.1530% / 0.01153049 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.8 England_EIA
22.0 Croatia_EIA
14.0 England_MBA
10.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
10.2 England_LBA
8.8 England_EIA_low_res
4.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
2.4 England_LBA_highEEF
0.4 Scotland_LBA

[cass]

Scythians mentioned vs modern populations

Distance to: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_NomEl_3_EIA:UKR116 __BC_645__Cov_46.54%
0.02812066 Belarusian
0.02864696 Russian_Pskov
0.02890109 Lithuanian_PA
0.03071293 Russian_Kaluga
0.03076791 Russian_Smolensk
0.03100357 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03131392 Estonian
0.03170873 Russian_Kursk
0.03204512 Lithuanian_VA
0.03253558 Russian_Orel
0.03265167 Lithuanian_PZ
0.03394301 Russian_Voronez
0.03445459 Russian_Tver
0.03498895 Lithuanian_RA
0.03525261 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03547440 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03550275 Latvian
0.03573119 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03614348 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03648690 Polish_Kashubian
0.03677789 Russian_Ryazan
0.03689992 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03706429 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03709586 Polish
0.03768374 Cossack_Ukrainian

Distance to: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.02782792 Slovakian
0.02843673 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02979541 Czech
0.03019295 Hungarian
0.03110925 Slovenian
0.03163047 Polish_Silesian
0.03182520 German_East
0.03198238 Polish
0.03245326 Croatian
0.03253797 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03312599 Moldovan_o
0.03604323 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03645683 German_Erlangen
0.03647136 German_Hamburg
0.03648910 Austrian
0.03667523 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03867924 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03974895 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.04000587 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04035760 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04036379 Russian_Belgorod
0.04076093 Polish_Kashubian
0.04080523 Russian_Voronez
0.04129389 German
0.04174519 Cossack_Ukrainian

Distance to: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.03130650 Slovakian
0.03293123 Moldovan_o
0.03374506 Czech
0.03379140 Hungarian
0.03395377 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03684920 Polish_Silesian
0.03710344 German_Hamburg
0.03924859 Austrian
0.03992731 Polish
0.03997979 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03999614 Croatian
0.04010534 German_Erlangen
0.04021394 Swedish
0.04046935 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.04126306 Slovenian
0.04144866 German_East
0.04264103 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.04280140 German
0.04286070 Russian_Ryazan
0.04288709 Cossack_Kuban
0.04311821 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.04402454 Russian_Kursk
0.04459993 Afrikaner
0.04518954 Russian_Orel
0.04560562 Russian_Belgorod


A very unusual antique profile.

Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
Distance: 1.0655% / 0.01065470
30.2 Lithuanian_VA
16.4 Spanish_Soria
14.8 Danish
11.4 Cossack_Kuban
7.6 Slovakian
4.6 Orcadian
4.4 Finnish_Southeast
4.0 Iranian_Arab_Khuzestan
2.8 Tajik_Yaghnobi
1.8 Altaian_Kizhi_o
1.6 Han_Shanghai
0.4 Sudan_Nuba_Koalib


Target: Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
Distance: 1.2001% / 0.01200059 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.6 Slovakian
22.0 Orcadian
16.4 Cossack_Kuban
4.0 Spanish_Soria
3.4 Altaian_Kizhi_o
2.0 Eritrean
1.0 Han_Shanghai
0.6 Erzya

[PT Tagus]

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.7037% / 0.01703657 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.0 England_LBA
20.8 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean_o.SG
13.0 Croatia_EIA
11.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
9.6 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA
7.8 Ukraine_Odesa_ThracianHallstatt_EIA
5.0 Kenya_Pastoral_N_o
3.8 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
2.4 Spain_Navarra_EIA


Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 1.7037% / 0.01703657 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.0 England_LBA:I12624__BC_850__Cov_21.40%
20.8 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean_o.SG:R475. SG__BC_650__Cov_73.10%
13.0 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
11.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
9.6 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA:I18717__BC_1150__Cov_44.08%
7.8 Ukraine_Odesa_ThracianHallstatt_EIA:UKR001__BC_800 __Cov_62.79%
5.0 Kenya_Pastoral_N_o:I8759__BC_650__Cov_6.49%
3.8 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL006__BC_672__Cov_40.7 0%
2.4 Spain_Navarra_EIA:ERE004_ss.A0101__BC_783__Cov_25. 41%

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02640105 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
0.02657303 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.02678472 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
0.02874924 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
0.03015713 England_MBA:I7578__BC_1130__Cov_67.38%
0.03131802 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
0.03180664 England_MBA_lowEEF:I7580__BC_1137__Cov_66.90%
0.03218223 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
0.03222521 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%
0.03243270 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
0.03275186 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
0.03310098 England_LBA:I14377__BC_939__Cov_67.64%
0.03313654 England_LBA:I14862__BC_884__Cov_71.32%
0.03326825 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
0.03383195 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%
0.03403322 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
0.03445602 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
0.03478079 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711__BC_978__Cov_72.69%
0.03483756 Czechia_BA_Veterov_2:I7949__BC_1072__Cov_72.91%
0.03536478 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
0.03574830 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
0.03594967 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
0.03623213 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
0.03663862 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
0.03717011 Scotland_LBA:I3130__BC_894__Cov_70.53%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.3995% / 0.01399533
22.2 England_LBA
13.4 Netherlands_LBA
11.6 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
10.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
9.8 England_EIA
5.6 Greece_Crete_LBA
5.2 England_EIA_low_res
4.8 Slovenia_EIA
4.6 Estonia_BA.SG
3.6 France_South_LBA
3.4 Scotland_LBA
2.4 Netherlands_EIA_low_res
1.6 England_LBA_lowEEF
1.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4498% / 0.01449834 | ADC: 0.25x RC
16.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
13.0 Netherlands_LBA
12.0 England_LBA
10.8 Slovenia_EIA
10.4 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res
8.0 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
7.8 England_EIA
5.2 France_South_LBA
5.2 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA
5.0 Scotland_LBA
4.8 Netherlands_EIA_low_res
1.4 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5973% / 0.01597263 | ADC: 0.5x RC
21.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
21.0 England_MBA_lowEEF
19.8 England_LBA
17.6 Slovenia_EIA
13.6 Scotland_LBA
7.0 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7126% / 0.01712605 | ADC: 1x RC
32.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
31.8 Scotland_LBA
18.2 England_LBA
17.4 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8986% / 0.01898580 | ADC: 2x RC
59.2 Scotland_LBA
40.8 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.3995% / 0.01399548
22.4 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
13.2 Netherlands_LBA:I20062__BC_860__Cov_69.35%
11.6 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607__BC_675__Cov_7 .99%
9.8 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
5.6 Greece_Crete_LBA:KRO009__BC_1164__Cov_39.31%
5.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
5.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13787__BC_1008__Cov_68.48%
5.0 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
4.6 Estonia_BA.SG:s19_0LS11_1_noUDG.SG__BC_968__Cov_14 .30%
3.4 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
3.4 France_South_LBA:BOU17__BC_1115__Cov_9.93%
3.0 England_EIA_low_res:I14743_d__BC_644__Cov_5.63%
2.4 Netherlands_EIA_low_res:I12903__BC_650__Cov_6.55%
2.0 England_EIA_low_res:I12610__BC_636__Cov_5.91%
1.8 England_LBA_lowEEF:I5383__BC_995__Cov_24.36%
1.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
0.2 Netherlands_LBA:I11971__BC_1110__Cov_62.79%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4530% / 0.01452978 | ADC: 0.25x RC
15.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
14.6 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
12.2 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res:I17607__BC_675__Cov_7 .99%
10.2 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
10.2 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
9.2 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
6.4 Netherlands_LBA:I11971__BC_1110__Cov_62.79%
5.8 France_South_LBA:BOU17__BC_1115__Cov_9.93%
5.8 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
5.0 Netherlands_EIA_low_res:I12903__BC_650__Cov_6.55%
2.6 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
2.0 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
0.4 England_MBA_lowEEF:I7580__BC_1137__Cov_66.90%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5973% / 0.01597263 | ADC: 0.5x RC
21.0 England_MBA_lowEEF:I7580__BC_1137__Cov_66.90%
21.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
17.6 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
13.6 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
10.2 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
8.8 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
7.0 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
0.8 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7126% / 0.01712605 | ADC: 1x RC
32.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
31.8 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
18.2 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
17.4 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8986% / 0.01898580 | ADC: 2x RC
40.8 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
39.4 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
19.8 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%

[Athalafuns]

Since the Slavs cremated themselves, they should be sought among those practicing the skeletal rite, e.g. the Scythians.
As I understand it, after the large-scale battle of Tollense, and because of the impossibility of conquering the north, those pre-proto-Celts moved east assimilating the pre-IE fashion of Urnfield burials from the Pannonian Basin. However, we see that the northern factions, the Nordo-Slavids so to speak, also eventually adopted this custom which has even been documented in the Unetice period on a small scale. Do you have any thought on this?

[cass]

As I understand it, after the large-scale battle of Tollense, and because of the impossibility of conquering the north, those pre-proto-Celts moved east assimilating the pre-IE fashion of Urnfield burials from the Pannonian Basin. However, we see that the northern factions, the Nordo-Slavids so to speak, also eventually adopted this custom which has even been documented in the Unetice period on a small scale. Do you have any thought on this?


It seems that the Urnfield cultures circle is so extensive that it is difficult to clearly identify them genetically, and even more so ethnically.

[Pater Patota]

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.1828% / 0.01182753 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.6 Armenia_LBA_EIA_o
19.0 Turkey_IA
11.6 Armenia_LBA_EIA
10.8 Armenia_IA
8.8 Armenia_LBA
7.2 Armenia_LBA.SG

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.1828% / 0.01182753 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.6 Armenia_LBA_EIA_o:I18247__BC_1175__Cov_67.13%
19.0 Turkey_IA:I20577__BC_800__Cov_69.71%
11.6 Armenia_LBA_EIA:I16196__BC_1175__Cov_49.67%
10.8 Armenia_IA:I13947__BC_662__Cov_19.11%
8.8 Armenia_LBA:I19349__BC_1075__Cov_38.96%
7.2 Armenia_LBA.SG:RISE397_noUDG.SG__BC_958__Cov_20.86 %

[RyoHazuki]

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.6260% / 0.00626017 | R3P
58.2 England_EIA
25.2 Slovenia_EIA
16.6 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 1.9064% / 0.01906395 | R3P
65.0 England_LBA
20.0 England_EIA_low_res
15.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG


Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.4840% / 0.00484043 | R5P
34.0 England_EIA
32.6 England_LBA
17.6 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
10.8 France_GrandEst_LBA
5.0 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 1.7989% / 0.01798941 | R5P
54.0 England_LBA
17.6 England_EIA_low_res
11.8 Italy_IA_Republic.SG
10.2 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
6.4 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt_low_res

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.7037% / 0.00703698 | ADC: 0.5x RC
36.6 England_EIA
20.8 Slovenia_EIA
15.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
10.0 England_LBA
8.0 England_EIA_low_res
4.4 England_EIA_highEEF
2.8 England_LBA_highEEF
2.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 1.8051% / 0.01805120 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.6 England_LBA
18.4 England_EIA_low_res
10.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
10.2 Croatia_MLBA
7.2 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt.SG
6.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 0.7037% / 0.00703698 | ADC: 0.5x RC
20.8 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
16.2 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
11.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13792__BC_1050__Cov_71.90%
10.6 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
10.0 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
9.8 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
8.0 England_EIA_low_res:I16617__BC_641__Cov_7.16%
4.4 England_EIA_highEEF:I19867__BC_648__Cov_60.89%
4.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15955__BC_1109__Cov_55.43%
2.8 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
2.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 1.8051% / 0.01805120 | ADC: 0.5x RC
36.8 England_LBA:I13713__BC_962__Cov_71.36%
18.4 England_EIA_low_res:I16617__BC_641__Cov_7.16%
10.8 England_LBA:I12614__BC_950__Cov_11.87%
10.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
10.2 Croatia_MLBA:I18729__BC_1150__Cov_51.77%
7.2 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt.SG:DA111_noUDG.SG__BC_802__Co v_46.26%
6.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%

[Gannicus]

Pre iron age I get a bit lost with the time periods and sequences of the various cultures in northern and central Europe. I had the help of Chatgpt to help wrap my head around the progression of cultures.

It seems that Bell Beakers are more associated with Celts than the Corded Ware culture and its later developments

Summary of Cultural Sequence
Culture Time Period (Approx.) Key Contributions
Bell Beaker2800–1800 BCE Early metallurgy, long-distance trade, and burial innovations.
Unetice 2300–1600 BCE Advanced bronze-working, centralized societies, and elite burials.
Tumulus 1600–1200 BCE Middle Bronze Age bridge; tumuli burials and social stratification.
Urnfield 1300–750 BCE Late Bronze Age peak; cremation burials and expanded trade networks.

broadly speaking, Bell Beaker culture is more closely associated with the Celts, while Corded Ware culture and its later developments are more commonly linked to the Germanic cultures. However, these associations are nuanced and based on long-term cultural, linguistic, and genetic developments rather than direct continuity.

Here’s a breakdown of the connections:

1. Bell Beaker Culture and the Celts
Geographic Spread:

The Bell Beaker culture (~2800–1800 BCE) spread widely across Europe, including regions that would later become central to Celtic-speaking peoples, such as Western Europe, Iberia, France (Gaul), and the British Isles.
Linguistic and Cultural Links:

While the Bell Beaker culture itself predates the formation of Celtic languages, it is thought to have contributed to the early development of proto-Celtic cultures in Western Europe.
Later transitions: The Bell Beaker culture influenced the Urnfield culture (1300–750 BCE) and the Hallstatt culture (1200–500 BCE), the latter being widely recognized as proto-Celtic or early Celtic.
Genetic Evidence:

Bell Beaker-associated populations carried a significant proportion of steppe ancestry, introduced earlier by the Corded Ware culture, along with local European genetic contributions.
The genetic profile of Bell Beaker groups matches populations later associated with Celtic-speaking regions.
Archaeological Influence:

Bell Beaker burial practices, metalwork, and pottery styles influenced the development of Celtic art and cultural traditions in the Bronze and Iron Ages.
2. Corded Ware Culture and the Germanic Peoples
Geographic Spread:

The Corded Ware culture (~2900–2350 BCE) spread across Northern and Central Europe, encompassing regions that would later be central to Germanic cultures, such as Scandinavia, Germany, and Poland.
Linguistic and Cultural Links:

The Corded Ware culture is often associated with the Indo-European migrations into Europe and the early development of Proto-Indo-European dialects.
Its later derivatives, such as the Battle Axe culture in Scandinavia and the Single Grave culture in Northern Europe, are thought to have contributed to the emergence of Proto-Germanic cultures.
Genetic Evidence:

Corded Ware populations had a high proportion of steppe ancestry, consistent with their origins in early Indo-European migrations. This ancestry became foundational in Germanic-speaking regions.
Later cultures, such as the Nordic Bronze Age (~1700–500 BCE), which likely influenced Proto-Germanic societies, retained genetic and cultural ties to Corded Ware populations.
Archaeological Influence:

Corded Ware traditions, including their distinctive pottery and burial practices, were precursors to many of the cultural traits seen in Northern and Central European Bronze and Iron Age cultures associated with Germanic peoples.
3. Overlap and Interactions
Cultural Interactions:

Both Bell Beaker and Corded Ware cultures contributed to the spread of Indo-European languages in Europe, and their populations likely interacted in Central Europe.
The Tumulus culture (1600–1200 BCE) and Urnfield culture (1300–750 BCE), which bridge the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware traditions, show influences from both cultures and contributed to the development of later Celtic and Germanic identities.
Regional Variations:

In some areas, like Central Europe, Bell Beaker and Corded Ware cultures overlapped geographically and temporally, making it difficult to draw clear boundaries.
For example, the Unetice culture (~2300–1600 BCE) shows influences from both traditions and contributed to the cultural foundations of both Celtic and Germanic groups.

4. Summary: Associations with Later Groups
Culture Associated Region Later Cultural/Linguistic Groups
Bell Beaker Western and Central Europe Proto-Celtic → Celtic-speaking peoples (e.g., Gauls, Britons).
Corded Ware Northern and Central Europe Proto-Germanic → Germanic-speaking peoples (e.g., Norse, Saxons).

Conclusion
Bell Beaker culture is more closely associated with the Celts, as it spread through regions later identified with Celtic languages and influenced subsequent cultures (Urnfield and Hallstatt) directly tied to proto-Celtic and early Celtic peoples.
Corded Ware culture, with its steppe ancestry and Indo-European connections, is more associated with the Germanic cultures, especially through its later derivatives like the Battle Axe culture and Nordic Bronze Age in Northern Europe.
While these are broad associations, it’s important to note that these cultures were part of dynamic, interconnected processes that shaped the linguistic and cultural map of prehistoric Europe.

[unmoggable]

Target: unmoggable
Distance: 0.9663% / 0.00966345 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.4 England_LBA
14.8 England_EIA
14.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
10.4 Croatia_MLBA
7.0 Scotland_LBA
5.6 Slovenia_EIA
4.0 England_LBA_lowEEF
1.6 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt

0.02705069 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
0.02705299 Scotland_LBA:I2859__BC_860__Cov_69.03%
0.02715918 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15956__BC_1100__Cov_51.27%
0.02784187 England_LBA:I14379__BC_851__Cov_57.31%
0.02850917 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13796__BC_1050__Cov_69.71%
0.02863608 England_EIA:I13682__BC_662__Cov_63.26%
0.02901211 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
0.02975902 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.02990054 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
0.03025374 England_EIA:I17260__BC_600__Cov_57.29%
0.03036927 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%
0.03058386 England_LBA:I14377__BC_939__Cov_67.64%
0.03083498 Germany_LBA_Halberstadt:I0099__BC_1074__Cov_81.75%
0.03085746 England_MBA:I7575__BC_1157__Cov_68.43%
0.03111303 England_LBA:I7629__BC_1065__Cov_63.18%
0.03125947 England_EIA:I27382__BC_642__Cov_73.86%
0.03131806 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%
0.03143942 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
0.03154342 England_EIA:I13688__BC_639__Cov_58.09%
0.03187384 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA:FIR001__BC_1077__C ov_81.21%
0.03228521 England_LBA_highEEF:I14865__BC_873__Cov_20.93%
0.03310580 England_EIA:I16618__BC_654__Cov_36.01%
0.03314745 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13792__BC_1050__Cov_71.90%
0.03324603 England_LBA:I14862__BC_884__Cov_71.32%
0.03343735 Netherlands_MBA_LBA:I12083__BC_1150__Cov_67.29%

[Asega]

Pre iron age I get a bit lost with the time periods and sequences of the various cultures in northern and central Europe. I had the help of Chatgpt to help wrap my head around the progression of cultures.

It seems that Bell Beakers are more associated with Celts than the Corded Ware culture and its later developments

Summary of Cultural Sequence
Culture Time Period (Approx.) Key Contributions
Bell Beaker2800–1800 BCE Early metallurgy, long-distance trade, and burial innovations.
Unetice 2300–1600 BCE Advanced bronze-working, centralized societies, and elite burials.
Tumulus 1600–1200 BCE Middle Bronze Age bridge; tumuli burials and social stratification.
Urnfield 1300–750 BCE Late Bronze Age peak; cremation burials and expanded trade networks.

broadly speaking, Bell Beaker culture is more closely associated with the Celts, while Corded Ware culture and its later developments are more commonly linked to the Germanic cultures. However, these associations are nuanced and based on long-term cultural, linguistic, and genetic developments rather than direct continuity.

Here’s a breakdown of the connections:

1. Bell Beaker Culture and the Celts
Geographic Spread:

The Bell Beaker culture (~2800–1800 BCE) spread widely across Europe, including regions that would later become central to Celtic-speaking peoples, such as Western Europe, Iberia, France (Gaul), and the British Isles.
Linguistic and Cultural Links:

While the Bell Beaker culture itself predates the formation of Celtic languages, it is thought to have contributed to the early development of proto-Celtic cultures in Western Europe.
Later transitions: The Bell Beaker culture influenced the Urnfield culture (1300–750 BCE) and the Hallstatt culture (1200–500 BCE), the latter being widely recognized as proto-Celtic or early Celtic.
Genetic Evidence:

Bell Beaker-associated populations carried a significant proportion of steppe ancestry, introduced earlier by the Corded Ware culture, along with local European genetic contributions.
The genetic profile of Bell Beaker groups matches populations later associated with Celtic-speaking regions.
Archaeological Influence:

Bell Beaker burial practices, metalwork, and pottery styles influenced the development of Celtic art and cultural traditions in the Bronze and Iron Ages.
2. Corded Ware Culture and the Germanic Peoples
Geographic Spread:

The Corded Ware culture (~2900–2350 BCE) spread across Northern and Central Europe, encompassing regions that would later be central to Germanic cultures, such as Scandinavia, Germany, and Poland.
Linguistic and Cultural Links:

The Corded Ware culture is often associated with the Indo-European migrations into Europe and the early development of Proto-Indo-European dialects.
Its later derivatives, such as the Battle Axe culture in Scandinavia and the Single Grave culture in Northern Europe, are thought to have contributed to the emergence of Proto-Germanic cultures.
Genetic Evidence:

Corded Ware populations had a high proportion of steppe ancestry, consistent with their origins in early Indo-European migrations. This ancestry became foundational in Germanic-speaking regions.
Later cultures, such as the Nordic Bronze Age (~1700–500 BCE), which likely influenced Proto-Germanic societies, retained genetic and cultural ties to Corded Ware populations.
Archaeological Influence:

Corded Ware traditions, including their distinctive pottery and burial practices, were precursors to many of the cultural traits seen in Northern and Central European Bronze and Iron Age cultures associated with Germanic peoples.
3. Overlap and Interactions
Cultural Interactions:

Both Bell Beaker and Corded Ware cultures contributed to the spread of Indo-European languages in Europe, and their populations likely interacted in Central Europe.
The Tumulus culture (1600–1200 BCE) and Urnfield culture (1300–750 BCE), which bridge the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware traditions, show influences from both cultures and contributed to the development of later Celtic and Germanic identities.
Regional Variations:

In some areas, like Central Europe, Bell Beaker and Corded Ware cultures overlapped geographically and temporally, making it difficult to draw clear boundaries.
For example, the Unetice culture (~2300–1600 BCE) shows influences from both traditions and contributed to the cultural foundations of both Celtic and Germanic groups.

4. Summary: Associations with Later Groups
Culture Associated Region Later Cultural/Linguistic Groups
Bell Beaker Western and Central Europe Proto-Celtic → Celtic-speaking peoples (e.g., Gauls, Britons).
Corded Ware Northern and Central Europe Proto-Germanic → Germanic-speaking peoples (e.g., Norse, Saxons).

Conclusion
Bell Beaker culture is more closely associated with the Celts, as it spread through regions later identified with Celtic languages and influenced subsequent cultures (Urnfield and Hallstatt) directly tied to proto-Celtic and early Celtic peoples.
Corded Ware culture, with its steppe ancestry and Indo-European connections, is more associated with the Germanic cultures, especially through its later derivatives like the Battle Axe culture and Nordic Bronze Age in Northern Europe.
While these are broad associations, it’s important to note that these cultures were part of dynamic, interconnected processes that shaped the linguistic and cultural map of prehistoric Europe.

Bell Beaker is basically Corded Ware with a few innovations. Chat GPT is a subpar source of information.

[Gannicus]

Bell Beaker is basically Corded Ware with a few innovations. Chat GPT is a subpar source of information.

Yep, it goes corded ware then diverges into various cultures mentioned. Tbh Celts and Germanic peoples are pretty closely related due to shared interactions with earlier cultures like corded ware. I have encountered some interesting results comparing various Bell Beakers and Battle Axe Culture and Single Grave culture samples with samples that can be labeled as Celts and Germanic peoples.

Target: England_LIA:I11145
Distance: 0.0309% / 0.03090958 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.0 Germany_BellBeaker
34.0 France_BellBeaker
31.0 Netherlands_BellBeaker

Target: England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA:I13760
Distance: 0.0376% / 0.03755863 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.2 Sweden_BAC.SG
32.6 England_BellBeaker
12.2 Germany_BellBeaker

Target: Wales_MIA_LIA:I16475
Distance: 0.0316% / 0.03161279 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.5 Sweden_BAC.SG
24.5 England_BellBeaker

Target: Scotland_BlackIsle_IA.SG:KD001.SG
Distance: 0.0274% / 0.02743459 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.7 France_BellBeaker
39.3 Netherlands_BellBeaker
21.0 England_BellBeaker

Target: Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO024.A
Distance: 0.0358% / 0.03579844 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.6 Sweden_BAC.SG
29.1 Switzerland_BellBeaker
19.3 France_BellBeaker

Target: Czech_IA_Hallstatt:I16327
Distance: 0.0302% / 0.03023409 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.3 Sweden_BAC.SG
35.5 Switzerland_BellBeaker
15.2 Netherlands_BellBeaker

Target: Germany_Schleswig_Saxon_LMedieval:SWG012.A
Distance: 0.0345% / 0.03453988 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.1 Switzerland_BellBeaker
34.4 England_BellBeaker
28.5 Sweden_BAC.SG

Target: France_GrandEst_IA2:I19362
Distance: 0.0261% / 0.02607856 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.5 France_BellBeaker
23.9 Netherlands_BellBeaker
12.6 Switzerland_BellBeaker

Target: France_GrandEst_IA2:I19358
Distance: 0.0444% / 0.04441630 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.3 Switzerland_BellBeaker
24.2 Netherlands_BellBeaker
19.5 Sweden_BAC.SG

Target: Norway_IA.SG:VK523_noUDG.SG
Distance: 0.0303% / 0.03027925 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.2 Netherlands_BellBeaker
30.6 England_BellBeaker
17.2 France_BellBeaker

Target: Norway_IA.SG:VK418_noUDG.SG
Distance: 0.0452% / 0.04518383 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.5 Netherlands_BellBeaker
20.3 Switzerland_BellBeaker
19.2 England_BellBeaker

Target: Denmark_IA.SG:VK532_noUDG.SG
Distance: 0.0288% / 0.02882047 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.8 Sweden_BAC.SG
28.7 Netherlands_BellBeaker
28.5 England_BellBeaker

Target: Denmark_IA.SG:VK521_noUDG.SG
Distance: 0.0384% / 0.03840485 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.9 Netherlands_BellBeaker
33.1 France_BellBeaker

Target: Sweden_IA.SG:RISE174_noUDG.SG
Distance: 0.0391% / 0.03909654 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.0 France_BellBeaker
33.1 Netherlands_BellBeaker
22.9 Sweden_BAC.SG

Target: Netherlands_LIA:I17750
Distance: 0.0274% / 0.02737514 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.0 Sweden_BAC.SG
30.8 France_BellBeaker
19.2 England_BellBeaker

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0322% / 0.03220256 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.8 England_BellBeaker
34.8 Sweden_BAC.SG
26.4 Switzerland_BellBeaker

[Athalafuns]

This is how two Celtiberians look like in my test:

Target: Spain_IA_Celt:I3758
Distance: 1.7204% / 0.01720356 | ADC: 0.5x RC
32.4 England_LBA_highEEF:I14861__BC_860__Cov_60.13%
15.6 Spain_LBA:I20740__BC_1150__Cov_18.72%
12.4 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt.SG:DA111_noUDG.SG__BC_802__Co v_46.26%
11.4 Hungary_EIA:I25508__BC_859__Cov_73.21%
10.4 Spain_LBA:I8570__BC_1150__Cov_20.26%
9.4 Spain_Navarra_EIA:CRU013_ss.A0101__BC_600__Cov_52. 91%
8.4 Spain_Aritgues_LBA:EFA011__BC_1100__Cov_29.89%

Distance to: England_LBA_highEEF:I14861__BC_860__Cov_60.13%
0.03430614 BelgianA
0.03698043 BelgianC


Target: Spain_IA_Celt:I3759
Distance: 1.7382% / 0.01738194 | ADC: 0.5x RC
27.2 Spain_Menorca_LBA_new:I3315_enhanced__BC_859__Cov_ 69.09%
19.0 Spain_LBA:I2469_enhanced__BC_876__Cov_18.68%
17.4 Hungary_LBA:I25505__BC_961__Cov_39.03%
13.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15960__BC_1100__Cov_62.68%
10.4 Spain_Navarra_EIA:CRU024_ss.A0101__BC_664__Cov_36. 67%
5.6 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
5.2 England_EIA_highEEF:I19867__BC_648__Cov_60.89%
1.6 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt.SG:DA111_noUDG.SG__BC_802__Co v_46.26%

Distance to: Hungary_LBA:I25505__BC_961__Cov_39.03%
0.04157263 French_Alsace
0.04201349 German_Erlangen

Distance to: Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15960__BC_1100__Cov_62.68%
0.02780765 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02857312 French_Paris

Distance to: Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
0.02027361 French_Auvergne
0.02139052 BelgianC

Distance to: England_EIA_highEEF:I19867__BC_648__Cov_60.89%
0.03163765 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03448381 French_Brittany

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0103% / 0.01027756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
26.4 Slovenia_EIA
12.7 Serbia_LBA
9.7 Croatia_MLBA
9.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
8.4 Croatia_EIA
3.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt
2.9 Hungary_LBA



<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.02425438
Slovenia_EIA:I5691__BC_655__Cov_65.54%


0.02528115
Hungary_LBA:I25504__BC_925__Cov_76.45%


0.02715384
Croatia_MLBA:I18739__BC_1150__Cov_42.74%


0.02751251
Croatia_MLBA:I18727__BC_1150__Cov_39.21%


0.02808022
Slovenia_EIA:I5684__BC_672__Cov_85.74%


0.02882828
Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%


0.02886160
Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%


0.02890568
Croatia_EIA:I5729__BC_970__Cov_55.77%


0.02948807
Slovenia_LBA:I5697__BC_849__Cov_80.12%


0.02950802
Croatia_MLBA:I18732__BC_1150__Cov_52.93%


0.03014647
Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%


0.03047703
Croatia_EIA:I23995__BC_779__Cov_68.95%


0.03102079
Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%


0.03112231
Slovenia_EIA:I5692__BC_743__Cov_76.57%


0.03153880
Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13795__BC_1085__Cov_73.67%


0.03163940
Slovenia_EIA:I5685__BC_672__Cov_87.26%


0.03174816
Croatia_EIA:I24638__BC_708__Cov_67.73%


0.03179850
Croatia_MLBA:I18413__BC_1150__Cov_35.99%


0.03221884
Slovenia_EIA:I23971__BC_672__Cov_48.58%


0.03224215
Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13788__BC_1050__Cov_70.32%


0.03240682
Croatia_MLBA:I18416__BC_1150__Cov_62.14%


0.03264922
Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13798__BC_1100__Cov_69.68%


0.03286706
Slovenia_EIA:I5686__BC_672__Cov_75.24%


0.03297817
Croatia_EIA:I24882__BC_649__Cov_71.05%


0.03357137
Croatia_MLBA:I18724__BC_1150__Cov_55.55%



</tbody>

[Kenshiro]

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 1.4075% / 0.01407517 | ADC: 0.5x RC
28.8 Italy_BA_Grotta_Delle_Mura
28.0 Russia_Koban_EIA_o
17.4 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric
12.2 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat
9.8 Bulgaria_EIA
3.8 Turkey_IA_o4_noUDG

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.4217% / 0.01421731 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.0 Croatia_EIA
23.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
17.8 Spain_EIA_Tartessian
17.6 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
3.8 Tanzania_PN
0.2 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 1.8620% / 0.01862011 | ADC: 0.5x RC
27.2 Croatia_EIA
23.4 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
19.6 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
18.8 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
11.0 Spain_IA

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 1.5472% / 0.01547246 | ADC: 0.5x RC
28.4 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean_o.SG
25.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
22.6 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
10.0 Croatia_EIA
9.8 Spain_LBA
3.4 Slovenia_EIA
0.2 Spain_EIA_Tartessian

[Danjojo]

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 0.9105% / 0.00910473 | ADC: 0.5x RC
18.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA
13.8 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat
12.6 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
10.8 Hungary_EIA_o3
10.0 Croatia_MLBA
9.0 Slovenia_EIA
7.2 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA
6.0 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
5.0 Montenegro_IA
3.2 England_EIA
2.0 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt
2.0 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 0.4191% / 0.00419058 | R5P
26.2 England_EIA
23.0 Macedonia_IA
22.8 Estonia_BA.SG
16.2 Sweden_Megalithic_FirseSten_LBA
11.8 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 0.4559% / 0.00455904 | R4P
30.4 England_EIA
28.0 Estonia_BA.SG
21.0 England_MBA_lowEEF
20.6 Bulgaria_IA

Distance to: DanjojoG25sim
0.02956065 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.03206788 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_2_EIA:UKR111__ BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.03340764 Montenegro_IA:I13170_v54.1_addback__BC_600__Cov_66 .37%
0.03396349 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16088__BC_643__Cov_34.39%
0.03399647 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16326__BC_675__Cov_42.35%
0.03468207 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR04 3__BC_650__Cov_32.42%
0.03476286 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
0.03515469 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13792__BC_1050__Cov_71.90%
0.03601305 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug:I11719__BC_626__Cov_54.31%
0.03668668 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15957__BC_1100__Cov_60.66%
0.03671751 England_EIA:I19861__BC_647__Cov_58.85%

[R1b-L51]

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.03822241 Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%
0.03846649 Hungary_LBA:I25504__BC_925__Cov_76.45%
0.03949996 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
0.04027421 Slovenia_EIA:I23971__BC_672__Cov_48.58%
0.04152689 Slovenia_EIA:I5684__BC_672__Cov_85.74%
0.04300442 Slovenia_EIA:I5685__BC_672__Cov_87.26%
0.04337257 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan:PRZ002__BC_629__Cov_6 2.56%
0.04386304 Slovenia_EIA:I5691__BC_655__Cov_65.54%
0.04465942 Croatia_EIA:I23995__BC_779__Cov_68.95%
0.04517866 Slovenia_EIA:I5687__BC_672__Cov_90.09%
0.04576563 Croatia_MLBA:I18737__BC_1150__Cov_48.54%
0.04634673 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz_o3:I13786__BC_1100__Cov_71.90%
0.04647269 England_EIA_highEEF:I12774__BC_604__Cov_72.27%
0.04668429 Croatia_EIA:I5729__BC_970__Cov_55.77%
0.04674507 Spain_Navarra_EIA:ERE004_ss.A0101__BC_783__Cov_25. 41%
0.04752941 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA:I18717__BC_1150__Cov_44.08%
0.04773966 Croatia_MLBA:I18413__BC_1150__Cov_35.99%
0.04841246 Slovenia_EIA:I5692__BC_743__Cov_76.57%
0.04864395 Spain_Navarra_EIA:CRU013_ss.A0101__BC_600__Cov_52. 91%
0.04880335 Slovenia_EIA:I22935__BC_672__Cov_56.88%
0.04900822 Croatia_MLBA:I18415__BC_1150__Cov_62.78%
0.04968815 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan:CAM002__BC_639__Cov_6 5.71%
0.04985321 Croatia_MLBA:I18727__BC_1150__Cov_39.21%
0.04987848 Croatia_MLBA:I18739__BC_1150__Cov_42.74%
0.05039063 Slovenia_EIA:I5686__BC_672__Cov_75.24%


COMO NO TENGO NI PUÑETERA IDEA ME QUEDO IGUAL QUE ESTABA



Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 1.0001% / 0.01000126
22.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
15.4 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
13.2 Italy_Sardinia_LBA
9.2 Armenia_LBA
8.2 Spain_Navarra_EIA
7.4 Spain_LBA
5.2 England_EIA
5.2 Estonia_BA.SG
5.2 France_GrandEst_LBA
2.4 Pakistan_Loebanr_IA
2.2 France_GrandEst_IA
1.6 England_LBA
1.4 Japan_Nagabaka_2800BP
0.6 Cameroon_SMA
0.2 Vanuatu_2900BP


Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 1.9097% / 0.01909738 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.2 Croatia_EIA
23.2 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA
18.8 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
16.4 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1
13.4 Spain_Navarra_EIA
2.0 Spain_LBA


Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 1.9097% / 0.01909738 | ADC: 0.5x RC
23.2 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA:I18717__BC_1150__Cov_44.08%
18.8 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
17.4 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
16.4 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL011__BC_804__Cov_31.3 6%
10.8 Spain_Navarra_EIA:CRU013_ss.A0101__BC_600__Cov_52. 91%
8.8 Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%
2.6 Spain_Navarra_EIA:ERE004_ss.A0101__BC_783__Cov_25. 41%
2.0 Spain_LBA:I20740__BC_1150__Cov_18.72%

[Athalafuns]

COMO NO TENGO NI PUÑETERA IDEA ME QUEDO IGUAL QUE ESTABA
Traduzco tus porcentajes después de comprobar sus correlaciones y otros datos.

26.2% Itálico
23.2% Céltico*
18.8% Galo
16.4% Púnico
10.8% Celtíbero
4.6% Íbero

*De las tribus celtas del suroeste peninsular.

"Íbero" entiéndelo como vasco más bien, ya que no procedes de las regiones íberas propiamente dichas. "Celtíbero" puede ser exactamente la Celtiberia o bien otras tribus en las que la mezcla nativo+celta sea semejante. ¿Los cántabros, quizás, ya que hablamos del oeste? Ahí ya no llego.

El "céltico" que puse con asterisco es sin lugar a dudas celta de la mitad occidental española. Añadí lo de "sur" porque se notifica principalmente en Andalucía. Pero no parece ser lusitano.

En cuanto a lo púnico, no todo ese porcentaje significa norteafricano. Pero un 6% sí es enteramente bereber.

[R1b-L51]

Traduzco tus porcentajes después de comprobar sus correlaciones y otros datos.

26.2% Itálico
23.2% Céltico*
18.8% Galo
16.4% Púnico
10.8% Celtíbero
4.6% Íbero

*De las tribus celtas del suroeste peninsular.

"Íbero" entiéndelo como vasco más bien, ya que no procedes de las regiones íberas propiamente dichas. "Celtíbero" puede ser exactamente la Celtiberia o bien otras tribus en las que la mezcla nativo+celta sea semejante. ¿Los cántabros, quizás, ya que hablamos del oeste? Ahí ya no llego.

El "céltico" que puse con asterisco es sin lugar a dudas celta de la mitad oriental española. Añadí lo de "sur" porque se notifica principalmente en Andalucía. Pero no parece ser lusitano.

En cuanto a lo púnico, no todo ese porcentaje significa norteafricano. Pero un 6% sí es enteramente bereber.

Pues te lo agradezco mucho, conclusión que soy 50% celta 50 % mediterráneo. No deja de ser curioso que tenga tanto cáucaso y púnico, desde luego Roma hizo estragos. Se entiende que León se repobló de mozárabes iberoromanos, pero también se entiende que había romano en esta zona porque los astures ya habían sido romanizados, y de ahí que suba lo mediterráneo exótico pues se recibió de ambas bandas y además a los romanos les gustaba traer gentes de otras partes en sus legios, o al menos yo así lo entiendo.

[Beowulf]

Traduzco tus porcentajes después de comprobar sus correlaciones y otros datos.

26.2% Itálico
23.2% Céltico*
18.8% Galo
16.4% Púnico
10.8% Celtíbero
4.6% Íbero

*De las tribus celtas del suroeste peninsular.

"Íbero" entiéndelo como vasco más bien, ya que no procedes de las regiones íberas propiamente dichas. "Celtíbero" puede ser exactamente la Celtiberia o bien otras tribus en las que la mezcla nativo+celta sea semejante. ¿Los cántabros, quizás, ya que hablamos del oeste? Ahí ya no llego.

El "céltico" que puse con asterisco es sin lugar a dudas celta de la mitad occidental española. Añadí lo de "sur" porque se notifica principalmente en Andalucía. Pero no parece ser lusitano.

En cuanto a lo púnico, no todo ese porcentaje significa norteafricano. Pero un 6% sí es enteramente bereber.

Crees que podrias traducir el mio tambien? :)

A veces me confunde usar calculadoras que no estan categorizadas por nombres. :noidea:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0103% / 0.01027756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
26.4 Slovenia_EIA
12.7 Serbia_LBA
9.7 Croatia_MLBA
9.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
8.4 Croatia_EIA
3.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt
2.9 Hungary_LBA

[Athalafuns]

Crees que podrias traducir el mio tambien? :)

A veces me confunde usar calculadoras que no estan categorizadas por nombres. :noidea:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0103% / 0.01027756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
26.4 Slovenia_EIA
12.7 Serbia_LBA
9.7 Croatia_MLBA
9.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG
8.4 Croatia_EIA
3.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt
2.9 Hungary_LBA
¡Claro! Pónmelo en AGGREGATE - NO para que pueda ver exactamente qué samples te han salido.

[Beowulf]

¡Claro! Pónmelo en AGGREGATE - NO para que pueda ver exactamente qué samples te han salido.

¡Gracias! :o



Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0103% / 0.01027756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.4 Slovenia_EIA:I5684__BC_672__Cov_85.74%
15.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I16182__BC_1100__Cov_50.45%
12.7 Serbia_LBA:I16814__BC_953__Cov_63.38%
11.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%
9.7 Croatia_MLBA:I18739__BC_1150__Cov_42.74%
9.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
8.4 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
3.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
2.9 Hungary_LBA:I25504__BC_925__Cov_76.45%

[Athalafuns]

¡Gracias! :o



Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0103% / 0.01027756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
26.4 Slovenia_EIA:I5684__BC_672__Cov_85.74%
15.4 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I16182__BC_1100__Cov_50.45%
12.7 Serbia_LBA:I16814__BC_953__Cov_63.38%
11.2 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%
9.7 Croatia_MLBA:I18739__BC_1150__Cov_42.74%
9.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
8.4 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
3.7 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
2.9 Hungary_LBA:I25504__BC_925__Cov_76.45%
Interesantísimo, te sale 50.4% itálico y 49.6% celta, o sea mitad y mitad para redondear. No veo nada de íbero ni de celtíbero. Tu ascendencia española sólo te ha legado genes italo-celtas, y por supuesto el lado celta se te incrementa por tu sangre inglesa y francesa. No me extraña que G25 te coloque con los auverneses.

Por lo general he observado que todos los españoles (salvo los vascos) puntuamos muy alto en genética itálica y bastante menos en genética ibérica. En tu caso esto último ni siquiera existe, ya que, por probabilidades, era mucho más posible que heredases genes itálicos que ibéricos (tipo vasco). Creo recordar que en alguna calculadora Edad del Bronce Tardía no te salía nada de "Spanish", lo cual parece que tiene sentido, viendo tus resultados aquí. El 100% de tus genes aún estaba fuera de la península en esas fechas.

Por curiosidad, si te comparas con los promedios modernos G25, ¿a qué distancia te salen los primeros promedios vascos? ¿Y entre qué otras poblaciones?

[Beowulf]

Interesantísimo, te sale 50.4% itálico y 49.6% celta, o sea mitad y mitad para redondear. No veo nada de íbero ni de celtíbero. Tu ascendencia española sólo te ha legado genes italo-celtas, y por supuesto el lado celta se te incrementa por tu sangre inglesa y francesa. No me extraña que G25 te coloque con los auverneses.

Por lo general he observado que todos los españoles (salvo los vascos) puntuamos muy alto en genética itálica y bastante menos en genética ibérica. En tu caso esto último ni siquiera existe, ya que, por probabilidades, era mucho más posible que heredases genes itálicos que ibéricos (tipo vasco). Creo recordar que en alguna calculadora Edad del Bronce Tardía no te salía nada de "Spanish", lo cual parece que tiene sentido, viendo tus resultados aquí. El 100% de tus genes aún estaba fuera de la península en esas fechas.

Por curiosidad, si te comparas con los promedios modernos G25, ¿a qué distancia te salen los primeros promedios vascos? ¿Y entre qué otras poblaciones?


Muchisimas Gracias!! Me gustan mucho tus interpretaciones y explicaciones! La verdad es que pocas veces me suele llegar a dar Ibero o algo de pre indo europeo local de la peninsula iberica, y si que es verdad que el Italico sale un tanto incrementado! No se si te seria mucha molestia pero me gustaria muchisimo saber la interpretacion que le darias a mi Padre el cual es muchisimo mas iberico que yo lol!

Aqui estan las distancias, por cierto solo he usado muestras Españolas, Vascas y Francesas aqui, para que sea mas facil y menos numeroso:


<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.01507079
French_Provence


0.01753562
Spanish_Mallorca


0.01788330
French_Auvergne


0.01842394
Spanish_Girona


0.01891194
Spanish_Penedes


0.02031847
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona


0.02117303
French_Occitanie


0.02135378
Spanish_Catalunya_Central


0.02193737
Spanish_Baleares


0.02242673
Spanish_Barcelones


0.02307105
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona


0.02343685
Spanish_Lleida


0.02359784
Spanish_Eivissa


0.02551867
Spanish_Cataluna


0.02566175
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre


0.02582668
Spanish_Castello


0.02648142
Spanish_Pirineu


0.02702246
Spanish_Alacant


0.02709334
Spanish_Valencia


0.02725658
Spanish_Cantabria


0.02798532
French_Paris


0.02899300
Spanish_Menorca


0.02911618
French_Alsace


0.02922497
Spanish_Aragon


0.02927249
Spanish_Galicia


0.03013200
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


0.03041336
French_Nord


0.03171868
Spanish_La_Rioja


0.03173893
Spanish_Burgos


0.03198754
Spanish_Murcia


0.03252685
Spanish_Biscay


0.03252716
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


0.03260889
Spanish_Aragon_North


0.03274886
Spanish_Extremadura


0.03294641
Spanish_Andalucia


0.03417109
French_South


0.03422303
French_Bigorre


0.03422925
French_Pas-de-Calais


0.03481301
Spanish_Soria


0.03559904
Spanish_Navarra


0.03674948
French_Chalosse


0.03745202
French_Bearn


0.04091615
Basque_Araba


0.04112290
Basque_Navarre_Center


0.04189232
French_Seine-Maritime


0.04315313
Spanish_Asturias


0.04328882
Spanish_Pais_Vasco


0.04428190
Basque_Roncal


0.04491001
Basque_Gipuzkoa


0.04579234
Basque_Spanish


0.04605644
Basque_Biscay


0.04629414
Basque_French


0.04649889
Basque_Lower_Navarre


0.04654853
Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest


0.04680226
French_Corsica


0.04715287
French_Brittany


0.04866262
Basque_Soule


0.04879684
Basque_Navarre_North


0.05001916
Basque_Baztan


0.05766287
Spanish_Canarias



</tbody>

[Athalafuns]

me gustaria muchisimo saber la interpretacion que le darias a mi Padre el cual es muchisimo mas iberico que yo lol!
Por supuesto :thumb001:

[Beowulf]

Por supuesto :thumb001:


¡Bien Gracias! :D

Target: Francisco_Scaled
Distance: 0.0070% / 0.00704884 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.0 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
18.7 England_EIA:C10462__BC_750__Cov_31.38%
11.8 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL011__BC_804__Cov_31.3 6%
6.6 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
4.6 Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%
3.4 Slovenia_EIA:I23971__BC_672__Cov_48.58%
1.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
1.3 Tanzania_PN:I13981__BC_616__Cov_27.92%

[Athalafuns]

¡Bien Gracias! :D

Target: Francisco_Scaled
Distance: 0.0070% / 0.00704884 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.0 Croatia_EIA:I23911__BC_815__Cov_69.77%
18.7 England_EIA:C10462__BC_750__Cov_31.38%
11.8 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL011__BC_804__Cov_31.3 6%
6.6 England_EIA:I12783__BC_649__Cov_61.15%
4.6 Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%
3.4 Slovenia_EIA:I23971__BC_672__Cov_48.58%
1.6 France_GrandEst_IA1.SG:NOR3-15.SG__BC_750__Cov_11.07%
1.3 Tanzania_PN:I13981__BC_616__Cov_27.92%
Redondeando, le sale 60% itálico + 27% celta + 13% cartaginés. Mi abuela también tiene el componente itálico así de elevado.

[Beowulf]

Redondeando, le sale 60% itálico + 27% celta + 13% cartaginés. Mi abuela también tiene el componente itálico así de elevado.

Wow... entonces nada de ibero por lo que veo en su caso tampoco...