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Gannicus
01-07-2025, 05:21 PM
I made this list to see how much Natufian I would have. Because a few months ago I learned that the neolithic Anatolians had varying degrees of Natufian admix. Some of the late neolithic anatolians from Barcin I've heard can have natufian admixtures of 20% to maybe 30%. I made this list for northwest, northeast, and central Europeans because generally populations from there when ran with traditional Steppe/ANF admixuture lists hardly ever score Natufian, leading one to believe that he/she may not have any Natufian. I think it will work for anyone though from west Eurasia though.

Here are some studies that address it:
1. Lazaridis et al. (2016): "Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East"
2. Feldman et al. (2019): "Late Pleistocene human genome suggests a local origin for the first farmers of central Anatolia"
3. Skoglund et al. (2017): "Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe"
4. Broushaki et al. (2016): "Early Neolithic genomes from the eastern Fertile Crescent"

Studies like Lazaridis et al. (2016) and Feldman et al. (2019) indicate that Late Neolithic Anatolians had a greater proportion of Levantine/Natufian ancestry compared to their Early Neolithic predecessors.
While Early Neolithic Anatolians typically show ~8–10% Natufian-related ancestry, Late Neolithic Anatolians exhibit levels closer to 15–20% in some cases.
These figures are approximate and depend on specific populations studied and the reference datasets used.

Here's what I score with a traditional Steppe/ANF/WHG admixture list: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/2/g25-calculatrice-standard-global25-par-davidski.htm#google_vignette

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0479% / 0.04787146
45.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 WHG


Here's my list:

Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG,0.1161,0.177718,0.013576 ,-0.098838,0.051702,-0.049364,-0.00517,-0.008538,0.046631,0.108977,0.013316,0.019483,-0.032259,-0.002477,-0.087132,-0.011138,0.075492,-0.001014,0.023757,-0.020385,-0.025206,0.008532,-0.005176,-0.011568,-0.022992

Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0

Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439,0.127482,0.09546,0 .037712,0.113374,-0.018157,0.033467,0.0047,-0.005077,-0.053176,-0.057587,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.006541,-0.025598,0.038952,0.01432,-0.001434,-0.007095,-0.001257,0.018259,-0.001872,0.006801,0.016269,0.025546,-0.009819

England_Mesolithic:I6767,0.125205,0.109677,0.20402 2,0.196708,0.159414,0.055499,0.016921,0.036922,0.0 90604,0.018041,-0.01835,-0.010641,0.014271,0.000275,0.06406,0.06351,-0.000261,0.009882,-0.007039,0.066657,0.118541,0.017559,-0.054968,-0.177615,0.021196

Georgia_Kotias.SG,0.08992,0.103584,-0.088246,-0.004845,-0.089555,0.020359,0.023266,-0.001154,-0.130486,-0.080002,-0.007632,0.024878,-0.052626,0.007707,0.026465,-0.0297,0.027772,-0.010769,-0.023757,0.037518,0.030945,-0.006677,0.0053,-0.020846,0.001557


My results:

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0563% / 0.05627794
53.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
26.2 Turkey_N.SG
12.0 England_Mesolithic
8.8 Israel_Natufian_d

I find these results fascinating because with the traditional list I score 41% Turkey Barcin. The late neolithic Barcin Anatolians sometimes have 20% Natufian admixture. 20% of 41% is 8.2% which is close to my score 8.8% Natufian with my list.

Also, you all can pick a different WHG like the one from Villa Bruna or a different steppe individual. The important thing is to use the Natufian and Bar8 sample.

ScandinavianCelt
01-07-2025, 05:56 PM
Check out the Ancient Eurasia K6 (Gedrosia) calc on Gedmatch and run it to see the PAINTING to see your Natufian.

These are my % by chromosome of Natufian:

Natufian by chromosome (chr 11 is highest for me):
27.9%
30.3%
27.3%
36.5%
32.3%
30.1%
33.8%
39.2%
33.0%
40.4%
51.6%
36.1%
26.4%
34.5%
35.4%
24.7%
39.5%
29.8%
33.8%
32.6%
37.7%
40.4%


With your calc:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 4.4981% / 0.04498050
58.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
23.0 Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG
11.2 England_Mesolithic:I6767
7.2 Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d

cass
01-07-2025, 06:16 PM
https://i.ibb.co/bzbdNxG/Zrzut-ekranu-7-1-2025-201421-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/FgH789d)

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to simulate through Iberomaurusian. This is what generally distinguishes them from Barcin.

Fistora
01-07-2025, 06:21 PM
Target: Oskar_scaled
Distance: 6.0948% / 0.06094845
54.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
29.4 Turkey_N.SG
13.8 England_Mesolithic
2.8 Israel_Natufian_d

Gannicus
01-07-2025, 06:41 PM
https://i.ibb.co/bzbdNxG/Zrzut-ekranu-7-1-2025-201421-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/FgH789d)

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to simulate through Iberomaurusian. This is what generally distinguishes them from Barcin.

When you go to time periods before the neolithic it gets pretty murky. Iberomarusians as I understand it can be modeled as 66%Natufian or Natufian like and 33% SSA or Ancestral North African? Hard to model at the moment because there are no official remains or ancient DNA that can be classified as Basal Eurasian too.

vader
01-07-2025, 06:55 PM
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 4.6120% / 0.04611986
37.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
34.2 Turkey_N.SG
18.2 Israel_Natufian_d
10.0 England_Mesolithic

Gannicus
01-07-2025, 07:04 PM
Ancestral north africans are a theoretical population but I have found G25 coordinates that are just simulations by reverse engineering pre existing archaic G25 coords.

Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Ancestral.North.African:1,-0.493537,-0.003656,-0.078366,-0.088502,-0.015511,-0.07028,-0.135319,0.034983,0.263345,-0.072639,0.035823,-0.072805,0.170841,-0.093308,0.184471,-0.068894,-0.033665,-0.129425,-0.292878,0.079238,-0.061516,-0.254403,0.149475,-0.018244,0.038534
Ancestral.North.African:2,-0.385,0.055,-0.12,-0.255,-0.035,-0.13,-0.145,0.02,0.22,0.003499,0.045,-0.0625,0.155,-0.085,0.135,-0.08,0,-0.105,-0.275,0.0389938,-0.085,-0.205,0.185,0.055,0.0215
UP_SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528,-0.575945,0.050776,0.001886,0.025517,-0.012925,-0.001116,0.190594,-0.134533,0.04929,-0.014943,-0.00065,-0.026227,-0.022894,0.005643,0.00285,-0.019225,0.026338,0.116934,-0.027151,-0.010755,-0.015972,-0.003586,0.004437,-0.007471,0.002515

2. Skoglund et al. (2017): "Reconstructing prehistoric African population structure"
Key Findings:

Iberomaurusians had genetic affinities to both Levantine populations (Natufians) and ancient Sub-Saharan Africans, but a large proportion of their ancestry was from a population that could not be directly modeled using available datasets.
This unidentified North African component aligns with the concept of ANA as a distinct population.
Speculation on ANA:

Fit number is bad. Perhaps there is something to this ANA population:

Target: Morocco_Iberomaurusian
Distance: 0.2547% / 0.25468444
69.0 Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d
31.0 SSA:Yoruba



The authors suggested that a North African-specific population existed long before the Iberomaurusians and contributed to their genetic profile.

Target: Morocco_Iberomaurusian
Distance: 0.0838% / 0.08379376
55.6 Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d
40.4 Ancestral.North.African:1
4.0 UP_SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528

1. Fregel et al. (2018): "Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb"

This study modeled Iberomarusians as 65-70% Natufian-like and 30-35% SSA

2. Lazaridis et al. (2018): "Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East"

This study modeled Iberomarusians as 66% Natufian related ancestry and 33% SSA

Feiichy
01-07-2025, 07:07 PM
Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 0.0543% / 0.05434273

50.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
34.9 Turkey_N.SG
11.2 England_Mesolithic
3.0 Israel_Natufian_d
0.5 Georgia_Kotias.SG

Gannicus
01-07-2025, 07:18 PM
Check out the Ancient Eurasia K6 (Gedrosia) calc on Gedmatch and run it to see the PAINTING to see your Natufian.

These are my % by chromosome of Natufian:

Natufian by chromosome (chr 11 is highest for me):
27.9%
30.3%
27.3%
36.5%
32.3%
30.1%
33.8%
39.2%
33.0%
40.4%
51.6%
36.1%
26.4%
34.5%
35.4%
24.7%
39.5%
29.8%
33.8%
32.6%
37.7%
40.4%


With your calc:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 4.4981% / 0.04498050
58.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
23.0 Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG
11.2 England_Mesolithic:I6767
7.2 Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d

On Gedmatch I've looked at Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia k6



Population
Ancestral_North_Eurasian 16.95 Pct
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.08 Pct
East_Asian -
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 46.15 Pct
Natufian 34.35 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.47 Pct

It's only looking at 20,641 SNPs though

Mopi The Dire Wolf
01-07-2025, 07:23 PM
Target: Mopi straight out of the peachy playbook_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 4.5320% / 0.04531982
47.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
34.2 Turkey_N.SG
10.0 Israel_Natufian_d
8.8 England_Mesolithic

Distance to: Mopi straight out of the peachy playbook_simulated_g25_scaled
0.16977773 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
0.21378092 Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG
0.26276780 Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d
0.27545769 Georgia_Kotias.SG
0.38719142 England_Mesolithic:I6767

ScandinavianCelt
01-07-2025, 07:35 PM
On Gedmatch I've looked at Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia k6



Population
Ancestral_North_Eurasian 16.95 Pct
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.08 Pct
East_Asian -
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 46.15 Pct
Natufian 34.35 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.47 Pct

It's only looking at 20,641 SNPs though

That's because it's so ancient it's not going to pick up more than that

ScandinavianCelt
01-07-2025, 07:41 PM
make one with these

Ancestral_S_Eurasian
East_Asian
Iran_Neolithic
Natufian
WHG
Sub_Saharan

I get this:

Components %
Ancestral_S_Eurasian 1.69
East_Asian 0.23
Iran_Neolithic 21.57
Natufian 32.37
WHG 43.91
Sub_Saharan 0.23

I used DNAGenics desktop app-- calc is pre-loaded there. It's called GedrosiaDNA Iran Neolithic K6

I get 35.1% Natufian with that other calc on Gedmatch you posted results for here.

Gannicus
01-07-2025, 10:38 PM
China_AmurRiver_N,0.0221955,-0.4529261,0.0799967,-0.0509936,-0.0518172,-0.048806,0.0096061,0.0111054,0.0065192,0.0164468,-0.0430328,0.0003559,-0.002267,0.0129022,-0.0031725,-0.0077732,-0.0030805,0.0043706,0.0146122,0.0178052,0.0009981,-0.0265855,-0.0251271,-0.0016266,-0.016196
Brazil_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.0466675,-0.2993272,0.1169075,0.1010185,-0.110559,-0.0197315,-0.2754912,-0.33264,-0.008539,-0.0202735,0.004831,0.001049,0.0015608,0.0182695,-0.0069898,0.0049392,0.005998,-0.0013302,0.004085,0.0041892,-0.0009045,0.008656,0.0010478,-0.0032232,-0.0020058
Iran_GanjDareh_N,0.0430252,0.0674312,-0.153488,0.0055556,-0.1239616,0.0243752,0.015464,0.000277,-0.081605,-0.05427,-0.0032476,-0.0016186,0.0053816,-0.0078446,0.0319486,0.056775,-0.0058154,0.007576,0.014405,-0.0327406,0.0076614,-0.0300476,-0.0109198,-0.0387768,0.0229438
Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998
UP_SSA:Malawi_Hora_LSA_15500BP:I19528,-0.575945,0.050776,0.001886,0.025517,-0.012925,-0.001116,0.190594,-0.134533,0.04929,-0.014943,-0.00065,-0.026227,-0.022894,0.005643,0.00285,-0.019225,0.026338,0.116934,-0.027151,-0.010755,-0.015972,-0.003586,0.004437,-0.007471,0.002515
AASI:Indian_Hunter_Gatherer:Indian_Hunter_Gatherer :IHG_North_Gonur2-SimIHG_North_Gonur2-Sim,0.01469145,-0.28169161,-0.28474983,0.267541105,-0.0739601,0.11730675,-0.00578555,0.025174255,0.197366475,0.147477385,-0.015784495,0.020305475,-0.01343384,0.029863875,-0.040955225,-0.07134423,0.01711305,-0.01263137,-0.00682243,0.023356785,-0.0030176,0.015205075,0.002044945,0.03104139,-0.03796555
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801

Add these to my existing list and run it
The England Mesolithic sample I have in my list is the Cheddar man he's a WHG.


Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0571% / 0.05705645
53.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
25.8 Turkey_N.SG:Bar8_noUDG.SG
12.5 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG
8.7 Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d

RyoHazuki
01-08-2025, 03:21 PM
Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 5.4898% / 0.05489806
50.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
28.0 Turkey_N.SG
13.6 England_Mesolithic
7.8 Israel_Natufian_d

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 7.1735% / 0.07173543
54.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
21.8 Turkey_N.SG
12.4 Israel_Natufian_d
11.8 England_Mesolithic

Higher natufian on my real coords.

EasternLusitanian
01-08-2025, 07:26 PM
With all the samples added:

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0482% / 0.04817687
37.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
32.2 Turkey_N.SG
21.5 Israel_Natufian_d
8.1 England_Mesolithic
0.7 Georgia_Kotias.SG
0.1 Iran_GanjDareh_N

Gallop
01-08-2025, 09:26 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 5.2460% / 0.05245972
34.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
33.2 Turkey_N.SG
16.4 Israel_Natufian_d
13.0 England_Mesolithic
3.0 Georgia_Kotias.SG

Pedro Ruben
01-09-2025, 12:08 PM
Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 5.6425% / 0.05642527
40.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
27.0 Turkey_N.SG
24.2 Israel_Natufian_d
8.2 England_Mesolithic

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 6.1526% / 0.06152598
37.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
27.8 Turkey_N.SG
25.0 Israel_Natufian_d
9.8 England_Mesolithic

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 5.5384% / 0.05538390
39.8 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
31.8 Turkey_N.SG
18.4 Israel_Natufian_d
10.0 England_Mesolithic

Beowulf
01-09-2025, 12:17 PM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 4.6695% / 0.04669475
44.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
36.0 Turkey_N.SG
10.8 Israel_Natufian_d
9.2 England_Mesolithic

Grace O'Malley
01-09-2025, 12:22 PM
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5298% / 0.05529839
57.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
22.0 Turkey_N.SG
13.8 England_Mesolithic
6.6 Israel_Natufian_d