What's the best(most accurate) Farmer vs Hunter vs Steppe calculator?

[Dr.Fiskero]

Hi everyone, as the title suggests, I wanted to ask which G25 calculator or even a general calculator is best for understanding how much of these three components are present in each of us. I've tried several G25 sources, with some giving me 30% Steppe, others 12%, others 20%, and so on. Of course, the same goes for the Hunter-Gatherer component. In all of them, I could clearly see the predominance of my Farmer component.

Can you tell me which G25 calculator or even something like Gedmatch is the most reliable for this purpose?

I'm new here, and I didn’t find much using the search bar.

Could you help me out? Thanks!

[ScandinavianCelt]

I think the standard go-to model is still considered the average Samara yamnaya plus Turkey Barcin plus France Rochedane hunter-gatherer.

I think you can tweak the calculators depending on your background potentially but that's the most standard what do you get with those three?

[Dr.Fiskero]

I think the standard go-to model is still considered the average Samara yamnaya plus Turkey Barcin plus France Rochedane hunter-gatherer.

I think you can tweak the calculators depending on your background potentially but that's the most standard what do you get with those three?

Thanks for the response :)

Using this as source:


WHG:France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0 .170836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.03530 6,0.083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG,0.112685,0.182795,0.0 10936,-0.10013,0.055087,-0.046854,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.046836,0.081642,0.008607,0.010191,-0.015758,0.006193,-0.040173,-0.020021,0.00352,0.000507,0.011816,-0.014132,-0.008735,0.006306,-0.010969,-0.00494,-0.00467
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892539,0.04 29079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1.00E-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237


i get:

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled_GF
Distance: 4.2126% / 0.04212555
67.0 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
33.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 2.7182% / 0.02718201
76.4 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
22.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
1.2 WHG


Could this be accurate? I’m half Sardinian and half Southern Italian, and my girlfriend is Sicilian.

Thanks again.

[Gannicus]

Might want to add CHG and/orIran_N specifically Ganj Dareh for Iran Neolithic

[ScandinavianCelt]

Might want to add CHG and/orIran_N specifically Ganj Dareh for Iran Neolithic

The Yamnaya are EHG+CHG so it just overlaps

[ScandinavianCelt]

Thanks for the response :)

Using this as source:


WHG:France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0 .170836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.03530 6,0.083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG,0.112685,0.182795,0.0 10936,-0.10013,0.055087,-0.046854,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.046836,0.081642,0.008607,0.010191,-0.015758,0.006193,-0.040173,-0.020021,0.00352,0.000507,0.011816,-0.014132,-0.008735,0.006306,-0.010969,-0.00494,-0.00467
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892539,0.04 29079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1.00E-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237


i get:

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled_GF
Distance: 4.2126% / 0.04212555
67.0 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
33.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 2.7182% / 0.02718201
76.4 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
22.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
1.2 WHG


Could this be accurate? I’m half Sardinian and half Southern Italian, and my girlfriend is Sicilian.

Thanks again.

If you think you have more Western farmer genetics you should try the Gibraltar_EN and the Starcevo from Serbia in place of the turkey

[Dr.Fiskero]

If you think you have more Western farmer genetics you should try the Gibraltar_EN and the Starcevo from Serbia in place of the turkey

With Sarcevo and Gibraltar


Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled_GF
Distance: 4.8326% / 0.04832593
66.0 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
34.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 3.5861% / 0.03586059
74.6 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
24.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
1.2 Gibraltar_EN


What do you think is more accurate?

Would it be accurate to say that I have 20% Steppe ancestry?

To be honest, 20% seems a bit high, considering that Sardinians have around 5% on average, while Southern Italians have about 20%.

[ScandinavianCelt]

With Sarcevo and Gibraltar


Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled_GF
Distance: 4.8326% / 0.04832593
66.0 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
34.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 3.5861% / 0.03586059
74.6 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
24.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
1.2 Gibraltar_EN


What do you think is more accurate?

Would it be accurate to say that I have 20% Steppe ancestry?

To be honest, 20% seems a bit high, considering that Sardinians have around 5% on average, while Southern Italians have about 20%.


Try what you have above and add these:

Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1:Ostuni1_d,0.054635,0.031481 ,0.033941,0.081396,0.061858,-0.000837,0.00188,-0.002769,0.064016,0.019864,-0.009094,-0.016635,0.008028,0.002202,0.009772,0.021745,0.009 518,0.001647,-0.021243,0.023136,0.036685,-0.000247,-0.017871,-0.064708,0.002515
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801

Since you are southern, try also Natufian and even Ethiopian_4500BP

Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515

[Dr.Fiskero]

Try what you have above and add these:

Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1:Ostuni1_d,0.054635,0.031481 ,0.033941,0.081396,0.061858,-0.000837,0.00188,-0.002769,0.064016,0.019864,-0.009094,-0.016635,0.008028,0.002202,0.009772,0.021745,0.009 518,0.001647,-0.021243,0.023136,0.036685,-0.000247,-0.017871,-0.064708,0.002515
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801

Since you are southern, try also Natufian and even Ethiopian_4500BP

Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515


Source:

WHG:France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0 .170836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.03530 6,0.083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG,0.120652,0.1868 57,0.010559,-0.098515,0.05878,-0.042112,-0.005875,-0.002538,0.042132,0.091118,0.006008,0.016186,-0.029435,0.010872,-0.035287,-0.020419,0.00352,0.001267,0.008925,-0.019634,-0.016596,0.000247,-0.009737,-0.001566,-0.005628
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892539,0.04 29079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1.00E-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237
Gibraltar_EN,0.130897,0.164516,0.040352,-0.060724,0.0834,-0.033188,-0.018331,0.007384,0.069947,0.096767,0.000162,0.022 48,-0.032408,-0.00523,-0.017372,-0.0118,-0.002999,0.012922,0.008422,-0.010755,0.002995,0.000124,-0.016022,-0.011809,0.001796
Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1:Ostuni1_d,0.054635,0.031481 ,0.033941,0.081396,0.061858,-0.000837,0.00188,-0.002769,0.064016,0.019864,-0.009094,-0.016635,0.008028,0.002202,0.009772,0.021745,0.009 518,0.001647,-0.021243,0.023136,0.036685,-0.000247,-0.017871,-0.064708,0.002515
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515

Results:
Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled_GF
Distance: 3.3459% / 0.03345948
54.4 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
31.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
12.8 Israel_Natufian
1.2 Ethiopia_4500BP

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 2.2277% / 0.02227718
65.0 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
20.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
11.0 Israel_Natufian
1.8 Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1
1.6 WHG

[ScandinavianCelt]

Source:

WHG:France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0 .170836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.03530 6,0.083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG,0.120652,0.1868 57,0.010559,-0.098515,0.05878,-0.042112,-0.005875,-0.002538,0.042132,0.091118,0.006008,0.016186,-0.029435,0.010872,-0.035287,-0.020419,0.00352,0.001267,0.008925,-0.019634,-0.016596,0.000247,-0.009737,-0.001566,-0.005628
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892539,0.04 29079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1.00E-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237
Gibraltar_EN,0.130897,0.164516,0.040352,-0.060724,0.0834,-0.033188,-0.018331,0.007384,0.069947,0.096767,0.000162,0.022 48,-0.032408,-0.00523,-0.017372,-0.0118,-0.002999,0.012922,0.008422,-0.010755,0.002995,0.000124,-0.016022,-0.011809,0.001796
Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1:Ostuni1_d,0.054635,0.031481 ,0.033941,0.081396,0.061858,-0.000837,0.00188,-0.002769,0.064016,0.019864,-0.009094,-0.016635,0.008028,0.002202,0.009772,0.021745,0.009 518,0.001647,-0.021243,0.023136,0.036685,-0.000247,-0.017871,-0.064708,0.002515
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515

Results:
Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled_GF
Distance: 3.3459% / 0.03345948
54.4 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
31.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
12.8 Israel_Natufian
1.2 Ethiopia_4500BP

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 2.2277% / 0.02227718
65.0 Serbia_GradStarcevo_Starcevo_EN.SG
20.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
11.0 Israel_Natufian
1.8 Italy_South_HG_Ostuni1
1.6 WHG

Looks good now

[ScandinavianCelt]

Have you traced all the ancient Sardinian roots I imagine there are several branches of people but I only know a little bit about it I was wondering if you know some general major inroads maybe like for example from Libya or Algeria or Tunisia or Egypt or somewhere in the middle east or was it coming over from the Balkans across North Italy and down into Sardinia I've seen a lot of different routes including my mother's bloodline go across Europe and down through Morocco over to Libya and Libyan Jews the women 50% of them have my mother's same haplogroup it's called h1e so you might have quite a bit of ancient Northern genetics you don't know about I don't know I'm not sure but I'll tell you something interesting I measured the first 1% of my DNA with the eurogene's k36 and I made a GPS plot and I was shocked where my first 1% was coming from it was just west of Greece just west of Thessly somewhere I can show you if you'd like to see it and I recommend getting the desktop app so you can run calculators against shared segments with different people you know and do deeper research into a specific chromosomes even the centromeres and the ends of your chromosomes are quite interesting to research

Also I've shared this here before with someone else but I'll tell you that I read they say chromosome number 11 tends to have our oldest genetics for some reason I don't understand it I don't know if they understand it but apparently you'll find your oldest connections if you analyze that one so you might want to run it on some ancient scaled individual samples to start with just try your chromosome 11 maybe get your k36 full chromosomes and then you can make simulated coordinates and use those just for starters or you can get some companies to give you coordinates if you don't want to make your own but I think k36 is quite solid for what it measures and I like the k13 also it just has a different approach slightly cuz it's a lot less groups obviously

[Gannicus]

The Yamnaya are EHG+CHG so it just overlaps

Iran_N is different than CHG. But I can understand leaving out CHG specifically for overlap.

[Gannicus]

You can try this:

Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Iran_GanjDareh_N:I1954,0.054635,0.072103,-0.151225,0.004522,-0.125562,0.029005,0.018566,0.003,-0.083241,-0.054124,-0.001461,-0.004946,0.013974,-0.002615,0.028908,0.044285,-0.01343,0.009248,0.012947,-0.038143,0.004866,-0.029058,-0.006286,-0.037475,0.026465
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439,0.127482,0.09546,0 .037712,0.113374,-0.018157,0.033467,0.0047,-0.005077,-0.053176,-0.057587,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.006541,-0.025598,0.038952,0.01432,-0.001434,-0.007095,-0.001257,0.018259,-0.001872,0.006801,0.016269,0.025546,-0.009819
Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG,0.112685,0.182795,0.0 10936,-0.10013,0.055087,-0.046854,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.046836,0.081642,0.008607,0.010191,-0.015758,0.006193,-0.040173,-0.020021,0.00352,0.000507,0.011816,-0.014132,-0.008735,0.006306,-0.010969,-0.00494,-0.00467
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801


It's a small list, so fit numbers could be better if one adds more samples related to the 4 populations here.


Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0426% / 0.04259691
49.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
38.9 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG
11.7 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG

From what I can gather the Late Neolithic Anatolians from Barcin could have a Natufian admixture ranging around 20%
Genetic studies like Lazaridis et al. 2016, Mathieson et al. 2018 often model Anatolian Neolithic farmers as having 20% Levatine Natufian related ancestry.

If you are curious to see how much total Natufian you have, I have created a list to isolate it based on the assumption that Anatolian Farmer sample called Bar8 has 5% or so Natufian admix.

[Dr.Fiskero]

You can try this:

Israel_Natufian_d:I1072_enhanced_d,0.037562,0.1553 76,-0.023381,-0.137276,0.043085,-0.083388,-0.017861,-0.012923,0.124555,0.015672,0.030042,-0.020382,0.082209,0,0.003257,-0.012861,-0.008866,-0.010515,-0.017221,0.021385,0.015348,0.001855,0.008504,0.003 735,0
Iran_GanjDareh_N:I1954,0.054635,0.072103,-0.151225,0.004522,-0.125562,0.029005,0.018566,0.003,-0.083241,-0.054124,-0.001461,-0.004946,0.013974,-0.002615,0.028908,0.044285,-0.01343,0.009248,0.012947,-0.038143,0.004866,-0.029058,-0.006286,-0.037475,0.026465
Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439,0.127482,0.09546,0 .037712,0.113374,-0.018157,0.033467,0.0047,-0.005077,-0.053176,-0.057587,0.003085,-0.002098,-0.006541,-0.025598,0.038952,0.01432,-0.001434,-0.007095,-0.001257,0.018259,-0.001872,0.006801,0.016269,0.025546,-0.009819
Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG,0.112685,0.182795,0.0 10936,-0.10013,0.055087,-0.046854,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.046836,0.081642,0.008607,0.010191,-0.015758,0.006193,-0.040173,-0.020021,0.00352,0.000507,0.011816,-0.014132,-0.008735,0.006306,-0.010969,-0.00494,-0.00467
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.12179 1,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017 626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801


It's a small list, so fit numbers could be better if one adds more samples related to the 4 populations here.


Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0426% / 0.04259691
49.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
38.9 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG:Bar25.SG
11.7 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG

From what I can gather the Late Neolithic Anatolians from Barcin could have a Natufian admixture ranging around 20%
Genetic studies like Lazaridis et al. 2016, Mathieson et al. 2018 often model Anatolian Neolithic farmers as having 20% Levatine Natufian related ancestry.

If you are curious to see how much total Natufian you have, I have created a list to isolate it based on the assumption that Anatolian Farmer sample called Bar8 has 5% or so Natufian admix.

thanks :D

My results:

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 1.6867% / 0.01686701
70.6 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
13.8 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
8.8 Iran_GanjDareh_N
4.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
2.6 Israel_Natufian_d

[Dr.Fiskero]

Have you traced all the ancient Sardinian roots I imagine there are several branches of people but I only know a little bit about it I was wondering if you know some general major inroads maybe like for example from Libya or Algeria or Tunisia or Egypt or somewhere in the middle east or was it coming over from the Balkans across North Italy and down into Sardinia I've seen a lot of different routes including my mother's bloodline go across Europe and down through Morocco over to Libya and Libyan Jews the women 50% of them have my mother's same haplogroup it's called h1e so you might have quite a bit of ancient Northern genetics you don't know about I don't know I'm not sure but I'll tell you something interesting I measured the first 1% of my DNA with the eurogene's k36 and I made a GPS plot and I was shocked where my first 1% was coming from it was just west of Greece just west of Thessly somewhere I can show you if you'd like to see it and I recommend getting the desktop app so you can run calculators against shared segments with different people you know and do deeper research into a specific chromosomes even the centromeres and the ends of your chromosomes are quite interesting to research

Also I've shared this here before with someone else but I'll tell you that I read they say chromosome number 11 tends to have our oldest genetics for some reason I don't understand it I don't know if they understand it but apparently you'll find your oldest connections if you analyze that one so you might want to run it on some ancient scaled individual samples to start with just try your chromosome 11 maybe get your k36 full chromosomes and then you can make simulated coordinates and use those just for starters or you can get some companies to give you coordinates if you don't want to make your own but I think k36 is quite solid for what it measures and I like the k13 also it just has a different approach slightly cuz it's a lot less groups obviously

really interesting...I’ll definitely look into some of the tools and approaches you mentioned.

[Gannicus]

thanks :D

My results:

Target: Dr.Fiskero_scaled
Distance: 1.6867% / 0.01686701
70.6 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
13.8 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
8.8 Iran_GanjDareh_N
4.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
2.6 Israel_Natufian_d

Thats a really good fit number considering the age of the samples.