My results in new DNA test

[Peterski]

It costs only 14 Euros / 15 Dollars if you want to buy just it without the Tellmegen report:

https://www.genomik.pl/roots-dna

https://www-genomik-pl.translate.goog/analiza-1000-lat?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pl

And they have over 2000 regional populations from around the whole world which is a lot.

Here is what I scored:

Standard Mode (they wrote that it shows ancestry ca. 900-700 years ago):

Poland - 76.1%

Wielkopolskie - 24.8%
Lodzkie - 21.3%
Mazowieckie - 17.6%
Central Poland - 9.4%
Suwalki - 2.4%
Swietokrzyskie - 0.3%
Lubelskie - 0.2%
Podlaskie - 0.1%

Ukraine - 11.7%

Chernihiv Oblast - 11.7%

Denmark - 8.2%

Jutland - 8.2%

Slovenia - 1.5%

Novo Mesto - 1.5%

Italy - 1%

Tuscany - 1%

Russia - 1%

North Dagestan - 0.9%
Gergebil Avar - 0.1%

Bulgaria - 0.5%

Ruse Province - 0.5%

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Recent Mode (they wrote that it shows ancestry ca. 500-400 years ago):

Poland - 100%

Wielkopolskie - 49%
Lodzkie - 14.8%
Swietokrzyskie - 10.1%
Central Poland - 8.9%
Lubelskie - 5.2%
Dolnoslaskie Lusatia - 5.1%
Mazowieckie - 3.9%
Radom - 3%

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Overall these results are similar to what I score in Ancestry.com when it comes to their ancestral journeys.

And I am from Wielkopolskie region - when looking at recent generations - so these results are accurate.

[mariusz99]

I'm waiting for the results. They should be ready next week.

[Fistora]

Me too

[mariusz99]

My results.

The regions of Poland are very accurate, and I also have distant ancestry from northern Germany.

The only thing I don't understand is the percentage of Spain—I often get it in such reports.

Russia appears as well, although the percentage is too high; on Ancestry, it's only 4%. Overall, the report makes sense, and I’d rate it 8/10


Poland 69.80%
Germany 9.20%
Spain 5.10%
France 1.50%
United Kingdom 0.50%
Russia 13.10%

Mazowieckie 38.70%
Malopolskie 19.30%
Schleswig 9.20%
Podlaskie 6.80%
Euskadi Bizkaia 4.70%
Warmia Masuria 3.30%
Bretagne 1.50%
Podkarpackie 1.20%
Scotland Glasgow 0.50%
Upper Silesia 0.50%
Euskadi Alava 0.30%
Euskadi Gipuzkoa 0.10%

Rostov 8.90%
Yaroslavl Mologa 2.50%
Mordovia 1.20%
Kirov 0.40%
Volgograd 0.10%

[cass]

My results.

The regions of Poland are very accurate, and I also have distant ancestry from northern Germany.

The only thing I don't understand is the percentage of Spain—I often get it in such reports.

Russia appears as well, although the percentage is too high; on Ancestry, it's only 4%. Overall, the report makes sense, and I’d rate it 8/10


Poland 69.80%
Germany 9.20%
Spain 5.10%
France 1.50%
United Kingdom 0.50%
Russia 13.10%

Mazowieckie 38.70%
Malopolskie 19.30%
Schleswig 9.20%
Podlaskie 6.80%
Euskadi Bizkaia 4.70%
Warmia Masuria 3.30%
Bretagne 1.50%
Podkarpackie 1.20%
Scotland Glasgow 0.50%
Upper Silesia 0.50%
Euskadi Alava 0.30%
Euskadi Gipuzkoa 0.10%

Rostov 8.90%
Yaroslavl Mologa 2.50%
Mordovia 1.20%
Kirov 0.40%
Volgograd 0.10%

Euskadi Bizkaia :confused:
I suspect this is a GAC ​​avatar. This happens regularly.


Stable population structure in Europe since the Iron Age, despite high mobility (https://elifesciences.org/articles/79714)

[cass]

To understand this better, I propose a small experiment.



https://allelocator.ovh/Oracle2way-v2.html


Basque_Araba,0.127585,0.148545,0.059036,0.015798,0 .053772,0.004386,-0.002414,0.004091,0.025417,0.038021,-0.006953,0.009632,-0.022069,-0.014951,0.015892,-0.000783,-0.007337,6.9e-05,4e-04,-0.004036,0.008973,0.001945,-0.004807,-0.006244,-0.000446
Basque_Baztan,0.131724,0.151591,0.059071,0.01198,0 .057689,0.000811,-0.002927,0.003881,0.033635,0.041981,-0.005226,0.010981,-0.022583,-0.01709,0.01657,0.001278,-0.008214,0.000749,-0.000366,-0.007629,0.008406,-0.001034,-0.008874,-0.008062,0.00344
Basque_Biscay,0.130173,0.150298,0.057117,0.010718, 0.056458,0.005958,-0.000897,0.000944,0.026755,0.041981,-0.007529,0.014701,-0.024637,-0.017428,0.015744,0.00082,-0.004706,0.002787,0.000309,-0.002217,0.01005,0.001675,-0.006812,-0.008807,-0.000218
Basque_French,0.128051,0.152025,0.055173,0.012823, 0.056411,0.00251,-0.00141,0.003323,0.030597,0.041204,-0.009272,0.010341,-0.020976,-0.014024,0.013219,-0.001936,-0.011917,0.003028,-0.000716,-0.004415,0.010157,0.002485,-0.00864,-0.00917,7.2e-05
Basque_Gipuzkoa,0.131,0.148452,0.053894,0.011187,0 .055199,0.001268,-0.003995,0.000546,0.029767,0.041566,-0.005462,0.012602,-0.020637,-0.017741,0.015953,0.005846,-0.003023,0.001405,-0.000686,-0.00515,0.005615,-0.001259,-0.010409,-0.010363,0.001404
Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest,0.131207,0.149375,0.0579 39,0.012274,0.05657,0.001901,-0.002371,0.000671,0.026886,0.042279,-0.005861,0.010041,-0.022353,-0.019517,0.015299,0.004966,-0.002691,0.002534,-0.001806,-0.001171,0.010243,0.002361,-0.010465,-0.009969,0.001916
Basque_Lower_Navarre,0.129655,0.148267,0.05554,0.0 11041,0.055031,0.001445,-0.001154,0.001091,0.0304,0.04425,-0.005034,0.011717,-0.022759,-0.016027,0.017224,-9.6e-05,-0.007669,0.002637,-0.002434,-0.001865,0.006489,0.002451,-0.007854,-0.009596,0.002863
Basque_Navarre_Center,0.127275,0.148545,0.053243,0 .005609,0.051618,0.000532,-0.003525,-0.00149,0.027815,0.041831,-0.00344,0.009878,-0.021096,-0.018804,0.014818,0.000976,-0.004172,0.002303,-0.004948,-5e-04,0.007078,0.000393,-0.006274,-0.007975,2.2e-05
Basque_Navarre_North,0.129551,0.149745,0.056465,0. 010541,0.057577,0.000609,-0.000619,0.002077,0.030214,0.04483,-0.006067,0.012085,-0.024326,-0.019242,0.014152,0.00258,-0.003497,0.003766,-0.002057,-0.00274,0.01005,0.002192,-0.009344,-0.010922,0.002547
Basque_Roncal,0.131104,0.148821,0.054957,0.012215, 0.054556,0.001597,-0.00141,0.000944,0.033635,0.04039,-0.006835,0.010123,-0.020475,-0.016953,0.015805,0.000796,-0.003864,0.00372,0.000217,-0.001251,0.008462,0.001338,-0.00549,-0.008709,0.001437
Basque_Soule,0.131724,0.154823,0.054648,0.006812,0 .058528,0.000913,-0.001901,0.001217,0.030995,0.04324,-0.005994,0.011989,-0.022745,-0.016727,0.012462,-0.001097,-0.009731,0.000967,-4e-04,-0.00324,0.009234,0.002091,-0.007653,-0.009519,0.002591
Basque_Spanish,0.126424,0.148739,0.055679,0.00879, 0.05545,0.000249,-0.001754,2.5e-05,0.029539,0.042923,-0.005214,0.010801,-0.024986,-0.019493,0.015807,0.002614,-0.00563,0.003172,-0.002375,-0.001791,0.008819,0.002204,-0.006479,-0.008654,0.00115


Add modern Basque samples to the ancient samples, and yourself to the target.





This is exactly how calculators based on coordinates behave, as opposed to those based on sequence comparison.

[Fistora]

My results are a little bit off/weird. My known ancestry as far as i know is mainly Polish - various cities, Leszno, Podkarpackie voivodeship; West Ukrainian - Lviv, Bojkowszczyzna and not sure, maybe lemko (they themselves didn't know who they were); My great great grandfather was German from munchen who left/deserted from wehrmacht in west ukraine during ww2; Lastly my great great grandmother was Mordvin.

Here are my results:
Mazowieckie 26.40%
Pomorskie West 22.40%
Brest Region 12.80%
Euskadi Gipuzkoa 8.70%
Tuscany 7.60%
Kharkiv Oblast 5.90%
Lithuania Utena 4.80%
Finland Ingria 4.40%
Vitebsk Region 2.50%
Poltava Oblast 1.60%
Pakistan Hunza 0.80%
Grodno Region 0.50%
Cantabria 0.40%
Lithuania Memel 0.40%
Midi Pyrenees Aveyron 0.30%
Severna Trakiya 0.30%

Recent mode:
Lubuskie Sorbs 29.50% Slovakia 23.40%
Cieszyn 11.10% Poltava Oblast 9.80%
Kharkiv Oblast 6.20% Pomorskie West 5.90%
Slovakia Presov 3.80% Kiev Oblast 2.60%
Luhansk Oblast 2.10% North Hungary 1.50%
Vinnytsia Oblast 1.50% Grodno Region 1.40%
Istria 1.20%

[mariusz99]

My results are a little bit off/weird. My known ancestry as far as i know is mainly Polish - various cities, Leszno, Podkarpackie voivodeship; West Ukrainian - Lviv, Bojkowszczyzna and not sure, maybe lemko (they themselves didn't know who they were); My great great grandfather was German from munchen who left/deserted from wehrmacht in west ukraine during ww2; Lastly my great great grandmother was Mordvin.

Here are my results:
Mazowieckie 26.40%
Pomorskie West 22.40%
Brest Region 12.80%
Euskadi Gipuzkoa 8.70%
Tuscany 7.60%
Kharkiv Oblast 5.90%
Lithuania Utena 4.80%
Finland Ingria 4.40%
Vitebsk Region 2.50%
Poltava Oblast 1.60%
Pakistan Hunza 0.80%
Grodno Region 0.50%
Cantabria 0.40%
Lithuania Memel 0.40%
Midi Pyrenees Aveyron 0.30%
Severna Trakiya 0.30%

Recent mode:
Lubuskie Sorbs 29.50% Slovakia 23.40%
Cieszyn 11.10% Poltava Oblast 9.80%
Kharkiv Oblast 6.20% Pomorskie West 5.90%
Slovakia Presov 3.80% Kiev Oblast 2.60%
Luhansk Oblast 2.10% North Hungary 1.50%
Vinnytsia Oblast 1.50% Grodno Region 1.40%
Istria 1.20%

Brest in France or Belarus?

[Fistora]

myheritage results:
136831

[Fistora]

Brest in France or Belarus?

Belarus

[mariusz99]

My girlfriends results:

Poland 62.80%
Latvia 17.40%
Belarus 8.70%
Spain 8.30%
Lithuania 2.60%
France 0.20%

Pomorskie Starogard is in first place. I’m not sure what to think about that. It seems like every Pole gets "south" and a fairly high percentage at that, which doesn’t align with reality. But if we disregard "south" as an error, the results aren’t bad. Still, Mazowieckie should be in first place.

My result was good. I must have something from the east; Russia keeps appearing. Schleswig was also accurate

[Peterski]

My girlfriends results:

Poland 62.80%
Latvia 17.40%
Belarus 8.70%
Spain 8.30%
Lithuania 2.60%
France 0.20%

Is this Standard mode or Recent mode?

It looks like your girflriend has strong Baltic (maybe Old Prussian or Yotvingian?) admixture.


My results are a little bit off/weird. My known ancestry as far as i know is mainly Polish - various cities, Leszno, Podkarpackie voivodeship; West Ukrainian - Lviv, Bojkowszczyzna and not sure, maybe lemko (they themselves didn't know who they were); My great great grandfather was German from munchen who left/deserted from wehrmacht in west ukraine during ww2; Lastly my great great grandmother was Mordvin.

Here are my results:
Mazowieckie 26.40%
Pomorskie West 22.40%
Brest Region 12.80%
Euskadi Gipuzkoa 8.70%
Tuscany 7.60%
Kharkiv Oblast 5.90%
Lithuania Utena 4.80%
Finland Ingria 4.40%
Vitebsk Region 2.50%
Poltava Oblast 1.60%
Pakistan Hunza 0.80%
Grodno Region 0.50%
Cantabria 0.40%
Lithuania Memel 0.40%
Midi Pyrenees Aveyron 0.30%
Severna Trakiya 0.30%

Recent mode:
Lubuskie Sorbs 29.50% Slovakia 23.40%
Cieszyn 11.10% Poltava Oblast 9.80%
Kharkiv Oblast 6.20% Pomorskie West 5.90%
Slovakia Presov 3.80% Kiev Oblast 2.60%
Luhansk Oblast 2.10% North Hungary 1.50%
Vinnytsia Oblast 1.50% Grodno Region 1.40%
Istria 1.20%

You scored some regions on the German ethnic border such as Pomorskie West, Lubuskie Sorbs and Memel, so I guess your minor German (6%) is hiding there. Perhaps your German ancestor was not native to Munich but had ancestors from Eastern Germany? Leszno is on the border of Wielkopolskie and Lubuskie, so this can show up as Lubuskie. The southern European percentages can be attributed to ancestry from Podkarpackie (Vlach colonization / kolonizacja wołoska). Also it seems that some of your ancestors come from Slovakia, so they probably migrated north across the mountains at some point. West Ukrainian in combination with Mordvin is probably resulting in Central Ukrainian and East Ukrainian regions, or your ancestors from West Ukraine came from further east (Poltava Oblast). Remember that the test goes back to 900 years ago (Standard) and 500 years ago (Recent) so it might be different than what we know about recent generations.

900 years ago much of what is now Podkarpackie was still uninhabited by humans.

[Peterski]

It seems like every Pole gets "south" and a fairly high percentage at that

Yes these "southern" percentages are intriguing. But they disappear in Recent Mode.

[mariusz99]

Is this Standard mode or Recent mode?

It looks like your girflriend has strong Baltic (maybe Old Prussian or Yotvingian?) admixture.



You scored some regions on the German ethnic border such as Pomorskie West, Lubuskie Sorbs and Memel, so I guess your minor German (6%) is hiding there. Perhaps your German ancestor was not native to Munich but had ancestors from Eastern Germany? Leszno is on the border of Wielkopolskie and Lubuskie, so this can show up as Lubuskie. The southern European percentages can be attributed to ancestry from Podkarpackie (Vlach colonization / kolonizacja wołoska). Also it seems that some of your ancestors come from Slovakia, so they probably migrated north across the mountains at some point. West Ukrainian in combination with Mordvin is probably resulting in Central Ukrainian and East Ukrainian regions, or your ancestors from West Ukraine came from further east (Poltava Oblast). Remember that the test goes back to 900 years ago (Standard) and 500 years ago (Recent) so it might be different than what we know about recent generations.

900 years ago much of what is now Podkarpackie was still uninhabited by humans.

Yes, my girlfriend often has ancestry from those regions—just northeastern Poland. She also has a bit of Pomeranian, but not much + no German. In general, her results are always very eastern, even for a Pole.

Could you help interpret my results a bit? I’m particularly interested in the Russian and German percentages because they intrigue me.

[cass]

Yes these "southern" percentages are intriguing. But they disappear in Recent Mode.

These are regional GAC surpluses IMHO. I don't believe in a mass parachute drop of the Basques. Wrong model, nothing more.

[Peterski]

Could you help interpret my results a bit? I’m particularly interested in the Russian and German percentages because they intrigue me.

Your Russian percentage is mainly from Rostov so I think that it may indicate some Cossack ancestry.

And your German is from ethnically Saxon settlers obviously as it is from the northernmost Germany.

You also scored minor Scottish so maybe you have a distant Scottish ancestor, there were lots of them in Poland.

[mariusz99]

Your Russian percentage is mainly from Rostov so I think that it may indicate some Cossack ancestry.

And your German is from ethnically Saxon settlers obviously as it is from the northernmost Germany.

You also scored minor Scottish so maybe you have a distant Scottish ancestor, there were lots of them in Poland.

My grandfather came from the Lublin region. Appearance might not be important, but part of his family looked—and still looks—distinctly southeastern, almost Cossack-like

[Peterski]

These are regional GAC surpluses IMHO.

Russki claimed that there has been a resurgence of EEF ancestry so maybe something related to this.

Or Southwest European merchants such as Ibrahim Ibn Jakub left admixture in Early Medieval Poland?

When you check Figlerowicz's study samples, there are some Southern European outliers among them.

[cass]

Russki claimed that there has been a resurgence of EEF ancestry so maybe something related to this.

Or Southwest European merchants such as Ibrahim Ibn Jakub left admixture in Early Medieval Poland?

When you check Figlerowicz's study samples, there are some Southern European outliers among them.


If there was such a secondary EEF wave, it was highly processed in the LaTene form. What you see is IMO clearly some avatar resulting from atomization. In Stolarek's work you probably only have two outliers. Ibn Yakob was not a Basque but a Jew. This would be seen differently from the Basques or Spaniards.

[Peterski]

In Stolarek's work you probably only have two outliers.

There are several, more than two (if you count both Roman Era and Medieval samples).

If you compare Early Medieval Wielkopolska average (after excluding outliers) with Modern Wielkopolska average, you will see that the Modern one has some sort of "southern" admixture which is not present in the Early Medieval one:


Early_Medieval_Wielkopolska(n=40),0.1281648,0.1243 262,0.0755374,0.0691947,0.041923,0.0256997,0.00862 49,0.0124956,-0.0003477,-0.0262967,-0.002314,-0.0108129,0.017029,0.0221779,-0.008978,0.0013623,0.003742,-0.0012415,0.0037772,0.0000782,-0.0035406,-0.0054036,0.0074811,-0.0058562,0.0019818
Modern_Wielkopolska(n=11),0.1323451,0.1354346,0.06 87045,0.057817,0.0381328,0.022438,0.0079474,0.0079 508,0.0008739,-0.0186377,-0.0045174,-0.006267,0.0122712,0.0151135,-0.0062555,0.0025915,0.0024536,0.0005298,0.0007541, 0.0010116,-0.005218,-0.0018322,0.006039,0.0044473,-0.0020792

Poles have some sort of Southern European admixture acquired during the last 900 years.

[cass]

These are the oultiers...

Distance to: Poland_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA_oIberianEEF:PCA0493__AD_ 200__Cov_12.23%
0.04683241 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04964377 French_Paris
0.05074941 French_Brittany
0.05094512 BelgianB
0.05227667 Afrikaner
0.05250034 Spanish_Soria
0.05295216 BelgianC
0.05380842 French_Nord
0.05418036 French_Occitanie
0.05503947 Dutch
0.05525202 Welsh
0.05569608 Swiss_German
0.05610112 French_Auvergne
0.05625389 Swiss_French
0.05627428 French_Alsace
0.05638912 English
0.05738244 English_Cornwall
0.05777857 German
0.05880237 Irish
0.05891293 Scottish
0.05931472 BelgianA
0.05941606 Norwegian
0.05996259 Orcadian
0.06021171 Danish
0.06056080 German_Erlangen

Distance to: Poland_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA_oAnatolia_IA:PCA0492__AD _200__Cov_11.35%
0.06114697 Swiss_German
0.06138342 Romanian
0.06198842 French_Alsace
0.06201024 French_Provence
0.06216445 BelgianB
0.06223537 Afrikaner
0.06268439 Austrian
0.06313106 Montenegrin
0.06319412 Bulgarian
0.06322499 French_Nord
0.06350450 Moldovan
0.06361923 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains
0.06370893 Italian_Northeast
0.06377196 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
0.06417408 Turkish_Deliorman
0.06444680 Turkish_North_Macedonia
0.06457178 Serbian
0.06473603 Pomak_Almopia_Plain
0.06487673 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06499485 Turkish_Chitak
0.06507849 French_Paris
0.06566136 BelgianC
0.06587311 Swiss_French
0.06684219 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06692710 Hungarian







them vs Polish samples

Distance to: Poland_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA_oIberianEEF:PCA0493__AD_ 200__Cov_12.23%
0.11663894 Poland_GlobularAmphora.SG
0.11991763 Ukraine_GlobularAmphora
0.12146826 Sweden_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)
0.12491015 Poland_Koszyce_GlobularAmphora.SG
0.12520763 Poland_GlobularAmphora
0.12622621 Czech_N_GlobularAmphora
0.12832312 Poland_Ksiaznice_GlobularAmphora.SG
0.13309433 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Sirem_o
0.13965743 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Baalberge
0.14023323 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Sirem
0.14094734 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)
0.14129123 Poland_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)
0.14282203 Czech_N_TRB
0.14282255 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)_o2
0.14488305 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Baalberge/Sirem
0.15582050 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Michelsberg/Baalberge
0.15668470 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)
0.17991608 Germany_EN_LBK_Stuttgart-Muhlhausen
0.18223900 Germany_EN_LBK_Unterwiederstedt
0.18717081 Germany_EN_LBK_Schwetzingen
0.18901380 Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt
0.20069611 Germany_EN_LBK_Karsdorf
0.30010350 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)_o1

Distance to: Poland_Pruszcz_Gdanski_IA_oAnatolia_IA:PCA0492__AD _200__Cov_11.35%
0.14106508 Poland_GlobularAmphora.SG
0.14541291 Sweden_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)
0.14574757 Ukraine_GlobularAmphora
0.14627173 Poland_Ksiaznice_GlobularAmphora.SG
0.14918571 Poland_Koszyce_GlobularAmphora.SG
0.15059420 Czech_N_GlobularAmphora
0.15069392 Poland_GlobularAmphora
0.15539172 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)
0.15549808 Poland_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)
0.15712950 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Baalberge
0.15888170 Czech_N_TRB
0.15935274 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Sirem
0.16059297 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)
0.16104255 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Baalberge/Sirem
0.16997237 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Michelsberg/Baalberge
0.17206256 Czechia_LN_Funnelbeaker_(TRB)_Sirem_o
0.17789742 Germany_EN_LBK_Stuttgart-Muhlhausen
0.18018854 Germany_EN_LBK_Unterwiederstedt
0.18196321 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)_o2
0.18282429 Germany_EN_LBK_Schwetzingen
0.18628802 Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt
0.19983574 Germany_EN_LBK_Karsdorf
0.34101577 Poland_LN_Lengyel_(BKG)_o1

[Peterski]

There are a few more "southern" outliers:

Distance to: Maslomecz_PCA0113_outlier
0.04513953 Italian_Piedmont
0.04591728 Italian_Tuscany
0.04625240 Italian_Lombardy
0.04659889 French_Corsica
0.04761398 Italian_Veneto

Distance to: Maslomecz_PCA0110_outlier
0.04609675 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.04802771 Greek_Izmir
0.04957996 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.04985036 Italian_Lazio
0.05052899 Greek_Corinthia

Distance to: Medieval_Markowice_PCA0157
0.03215670 Italian_Northeast
0.03503174 Romanian
0.03634030 Swiss_German
0.03646723 Serbian
0.03703165 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige

Distance to: Medieval_Niemcza_PCA0140
0.02291747 Moldovan
0.02662998 Bosnian
0.02673075 Serbian
0.03022616 Montenegrin
0.03026815 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains

Distance to: Medieval_Niemcza_PCA0126
0.03011536 Croatian
0.03086338 Slovenian
0.03256270 Hungarian
0.03321894 Bosnian
0.03391623 Moldovan

Distance to: Przeworsk_PCA0012__AD_200__Cov_17.19%
0.02667169 French_Occitanie
0.02725384 French_Paris
0.02748488 French_Nord
0.02782996 BelgianC
0.02873540 French_Auvergne

[cass]

There are several, more than two (if you count both Roman Era and Medieval samples).

If you compare Early Medieval Wielkopolska average (after excluding outliers) with Modern Wielkopolska average, you will see that the Modern one has some sort of "southern" admixture which is not present in the Early Medieval one:


Early_Medieval_Wielkopolska(n=40),0.1281648,0.1243 262,0.0755374,0.0691947,0.041923,0.0256997,0.00862 49,0.0124956,-0.0003477,-0.0262967,-0.002314,-0.0108129,0.017029,0.0221779,-0.008978,0.0013623,0.003742,-0.0012415,0.0037772,0.0000782,-0.0035406,-0.0054036,0.0074811,-0.0058562,0.0019818
Modern_Wielkopolska(n=11),0.1323451,0.1354346,0.06 87045,0.057817,0.0381328,0.022438,0.0079474,0.0079 508,0.0008739,-0.0186377,-0.0045174,-0.006267,0.0122712,0.0151135,-0.0062555,0.0025915,0.0024536,0.0005298,0.0007541, 0.0010116,-0.005218,-0.0018322,0.006039,0.0044473,-0.0020792

Poles have some sort of Southern European admixture acquired during the last 900 years.

Target: Modern_Wielkopolska(n=11)
Distance: 1.3686% / 0.01368630
69.2 Early_Medieval_Wielkopolska(n=40)
13.8 Germany_Ellwangen_Plague_EarlyModern:ELW010__AD_15 40__Cov_13.71%
10.2 Germany_Lubeck_LateMedieval:HGH-1607__AD_1367__Cov_46.04%
4.8 Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG__AD_1562__Cov_5 8.94%
2.0 Greece_Roman:I7833__AD_340__Cov_80.86%


LOL

[Peterski]

Target: Modern_Wielkopolska(n=11)
Distance: 1.3686% / 0.01368630
69.2 Early_Medieval_Wielkopolska(n=40)
13.8 Germany_Ellwangen_Plague_EarlyModern:ELW010__AD_15 40__Cov_13.71%
10.2 Germany_Lubeck_LateMedieval:HGH-1607__AD_1367__Cov_46.04%
4.8 Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG__AD_1562__Cov_5 8.94%
2.0 Greece_Roman:I7833__AD_340__Cov_80.86%

^^^
Not a trivial amount - 7% of extra Southern European admixture.

BTW what happens when you exclude low coverage samples (the first one, 13.71%) from the model?

[cass]

^^^
Not a trivial amount - 7% of extra Southern European admixture.

BTW what happens when you exclude low coverage samples (the first one, 13.71%) from the model?

Add the late Bambers, Alsatians, Danes and Czechs and you have the complete set. I thought you were more familiar with the history of Greater Poland over the last 900 years.

[Peterski]

Add the late Bambers, Alsatians, Danes and Czechs and you have the complete set. I thought you were more familiar with the history of Greater Poland over the last 900 years.

When I model Modern Wielkopolska with these populations, I get over 20% of Czech admixture. I don't think this is a realistic model.

[cass]

When I model Modern Wielkopolska with these populations, I get over 20% of Czech admixture. I don't think this is a realistic model.


Because they are too similar. :picard2:

[Peterski]

And I've never heard about Alsatians in Wielkopolska. Can you tell more about this?

[cass]

And I've never heard about Alsatians in Wielkopolska. Can you tell more about this?

They were probably also after the French war.

You're clinging to details because you're talking nonsense. It is no accident that in slang every German is called a Szwab/Swabian.

[Peterski]

First of all Alsatians are not Swabians. Secondly Swabian dialect was actually never spoken in Wielkopolska.

In northern Wielkopolska (north of the Warta River) there was Low German and in southern Middle German:

https://i.redd.it/57irp246qayd1.jpeg

[cass]

First of all Alsatians are not Swabians. Secondly Swabian dialect was actually never spoken in Wielkopolska.

In northern Wielkopolska (north of the Warta River) there was Low German and in southern Middle German:

https://i.redd.it/57irp246qayd1.jpeg


Do you know exactly all the varieties of German spoken in Greater Poland over the past 800 years? ;)

Well, it was a Silesian dialect, and Swabians migrated there. I assume that genetically Swabians and Alsatians are indistinguishable.




These are irrelevant details in the discussion. Your alleged surplus LBK is mainly Germans, not parachuted Basques. :bored:

[Peterski]

Well, not everyone scores "southern" percentages in this test.

Here are the results for my grandmother in Genomik's test:

Standard Mode:

Poland:

Central Poland - 35.4%
Wielkopolskie - 13.2%
Lubuskie - 7.8%
Mazowieckie - 0.9%
Kujawsko Pomorskie - 0.1%
Suwalki - 0.1%

Ukraine:

Zhytomyr Oblast - 15.7%
Ivano Frankivsk Oblast - 9.2%
Kharkiv Oblast - 3.5%

France:

Maine et Loire - 6.5%

United Kingdom:

Scotland Central - 4.6%
Scotland Highland - 1.2%
Oxfordshire - 0.9%

Italy:

Tuscany - 0.8%

Latvia:

Latvia - 0.1%

Recent Mode:

Wielkopolskie - 36.2%
Central Poland - 25.1%
Malopolskie - 5.6%
Upper Silesia - 4.4%
Lubuskie - 2.5%
Mazowieckie - 1.9%
Kujawsko Pomorskie - 1.4%
Warmia Masuria - 1.4%

Ukraine:

Ivano Frankivsk Oblast - 11.4%
Zhytomyr Oblast - 3.4%
Kharkiv Oblast - 2.4%

Slovakia:

Slovakia Presov - 2.8%
Central Slovakia - 1.5%

Interesting that Ukraine has not disappeared in the Recent Mode.

==========

I also ordered one for my father, I will post it when I get the results.

[cass]

Well, not everyone scores "southern" percentages in this test.

Here are the results for my grandmother in Genomik's test:

Standard Mode:

Poland:

Central Poland - 35.4%
Wielkopolskie - 13.2%
Lubuskie - 7.8%
Mazowieckie - 0.9%
Kujawsko Pomorskie - 0.1%
Suwalki - 0.1%

Ukraine:

Zhytomyr Oblast - 15.7%
Ivano Frankivsk Oblast - 9.2%
Kharkiv Oblast - 3.5%

France:

Maine et Loire - 6.5%

United Kingdom:

Scotland Central - 4.6%
Scotland Highland - 1.2%
Oxfordshire - 0.9%

Italy:

Tuscany - 0.8%

Latvia:

Latvia - 0.1%

Recent Mode:

Wielkopolskie - 36.2%
Central Poland - 25.1%
Malopolskie - 5.6%
Upper Silesia - 4.4%
Lubuskie - 2.5%
Mazowieckie - 1.9%
Kujawsko Pomorskie - 1.4%
Warmia Masuria - 1.4%

Ukraine:

Ivano Frankivsk Oblast - 11.4%
Zhytomyr Oblast - 3.4%
Kharkiv Oblast - 2.4%

Slovakia:

Slovakia Presov - 2.8%
Central Slovakia - 1.5%

Interesting that Ukraine has not disappeared in the Recent Mode.

==========

I also ordered one for my father, I will post it when I get the results.


Because W. Ukraine is too close genetically and the result is scattered, unless you actually have grandparents from Stanislawow.

[Peterski]

unless you actually have grandparents from Stanislawow.

I only know my ancestors up to 4th generation back (up to great-great-grandparents) and this test goes back centuries, so who knows. But you are right that there is overlap between the genetics of Poles, Ukrainians and Slovaks.

[rothaer]

(...) It is no accident that in slang every German is called a Szwab/Swabian.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure that this is derived from SW German settlers that came only after the Third Polish partition (1795), mostly to Central Poland that had become Prussian at that time. They mostly didn't thrive in those harsh conditions and left after some decade for Besarabia and some other parts of Russia.

[rothaer]

First of all Alsatians are not Swabians. Secondly Swabian dialect was actually never spoken in Wielkopolska.

In northern Wielkopolska (north of the Warta River) there was Low German and in southern Middle German:

https://i.redd.it/57irp246qayd1.jpeg

True.

The Swabian label has been narrowed down somewhat in history. First the term was pretty wide as referring to all Suebian tribes. Later in the Middle Ages it become synonymous to Alemannians. The Duchy of Swabia was a tribal duchy that comprised essentially the Alemannic dialectal area, which includes Alsatia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Swabia

Here's a good map showing that dialectal area.

https://i.imgur.com/g8JRpmA.jpeg

[cass]

Well, not everyone scores "southern" percentages in this test.


With all due respect, the highest percentage of "southern" LBK in Poland is not in the south, but in Kujawy. Either it is the result of long-lasting co-existence with the Germans or it is a reminiscence in the Neolithic core of the GAC. Possibly both. The second one is the Opole region, where we can expect Germanic and Celtic admixtures.



According to this report, high homogeneity of native European populations is expected.

https://iiif.elifesciences.org/lax:79714%2Felife-79714-fig2-figsupp2-v1.tif/full/,1500/0/default.jpg

Stable population structure in Europe since the Iron Age, despite high mobility
https://elifesciences.org/articles/79714

[rothaer]

I only know my ancestors up to 4th generation back (up to great-great-grandparents) and this test goes back centuries, so who knows. (...)

But those 16 great-great-grandparents are very good for orientation. If not being part of a mass migration, deviating ancestors farther back will hardly represent a notable proportion of the ancestry, I guess.

[Fistora]

My results.

The regions of Poland are very accurate, and I also have distant ancestry from northern Germany.

The only thing I don't understand is the percentage of Spain—I often get it in such reports.

Russia appears as well, although the percentage is too high; on Ancestry, it's only 4%. Overall, the report makes sense, and I’d rate it 8/10


Poland 69.80%
Germany 9.20%
Spain 5.10%
France 1.50%
United Kingdom 0.50%
Russia 13.10%

Mazowieckie 38.70%
Malopolskie 19.30%
Schleswig 9.20%
Podlaskie 6.80%
Euskadi Bizkaia 4.70%
Warmia Masuria 3.30%
Bretagne 1.50%
Podkarpackie 1.20%
Scotland Glasgow 0.50%
Upper Silesia 0.50%
Euskadi Alava 0.30%
Euskadi Gipuzkoa 0.10%

Rostov 8.90%
Yaroslavl Mologa 2.50%
Mordovia 1.20%
Kirov 0.40%
Volgograd 0.10%

What are your Recent Mode results?

[mariusz99]

What are your Recent Mode results?

Malopolskie 28.70% Upper Silesia 21.40%
Mazowieckie 18.30% Warmia Masuria 12.80%
Podkarpackie 6.10% Kujawsko Pomorskie 2.20%
Wielkopolskie 2.10% Zachodniopomorskie 1.90%
Lubelskie 1.70% Podlaskie 1.30%

Tambov 2.40% Smolensk 1.10%

I prefer Standard mode. Recent mode better highlights the possible Russian admixture, but it doesn't show the German one. Additionally, in Standard mode, Mazowieckie, my region of origin, is in the first place

[cass]

Malopolskie 28.70% Upper Silesia 21.40%
Mazowieckie 18.30% Warmia Masuria 12.80%
Podkarpackie 6.10% Kujawsko Pomorskie 2.20%
Wielkopolskie 2.10% Zachodniopomorskie 1.90%
Lubelskie 1.70% Podlaskie 1.30%

Tambov 2.40% Smolensk 1.10%

I prefer Standard mode. Recent mode better highlights the possible Russian admixture, but it doesn't show the German one. Additionally, in Standard mode, Mazowieckie, my region of origin, is in the first place

IMHO you won't get anything better from coordinate-based calculators. With a high focus on basic elements, Basques, Sardinians and Finns, or Kalash, appear. With a large distance, you have overlapping results in genetically close populations with specific profiles curved to the base populations. And so, instead of German admixture, you will have Czechs or Silesians as a result. I assume that only a comparison of entire sentences can be more informative.

[mariusz99]

IMHO you won't get anything better from coordinate-based calculators. With a high focus on basic elements, Basques, Sardinians and Finns, or Kalash, appear. With a large distance, you have overlapping results in genetically close populations with specific profiles curved to the base populations. And so, instead of German admixture, you will have Czechs or Silesians as a result. I assume that only a comparison of entire sentences can be more informative.

However, I got the best ethnicity result from the company Humanitas. They base their results on the K18 calculator, which is not publicly available.

[Grace O'Malley]

I've ordered this. I'll post when I get the results.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think this test is very good.

This is my recent mode so within 400 to 500 years.

https://i.postimg.cc/Ss1FLbdr/Screenshot-2025-02-01-061955.png

https://i.postimg.cc/j54CR2sj/Screenshot-2025-02-01-054959.png


This is standard so ancestry within 700 to 900 years.

https://i.postimg.cc/pT64hYVc/Screenshot-2025-02-01-062429.png

https://i.postimg.cc/FznrKJwh/Screenshot-2025-02-01-055302.png

Also a tiny bit of Georgia.

https://i.postimg.cc/Njjn4zyC/Screenshot-2025-02-01-063114.png

I have Scottish surnames in my family tree. The France could be due to Normans or possibly Huguenots. I have a fairly recent surname see below.

https://i.postimg.cc/c4H75ym3/Screenshot-2025-02-01-063737.png

The Denmark/Norway/German could be some Anglo-Saxon/Viking input. I don't know where Poland would come from (possibly from Viking input also) and also Georgia. It could be something ancient. I get a small amount of Georgian on G25.

Anyway it's quite realistic in my view.

[Grace O'Malley]

The area in Poland I get is Mazowieckie which is prominent in everyone's results. Also Warsaw is in this province so that might explain why it appears so much.

[Peterski]

^^^
Very interesting results!

Yes, my guess is that Polish is due to Slavs who were mercenaries supporting the Vikings in their raids against the British Isles.

Check: https://studerende.au.dk/en/view/artikel/harold-bluetooths-vikings-were-polish-mercenaries

[Mrozek231]

I have just received the results. Chuvashia strikes again. I recently got this component in the K36 test. Finno-Ugric or Tatar? I don't know. Lots of dots in the Baltics. I used the MyHeritage DNA file. I got 3.6% Germanic from them and here I obtained much more in standard mode. Weird, but the test with its detail is impressive

Standard mode:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGCBB8dj/1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/9fcfwKKj/3.png

https://i.postimg.cc/g2FjmnKj/4.png


Recent mode:

https://i.postimg.cc/SxhZ8frh/2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/y8yLT3QS/3.png

[nittionia]

I just ordered it for my dad :)

[Beowulf]

I'm still waiting for my results I ordered it like 4 days ago

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm still waiting for my results I ordered it like 4 days ago

It took about 3 days for me so you should get it soon. It will be interesting to see what you get.

[Beowulf]

It took about 3 days for me so you should get it soon. It will be interesting to see what you get.


https://i.ibb.co/FL2QN85Q/Captura-de-pantalla-2025-02-12-102502.png (https://ibb.co/nN9XZQ7X)
https://i.ibb.co/nNZTsNpb/Captura-de-pantalla-2025-02-12-102452.png (https://ibb.co/q3XzM36d)

I feel very satissfied by these results!! :)


















Non European regions:

Algeria Ouargla 3.60% Morocco Khemisset 0.10%
Negev Bedouin 3.20% Qatar 1.20%
As Suwayda Governorate 0.90% Maan Governorate 0.70%
Saudi Arabia 0.60% Jordan Aqaba 0.10%

[Grace O'Malley]

https://i.ibb.co/FL2QN85Q/Captura-de-pantalla-2025-02-12-102502.png (https://ibb.co/nN9XZQ7X)
https://i.ibb.co/nNZTsNpb/Captura-de-pantalla-2025-02-12-102452.png (https://ibb.co/q3XzM36d)

I feel very satissfied by these results!! :)


















Non European regions:

Algeria Ouargla 3.60% Morocco Khemisset 0.10%
Negev Bedouin 3.20% Qatar 1.20%
As Suwayda Governorate 0.90% Maan Governorate 0.70%
Saudi Arabia 0.60% Jordan Aqaba 0.10%

Nice results Beowulf. They appear to align with your ancestry.

[nittionia]

These are the regions my dad got

https://i.imgur.com/5xIWz79.png

https://i.imgur.com/h1zDXua.png

[Beowulf]

These are the regions my dad got

https://i.imgur.com/5xIWz79.png

https://i.imgur.com/h1zDXua.png

Cool! I share some regions with him such as Cornwall, or Bretagne! Funny coincidence!

[djipon]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXQYR4zH/63459032529034.png

I did it, too.

[Beowulf]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXQYR4zH/63459032529034.png

I did it, too.

Wow! So cool that you also took it!!

[Peterski]

My dad's results:

Standard Mode:

https://i.imgur.com/zfjJCpO.png

https://i.imgur.com/6poTxNy.png

https://i.imgur.com/7G6DhRb.png

Recent Mode:

https://i.imgur.com/uFwtSxg.png

https://i.imgur.com/WHYiUkS.png

[Highwayman]

Recent


https://i.ibb.co/p6mJckwJ/IMG-9724.jpg (https://ibb.co/BH1qbY3q)
https://i.ibb.co/CKYwXN3Q/IMG-9725.jpg (https://ibb.co/zVBmLjTZ)



Standard


https://i.ibb.co/Y7HKbSfC/IMG-9726.jpg (https://ibb.co/Gvz1FDC6)
https://i.ibb.co/SwgHWgtv/IMG-9727.jpg (https://ibb.co/B2JvdJys)
https://i.ibb.co/DH9T75sJ/IMG-9728.jpg (https://ibb.co/S4tGKRWj)



I get Dagastan to Grace’s Georgia. Avars?


My Palatinate ancestry must be interpreted as “Dutch” in Recent variant.(In truth, I have distant bits of New Amsterdam, colonial New York and Wisconsin Settler Dutch) aaand that Palatinate must be the French in Standard.


my 1/8th Scandinavian is curiously absent, besides the stronger Finnish interpretation. 23andme has held consistently through all the updates that I am 1% Finnish, (and my maternal grandmother shows 2% Finnish with 15% Swedish.)




Overall, 1000% pirate results. I like these tests.