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ScandinavianCelt
01-21-2025, 06:57 PM
In case you are bored and want to try something for fun...

Model yourself with the average of all three 2-way models you get for each of your simulated coordinates: Eurogenes K13, K15, & K36.

Put each of your sims in here one at a time: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/oracle.aspx

My raw results for each:

K36 Danish 92
Tajik_Rushan 8
K15 English 73
Slovakian 27
K13 Welsh 77
Russian_Kursk 23

I then highlighted these in Excel and hit INSERT - CHART - PIE CHART with Excel spreadsheet (you can do it by multiplying each by 1/3, however):

It comes out quite reasonable for me.

My resultant model:

https://i.postimg.cc/MGL0zB94/chart.png (https://postimages.org/)

Post your pie chart of these 6 groups, or just the final weighted average:

Danish 30.7%
Welsh 25.7%
English 24.3%
Slovakian 9%
Russian_Kursk 7.7%
Tajik_Rushan 2.7%


This model helps eliminate "noise" perhaps and allows us to benefit from all three calcs at one time.

Try if you'd like to.

Dušan
01-21-2025, 07:55 PM
K13: 55% Russian_Belgorod + 45% Italian_Veneto
K15: 61% Russian_Belgorod + 39% Italian_Piedmont
K36: 55% Russian_Belgorod + 45% Albanian


https://i.imgur.com/leBgXjC.png

ScandinavianCelt
01-21-2025, 08:06 PM
K13: 55% Russian_Belgorod + 45% Italian_Veneto
K15: 61% Russian_Belgorod + 39% Italian_Piedmont
K36: 55% Russian_Belgorod + 45% Albanian


https://i.imgur.com/leBgXjC.png

Interesting! Always Belgorod too. Does it look like the proper balance of Russian, Italian, Albanian?

Mine looks spot on East and West Euro for my backgrounds compared to other calcs. It will be a bit rounded for sure, by smaller groups, but the core should be there.

Fistora
01-21-2025, 08:17 PM
136766

66% Estonian + 34% Spanish_Penedes k13
22 + 11,3
68% Lithuanian_VZ + 32% Spanish_Castello k15
22,6 + 10,6
84% Ukrainian_Chernihiv + 16% Spanish_Pais_Vasco k36
28 + 5,3

cass
01-21-2025, 08:43 PM
Maybe I didn't fully understand the method, but that's what it looks like

76,95% Ukrainian + 23,05% Southwest_English
59,77% East_German + 40,23% Lithuanian
53,52% Pole + 46,48% Sweden

Ukrainian 26%
Pole 18%
Lithuanian 13%
East_German 20%
Sweden 15%
Southwest_English 8%

R1b-L51
01-21-2025, 08:53 PM
99% Spanish_Andalucia + 1% Khomani_San
98% Spanish_Andalucia + 2% Madagascar_Temoro
98% Spanish_Andalucia + 2% Madagascar_Vezo
98% Spanish_Andalucia + 2% Madagascar_Mikea
99% Spanish_Andalucia + 1% Ju_hoan_North
96% Spanish_Andalucia + 4% Mari
99% Spanish_Andalucia + 1% Bakola
99% Spanish_Andalucia + 1% Bedzan
99% Spanish_Andalucia + 1% Baka
99% Spanish_Andalucia + 1% Biaka

ScandinavianCelt
01-21-2025, 08:54 PM
136766

66% Estonian + 34% Spanish_Penedes k13
22 + 11,3
68% Lithuanian_VZ + 32% Spanish_Castello k15
22,6 + 10,6
84% Ukrainian_Chernihiv + 16% Spanish_Pais_Vasco k36
28 + 5,3

bueno

cass
01-21-2025, 09:11 PM
Only with Polish matches:

Polish 35%
South_Polish 24%
Polish together 59%

+ Swedish 15%
+ East_German 26%

leachim_x
01-21-2025, 09:20 PM
K13
76% Welsh + 24% Sorb_Niederlausitz
K15
74% Welsh + 26% Sorb_Niederlausitz
K36
77% Danish + 23% Italian_Veneto

Ok PCA is garbage :lightbul: ;)

cass
01-21-2025, 09:25 PM
136766

66% Estonian + 34% Spanish_Penedes k13
22 + 11,3
68% Lithuanian_VZ + 32% Spanish_Castello k15
22,6 + 10,6
84% Ukrainian_Chernihiv + 16% Spanish_Pais_Vasco k36
28 + 5,3


Try to choose the first Polish correlation. Unless you actually have Spanish ancestors.

ScandinavianCelt
01-21-2025, 10:08 PM
K13
76% Welsh + 24% Sorb_Niederlausitz
K15
74% Welsh + 26% Sorb_Niederlausitz
K36
77% Danish + 23% Italian_Veneto

Ok PCA is garbage :lightbul: ;)

your pie chart:

https://i.postimg.cc/VkMD36fm/chart-1.png (https://postimages.org/)

Xavier727
01-21-2025, 10:17 PM
Couldn't quite figure it out

K13: 83% Welsh + 17% Lithuanian_VZ
K15: 84% Welsh + 16% Lithuanian_PA
K36: 91% Icelandic + 9% Basque_Soule

ScandinavianCelt
01-21-2025, 10:36 PM
Couldn't quite figure it out

K13: 83% Welsh + 17% Lithuanian_VZ
K15: 84% Welsh + 16% Lithuanian_PA
K36: 91% Icelandic + 9% Basque_Soule


Your pie chart:

https://i.postimg.cc/HnZnTXgK/chart-2.png (https://postimages.org/)

Xavier727
01-21-2025, 11:06 PM
Your pie chart:

https://i.postimg.cc/HnZnTXgK/chart-2.png (https://postimages.org/)

Nice one, thanks mate

Gallop
01-21-2025, 11:37 PM
Simulated now we only have these MDLP wORLD 22

Mine
90% Spanish_Peri-Barcelona + 10% Sorb_Niederlausitz
83% Spanish_Barcelones + 17% Macedonian

Father
86% Spanish_Barcelones + 14% Greek_Laconia
69% Spanish_Barcelones + 31% Italian_Bergamo

EasternLusitanian
01-21-2025, 11:57 PM
https://i.imgur.com/j8C7NiW.png

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 12:09 AM
Simulated now we only have these MDLP wORLD 22

Mine
90% Spanish_Peri-Barcelona + 10% Sorb_Niederlausitz
83% Spanish_Barcelones + 17% Macedonian

Father
86% Spanish_Barcelones + 14% Greek_Laconia
69% Spanish_Barcelones + 31% Italian_Bergamo

did you dump all your Eurogenes sims?

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 12:15 AM
https://i.imgur.com/j8C7NiW.png

Cool. Which Jewish group?

EasternLusitanian
01-22-2025, 12:44 AM
Cool. Which Jewish group?

North african jews, and the spanish is from the north

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 12:55 AM
North african jews, and the spanish is from the north

If you can, check out your Eurogenes K3 by full 22-chromosomes, and plot it on the PCAs. I think it will help with NA Jewish roots.

EasternLusitanian
01-22-2025, 02:08 AM
If you can, check out your Eurogenes K3 by full 22-chromosomes, and plot it on the PCAs. I think it will help with NA Jewish roots.

Eurogenes k3? Is it on Gedmatch? thats the only way i know of separating chromosomes

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 03:07 AM
Eurogenes k3? Is it on Gedmatch? thats the only way i know of separating chromosomes

I use Admixture Studio desktop app. The nMonte by chromosome on K3 would help you. It may be available for free on their site dnagenics.com but not sure. They have it.

Vitez
01-22-2025, 03:20 AM
64% Ukrainian_Dnipro 21.3 + 36% 12 French_Corsica
82 27.33 Croat + 18 6 French_Britanny
64% Polish 21.3+ 36% 12 Swiss_Italian

Croat 27.3
Ukrainian_Dnipro 21.3
Polish 21.3
French_Corsica 12
Swiss_Italian 12
French_Britanny 6

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 02:56 PM
64% Ukrainian_Dnipro 21.3 + 36% 12 French_Corsica
82 27.33 Croat + 18 6 French_Britanny
64% Polish 21.3+ 36% 12 Swiss_Italian

Croat 27.3
Ukrainian_Dnipro 21.3
Polish 21.3
French_Corsica 12
Swiss_Italian 12
French_Britanny 6


made your pie chart:

https://i.postimg.cc/RZXBqGXC/vitez.jpg (https://postimages.org/)