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Northern_Lights
01-22-2025, 03:17 PM
Continental_Celts,0.127684966819431,0.142327429007 988,0.0503404872358202,0.0192395858252593,0.041485 4350397277,0.00669090764852684,0.001787386974710 16,0.00414146950526908,0.0121328669248081,0.018100 070778461,-0.00336665857352812,0.00647207120351226,-0.014637754831191,-0.0100221911033682,0.0113711608360006,0.0028327874 691867,-0.00322413582369536,0.00169373835983936,0.00237985 526341098,-0.000769087479312371,0.00320635701793527,0.0024714 0187059724,-0.00171042528103427,0.0055008258869994,-0.000765053966565952
Insular_Celts,0.1321349175,0.1349918425,0.06155199 85,0.0467828,0.03887169175,0.017743561249999998,0. 00324759065,0.0053806449749999995,0.00450788212499 99994,0.0033032473750000003,-0.005701588175,0.0056620773,-0.012832713499999999,-0.01255070925,0.02311817275,0.004833676324999999,-0.00981695245,0.0023980349999999998,0.002192932987 5,0.001996115225,0.00441443335,0.0030651534,-0.00014245236,0.01358441925,-0.00018545033999999998
Germanics,0.13179969875,0.1290646375,0.06804929800 000001,0.0548698475,0.03963156600000001,0.02041261 1375,0.004941633862499999,0.0074452007,0.003487117 8,-0.003187401525,-0.00452396145,0.0028646916650000003,-0.006537411724999999,-0.007116615525,0.019107348625,0.0067317912875,-0.00676372375,0.002051317725,0.00219686845,0.00383 37934250000003,0.0054777143875,0.0036779191375,0.0 0141564822,0.013864949875000001,0.00069694700625
Balkans,0.126202,0.13372,0.046224,0.026481,0.03247 2,0.010267,0.005929,0.00687,-0.000001,-0.004081,-0.001267,-0.002853,0.005186,0.012856,-0.009196,-0.000841,0.003123,0.00013,0.004166,-0.001365,-0.004518,-0.00117,0.004377,-0.000147,-0.000744
Iberians,0.10962623055555551,0.14604768611111102,0 .038877163944444446,-0.0018582954611111116,0.042927236166666646,-0.002516221183333335,-0.0028217426722222253,0.002474342955555555,0.02465 28207222222,0.030324501222222196,-0.002259547944444445,0.00682934408888889,-0.013008148333333351,-0.01197859244444445,0.010485340388888889,-0.00046186387777777805,-0.00293099241111111,-0.000703448501111111,-0.003712965555555555,-0.001281482672222225,0.002315245744444445,-0.0016403316555555555,-0.0003253543722222251,-0.00244475387777778,0.000034861158333333495
Slavs,0.13113200974026,0.1267337,0.067393548701298 7,0.0555082103896104,0.03878263506493505,0.0210630 1233766235,0.009072796753246754,0.0110129688311688 5,-0.0012141318181818198,-0.01852764805194805,-0.003480893506493505,-0.007104914935064936,0.0132787142857143,0.02017618 506493505,-0.0092635766233766,-0.001222483766233765,0.0023170487012987,-0.000376816233766234,0.00279943896103896,0.0005217 94805194805,-0.0037463389610389603,-0.0038154967532467547,0.00520966948051948,-0.003113887012987015,-0.00001347532467532465
Balts,0.1341974,0.11830925,0.0882651,0.08638635,0. 042992550000000004,0.031891050000000004,0.01198555 ,0.014260950000000001,-0.0008794499999999999,-0.0326656,-0.0017539,-0.01308335,0.021340249999999998,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.0028838,0.0014667,-0.0014317000000000002,0.0014769499999999999,0.0032 5795,-0.0007051,-0.00379,0.0066676,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Italics,0.10555,0.146862,-0.004936,-0.039728,0.016488,-0.013576,-0.000542,-0.001055,0.006658,0.02124,0.003534,0.003364,-0.005619,0.00049,-0.00632,-0.004036,0.000862,-0.000083,0.003014,-0.00475,-0.001261,0.001736,-0.000896,0.00149,0.000148

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 04:35 PM
You could do North and South Germanic, Scandinavian, N & S Italy, E & W & S Slavs, E & W Iberian, E & W Balkans, Brittonic, and N-S-E-W Caucasian. N-African, East Med, India, Asia to follow?


My .5x with your samples:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 2.1185% / 0.02118466 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.8 Germanics
26.6 Insular_Celts
16.6 Balkans

Northern_Lights
01-22-2025, 05:02 PM
my idea would be something more simplified

cass
01-22-2025, 05:53 PM
I would use older samples and add Finns.
Here they overlap significantly.

Athalafuns
01-22-2025, 06:12 PM
As a Spaniard, my suggestion is to run it at ADC 0.5X because that is how it gave me the most accurate result, as I have been able to verify over time.

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.6879% / 0.01687860 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.4 Iberians
11.6 Insular_Celts

Compare it to all modern averages (ADC 0.5X too):

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.5362% / 0.01536205 | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.2 Spanish_Baleares
31.8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
22.4 Spanish_Galicia
12.6 Afrikaner

It is the same NW Celtic increase, only expressed in a different way. So that's what I recommend.

ScandinavianCelt
01-22-2025, 07:12 PM
my idea would be something more simplified

K5 I made:

Baltic,0.13470097,0.12160547,0.0865054,0.084327567 ,0.0433331,0.031640067,0.0115173,0.0149628,-0.0019498333,-0.032503767,-0.0028358333,-0.012569767,0.0215499,0.027972367,-0.0099376,0.0018589,0.0022485667,-0.00092666667,0.0021032,0.0031583333,-0.0023353667,-0.0046233333,0.0075835667,-0.0061097333,0.0016314
Eastern_Europe,0.12346545,0.13039415,0.03646579,0. 01797563,0.02604631,0.007269545,0.00579313,0.00556 838,-0.00167859,-0.003472275,-0.00123989,-0.00232213,0.004950285,0.011882555,-0.01010009,-0.00088958,0.00376194,0.00021465,0.00387631,-0.00136414,-0.0043774,-0.001290795,0.003776945,-0.00050347,-0.000255365
NW_European_Insular,0.13195895,0.13624812,0.061566 9,0.04563205,0.03951295,0.017458625,0.003591525,0. 005587,0.004822975,0.0041027,-0.00537925,0.0057116,-0.0129871,-0.011831,0.022559925,0.0043525,-0.010637925,0.002532175,0.002489125,0.002084125,0. 0049242,0.003018875,-0.0005973,0.01331705,0.0002651
Scandinavia,0.13126792,0.11705826,0.07401678,0.059 99792,0.03648572,0.0204985,0.00568374,0.00922804,0 .00378666,-0.00762762,-0.00221948,0.00116248,-0.00240692,-0.00562708,0.01507872,0.00499772,-0.00657604,0.0016184,0.00188422,0.00418644,0.00748 08,0.00230424,0.0005434,0.01174802,0.00074102
Western_Europe,0.12414691,0.1414363,0.044730878,0. 015629156,0.038361456,0.0057707667,0.0020969889,0. 0039780556,0.011096367,0.015554411,-0.0030705444,0.0047203,-0.0101619,-0.0065028444,0.0078387222,0.0016145333,-0.0021093,0.00068003333,0.0014078333,-0.00036565556,0.0020317889,0.00081228889,-0.00022383333,0.0040912,-0.0005527

K4

Eastern.v3,0.12400164,0.098450545,0.060454036,0.04 0294927,0.023248355,0.010504009,0.0072316091,0.008 7499727,0.00045570909,-0.010931927,0.0031689818,-0.0041586364,0.0097519,0.0071841091,-0.0098769545,-0.0016679909,0.0025459818,0.00032374545,0.00362104 55,-0.00013600909,-0.0052296818,0.0013521909,0.0088176636,-0.0034026909,-0.0016667909
Northern.v3,0.13251228,0.12521379,0.072143131,0.06 0420769,0.039289569,0.022109962,0.0063083769,0.009 0473154,0.0027818615,-0.0095897769,-0.0034595846,-0.00021613846,-0.00080473077,-0.00028021538,0.0121023,0.0039618385,-0.0059625308,0.0012991154,0.0021801538,0.002818407 7,0.0041255231,0.00094867692,0.0022713077,0.008621 3692,0.00099746923
Southern.v3,0.11635554,0.13998815,0.020723353,-0.011715282,0.025779782,-0.0042689,0.0019166412,0.0022428882,0.0061665118,0 .0156305,-0.00028247647,0.0027109412,-0.0046606118,0.0026634059,-0.0074683176,-0.00064252941,0.0042994471,-0.000014788235,0.0028796647,-0.0030553,-0.0038925059,-0.00055781176,0.0012494353,-0.00084897647,-0.00053961765
Western.v3,0.12834449,0.14080983,0.0473425,0.02085 7043,0.038445814,0.0080434286,0.0030651714,0.00444 72286,0.0084807286,0.012730214,-0.0033469143,0.0043196429,-0.0096776571,-0.0054964286,0.0068261143,0.0022384857,-0.0018286857,0.0011097429,0.0028532143,-0.00012185714,0.0021513857,0.0013323857,-0.00046827143,0.0052479714,-0.00078105714

gixajo
01-22-2025, 07:47 PM
Continental_Celts,0.127684966819431,0.142327429007 988,0.0503404872358202,0.0192395858252593,0.041485 4350397277,0.00669090764852684,0.001787386974710 16,0.00414146950526908,0.0121328669248081,0.018100 070778461,-0.00336665857352812,0.00647207120351226,-0.014637754831191,-0.0100221911033682,0.0113711608360006,0.0028327874 691867,-0.00322413582369536,0.00169373835983936,0.00237985 526341098,-0.000769087479312371,0.00320635701793527,0.0024714 0187059724,-0.00171042528103427,0.0055008258869994,-0.000765053966565952
Insular_Celts,0.1321349175,0.1349918425,0.06155199 85,0.0467828,0.03887169175,0.017743561249999998,0. 00324759065,0.0053806449749999995,0.00450788212499 99994,0.0033032473750000003,-0.005701588175,0.0056620773,-0.012832713499999999,-0.01255070925,0.02311817275,0.004833676324999999,-0.00981695245,0.0023980349999999998,0.002192932987 5,0.001996115225,0.00441443335,0.0030651534,-0.00014245236,0.01358441925,-0.00018545033999999998
Germanics,0.13179969875,0.1290646375,0.06804929800 000001,0.0548698475,0.03963156600000001,0.02041261 1375,0.004941633862499999,0.0074452007,0.003487117 8,-0.003187401525,-0.00452396145,0.0028646916650000003,-0.006537411724999999,-0.007116615525,0.019107348625,0.0067317912875,-0.00676372375,0.002051317725,0.00219686845,0.00383 37934250000003,0.0054777143875,0.0036779191375,0.0 0141564822,0.013864949875000001,0.00069694700625
Balkans,0.126202,0.13372,0.046224,0.026481,0.03247 2,0.010267,0.005929,0.00687,-0.000001,-0.004081,-0.001267,-0.002853,0.005186,0.012856,-0.009196,-0.000841,0.003123,0.00013,0.004166,-0.001365,-0.004518,-0.00117,0.004377,-0.000147,-0.000744
Iberians,0.10962623055555551,0.14604768611111102,0 .038877163944444446,-0.0018582954611111116,0.042927236166666646,-0.002516221183333335,-0.0028217426722222253,0.002474342955555555,0.02465 28207222222,0.030324501222222196,-0.002259547944444445,0.00682934408888889,-0.013008148333333351,-0.01197859244444445,0.010485340388888889,-0.00046186387777777805,-0.00293099241111111,-0.000703448501111111,-0.003712965555555555,-0.001281482672222225,0.002315245744444445,-0.0016403316555555555,-0.0003253543722222251,-0.00244475387777778,0.000034861158333333495
Slavs,0.13113200974026,0.1267337,0.067393548701298 7,0.0555082103896104,0.03878263506493505,0.0210630 1233766235,0.009072796753246754,0.0110129688311688 5,-0.0012141318181818198,-0.01852764805194805,-0.003480893506493505,-0.007104914935064936,0.0132787142857143,0.02017618 506493505,-0.0092635766233766,-0.001222483766233765,0.0023170487012987,-0.000376816233766234,0.00279943896103896,0.0005217 94805194805,-0.0037463389610389603,-0.0038154967532467547,0.00520966948051948,-0.003113887012987015,-0.00001347532467532465
Balts,0.1341974,0.11830925,0.0882651,0.08638635,0. 042992550000000004,0.031891050000000004,0.01198555 ,0.014260950000000001,-0.0008794499999999999,-0.0326656,-0.0017539,-0.01308335,0.021340249999999998,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.0028838,0.0014667,-0.0014317000000000002,0.0014769499999999999,0.0032 5795,-0.0007051,-0.00379,0.0066676,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Italics,0.10555,0.146862,-0.004936,-0.039728,0.016488,-0.013576,-0.000542,-0.001055,0.006658,0.02124,0.003534,0.003364,-0.005619,0.00049,-0.00632,-0.004036,0.000862,-0.000083,0.003014,-0.00475,-0.001261,0.001736,-0.000896,0.00149,0.000148




I get the same exact result&distance without penalty, with 0.25 and with 0.5.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9600% / 0.01959988
78.0 Iberians
22.0 Continental_Celts

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9600% / 0.01959988 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.0 Iberians
22.0 Continental_Celts

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9600% / 0.01959988 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.0 Iberians
22.0 Continental_Celts

gixajo
01-22-2025, 07:51 PM
K5 I made:



K5

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.5602% / 0.03560205
100.0 Western_Europe

K4

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.0248% / 0.04024774
74.4 Western.v3
25.6 Southern.v3

West Frisian
01-22-2025, 08:06 PM
Target: Jansen_Scaled
Distance: 0.6311% / 0.00631055 | ADC: 0.5x RC
81.2 Germanics
18.8 Insular_Celts

leachim_x
01-22-2025, 08:36 PM
Continental_Celts,0.127684966819431,0.142327429007 988,0.0503404872358202,0.0192395858252593,0.041485 4350397277,0.00669090764852684,0.001787386974710 16,0.00414146950526908,0.0121328669248081,0.018100 070778461,-0.00336665857352812,0.00647207120351226,-0.014637754831191,-0.0100221911033682,0.0113711608360006,0.0028327874 691867,-0.00322413582369536,0.00169373835983936,0.00237985 526341098,-0.000769087479312371,0.00320635701793527,0.0024714 0187059724,-0.00171042528103427,0.0055008258869994,-0.000765053966565952
Insular_Celts,0.1321349175,0.1349918425,0.06155199 85,0.0467828,0.03887169175,0.017743561249999998,0. 00324759065,0.0053806449749999995,0.00450788212499 99994,0.0033032473750000003,-0.005701588175,0.0056620773,-0.012832713499999999,-0.01255070925,0.02311817275,0.004833676324999999,-0.00981695245,0.0023980349999999998,0.002192932987 5,0.001996115225,0.00441443335,0.0030651534,-0.00014245236,0.01358441925,-0.00018545033999999998
Germanics,0.13179969875,0.1290646375,0.06804929800 000001,0.0548698475,0.03963156600000001,0.02041261 1375,0.004941633862499999,0.0074452007,0.003487117 8,-0.003187401525,-0.00452396145,0.0028646916650000003,-0.006537411724999999,-0.007116615525,0.019107348625,0.0067317912875,-0.00676372375,0.002051317725,0.00219686845,0.00383 37934250000003,0.0054777143875,0.0036779191375,0.0 0141564822,0.013864949875000001,0.00069694700625
Balkans,0.126202,0.13372,0.046224,0.026481,0.03247 2,0.010267,0.005929,0.00687,-0.000001,-0.004081,-0.001267,-0.002853,0.005186,0.012856,-0.009196,-0.000841,0.003123,0.00013,0.004166,-0.001365,-0.004518,-0.00117,0.004377,-0.000147,-0.000744
Iberians,0.10962623055555551,0.14604768611111102,0 .038877163944444446,-0.0018582954611111116,0.042927236166666646,-0.002516221183333335,-0.0028217426722222253,0.002474342955555555,0.02465 28207222222,0.030324501222222196,-0.002259547944444445,0.00682934408888889,-0.013008148333333351,-0.01197859244444445,0.010485340388888889,-0.00046186387777777805,-0.00293099241111111,-0.000703448501111111,-0.003712965555555555,-0.001281482672222225,0.002315245744444445,-0.0016403316555555555,-0.0003253543722222251,-0.00244475387777778,0.000034861158333333495
Slavs,0.13113200974026,0.1267337,0.067393548701298 7,0.0555082103896104,0.03878263506493505,0.0210630 1233766235,0.009072796753246754,0.0110129688311688 5,-0.0012141318181818198,-0.01852764805194805,-0.003480893506493505,-0.007104914935064936,0.0132787142857143,0.02017618 506493505,-0.0092635766233766,-0.001222483766233765,0.0023170487012987,-0.000376816233766234,0.00279943896103896,0.0005217 94805194805,-0.0037463389610389603,-0.0038154967532467547,0.00520966948051948,-0.003113887012987015,-0.00001347532467532465
Balts,0.1341974,0.11830925,0.0882651,0.08638635,0. 042992550000000004,0.031891050000000004,0.01198555 ,0.014260950000000001,-0.0008794499999999999,-0.0326656,-0.0017539,-0.01308335,0.021340249999999998,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.0028838,0.0014667,-0.0014317000000000002,0.0014769499999999999,0.0032 5795,-0.0007051,-0.00379,0.0066676,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Italics,0.10555,0.146862,-0.004936,-0.039728,0.016488,-0.013576,-0.000542,-0.001055,0.006658,0.02124,0.003534,0.003364,-0.005619,0.00049,-0.00632,-0.004036,0.000862,-0.000083,0.003014,-0.00475,-0.001261,0.001736,-0.000896,0.00149,0.000148


Hey this is awesome! :thumbs
It separates the groups very well from each other and makes a good and reasonable distinction! Slavs and Germanic tribes are further apart at g25 than Celts and Germanic tribes... that's just the way it is. That's why there's this hole.

lé holé...lé there. In lé rêd aréa...
https://i.ibb.co/sPwhDqF/Vahaduo-Global-25-Northwest-Europe-PCA-22.png

You could throw in East-Germanic or Southern Germanic samples to fill out the Gap a little bit. If you find those samples. (the yellow spots are the original preset samples from g25. Don't know how you find and identify them) You could add something...but you don't need to.
It gives a good distinction for this meta tribal ethnic composition imo. Great job!!! :thumb001: :thumb001:

https://i.ibb.co/1dxL5tq/Vahaduo-Global-25-Northwest-Europe-PCA-23.png

Sry Balts didn't make it on the map in this zoom. Too far NE.

PaulieVanZant
01-22-2025, 08:43 PM
Target: Paule_Scaled
Distance: 1.4048% / 0.01404808
78.4 Germanics
14.0 Continental_Celts
7.0 Slavs
0.6 Insular_Celts

leachim_x
01-22-2025, 08:44 PM
Distance to: Leachim_K36
0.01968675 Insular_Celts
0.02631452 Germanics
0.03191447 Continental_Celts
0.04521380 Balkans
0.05798310 Slavs
0.06844187 Iberians
0.09226909 Balts
0.11744682 Italics

Target: Leachim_K36
Distance: 1.0418% / 0.01041752
51.6 Insular_Celts
31.2 Continental_Celts
16.0 Slavs
1.2 Balkans

i hardly get any Germanic mixtures...but thats just g25...

Target: Leachim_K36
Distance: 1.1037% / 0.01103685 | ADC: 1x RC
64.8 Insular_Celts
21.0 Balkans
14.2 Continental_Celts

Target: Leachim_K36
Distance: 1.2060% / 0.01205994 | R4P | ADC: 2x RC
55.8 Germanics
44.2 Continental_Celts

Continental Celtic + Germanic should be my main groups in reality...

Solitude
01-22-2025, 08:48 PM
Target: NightmareCity_scaled
Distance: 2.1044% / 0.02104357
60.2 Iberians
14.4 Yoruba
10.2 Luhya_Kenya
9.6 South_Amerindian
5.4 Germanics
0.2 Continental_Celts

Gannicus
01-23-2025, 12:38 AM
Distance to: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
0.02427441 Insular_Celts
0.03389192 Continental_Celts
0.03639135 Germanics
0.06352514 Balkans
0.06502218 Iberians
0.07898836 Slavs
0.11003386 Balts
0.11740386 Italics

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0200% / 0.02002781
77.5 Insular_Celts
13.5 Iberians
9.0 Continental_Celts

Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0202% / 0.02024091 | ADC: 0.5x RC
67.0 Insular_Celts
33.0 Continental_Celts

This list doesn't assign any Germanic for me.

In my opinion it needs more samples. I'm working on a smaller list myself based on the other Celto Germanic calculator I have posted on the forums