Archaeogenetics of your eye pigmentation [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Athalafuns

01-24-2025, 02:57 PM

I'm doing a little experiment here. You can help me with suggestions and also replicate it yourself.

Since eye color is a very noticeable and popular genetic trait, and since those genes are located on our chromosomes 15, you can take a look at the type of populations that predominate on that chromosome.

Here I used K36, both modern and ancient, from the coordinates shared by our colleague ScandinavianCelt in this other thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?392027-K36-RAW-Reverse-Regional-vs-your-full-22-chromosomes-Best-fits).

https://i.postimg.cc/J41LsnYk/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Target: RNB27_chr15_ K36_modern
Distance: 37.1077% / 37.10770666
40.3 German_Lower_Silesia
30.4 Greek_Central
27.3 French_Southwest
1.1 North_Macedonian
0.9 Greek_Thrace

Distance to: RNB27_chr15_ K36_modern
40.34862575 Romanian_Northwest
41.15155647 North_Macedonian
41.46111672 Moldova_Centre
41.67872479 German_Lower_Silesia
41.70113787 Austrian_Tyrol

Target: RNB27_chr15_K36_ancient
Distance: 28.2768% / 28.27679856
28.8 Poland_Corded_Ware_RISE1_Wielkopolska
17.6 Anatolia_Bar100
16.8 Hungary_KO1
13.1 Sweden_Neolithic_Gokhem7
12.5 Bell_Beaker_France_I2575
8.6 Serbia_NG21_10_Gomolava_6600_years
2.6 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Malopolska_I4251

Distance to: RNB27_chr15_K36_ancient
36.36675405 Scythian_DA197
39.70008690 Tripolye_I3151
39.88653532 Szolad__Bronze_Age_SZ1
39.91667446 Slovakia_Tes_Mlynany:R2209___AD_400
39.97262939 Crusader_SI47_Kingdom_Of_Ierusalim

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But converting my coordinates of this chromosome to G25 the results are somewhat different:

Target: RNB27_chr15_ G25sim_modern
Distance: 1.8135% / 0.01813507 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.8 Italian_Northeast
29.8 Spanish_Soria
14.6 Montenegrin
12.4 Chuvash
1.4 Ju_hoan_North

Distance to: RNB27_chr15_ G25sim_modern
0.03800875 Italian_Northeast
0.03853268 French_Provence
0.04097102 Romanian
0.04147217 Swiss_German
0.04210369 French_Alsace

Any suggestions on how to interpret these results? To me it looks like Poland Corded Ware -> Germany Bell Beaker -> Celtic ethnogenesis.

Beowulf

01-24-2025, 09:53 PM

<tbody>
Distance to:
Chromosome_15

0.07384200
Carpathian_Basin:Hungarian

0.07625812
Balkan:Croatian

0.07778236
Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope:Austrian

0.07863142
Balkan:Romanian

0.07885539
Balkan:Serbian

0.07942630
Volga_Ural:Mordovian

0.08008675
Balkan:Slovenian

0.08107462
Balkan:Bulgarian

0.08276402
Anatolia:Turkish_West

0.08302117
Carpathian_Basin:Slovakian

0.08350241
Central_Europe:Czech

0.08413021
East_Europe:Ukrainian_West

0.08493924
Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope:German

0.08695083
Germanic_People_of_CentralEurope:Swiss_German

0.08701872
France:French_North

0.08828455
East_Europe:Russian_West

0.08847534
East_Europe:Russian_Northwest

0.08880230
Central_Europe:Polish

0.08982667
East_Europe:Ukrainian_East

0.09126600
Great_Britain_Ireland:Orcadian

0.09180162
Scandinavia:Norwegian

0.09201816
Scandinavia:Swedish

0.09354770
Finland_Karelia_Ingria:Ingrian

0.09362127
France:French_Central

0.09422861
Finland_Karelia_Ingria:Finnish

</tbody>

Target: Chromosome_15
Distance: 4.3856% / 0.04385596
29.8 Baltic_States
28.4 Sardinia
12.6 Volga_Ural
10.2 North_Caucasus
10.0 Central_Asia
7.0 West_Siberia
2.0 Carpathian_Basin

I guess my eyes are Baltic now :p

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 04:43 PM

I am using other coordinates here for the same chromosome. K13 to G25. It seems to confirm my hint of Celtic ethnogenesis (Hallstatt Culture) in the archaeogenetic origin of my eye pigmentation.

Target: chr15
Distance: 2.2147% / 0.02214671 | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.8 Austrian
31.8 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
18.4 Swiss_French
9.2 BelgianA
6.6 Darginian
0.2 Turkish_West_Macedonia

Distance to: chr15
0.03076360 French_Alsace
0.03231977 Swiss_German
0.03342443 French_Nord
0.03417455 BelgianB
0.03443424 Austrian
0.03524075 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.03532098 BelgianC
0.03570432 Swiss_French
0.03624872 Italian_Northeast
0.03626012 French_Provence
0.03687905 BelgianA
0.03755666 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03793523 French_Auvergne
0.03847404 French_Occitanie
0.03871734 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03893830 Montenegrin
0.03900860 German_Erlangen
0.03925297 Romanian
0.03927484 French_Paris
0.03966779 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03990234 German
0.04007939 Serbian
0.04197757 Croatian
0.04306576 Moldovan
0.04388482 Afrikaner

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 04:46 PM

Can something similar be done for our hair colour just for fun? :D

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 04:53 PM

This is how it looks in my Early Celtic differentiation test. High correlation with Czech samples, which is related to the K36 result from the first post showing the German_Lower_Silesia percentage.

Target: chr15
Distance: 1.2607% / 0.01260673 | ADC: 0.5x RC
34.2 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt
18.8 Slovenia_EIA
16.4 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA
11.0 Ukraine_Poltava_Scythian_LeftDnipro_LocEl_EIA
10.2 Russia_Koban_EIA
9.4 Croatia_EIA

Distance to: chr15
0.02989601 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I15071__BC_675__Cov_27.87%
0.03326938 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13798__BC_1100__Cov_69.68%
0.03390030 Slovenia_LBA:I5697__BC_849__Cov_80.12%
0.03434044 Croatia_MLBA:I18732__BC_1150__Cov_52.93%
0.03454758 Slovenia_EIA:I5690__BC_624__Cov_82.13%
0.03527034 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13795__BC_1085__Cov_73.67%
0.03590852 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13796__BC_1050__Cov_69.71%
0.03681032 Croatia_MLBA:I18739__BC_1150__Cov_42.74%
0.03746909 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan:CAM002__BC_639__Cov_6 5.71%
0.03816369 Croatia_EIA:I5727__BC_636__Cov_53.43%
0.03846627 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16088__BC_643__Cov_34.39%
0.03921260 England_LBA_highEEF:I13617__BC_1136__Cov_40.70%
0.03926218 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15955__BC_1109__Cov_55.43%
0.03931424 Croatia_MLBA:I18734__BC_1150__Cov_38.29%
0.03956547 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15958__BC_1100__Cov_61.05%
0.03960160 Croatia_Bezdanjaca_BA:I18717__BC_1150__Cov_44.08%
0.03963335 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I15041__BC_1100__Cov_67.07%
0.03981487 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18246__BC_775__C ov_67.64%
0.04008352 Croatia_MLBA:I18727__BC_1150__Cov_39.21%
0.04097422 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I13783__BC_1072__Cov_69.75%
0.04113971 Czechia_IA_Hallstatt:I16327__BC_642__Cov_42.02%
0.04159807 Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA:MBG017__BC_616__Cov_73.49%
0.04191506 Croatia_MLBA:I18417__BC_1150__Cov_62.47%
0.04208695 Hungary_EIA_Prescythian_Mezocsat:I18239__BC_775__C ov_66.49%
0.04228105 Croatia_EIA:I5729__BC_970__Cov_55.77%

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 05:02 PM

Can something similar be done for our hair colour just for fun? :D
Perhaps it could be done, although using more chromosomes:

These SNPs are on chromosome 16 (where the MC1R gene is located) for red hair, on chromosome 15 (where the HERC2 gene is located) for brown and light versus dark, and on chromosome 6 (where the RPS6KA2 gene is located) for black hair color.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4584317/

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 05:15 PM

Perhaps it could be done, although using more chromosomes:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4584317/

So we would need to mix all those chromosomes into some simulated coordinates right?

We can try using this tool https://www.exploreyourdna.com/average-g25.aspx

Damião de Góis

01-25-2025, 05:17 PM

Not sure if i did this right, it gave me very random results for chromosome 15:

https://i.imgur.com/iWYftD2.jpg

Target: Chr_15_K36
Distance: 2196.8945% / 21.96894545
26.6 Greek_Thrace
24.6 Sardinian
16.8 Russian_Kaluga
11.8 Greek_Kythira
8.4 Greek_Istanbul
8.0 Greek_Cyclades
3.8 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria

Target: Chr_15_K36
Distance: 2234.5093% / 22.34509340 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.0 Greek_Thrace
36.4 Moldova_South
22.6 Sardinian

Distance to: Chr_15_K36
24.72338974 Greek_Euboea
24.98143311 Albanian
25.03754581 Greek_Northeast
25.64112712 Greek_Thrace
25.67161857 Moldovan
25.82367518 Moldova_South
25.92954492 Italian_Veneto
26.05654812 Greek
26.05678031 Albanian_Montenegro
26.05683787 Bulgarian
26.17010890 Albanian_North
26.40120831 Greek_Central-Macedonia
26.45662110 Italian
26.49381815 Greek_Peloponnese
26.60314643 Albanian_South
26.63192257 Albanian_North_Macedonia
26.71140206 Albanian_Kosovo
26.89596252 Greek_Istanbul
26.93111955 Italian_Val_Borbera
26.96131673 North_Macedonian
27.02545652 Romanian_Southeast
27.24417185 Greek_Cyclades
27.35396863 Italian_Apulia
27.75991895 Italian_North
27.78917235 Romanian

I used this option on gedmatch and got my results from there:

https://i.imgur.com/hZLi43m.png

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 05:23 PM

So we would need to mix all those chromosomes into some simulated coordinates right?

We can try using this tool https://www.exploreyourdna.com/average-g25.aspx

I would try both the mixture and the separate chromosomes.

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 05:24 PM

I would try both the mixture and the separate chromosomes.

Okay!! Tell me later if it's worth to give it a try! :)

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 05:24 PM

Not sure if i did this right, it gave me very random results for chromosome 15
Yes, it is random, I don't think it's right. Something went wrong, maybe when copying the percentages?

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 05:46 PM

Okay!! Tell me later if it's worth to give it a try! :)
It does look interesting. I recommend doing it separately rather than mixing the chromosomes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4584317/

These SNPs are on chromosome 16 (where the MC1R gene is located) for red hair, on chromosome 15 (where the HERC2 gene is located) for brown and light versus dark, and on chromosome 6 (where the RPS6KA2 gene is located) for black hair color.

My chromosome 6 is very Spanish so that explains the dark hair. In 16 (which is related to the beard, apparently) I also have a lot of Central Europe as in 15, which fits the phenotype.

Target: chr6
Distance: 3.1196% / 0.03119597 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.0 Spanish_Navarra
22.6 French_Paris
6.4 Iranian_Bandari_Zanji

Target: chr16
Distance: 1.9196% / 0.01919554 | ADC: 0.5x RC
77.6 Czech
13.2 Spanish_Canarias
4.8 Tunisian_Rbaya
4.4 Sudan_Arab_Rashaayda

https://i.postimg.cc/ZngR4GSj/Screenshot_2025-01-25_at_18-21-29_I_need_help_(Classify_&_Pass).png (https://postimages.org/)

The average of those three pigmentation chromosomes gave me this:

Target: average
Distance: 1.2762% / 0.01276163 | ADC: 0.5x RC
77.0 French_Alsace
23.0 Spanish_Canarias

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 05:51 PM

It does look interesting. I recommend doing it separately rather than mixing the chromosomes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4584317/

My chromosome 6 is very Spanish so that explains the dark hair. In 16 (which is related to the beard, apparently) I also have a lot of Central Europe as in 15, which fits the phenotype.

Target: chr6
Distance: 3.1196% / 0.03119597 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.0 Spanish_Navarra
22.6 French_Paris
6.4 Iranian_Bandari_Zanji

Target: chr16
Distance: 1.9196% / 0.01919554 | ADC: 0.5x RC
77.6 Czech
13.2 Spanish_Canarias
4.8 Tunisian_Rbaya
4.4 Sudan_Arab_Rashaayda

https://i.postimg.cc/ZngR4GSj/Screenshot_2025-01-25_at_18-21-29_I_need_help_(Classify_&_Pass).png (https://postimages.org/)

The average of those three pigmentation chromosomes gave me this:

Target: average
Distance: 1.2762% / 0.01276163 | ADC: 0.5x RC
77.0 French_Alsace
23.0 Spanish_Canarias

Target: chromo-16
Distance: 0.0333% / 0.03326960
40.8 France
40.4 Scandinavia
7.6 Arabia
6.9 West_North_Africa
3.7 Volga_Ural
0.6 West_Siberia

Target: chromo-6
Distance: 0.0194% / 0.01941273
49.1 Iberian_Penninsula
45.5 France
3.2 South_Caucasus
2.2 West_North_Africa

Target: Average
Distance: 0.0163% / 0.01630682
40.9 Iberian_Penninsula
34.7 France
17.1 Great_Britain_Ireland
3.2 West_North_Africa
2.6 Arabia
1.5 Volga_Ural

How can i interpret this?

All that i know is that the red hair in our family can be traced back to my Polish great great granda.

Solitude

01-25-2025, 05:52 PM

Perhaps it could be done, although using more chromosomes:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4584317/

my hair and eyes color is brown , results is good to chr15 but not too much to chr16 in my merged

Target: chr15merged
Distance: 1059.6353% / 10.59635294
38.2 Mende_Sierra_Leone
13.8 Spanish_Castello
13.2 Italian_Tuscany
12.2 Brahui
7.2 Spanish_Barcelones
6.0 Spanish_Galicia
4.4 Eskimo
3.0 Dinka
2.0 Todzin

Target: chr16merged
Distance: 1296.1493% / 12.96149349
28.2 Spanish_Cantabria
23.2 Cornish
14.2 German_Frisian
7.6 Karitiana
7.6 Yoruba
6.2 Mende_Sierra_Leone
4.4 Gambian
4.4 Masai
4.2 Polish_Sudovia

Target: chr15merged
Distance: 1157.6251% / 11.57625128 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.4 Mende_Sierra_Leone
26.8 Spanish_Galicia
14.8 Italian_Tuscany
10.8 Makrani
8.2 Shor
2.0 Bantu_Kenya

Target: chr16merged
Distance: 1423.3758% / 14.23375787 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.0 Spanish_Valencia
32.4 German_Frisian
24.2 Luhya_Kenya
8.4 Quechua

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 06:00 PM

How can i interpret this? All that i know is that the red hair in our family can be traced back to my Polish great great granda.
Your Polish redhead genes are probably within that which the calculator labeled as 40.4% Scandinavia on your chromosome 16 :thumb001:

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 06:01 PM

Your Polish redhead genes are probably within that which the calculator labeled as 40.4% Scandinavia on your chromosome 16 :thumb001:

Cool! Now i can say that my hair is half Nordic! :p

Damião de Góis

01-25-2025, 06:08 PM

Yes, it is random, I don't think it's right. Something went wrong, maybe when copying the percentages?

It's correct, i just have strange results on chromossome 15 with 0% iberian, 23% italian and 11.8% Voga-Ural:

https://i.imgur.com/qmhP96N.png

But i'm not sure if k36 is the most accurate of calculators:

Distance to: Gil_Vicente
8.30575704 Portuguese
8.71720712 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
8.75998288 Spanish_Penedes
8.79866467 Portuguese_Azores
8.84413365 Spanish_Barcelones
9.21751051 Spanish
9.24791868 Spanish_Mallorca
9.35093043 Spanish_Lleida
9.48714920 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
9.77207245 Spanish_Baleares
9.89451363 Spanish_Alacant
10.03925794 Spanish_Girona
10.27820023 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
10.41389456 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
10.56416111 Spanish_Galicia
10.60884065 Spanish_Valencia
10.97973479 French_Provence
11.20552096 Spanish_Pirineu
11.28105048 Spanish_Canarias
11.29961061 Spanish_Eivissa
11.90941644 Spanish_Andalusia
11.93348231 French_Central
12.40227399 Italian_Aosta
12.74470478 Spanish_Castello
13.01056878 Swiss_Italian

leachim_x

01-25-2025, 06:11 PM

Target: chr15
Distance: 2535.1758% / 25.35175783
44.6 German_East_Prussia_Central
23.8 German_Lower_Saxony_North
15.8 Sardinian
11.4 Faroese
4.4 Irish_Connacht

Distance to: chr15
27.41974289 German_Lower_Saxony_North
27.58804451 Scottish_East
27.61910209 Scottish_Highlands
27.71773981 German_East_Prussia_Central
27.98352730 Irish_Connacht
28.02750435 German_Schleswig-Holstein
28.05985032 Irish
28.10935609 Dutch_North
28.11207570 Irish_Munster
28.17924413 Scottish
28.21040588 German_Northwest
28.42017065 German_Westphalia
28.56969198 Welsh
28.71347071 British_Ulster
28.73116775 Irish_Leinster
28.73923973 German_Frisian
28.84676585 Dutch
28.88311964 Irish_Ulster
28.95940607 German_Lower_Saxony_South
28.98439580 English_West-Midlands
28.99699812 Dutch_Central
28.99715676 Faroese
29.01535800 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
29.05652250 Scottish_Orkney
29.08566485 English_Yorkshire

Where you have that image from RNB? Is there an eye color predictor based on K36 out there?

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 06:12 PM

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 06:13 PM

...
I got the most reliable results converting K13 chromosomes to G25. Try that way to see if it works better.

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 06:15 PM

Where you have that image from RNB? Is there an eye color predictor based on K36 out there?
It's my eye as Beowulf said.

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 06:20 PM

Distance to: chr15
27.41974289 German_Lower_Saxony_North
27.58804451 Scottish_East
27.61910209 Scottish_Highlands
27.71773981 German_East_Prussia_Central
27.98352730 Irish_Connacht
28.02750435 German_Schleswig-Holstein
28.05985032 Irish
28.10935609 Dutch_North
28.11207570 Irish_Munster
28.17924413 Scottish
28.21040588 German_Northwest
28.42017065 German_Westphalia
28.56969198 Welsh
28.71347071 British_Ulster
28.73116775 Irish_Leinster
28.73923973 German_Frisian
28.84676585 Dutch
28.88311964 Irish_Ulster
28.95940607 German_Lower_Saxony_South
28.98439580 English_West-Midlands
28.99699812 Dutch_Central
28.99715676 Faroese
29.01535800 German_Mecklenburg_Center/East
29.05652250 Scottish_Orkney
29.08566485 English_Yorkshire
This sounds like it's referring to the Dutch Bell Beakers who conquered the islands, right? That seems to be the post-Corded source of your light color.

Beowulf

01-25-2025, 06:24 PM

Wanted to try anotehr experiment, this time with my maternal Grandma, she's the one with polish ancestry!

Target: chromo-5
Distance: 0.0120% / 0.01200724
49.3 Balkan
25.8 France
13.1 East_Europe
4.8 South_Caucasus
3.0 Southeast_Asia
2.7 Volga_Ural
0.9 West_North_Africa
0.4 West_Siberia
--------------------------------

Target: chromo-16
Distance: 0.0572% / 0.05723659
41.4 Iberian_Penninsula
33.7 Baltic_States
9.0 Volga_Ural
4.8 France
3.4 Oceania_Melanesia
3.4 South_Africa
3.0 West_Siberia
1.0 Sudan
0.3 Central_Africa

(she's also red haired of course)

For the eye colour:

Target: chromo-15
Distance: 0.0235% / 0.02350142
36.9 France
26.5 South_Caucasus
17.2 Great_Britain_Ireland
17.2 Iberian_Penninsula
2.0 Southern_East_Africa
0.2 Sudan

(She has green hazel eyes like me)

leachim_x

01-25-2025, 06:27 PM

This sounds like it's referring to the Dutch Bell Beakers who conquered the islands, right? That seems to be the post-Corded source of your light color.

Thx, but...i have 0 knowledge about that. + Eye colour of ancient people. I'm also not sure if the traits are validated or representative for this ancient groups?!
Do you think this is the case?

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 06:28 PM

Wanted to try anotehr experiment, this time with my maternal Grandma, she's the one with polish ancestry!
It seems to work fine :thumb001:

Solitude

01-25-2025, 06:29 PM

Chr's K13 result is too different from K36 at least to Chr16 so i don't know what would be better

Target: K13chr15merged
Distance: 1293.3324% / 12.93332424
46.6 Nigeria_Esan
39.2 Spanish_Central_&_South
5.8 Even
3.4 Arunthathiyar
3.2 Maya
1.8 Papuan

Target: K13chr16merged
Distance: 783.1690% / 7.83168973
43.2 Norwegian_Southcentral
22.6 Yoruban
19.0 Swedish
6.4 Mandinka
4.4 Karitiana
4.0 French_Aquitaine
0.4 Saudi

Target: K13chr15merged
Distance: 1426.1598% / 14.26159816 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.0 Mandinka
40.6 Spanish_Central_&_South
9.4 Greenlandic_Inuit_East

Target: K13chr16merged
Distance: 1045.1121% / 10.45112071 | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.6 Swedish
34.0 Dutch_Central
19.8 Mandinka
8.0 Bantu_Eastcentral_Africa
0.6 Dutch_South

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 06:37 PM

Thx, but...i have 0 knowledge about that. + Eye colour of ancient people. I'm also not sure if the traits are validated or representative for this ancient groups?!
Do you think this is the case?
It seems that your chromosome 15 is rich in genes from a population group related to both Northern Germany/Netherlands and to the less Germanic regions of the islands. That fits with the Bronze Age Dutch Bell Beaker conquest. The fact that you get Ireland listed high on the list would confirm this, as the Irish have a lot of genetic heritage from that time.

These Bell Beakers were a western extension of the Corded Ware Culture. That is the archaeogenetic pathway of your light eye pigmentation.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrYb5ngm/1157px-Beaker-culture-diffusion-svg.png (https://postimg.cc/n9zP9fHV)

Solitude

01-25-2025, 07:55 PM

I got the most reliable results converting K13 chromosomes to G25. Try that way to see if it works better.

Rnb what your chr's have highest Iberian , French and North sea and what values from each one?

Solitude

01-25-2025, 08:44 PM

This sounds like it's referring to the Dutch Bell Beakers who conquered the islands, right? That seems to be the post-Corded source of your light color.

here Chromosome 14 have 34,7% Iberian , Chr 3 19,4% French without mixed pops and Chr 10 without mixed pops 32,3% North sea in my merged , i had a website that you can check manually what region where each snp was common but i trying to find to post here , so would be interesting you check manually chr's that have the highest component , check each snp

Athalafuns

01-25-2025, 09:09 PM

Rnb what your chr's have highest Iberian , French and North sea and what values from each one?
56.5% Iberian on Chr6
21.6% French on Chr17
22.6% North_Sea on Chr17

EasternLusitanian

01-27-2025, 01:41 AM

Target: MV-chromo-15
Distance: 0.0250% / 0.02502822 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.2 Spain_Navarra_EIA:ERE004_ss.A0101__BC_783__Cov_25. 41%
25.3 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_2_EIA:UKR 036__BC_600__Cov_54.88%
13.1 Armenia_LBA_EIA_o:I18247__BC_1175__Cov_67.13%
7.5 Italy_Sardinia_IA_Punic_1:VIL011__BC_804__Cov_31.3 6%
7.5 Croatia_EIA:I23995__BC_779__Cov_68.95%
4.9 England_LBA_highEEF:I13617__BC_1136__Cov_40.70%
4.4 Ukraine_Kharkiv_Scythian_SivDon_Nom_EIA:UKR113__BC _600__Cov_52.93%
1.1 Serbia_LBA:I16814__BC_953__Cov_63.38%
0.7 Croatia_EIA:I5725__BC_604__Cov_54.17%
0.3 Croatia_EIA:I5727__BC_636__Cov_53.43%

From RNB's Discerning Celtic calc. Ive got basic brown eyes, does this fit?

unmoggable

01-27-2025, 05:19 AM

Target: chr15
Distance: 16.6680% / 16.66799258
90.1 German_Frisian
9.9 Spanish_Eivissa

Distance to: chr15
17.00446706 German_Frisian
18.63000805 German_Lower_Saxony_South
19.20077603 Irish_Connacht
19.25513178 German_Westphalia
19.27023352 English_Yorkshire
19.29846626 English_East
19.37273342 Scottish_Highlands
19.37505097 English_Southwest
19.38974471 Scottish_East
19.42249726 British_Ulster
19.46129235 Dutch_Central
19.48181203 German_Northwest
19.48204301 English_Lancashire
19.48392158 Irish
19.48757040 Icelandic
19.56054191 Irish_Munster
19.56731714 Dutch_North
19.57476692 Scottish_Southwest
19.71622682 British
19.72279645 English
19.77899391 Irish_Ulster
19.78968671 English_Southeast
19.83318683 Welsh
19.89608756 German_Lower_Saxony_North
19.97771008 English_East-Midlands

Target: chr15
Distance: 7.1274% / 7.12739540
53.9 Finland_Orismala_Levanluhta_JK2065
7.0 Portugal_Vale_Ouro
6.9 England_EBA_I7639
6.5 Beaker_Iberia_I6471
5.9 Poland_Maslomecz_5
5.0 Sweden_Viking_kls001
4.0 Poland_Niemsza_18
3.8 Bell_Beaker_Silesia_I6581
3.0 Hungary_Vatya_RISE254
2.6 North_Africa_Taforalt2_12000-13000_BC
0.6 Iran_Hotu-IIIb_Mesolithic_9100-8600_BC
0.6 Sweden_Viking_84035
0.2 Lchashen_I1656

Distance to: chr15
14.42796590 Finland_Orismala_Levanluhta_JK2065
15.21945794 Niederlanden_BA_I4071
15.91131987 Bell_Beaker_RISE563
16.01412502 England_Roman_York_Gladiator:6DRIF-18
16.09112799 Sweden_Viking_Sigtuna_nuf002
16.50219985 Collegno_CL145_Langobard
17.16419529 England_Roman_York_Gladiator:6DRIF-3
17.30581116 England_Anglo-Saxon_Teesside:NO3423
17.53475976 Collegno_CL93_Langobard
17.63117410 Poland_Proto-Unetice_Wielkopolska_RISE431
17.66528234 Szolad_SZ30_Celtic
17.77378407 Germany_Bell_Beaker_I0112
18.17763186 Collegno_CL151_Langobard
18.95239827 Bell_Beaker_Samborzec_I4253
19.04105302 Scythian_scy303
19.07782744 Sweden_Viking_stg026
19.10828878 Great_Britain_Hinxton-5
19.24342225 Germany_Lusatian_I0099
19.34403267 Croatia_Scitarjevo:R3660___AD_497
19.47327399 Sweden_Viking_gtm021
19.54905880 Szolad_SZ12_Langobard
19.68810809 England_LBA_I5383
19.77823298 Sweden_Battle_Axe_RISE94
19.79352925 Great_Britain_Hinxton-3
19.80423440 Crusader_SI39_Kingdom_Of_Ierusalim

Feiichy

01-27-2025, 07:56 AM

My ach.15 is heavily eastern European which would fit my gray eye color, as gray eyes are generally more eastern than western trait.

Distance to: Feiichy_chromosome_15
21.83403078 Ukrainian_Cossack
22.35233321 Ukrainian_Zhitomir
22.44732946 Russian_Don_Cossack
22.50678786 Ukrainian_Sumi
22.55591275 Ukrainian_Carpathian_Rusyns
22.65343241 Ukrainian_Lviv
22.65896291 Russian_Kursk
22.72357366 Russian_Smolensk
22.78725082 Ukrainian
22.87647263 Belarusian
23.04367158 Polish
23.24006239 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
23.41136476 Russian_Voronezh
23.47200460 Polish_Mazovia
23.48013629 Russian_Tambov
23.54035259 Ukrainian_Rivne
23.76495529 Ukrainian_Dnipro
23.90771005 Russian_Orel
23.96047996 Russian_Belgorod
24.14711991 Polish_South
24.17050268 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
24.26789031 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
24.43491150 Polish_Wielkopolska
24.45654718 Moldova_North
24.48999183 Polish_Upper_Silesia

Target: Feiichy_chromosome_15
Distance: 20.5110% / 20.51095590 | R5P
44.6 Ukrainian_Cossack
31.2 Russian_Kursk
24.2 Moldova_Centre

cass

01-27-2025, 09:51 AM

My chr15 indicates a somehow very ancient period related to the GAC distribution. Geographically, it is very close and probably correctly indicates population continuity for 5,000 years.

Target: chr15
Distance: 1970.2898% / 19.70289830 | ADC: 1x RC
46.2 Poland_Paluki_Neolithic_Globular_Amphora_Culture_I 2407
31.8 Cimmerian_MJ32
22.0 Germany_Lech_Valley_EBA

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Polska-woj-paluki.jpg/1024px-Polska-woj-paluki.jpg

Distance to: chr15
26.53306051 Germany_Lech_Valley_EBA:AITI_120
27.53299838 Hallstatt_DA111
28.40785807 Niederlanden_BA_I4070
28.96993096 Poland_Paluki_Neolithic_Globular_Amphora_Culture_I 2407
29.63508731 Bell_Beaker_Silesia_I6581
29.68052392 England_MBA_I2458
30.20964747 Czech_EBA_I5035
30.37178296 Hallstatt_DA112
30.87508381 Germany_Hassleben:R11868___AD_450
31.13503011 Germany_Bell_Beaker_Quedlinburg_I0806
31.38743857 Germany_Lech_Valley_EBA:AITI_78
31.49519011 Spain_Islamic_1100_AD_I7498
31.67087148 HG_Czech_Republic_Upper_Paleolithic_HG_Vestonice16
31.75198734 Crusader_SI40_Kingdom_Of_Ierusalim
31.82344262 Croatia_Sipar:R3664___AD_751
31.97245064 HG_Kostenki14_HG_Don_River_37000_YBP
31.97360787 England_LBA_I5383
32.04583280 Germany_Alberstedt_LNBA_I0118
32.61298208 Hungary_BR1
32.80979275 Scythian_DA194
32.86952996 Hallstat_DA111(1)
33.00694321 Bell_Beaker_Samborzec_I4253(1)
33.01034232 Cimmerian_MJ32
33.11046813 Scythian_DA195
33.62231253 England_Roman_York_Gladiator:6DRIF-23

Such a high EEF population does not exist today, hence IMHO the alleged Iberian similarity.

Distance to: chr15
30.82274160 Spanish_Galicia
31.18292000 Spanish_Eivissa
31.85711224 German_West_Bohemia
32.07842421 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
32.20473878 Spanish_Girona
32.27569054 Portuguese_Azores
32.35085779 German_Thuringia_Central
32.35687099 Spanish_Alacant
32.43307417 Spanish_Mallorca
32.46577891 Spanish
32.47650535 Spanish_Aragon
32.50831894 German_Bavaria_proper
32.54342330 French
32.55910318 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
32.74089644 Portuguese
32.79870729 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
32.80406987 Spanish_Lleida
32.84389745 Spanish_Castello
32.87321858 French_East
33.02942022 Spanish_Valencia
33.04043432 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
33.11147233 Spanish_Pirineu
33.13640596 Spanish_Barcelones
33.17906382 French_Provence
33.38901316 French_Hauts-de-France

Target: chr15
66.6 Spanish_Galicia
33.4 Erzya

I assume this Erzya is Yamnaya's avatar

https://i.ibb.co/XSSCfmF/dnagen2.jpg (https://ibb.co/Pww6sB1)

https://i.ibb.co/gjLXFNd/eye-t.jpg