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PBachman
01-12-2012, 04:15 AM
There is a lot of evidence that links Hittites with Armenians. I am fascinated by this connection. As I will explain in later posts. This is just a thread to discuss this link. I started with some basic images.

http://0.tqn.com/d/archaeology/1/0/7/G/1/hittite_sculpture.jpg

http://cache2.artprintimages.com/lrg/29/2931/R52RD00Z.jpg

http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/places-and-sights/_more2003/_more08/Turkey-Alaja-Huyuk-Hittite-temple-carving-of-two-headed-eagle-with-two-rabbits-in-its-claws-SEW.jpg

https://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/assyrian_school/relief_depicting_hittite_warr_hi.jpg

http://www.artfromancientlands.com/images/HittiteReliefLO635.jpg

http://blogs.nyu.edu/blogs/hg26/amnhphotographs/Hittite%20Goddess%20cropped.jpg

GeistFaust
01-12-2012, 04:23 AM
Well what do you want to discuss about regarding the Hittites. They spoke an Indo-European language, developed some innovative battle tactics, had a constitutional monarchy with a rebellious aristocracy which revolved around it.

They had a very democratic code of law where if someone stole something they must find a way of paying it back, with a marginal amount of punishment or stripping away of rights.


They are probably most notable for their conflicts with Egypt, especially the one at Kadesh, which resulted in the first signed international peace treaty between two national entities.

PBachman
01-12-2012, 04:53 AM
Well what do you want to discuss about regarding the Hittites.

Anything, it is pretty open ended. I will post some stuff later, but for example is there is a connection between:

Megalithic structures Malta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalithic_Temples_of_Malta)

Gobekli Tepe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe)

Also, do you think there is a connection between the Hittites and some cultures of the Aegean? Also, do you think it is possible that the Etruscans were Hurrians? Some Hittite kings were from the Caucasus as evidenced by their names. For me, there is a lot of overlap with the Aegean, Hurrian, Hittite, and Caucasus region that i find fascinating. If you have opinions or fascinating connections please feel free to discuss them.

Also, do you think Linear A is actual a Anatolian language? I believe there is a connection between the Aegean-Anatolia-"Proto-Armenains"-Caucasus:

Linear A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A)

Luwian Connection:

"Since the 1960s, a theory based on Linear B phonetic values suggests that Linear A language could be an Anatolian language, close to Luwian.[4] In 1997, Gareth Alun Owens published a collection of essays entitled Kritika Daidalika, which support the view that Linear A might represent an archaic relative of Luwian.

Owens based this assertion on the perceived Indo-European but non-Greek roots of a small number of words he was able to read by using the known Linear B or Cypriot sound values of certain Linear A signs. He does not claim a systematic decipherment of Linear A, and remarks in the book that he intended his Luwian hypothesis to provoke discussion rather than to settle the issue.

The theory for the Luwian origin of Minoan, however, failed to gain universal support for the following reasons:

There is no remarkable resemblance between Minoan and Hitto-Luwian morphology.

None of the existing theories of the origin of Hitto-Luwian peoples and their migration to Anatolia (either from the Balkans or from the Caucasus) is related to Crete.

There was a lack of direct contacts between Hitto-Luwians and Minoan Crete; the latter was never mentioned in Hitto-Luwian inscriptions. Small states located along the western coast of ancient Asia Minor were natural barriers between Hitto-Luwians and Minoan Crete.

Obvious anthropological differences between Hitto-Luwians and the Minoans may be considered as another indirect testimony against this hypothesis."

However, another idea came to mind, as Hurrian was also widespread at the time. In fact, the Hittites and many of the other latter IE speaking populations of Anatolia took the alphabet of the Sumarians, Phoenicians, and the Caucasus. As the ruling elite could have been Hurrian, in some instances, they even took the language of other people for administrative purposes.

At some point the Hittites had a royal elite that was Hurrian. Could it be possible that while Hittites spread to much of the Anatolian, Hurrians on the other spread to various parts of the Balkens, Italy, and Aegean? I find this dynamic relationship between Hittites and Hurrians interesting especially how it pertains to the Aegean as well.

There is a definite connection between to the pre-Greek-Phrygian populations of the Aegean with the Hittites and Hurrians. If you have opinions please discuss.

PBachman
01-12-2012, 05:04 AM
Hittite Government

"The head of the Hittite state was the king, followed by the heir-apparent, although some officials exercised independent authority over various branches of the government. One of the most important of these posts in the Hittite society was that of the Gal Mesedi (Chief of the Royal Bodyguards).[9] It was superseded by the rank of the Gal Gestin (Chief of the Wine Stewards), who like the Gal Mesedi most times was a member of the royal family. The kingdom's bureaucracy was headed by the Gal Dubsar (Chief of the Scribes), whose authority didn't extend only over the 'Lugal Dubsar, the king's personal scribe."

This is shocking similar to the latter Armenian system of ruling via families. Armenians divided up the tasks in such a manner through royal families:

Nakharar System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakharar)

Also, why was "Gal Gestin (Chief of the Wine Stewards)" important? Furthermore, the word for wine in Armenian is "Gheni". We also have a grape blessing day specifically to make wine. Furthermore, Armenian motifs throughout time stressed the grape. It is literally everywhere. The first wine producing region was in Southern Georgia (An area that has historically been inhabited by both Armenians and Georgians) and the first winery in Armenia. Just some connections and observations.

I will add more. Feel free to discuss, as I believe the Hittite culture was not only an element in the Armenian ethno-genesis. I believe this interplay between Hittite and Hurrian can be almost identical to the relationship between Armenia and Georgia.

PBachman
01-12-2012, 05:06 AM
http://www.touregypt.net/images/stories/hittite3.jpg

PBachman
01-12-2012, 05:16 AM
Etruscans

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/3072796/2/stock-photo-3072796-etruscan-art.jpg

http://www.yeshotelrome.com/hotels-accommodation/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/sarcofago-foto.bmp

http://www.mystudios.com/gallery/forgery/history/ff002.jpg

Notice the bradded hair, is it me or does it not look like the brads of the ones found on the Hittite reliefs? Also, the statue with the beard, that is hauntingly similar to something you would find in Anatolia.

I could not find statues or reliefs of Hurrians. If anyone has, please feel free to post.

Also, notice, there is a constant theme of bull in all cultures. Hittites had the Bull in art, latter the Urartu, the Etruscans, and other Aegean cultures. Why is the Bull so important?

OneWolf
01-12-2012, 05:20 AM
From what I know about the Hittites,which is very little,it seems that a large part of the Hittite Empire consisted of the peoples known as Hurrians and in fact there is a significant Hurrian influence on Hittite mythology.As far as the
ruling elite,they where possibly migrants from Europe?

Here is a pretty good program dealing with the Hittites that I came across on
Youtube.....The Lords of Hattusa!

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PBachman
01-12-2012, 05:45 AM
OneWolf thank you for the link.

Some aspect of the Aegean and Etruscan culture resembles Hittite and Hurrian culture. Especially, the art and themes. It could be possible that they developed separately. As they have not found a strong connection.

Also, within the cave where they found the first winery they found ritual killings. Strangely, their are sacrificial alters in the neolithic complex on Malta and also the one in Gobekli Tepe. It seems like ritual killings to appease the gods for a healthy harvest may be a widespread phenomenon?

Also, one thing to note. The original Mycenaean inhabitants before the Dorian invasion did not have fortifications. Later it was the Dorians that brought fortifications, what does it mean?

KissGimp
08-13-2012, 05:53 AM
Who Were the Hittites? (http://barnesreview.org/pdf/TBR2012-no2-4-12.pdf), by William White

A great Indo-European civilization ruled Anatolia (in Asia Minor) for centuries, and it spread all the way to northern Syria. But this great Aryan civilization was virtually forgotten for three millennia, until rediscovered in the 1800s.