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hutsul
02-17-2025, 05:14 AM
Most of them look Slav, but it seems that even in Anatolia they have those same looks commonly?
So it seems their look isn't necessarily a product of assimilation of native Balkanites, if not do we know the origins of those in Anatolia?
I'm just curious because a lot of Turkic groups in Europe are mostly assimilated natives, like Gagauz people.

Peterson
02-17-2025, 05:48 AM
We must address the question of whether the Yoruks from Macedonia are primarily assimilated Balkan Slavs or if they have retained their genetic heritage. The claim that most of them appear to be of Slavic origin is, indeed, noteworthy, yet it is essential to consider that similar features may also be present in Anatolian Yoruks. This begs the question: is this resemblance a product of assimilation or indicative of a deeper ancestral connection? The notion that Turkic groups in Europe are largely composed of assimilated natives is a fascinating one, with the Gagauz people serving as a prime example. However, the case of the Yoruks presents us with a conundrum. If their appearance is not solely a result of assimilation, might we speculate that their origins lie beyond the Balkans, perhaps in the ancient Turkic heartlands of Central Asia? The term "assimilation" is often fraught with discomfort and accusations of cultural imperialism, yet we must not shy away from these complexities. Only through fearless inquiry and rigorous analysis can we hope to unravel the intricate tapestry of human history and identity. In the end, the Yoruk puzzle may remain shrouded in mystery, but our journey of exploration will surely enrich our understanding of the human condition.

hutsul
03-04-2025, 02:30 PM
Thanks Jordan..

Kaspias
03-04-2025, 08:57 PM
Shouldn't be different than common Balkan Turks.

hutsul
03-05-2025, 12:49 AM
Shouldn't be different than common Balkan Turks.
But aren't most Balkan Slavs basically native?

I've seen some Turkish Yoruks and they often have similar looks @12:00 i.e.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT9t0k4BJNs
Or are such looks less common in Turkish Yoruk descendants? If not what are the origins of these looks?

Anyone have any tests done on Balkan Yoruks?

Kaspias
03-05-2025, 06:50 PM
But aren't most Balkan Slavs basically native?

I've seen some Turkish Yoruks and they often have similar looks @12:00 i.e.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT9t0k4BJNs
Or are such looks less common in Turkish Yoruk descendants? If not what are the origins of these looks?

Anyone have any tests done on Balkan Yoruks?

Balkans Slavs are not basically native, and I didn't mention of Balkan Slavs. Balkan Turks are a mix of Medieval Eastern Balkanites (Bulgarians, Macedonians, Vlachs, Greeks) and arriving Turks (which had varying degree of East Eurasian, from an Anatolian Turkish model to full Central Asian).

Anatolian Yörüks do not really differ from neighboring commoner Anatolian Turks; maybe elevated Turkic and Iranic admixture in some cases, but can't be generalised. This should apply for Balkan Yörüks as well.

We have samples from Radovis where these Yörüks do live. I'm not sure if these samples were identifying as Yörüks or just Turks, but they were not different in terms of East Eurasian admixture than, let's say, Kavala Turks.