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ScandinavianCelt

02-19-2025, 04:09 PM

Dušan

02-19-2025, 04:16 PM

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9462% / 0.01946202 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.4 Balto-Slavic
37.8 Roman_Empire
4.8 Saami
1.0 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

Removing Saami as not representative for Balkans

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9665% / 0.01966488 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.0 Balto-Slavic
38.0 Roman_Empire
1.6 Xiongnu_Huns
1.4 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

Balboa

02-19-2025, 04:17 PM

Target: Balboa_scaled
Distance: 1.9710% / 0.01970964 | ADC: 0.25x RC
86.0 Roman_Empire
14.0 Illyrian

Target: Balboa_scaled
Distance: 1.9045% / 0.01904489
95.2 Roman_Empire
4.8 Balto-Slavic

Beowulf

02-19-2025, 04:28 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/gJvzt8bN/Captura-de-pantalla-2025-02-19-182800.png (https://postimages.org/)

Looks almost the same as the one made by Tomenable, even though this one claims to be made by a different person?

Athalafuns

02-19-2025, 05:08 PM

Solitude

02-19-2025, 05:20 PM

Target: NightmareCity_scaled
Distance: 2.6580% / 0.02658046 | R5P | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.6 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
25.6 SSA:Umbundu:Nab90
22.0 Germanic:Germania_Magna
10.8 Native_Brazilian:BRA_Sumidouro

Target: NightmareCity_scaled
Distance: 1.8849% / 0.01884926
37.2 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
16.8 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
13.0 SSA:Cameroon_Aghem:TK-KVWUM002
8.4 SSA:Cameroon_Mbo:CAM-MBO-002
7.0 South_Amerindian:Karitiana:HGDP00998
6.4 Roman_Empire:Raetia
4.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
3.6 SSA:Cameroon_Aghem:TK-KV-NKA0027
2.4 Karitiana:HGDP01001
0.8 Amerindian:BRA_Botocudo:Botocudo17

ScandinavianCelt

02-19-2025, 05:28 PM

Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.3199% / 0.01319877 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.6 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
20.6 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
17.2 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
12.2 Roman_Empire:Noricum
9.4 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
4.0 Wusun_Nomads

We get the same Viking 582, and Nomads too. Does VK582 show up NO ADC without reduction? It shows up in all my official coords. 23andMe seems to always give me the proper amount of Swedish, so I'm showing that one here:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 2.0267% / 0.02026743
20.0 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
17.6 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
13.8 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
9.2 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
8.8 Germanic:Langobards
7.4 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
5.8 Roman_Empire:Greece
4.2 Germanic:Bastarnae
4.2 Wusun_Nomads
3.2 Western_Scythians
3.0 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
2.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
0.4 Xiongnu_Huns:TianShan_Hun_286CE_DA101_R-PH1397

I found the sample and it scores top spot on a Viking calc I made when using NO ADC:

Denmark_Jutland_IA:VK582,0.136588,0.13405,0.070522 ,0.069445,0.036007,0.022869,0.009635,0.013615,0.01 2885,-0.004374,0.006333,0.019633,-0.014271,-0.021744,0.015472,0.010607,0.001304,0.007095,0.001 76,0.02101,0.014974,-0.000247,0.000986,0.025666,-0.00467

https://i.postimg.cc/8PsHdfzL/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2025-02-19-T133830-186.png (https://postimages.org/)

Anatolya

02-19-2025, 05:32 PM

Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 2.3471% / 0.02347059 | R5P
62.4 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks
22.6 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
11.0 Wusun_Nomads
2.2 Xiongnu_Huns:Xiongnu_Chanyu_25BCE_DA39_R-PRX4
1.8 Xiongnu_Huns:TianShan_Hun_286CE_DA101_R-PH1397

merix

02-19-2025, 05:35 PM

Target: Meric_scaled
Distance: 1.6236% / 0.01623552
43.0 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks
27.2 Roman_Empire:Pontic_Greeks
10.2 Roman_Empire:Bosporan_Greeks
10.2 Xiongnu_Huns:TianShan_Hun_294CE_DA81_R-BY86775
6.6 Wusun_Nomads
2.8 Xiongnu_Huns:Hun_400sCE_TGH010_R-BY17637

Annihilus

02-19-2025, 05:36 PM

Target: annihilus_v2_scaled
Distance: 1.4582% / 0.01458242 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.4 Roman_Empire
18.6 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
17.4 Daco-Thracian
9.6 Balto-Slavic

Opie

02-19-2025, 05:40 PM

Target: annihilus_v2_scaled
Distance: 1.4582% / 0.01458242 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.4 Roman_Empire
18.6 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
17.4 Daco-Thracian
9.6 Balto-Slavic

How did you score 0 Turkic?

Athalafuns

02-19-2025, 06:28 PM

We get the same Viking 582, and Nomads too. Does VK582 show up NO ADC without reduction? It shows up in all my official coords. 23andMe seems to always give me the proper amount of Swedish, so I'm showing that one here:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 2.0267% / 0.02026743
20.0 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
17.6 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
13.8 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
9.2 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
8.8 Germanic:Langobards
7.4 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
5.8 Roman_Empire:Greece
4.2 Germanic:Bastarnae
4.2 Wusun_Nomads
3.2 Western_Scythians
3.0 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
2.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
0.4 Xiongnu_Huns:TianShan_Hun_286CE_DA101_R-PH1397

I found the sample and it scores top spot on a Viking calc I made when using NO ADC:

Denmark_Jutland_IA:VK582,0.136588,0.13405,0.070522 ,0.069445,0.036007,0.022869,0.009635,0.013615,0.01 2885,-0.004374,0.006333,0.019633,-0.014271,-0.021744,0.015472,0.010607,0.001304,0.007095,0.001 76,0.02101,0.014974,-0.000247,0.000986,0.025666,-0.00467

https://i.postimg.cc/8PsHdfzL/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2025-02-19-T133830-186.png (https://postimages.org/)
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.2969% / 0.01296892
34.8 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
25.2 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
13.6 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
9.4 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
9.4 Roman_Empire:Noricum
3.2 Wusun_Nomads
2.4 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
2.0 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

EasternLusitanian

02-19-2025, 07:41 PM

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 1.8694% / 0.01869394 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.0 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
16.8 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
14.8 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
7.2 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
5.8 Roman_Empire:Bosporan_Greeks
2.4 Roman_Empire:Italia

Xavier727

02-19-2025, 08:22 PM

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.3696% / 0.01369597 | R5P
54.4 Germanic
36.8 Celtic
5.8 Daco-Thracian
2.0 Roman_Empire
1.0 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.4277% / 0.01427652 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.0 Celtic
45.4 Germanic
6.6 Roman_Empire

Tacitus

02-19-2025, 08:31 PM

Target: Tacitus_G25sim
Distance: 1.8767% / 0.01876729 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.0 Roman_Empire:Italia
11.0 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
2.0 Germanic:North_Germanic

ScandinavianCelt

02-19-2025, 08:32 PM

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.3696% / 0.01369597 | R5P
54.4 Germanic
36.8 Celtic
5.8 Daco-Thracian
2.0 Roman_Empire
1.0 Xiongnu_Huns

To compare, here's mine at NO ADC R5P:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.5973% / 0.01597338 | R5P
58.2 Germanic
18.8 Celtic
10.6 Roman_Empire
6.8 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Wusun_Nomads

Note: these are averaged official, not the same as merged. Merged tends to give different results, but I only have the New Update merged coords, and DNAGenics Merged, which are almost identlcal on the PCA to my official Ancestry coords:

As you can see, the merged makes me Celtic:

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.5397% / 0.01539719 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.0 Celtic
18.6 Germanic
7.4 Roman_Empire
5.0 Balto-Slavic

No reductions:

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.4841% / 0.01484091
45.0 Celtic
35.8 Germanic
8.2 Roman_Empire
3.6 Alans
3.2 Wusun_Nomads
3.0 Balto-Slavic
0.8 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
0.4 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.5354% / 0.01535403 | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.6 Celtic
18.2 Germanic
6.0 Roman_Empire
5.4 Balto-Slavic
1.8 Alans

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.5820% / 0.01581988 | ADC: 0.5x RC
67.4 Celtic
26.4 Germanic
6.2 Roman_Empire

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.9295% / 0.01929535 | ADC: 1x RC
73.6 Celtic
26.4 Germanic

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 2.1748% / 0.02174825 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Celtic

Rædwald

02-19-2025, 08:32 PM

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 1.2774% / 0.01277424 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.4 Germanic
34.6 Celtic
16.4 Roman_Empire
9.6 Wusun_Nomads

gixajo

02-19-2025, 09:19 PM

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6002% / 0.01600159 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.4 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
24.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
21.8 Celtic:Gallia_Celtica
10.0 Roman_Empire:Noricum
9.4 Roman_Empire:Gallia_Narbonensis

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6002% / 0.01600159 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.2 Roman_Empire
21.8 Celtic

BrianBoru

02-19-2025, 10:40 PM

Target: Brian_Scaled
Distance: 1.5671% / 0.01567135 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.6 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
28.4 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
11.0 Daco-Thracian:Thracian_Getae
10.0 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
3.0 Xiongnu_Huns:TianShan_Hun_286CE_DA101_R-PH1397

Distance to: Brian_Scaled
0.02488649 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.02686918 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
0.02768209 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
0.02964728 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
0.03183382 Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.03205191 Germanic:West_Germanic
0.03362615 Germanic:Langobards
0.03407437 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
0.03452681 Germanic:Bastarnae
0.03587589 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611

Xavier727

02-19-2025, 11:22 PM

To compare, here's mine at NO ADC R5P:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.5973% / 0.01597338 | R5P
58.2 Germanic
18.8 Celtic
10.6 Roman_Empire
6.8 Balto-Slavic
5.6 Wusun_Nomads

Note: these are averaged official, not the same as merged. Merged tends to give different results, but I only have the New Update merged coords, and DNAGenics Merged, which are almost identlcal on the PCA to my official Ancestry coords:

As you can see, the merged makes me Celtic:

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.5397% / 0.01539719 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.0 Celtic
18.6 Germanic
7.4 Roman_Empire
5.0 Balto-Slavic

No reductions:

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.4841% / 0.01484091
45.0 Celtic
35.8 Germanic
8.2 Roman_Empire
3.6 Alans
3.2 Wusun_Nomads
3.0 Balto-Slavic
0.8 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
0.4 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.5354% / 0.01535403 | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.6 Celtic
18.2 Germanic
6.0 Roman_Empire
5.4 Balto-Slavic
1.8 Alans

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.5820% / 0.01581988 | ADC: 0.5x RC
67.4 Celtic
26.4 Germanic
6.2 Roman_Empire

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.9295% / 0.01929535 | ADC: 1x RC
73.6 Celtic
26.4 Germanic

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 2.1748% / 0.02174825 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Celtic

Yeah weird, why do you think that is, theres not all that much difference between my merged data and my standard cords, there basically the same.

Target: Ancestry scaled
Distance: 1.3192% / 0.01319195 | R5P
55.6 Germanic
35.2 Celtic
6.0 Daco-Thracian
2.0 Roman_Empire
1.2 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: Ancestry scaled
Distance: 1.3526% / 0.01352581 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.6 Germanic
37.8 Celtic
7.6 Daco-Thracian
3.0 Wusun_Nileke_77BCE

Target: Merged data scaled
Distance: 1.3935% / 0.01393478 | R5P
53.6 Germanic
35.8 Celtic
8.2 Daco-Thracian
2.4 Wusun_Nileke_77BCE

Target: Merged data scaled
Distance: 1.3880% / 0.01388040 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Germanic
41.4 Celtic
5.6 Daco-Thracian
1.6 Alans
1.0 Xiongnu_Huns

ScandinavianCelt

02-20-2025, 12:53 AM

Yeah weird, why do you think that is, theres not all that much difference between my merged data and my standard cords, there basically the same.

Target: Ancestry scaled
Distance: 1.3192% / 0.01319195 | R5P
55.6 Germanic
35.2 Celtic
6.0 Daco-Thracian
2.0 Roman_Empire
1.2 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: Ancestry scaled
Distance: 1.3526% / 0.01352581 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.6 Germanic
37.8 Celtic
7.6 Daco-Thracian
3.0 Wusun_Nileke_77BCE

Target: Merged data scaled
Distance: 1.3935% / 0.01393478 | R5P
53.6 Germanic
35.8 Celtic
8.2 Daco-Thracian
2.4 Wusun_Nileke_77BCE

Target: Merged data scaled
Distance: 1.3880% / 0.01388040 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Germanic
41.4 Celtic
5.6 Daco-Thracian
1.6 Alans
1.0 Xiongnu_Huns

Potential reasons I can see:

1. Mixed background-- 3 different main most recent branches-- French, Insular (quite a mixture from my Dad's Mom within the British Isles), and Swedish-- and even within Sweden one is from the east, one from the west, (and I have Estonian great grandparents on one line from my Swedish eastern side not too far back, prob mid 1800's)

2. G25 has its limitations, and I'm not an expert to know all of those limitations

3. Different testing companies-- although, as I said, my merged data with DNAGen plots just above my IllustrativeDNA Ancestry G25 on the NW PCA, but on the Custom PCA they can appear much further apart in conjunction with other samples!

4. Possibly the merging of data alters &/or makes clearer what is actually there, but maybe it doesn't

5. Amount of total DNA actually analyzed by each company: the total for these commercial tests is a small percentage overall, so it could be akin to you making a set of coordinates based on, let's say, just 10 cM per chromosome-- randomly selected-- and then try it again with another 10 cM of each randomly selected-- I've done that, and it can be quite different

6. Samples used as Source-- averages vs individuals, and the combinations used-- for example, my closest French sample is actually 75% Irish, and so the same can be true of my Swedish samples-- some are eastern, some are western, some are northern! The admixtures of the individuals can be very different than what we expect them to be. Some of the Hamburg I match has not really been German at all, or not much!

My K36 GPS as Dutch, Groningen is prob merely a central point for my mixed background. But hey, you're not much, if you're not Dutch! :)

Gannicus

02-20-2025, 01:19 AM

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.02288919 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
0.02611395 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.03044521 Celtic:Gallia_Celtica
0.03156170 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
0.03346330 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
0.03363296 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
0.03543386 Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.03578959 Germanic:West_Germanic
0.03683327 Germanic:Langobards
0.04375987 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
0.04706490 Germanic:North_Germanic
0.04718943 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
0.04745958 Germanic:Oland_386CE_VK522
0.04780736 Germanic:Marcomanni_Quadi
0.05018517 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
0.05049111 Roman_Empire:Gallia_Narbonensis
0.05128266 Germanic:Bastarnae
0.05621554 Roman_Empire:Noricum
0.06035016 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
0.06045959 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
0.06808400 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
0.06937242 Roman_Empire:Raetia
0.07200660 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
0.07787897 Illyrian:West_Dalmatia
0.08992684 Balto-Slavic:Lugians

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0187% / 0.01872506 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.4 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
19.7 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
11.5 Germanic:Marcomanni_Quadi
11.1 Roman_Empire:Italia
10.3 Roman_Empire:Aquitania

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0187% / 0.01872506 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.4 Celtic
31.2 Germanic
21.4 Roman_Empire

Kenshiro

02-20-2025, 04:09 AM

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 1.6637% / 0.01663704 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.4 Illyrian
25.8 Daco-Thracian
18.0 Alans
11.2 Roman_Empire
3.6 Balto-Slavic
Without Thracians
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 1.7588% / 0.01758774 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.6 Illyrian
19.4 Roman_Empire
10.8 Alans
2.2 Balto-Slavic
Without Illyrians and Thracians

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 1.8282% / 0.01828213 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.2 Roman_Empire:Italia
27.6 Roman_Empire:Greece
15.8 Roman_Empire:Raetia
15.4 Alans
8.8 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
2.2 Uralic_tribes
Very curious about my Alan honestly ahaha

Grace O'Malley

02-20-2025, 07:23 AM

ScandinavianCelt

02-20-2025, 11:47 AM

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.6561% / 0.01656075 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.6 Celtic
45.4 Germanic

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.6561% / 0.01656075 | ADC: 0.25x RC
33.6 Germanic:Langobards
30.2 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
24.2 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
11.8 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
0.2 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall

In reality I'm not that much Germanic and with my background there were no Langobards or Gepids.

Try R5P?

This is how the Langobards & Gepids fare on the Moderne 2022 calc:

Target: Germanic:Langobards
Distance: 0.9691% / 0.00969066 | ADC: 2x RC
34.6 Scandinavian:Danish
33.8 Scandinavian:Icelandic
31.6 Scandinavian:Norwegian

Target: Germanic:Goths_Gepids
Distance: 1.5513% / 0.01551263 | ADC: 2x RC
51.6 Scandinavian:Icelandic
48.4 Scandinavian:Swedish

Don't most calcs put you roughly 50-50 Irish and Scandinavian?

At NO ADC:

Target: Germanic:Goths_Gepids
Distance: 1.2526% / 0.01252647
28.6 Scandinavian:Icelandic
21.0 British_Islanders:Irish_Ulster
20.2 Germanic_europe:Frisian
18.8 Baltic:Lithuanian_West_Zemaitija
11.4 British_Islanders:Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute

Target: Germanic:Langobards
Distance: 0.8467% / 0.00846713
27.2 Scandinavian:Icelandic
24.4 Scandinavian:Danish
23.2 Scandinavian:Swedish
16.4 Scandinavian:Norwegian
6.6 British_Islanders:Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute
2.2 North_Caucasus:Kaitag

Icelandic is typically 1/3-1/2 Irish, so you could figure out how much Irish-Scando you are based on these, according to this Migration calc. I'd say the calc is prob putting you close to 80% Irish 20% Scando.

Also, on your IllustrativeDNA Closest Ancient Populations, do you see any Langobards? Seems several individual samples of Langobards, especially from North Italy, contributed to modern Irish genetics, at least according to G25. I'll check....

Yes, some show moderate to heavy amounts of Insular groups.

Pater Patota

02-20-2025, 12:58 PM

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.2511% / 0.01251138 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.8 Roman_Empire
21.2 Wusun_Nomads

ScandinavianCelt

02-20-2025, 01:30 PM

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.2511% / 0.01251138 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.8 Roman_Empire
21.2 Wusun_Nomads

Are you Kurdish Turkish (Alevi Dersim?) with slight Indian-India mix? Or Kurd Zaza?

leachim_x

02-20-2025, 02:16 PM

Distance to: Lx_K36
0.02275258 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
0.02335569 Celtic:Gallia_Celtica
0.02544011 Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.02552981 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.02657120 Germanic:West_Germanic
0.02820552 Germanic:Langobards
0.03001613 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
0.03121124 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
0.03324587 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
0.03459603 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
0.03919672 Germanic:North_Germanic
0.04087892 Germanic:Oland_386CE_VK522
0.04108063 Germanic:Marcomanni_Quadi
0.04352400 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
0.04470000 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
0.04537800 Germanic:Bastarnae
0.05012714 Roman_Empire:Noricum
0.05123814 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
0.05165121 Roman_Empire:Gallia_Narbonensis
0.05710692 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
0.06968101 Roman_Empire:Raetia
0.07138212 Balto-Slavic:Lugians
0.07199668 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
0.07552459 Illyrian:West_Dalmatia
0.07619669 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8426% / 0.00842635 | R3P
37.6 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
16.8 Daco-Thracian:Thracian_Getae
15.0 Germanic:Oland_386CE_VK522
11.2 Germanic:Germania_Magna
9.6 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
7.0 Germanic:Langobards
2.2 Germanic:Bastarnae
0.6 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8426% / 0.00842635 | R3P
73.6 Germanic
16.8 Daco-Thracian
9.6 Celtic

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 1.0291% / 0.01029099 | R4P | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.4 Germanic
25.2 Illyrian
1.4 Celtic

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8483% / 0.00848344 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.6 Germanic
16.8 Daco-Thracian
9.6 Celtic

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8398% / 0.00839835
71.8 Germanic
15.2 Daco-Thracian
9.2 Celtic
2.2 Roman_Empire
1.0 Illyrian
0.6 Balto-Slavic

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 0.8399% / 0.00839927
71.4 Germanic
15.0 Daco-Thracian
8.8 Celtic
3.4 Roman_Empire
0.8 Balto-Slavic
0.6 Illyrian

Pater Patota

02-20-2025, 02:35 PM

Are you Kurdish Turkish (Alevi Dersim?) with slight Indian-India mix? Or Kurd Zaza?

Wow spot on mate, I’m half Kurdish Zaza half Circassian.

ScandinavianCelt

02-20-2025, 03:52 PM

Wow spot on mate, I’m half Kurdish Zaza half Circassian.

I score (with merged data) just 5.92% Kurdish on the Gedrosia Kurdish K10 calc, but I have some!

How much Nomadic Wusun do you score without R5P? Just .25x? I think I get my Wusun through Russian roots, specifically Mordovian.

Ancestry-only data gives me 6.23% Kurd.

R1b-L51

02-20-2025, 06:25 PM

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.1192% / 0.02119165 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.8 Roman_Empire
13.0 Germanic
6.0 Western_Scythians
2.2 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.1192% / 0.02119165 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
34.4 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
13.0 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
6.0 Western_Scythians
2.2 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

WITHOUT R5P I'VE TAKEN THE SAME

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.1192% / 0.02119165 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
34.4 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
13.0 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
6.0 Western_Scythians
2.2 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom

Pater Patota

02-20-2025, 11:01 PM

I score (with merged data) just 5.92% Kurdish on the Gedrosia Kurdish K10 calc, but I have some!

How much Nomadic Wusun do you score without R5P? Just .25x? I think I get my Wusun through Russian roots, specifically Mordovian.

Ancestry-only data gives me 6.23% Kurd.

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.1627% / 0.01162687
68.8 Roman_Empire
14.6 Wusun_Nomads
10.8 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
5.8 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.2511% / 0.01251138 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.8 Roman_Empire
21.2 Wusun_Nomads

vader

02-21-2025, 01:25 AM

Target: Cynetes_scaled
Distance: 2.6179% / 0.02617941
72.6 Roman_Empire
26.8 Germanic
0.6 Samoyedic_tribes

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 22.7173% / 0.22717306
51.8 Eastern_Scythians
16.2 Xiongnu_Huns
15.8 Roman_Empire
14.0 Uralic_tribes
2.2 Wusun_Nileke_77BCE

Feiichy

02-21-2025, 06:17 AM

Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 0.0255% / 0.02550895

60.9 Balto-Slavic
28.9 Daco-Thracian
9.8 Germanic
0.4 Xianbei_Nomads

ScandinavianCelt

02-21-2025, 11:05 AM

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.1627% / 0.01162687
68.8 Roman_Empire
14.6 Wusun_Nomads
10.8 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
5.8 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.2511% / 0.01251138 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.8 Roman_Empire
21.2 Wusun_Nomads

Target: Circassian
Distance: 1.3341% / 0.01334064 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.8 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
25.4 Alans
11.2 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
8.4 Xiongnu_Huns:Hun_398CE_KRY001_R-BY172798
6.2 Roman_Empire:Anatolia

Target: Kurd_Zaza_Turkey
Distance: 3.3724% / 0.03372431 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.0 Roman_Empire:Pontic_Greeks
20.6 Wusun_Nomads
18.4 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks

Pater Patota

02-21-2025, 12:22 PM

Target: Circassian
Distance: 1.3341% / 0.01334064 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.8 Caucasus_Colchis_Kingdom
25.4 Alans
11.2 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
8.4 Xiongnu_Huns:Hun_398CE_KRY001_R-BY172798
6.2 Roman_Empire:Anatolia

Target: Kurd_Zaza_Turkey
Distance: 3.3724% / 0.03372431 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.0 Roman_Empire:Pontic_Greeks
20.6 Wusun_Nomads
18.4 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks

Do you think it’s somewhat accurate according to my ancestry?

ScandinavianCelt

02-21-2025, 05:29 PM

Do you think it’s somewhat accurate according to my ancestry?

It looks it but maybe the added distance doesn't balance you correctly it seems to only have shown one side of your family the way the creator set up the calculator if it puts you at 80% Roman empire and then 20% nomads it should be more balanced don't you think?

Fabricius

02-21-2025, 05:40 PM

I like it

Target: Fabricius_g25_scaled
Distance: 3.5843% / 0.03584286 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x
69.4 Roman_Empire
19.0 Balto-Slavic
7.4 Germanic
4.2 Eastern_Scythians

Target: Fabricius_g25_scaled
Distance: 3.7233% / 0.03723333 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.2 Roman_Empire
18.8 Balto-Slavic
11.0 Germanic

Distances:
Distance to: Fabricius_g25_scaled
0.06148349 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
0.07202253 Roman_Empire:Noricum
0.07306868 Illyrian:West_Dalmatia
0.07568996 Daco-Thracian:Dacians
0.07781470 Roman_Empire:Raetia
0.07843655 Roman_Empire:Gallia_Narbonensis
0.08197023 Celtic:Gallia_Celtica
0.08254720 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
0.08722052 Illyrian:East_Dalmatia
0.08895182 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
0.09007316 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
0.09127793 Roman_Empire:Italia
0.09279896 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
0.09402994 Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.09513306 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.09761609 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
0.10161992 Germanic:West_Germanic
0.10167170 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
0.10217478 Western_Scythians
0.10242961 Roman_Empire:Bosporan_Greeks
0.10371027 Germanic:Langobards
0.10407827 Daco-Thracian:Thracian_Getae
0.10461105 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
0.10662659 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
0.10674825 Germanic:North_Germanic

Pater Patota

02-21-2025, 11:41 PM

It looks it but maybe the added distance doesn't balance you correctly it seems to only have shown one side of your family the way the creator set up the calculator if it puts you at 80% Roman empire and then 20% nomads it should be more balanced don't you think?

Possibly my kurdish side is genetically more dominant.

hazmatnik

02-21-2025, 11:43 PM

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 2.4668% / 0.02466779 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.8 Balto-Slavic
49.2 Roman_Empire

ScandinavianCelt

02-22-2025, 12:27 AM

Possibly my kurdish side is genetically more dominant.

You should be getting 50-50, one chromosome strand coming from each parent, for all 22 chromosomes.

Can you recommend any good calcs to measure Kurdish groups?

Rhegion

02-24-2025, 10:34 AM

Target: Me
Distance: 2.1720% / 0.02171979 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
29.8 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks
26.6 Roman_Empire:Italia
25.6 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
18.0 Roman_Empire:Greece

Target: Father
Distance: 2.1180% / 0.02118021 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.6 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks
37.8 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
18.6 Roman_Empire:Italia

Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 1.5295% / 0.01529485 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
29.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
24.6 Roman_Empire:Italia
24.0 Roman_Empire:Pontic_Greeks
19.6 Roman_Empire:Greece
2.4 Roman_Empire:Anatolia

Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 2.2429% / 0.02242852 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.8 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks
32.4 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
21.8 Roman_Empire:Greece

Target: Cousin
Distance: 2.3600% / 0.02360001 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.8 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
30.0 Roman_Empire:Cappadocian_Greeks
17.8 Roman_Empire:Pontic_Greeks
16.4 Daco-Thracian:Thracian_Getae

noricum

02-25-2025, 04:54 PM

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.6533% / 0.01653263
42.4 Balto-Slavic
26.0 Germanic
20.0 Roman_Empire
11.6 Illyrian

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.6466% / 0.01646579
43.2 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
16.2 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
13.2 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
9.4 Illyrian:West_Dalmatia
8.8 Roman_Empire:Greece
7.8 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
1.4 Wusun_Nomads

Dick

02-26-2025, 12:28 AM

Target: dad
Distance: 1.9217% / 0.01921733
46.4 Balto-Slavic
28.4 Roman_Empire
11.4 Germanic
7.2 Wusun_Nileke_77BCE
6.6 Daco-Thracian

Target: dick
Distance: 1.5927% / 0.01592654
48.6 Balto-Slavic
36.2 Roman_Empire
9.0 Celtic
5.4 Germanic
0.8 Xiongnu_Huns

Target: mom
Distance: 0.9249% / 0.00924949
50.2 Balto-Slavic
21.0 Illyrian
16.6 Roman_Empire
11.0 Daco-Thracian
1.0 Saami
0.2 Germanic

Target: daughter
Distance: 1.2455% / 0.01245507
54.0 Balto-Slavic
24.8 Roman_Empire
15.2 Daco-Thracian
3.0 Saami
2.0 Germanic
1.0 Western_Scythians

Opie

02-26-2025, 12:36 AM

Wow spot on mate, I’m half Kurdish Zaza half Circassian.

Where are you from?

oszkar07

02-26-2025, 09:40 AM

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 1.8347% / 0.01834650 | R5P
47.6 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
20.8 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
20.4 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
7.0 Roman_Empire:Bosporan_Greeks
3.2 Roman_Empire:Greece
1.0 Daco-Thracian:Dacians

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 1.8347% / 0.01834728 | R3P
47.8 Germanic
31.8 Roman_Empire
20.4 Balto-Slavic

CeltiberoGermanico

02-26-2025, 11:45 AM

New calc: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/186/the-migration-era-calculator-the-age-of-the-huns-scaled-by-karl-o-hogstrom.htm

They recommend .25x R5P

I think it works better without reductions, but here is R5P:

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.6257% / 0.01625746 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
20.2 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
18.0 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
12.4 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
8.4 Germanic:Langobards
7.4 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
6.2 Roman_Empire:Bosporan_Greeks
6.0 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
5.0 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
5.0 Balto-Slavic:Venedes
4.8 Wusun_Nomads
4.6 Germanic:Bastarnae
2.0 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826

Target: SC_PreUpdate_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 2.3485% / 0.02348480 | ADC: 2x RC
58.8 Germanic:Langobards
41.2 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall

https://i.postimg.cc/3Jd41jjK/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2025-02-19-T140114-986.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/0QQYRzKx/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2025-02-19-T140639-336.png (https://postimages.org/)

Target: AitorAlcorta_scaled
Distance: 1.0426% / 0.01042553 | R5P
33.6 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
20.0 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
17.6 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
12.0 Roman_Empire:Sardinia
9.4 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
6.4 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.8 Xiongnu_Huns:Xiongnu_Chanyu_25BCE_DA39_R-PRX4
0.2 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
-----------------------------------------------------
DELETING SARDINIA!!
Target: AitorAlcorta_scaled
Distance: 1.2366% / 0.01236571 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.2 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
24.6 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North
24.2 Roman_Empire:Hispania_South
5.0 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611

unmoggable

02-26-2025, 07:43 PM

Target: unmoggable
Distance: 0.6314% / 0.00631447 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.8 Germanic
31.4 Celtic
14.8 Roman_Empire

0.01970162 Celtic:Brittonic_England_South
0.02121495 Celtic:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.02299436 Celtic:Brittonic_England_North
0.02386354 Germanic:West_Germanic
0.02455818 Germanic:Langobards
0.02606338 Germanic:Germania_Magna
0.02686926 Celtic:Gallia_Celtica
0.02791125 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_South
0.03387338 Celtic:Gallia_Belgica
0.03390812 Germanic:Goths_Gepids
0.03637534 Germanic:North_Germanic
0.03795875 Celtic:Brittonic_Wales_North
0.03934540 Germanic:Marcomanni_Quadi
0.04148756 Germanic:Oland_386CE_VK522
0.04267213 Germanic:Scania_545CE_RISE174_R-BY29826
0.04383413 Germanic:Bastarnae
0.04839781 Germanic:Czulice_395-418CE_CZU001_I-FGC21611
0.05543374 Germanic:Denmark_50CE_VK582
0.05593130 Roman_Empire:Noricum
0.05696541 Roman_Empire:Gallia_Narbonensis
0.07332079 Balto-Slavic:Lugians
0.07525305 Roman_Empire:Raetia
0.07764074 Roman_Empire:Aquitania
0.07843320 Illyrian:West_Dalmatia
0.08135815 Roman_Empire:Hispania_North

ScandinavianCelt

03-12-2025, 06:50 PM

Wow spot on mate, I’m half Kurdish Zaza half Circassian.

I had to show you. I made a calc recently and this Armenian piece showed up most for me of all Armenian-- showing up over 6% in late Bronze-Age, and this is how it connects to modern samples today using the 2022 Moderne calc on exploreyourdna.com:

Target: Armenia_LBA:I19332
Distance: 2.9370% / 0.02937015 | ADC: 2x RC
52.6 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Khevsurian
47.4 North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Zaza_Tunceli

from calc I made:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 1.6049% / 0.01604937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
28.4 Netherlands_LBA:I11971
26.6 England_LBA:I7629
21.4 Czech_LBA_Knoviz:I13792
8.4 England_LBA:I14358
6.2 Armenia_LBA:I19332
6.2 Czech_LBA_Knoviz:I16089
2.8 Czech_LBA_Knoviz:I15956

Perhaps our common grandpa was an Armenian? Many moons ago!

Distance to: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
0.14650410 Armenia_LBA:I19332

The top Dutch pieces links to Norway-Bergen and Swedish at 2x with same calc, and the English piece links to Norwegian & Breton_Finistere, which makes perfect sense for me. The Academic French sample list plots that "French" piece closest to me, but it's actual plot is where English_Cornwall crosses with the Irish. The Czech_Knoviz sample links to Belgian_Flemish-profile. The 2nd English piece is Scottish & Irish_Ulster at 2x. The 2nd Czech piece links to Moldovan_o and Ukraine. And the last Czech piece links to Welsh & Scottish_Argyll&Bute. In conclusion, it's odd for me to have that one chunk from Armenia. Seems out of alignment with rest of my genetics. I'm not sure how I got it.