Marques World K47

[ScandinavianCelt]

What do you all think of this calc? I like it.

You can find it on DNAGenics Exclusive Admixture Reports. It may be elsewhere online, I don't know.

I'd like to see how some of you others score on it.

This is my result with merged data:

https://i.postimg.cc/sxX2J2nW/k47-marques-mrg.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HcqHYT1W)

[hazmatnik]

I don't like this type of calculators with so many components, doesnt say anything in fact:

https://i.postimg.cc/XqzCnscP/Screenshot-20250222-224450-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/T5nw9qsj)

[ScandinavianCelt]

I don't like this type of calculators with so many components, doesnt say anything in fact:

https://i.postimg.cc/XqzCnscP/Screenshot-20250222-224450-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/T5nw9qsj)

What do you mean it doesn't say anything?

[hazmatnik]

What do you mean it doesn't say anything?

Looking at this, what is conclusion? Just bunch of % not related to my ancestry.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Looking at this, what is conclusion? Just bunch of % not related to my ancestry.

What is your ancestry exactly?

[Beowulf]

Incredibly noisy

https://i.postimg.cc/ht9mn9PF/Captura-de-pantalla-2025-02-23-135814.png (https://postimg.cc/qNvqX63Q)

[hazmatnik]

What is your ancestry exactly?

Mostly serbian with some bulgarian addons.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Mostly serbian with some bulgarian addons.

The Modern Scaled official sample set shows this for the average Serbian:


Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.0040% / 0.00004034
15.0 Serbian
12.8 Albanian
4.0 Lithuanian_RA
3.4 Greek_Elis
3.0 Polish
3.0 Moldovan
2.6 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains
2.4 Greek_Peloponnese
2.2 Greek_Corinthia
2.2 Greek_Achaea
2.2 Lithuanian_PA
2.0 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
1.8 Greek_Argolis
1.6 German
1.6 Russian_Smolensk
1.6 Sardinian
1.4 Belarusian
1.4 Greek_Laconia
1.4 Greek_Messenia
1.4 Lithuanian_VA
1.4 Romanian
1.2 Greek_Macedonia
1.2 Lithuanian_VZ
1.2 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
1.0 Greek_Arcadia
1.0 Greek_Central_Macedonia
1.0 Hungarian
1.0 Italian_Lombardy
1.0 Polish_Kashubian
1.0 Rumelia_East
1.0 Slovenian
0.8 Bosnian
0.8 German_Erlangen
0.8 Italian_Tuscany
0.8 Lithuanian_PZ
0.8 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Macedonian
0.8 Moldovan_o
0.8 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.6 Montenegrin
0.6 Russian_Orel
0.6 Russian_Tver
0.6 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.6 Torbeši_Polog
0.6 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.6 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.6 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.4 French_Alsace
0.4 French_Occitanie
0.4 German_East
0.4 German_Hamburg
0.4 Greek_Crete
0.4 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.4 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.4 Greek_Izmir
0.4 Russian_Belgorod
0.4 Russian_Voronez
0.2 Austrian
0.2 Croatian
0.2 Czech
0.2 Erzya
0.2 Estonian
0.2 French_Auvergne
0.2 French_Bearn
0.2 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.2 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.2 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.2 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.2 Greek_Thessaly
0.2 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.2 Irish
0.2 Italian_Campania
0.2 Italian_Veneto
0.2 Latvian
0.2 Polish_Silesian
0.2 Pomak_Almopia_Plain
0.2 Russian_Kursk
0.2 Russian_Pskov
0.2 Slovakian
0.2 Swiss_German
0.2 Turkish_North_Macedonia
0.2 Turkish_West_Macedonia
0.2 Ukrainian_Dnipro


Is this a "bunch of % not related to (your) ancestry"? I think you need to consider that the calculator is obviously not looking at just your most recent modern-- grandparents, great-grandparents, etc-- but obviously attempts to go a bit deeper into modern times. I wonder if you group this result above into the regions the K47 outlined how it matches up for you.

[hazmatnik]

Is this a "bunch of % not related to (your) ancestry"? I think you need to consider that the calculator is obviously not looking at just your most recent modern-- grandparents, great-grandparents, etc-- but obviously attempts to go a bit deeper into modern times. I wonder if you group this result above into the regions the K47 outlined how it matches up for you.

Yes it is, pretty useless and unnecessary.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Yes it is, pretty useless and unnecessary.

You have 2.9 billion pieces of DNA. Do you think your ancestry has been living primarily in Serbia for the past 2000 years and should only show Serbian with a little bit of Bulgarian "add-ons"?

If I consider only my most recent known background, then none of the calculators anywhere make any sense for me.

[hazmatnik]

You have 2.9 billion pieces of DNA. Do you think your ancestry has been living primarily in Serbia for the past 2000 years?

Nope, but my results on G25 ancient are pretty clear shot, not regions from all over Europe, Middle East and Oceania.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Nope, but my results on G25 ancient are pretty clear shot, not regions from all over Europe, Middle East and Oceania.

This is what I show for the average Serbian vs Ancient Scaled:


Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.0066% / 0.00006602
11.6 Sweden_Viking.SG
4.0 Estonia_BA.SG
3.4 Hungary_EarlyAvar
2.8 Lithuania_Marvele_Roman.SG
2.4 Albania_Modern
2.4 Latvia_BA
2.2 Hungary_Conqueror_Commoner
2.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
1.8 Germany_Saxony_LBK_N
1.8 Hungary_LateAvar
1.8 Italy_Imperial.SG
1.8 Macedonia_IA
1.8 Montenegro_Doclea_Roman.SG
1.6 Hungary_Conqueror_Elite
1.6 Kazakhstan_GoldenHordeEuro.SG
1.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
1.6 Turkey_Byzantine_oEuropean
1.4 Hungary_DanubeTisza_LSarmation_EHun
1.2 Denmark_Viking.SG
1.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
1.2 Germany_EN_LBK
1.2 India_RoopkundB
1.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2
1.0 Bulgaria_C
1.0 Czech_EBA_Unetice
1.0 Czech_IA_LaTene
1.0 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
1.0 Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean
1.0 Greece_Peloponnese_N
1.0 Hungary_Transtisza_LSarmation_EHun
1.0 Poland_Viking.SG
1.0 Russia_Viking.SG
1.0 Turkey_Archaic_SubGeometric
1.0 Turkey_WestByzantine
1.0 Ukraine_Cimmerians.SG
0.8 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval
0.8 Hungary_LN_Lengyel
0.8 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval
0.8 Russia_Viking_o.SG
0.8 Turkey_EarlyByzantine_1
0.8 Turkey_Ikiztepe_LateC
0.8 Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG
0.8 Turkey_WestByzantine_oEuropean
0.6 Albania_EBA_o1
0.6 Bulgaria_N
0.6 England_MIA
0.6 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
0.6 Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.6 Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
0.6 Latvia_LN_CordedWare
0.6 Lithuania_Bailuliai_BarrowCulture.SG
0.6 Russia_Afanasievo
0.6 Turkey_Arslantepe_LateC
0.6 Turkey_EBA
0.4 Albania_Medieval
0.4 Armenia_LBA.SG
0.4 Armenia_UrartianEmpire
0.4 Croatia_BeliManastir_Roman.SG
0.4 Croatia_Dragulin_Roman.SG
0.4 Croatia_Medieval_o
0.4 Croatia_Scitarjevo_Roman_oNorthEurope.SG
0.4 Czech_N_oWHG
0.4 Estonia_Medieval.SG
0.4 Greece_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA.SG
0.4 Greece_Minoan_Lassithi
0.4 Israel_Ashkelon_IA1
0.4 Macedonia_BA
0.4 Moldova_Glinoe_Scythian.SG
0.4 Montenegro_MLBA
0.4 Romania_N
0.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
0.4 Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG
0.4 Serbia_SvilosKrussevlje_Roman.SG
0.4 Serbia_Viminacium_Roman.SG
0.4 Slovakia_IA_Vekerzug
0.4 Spain_Hellenistic_oAegean
0.4 Turkey_WestByzantine_o1
0.2 Albania_BA_IA
0.2 Armenia_Beniamin_Hellenistic.SG
0.2 Armenia_Beniamin_IA.SG
0.2 Austria_IA_LaTene
0.2 Austria_Ovilava_Roman_oLevant.SG
0.2 Austria_Ovilava_Roman.SG
0.2 Bulgaria_EIA
0.2 Bulgaria_Medieval
0.2 China_Xinjiang_Hetian_Historical
0.2 Croatia_Mursa_Roman.SG
0.2 Croatia_NovoSeloBunje_Roman.SG
0.2 Croatia_Popova_MN.SG
0.2 Czech_CordedWare
0.2 Czech_N
0.2 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA
0.2 England_LIA
0.2 England_Saxon.SG
0.2 France_BellBeaker
0.2 France_Metz_GalloRoman.SG
0.2 France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.2 Germany_CordedWare
0.2 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker
0.2 Greece_LN_2.SG
0.2 Greece_MiddleMinoan
0.2 Greece_N
0.2 Greenland_EarlyNorse.SG
0.2 Hungary_Avar_5
0.2 Hungary_EarlyArpadian
0.2 Hungary_EarlyMidAvar
0.2 Hungary_EN_Koros_o
0.2 Hungary_EN_Starcevo_1
0.2 Hungary_Langobard
0.2 Hungary_LaTene
0.2 Hungary_MidAvar
0.2 Hungary_MN_ALPc_Szakalhat
0.2 Hungary_MN_ALPc_Tiszadob
0.2 Hungary_SouthTransdanubia_Eavar_2
0.2 Hungary_Transtisza_Maros_EAvar
0.2 Iraq_PPNA
0.2 Italy_LA.SG
0.2 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG
0.2 Italy_TarquiniaMonterozzi_IA.SG
0.2 Kazakhstan_MLBA_OyDzhaylau
0.2 Macedonia_N
0.2 Pakistan_Katelai_IA
0.2 Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG
0.2 Romania_C_Bodrogkeresztur
0.2 Russia_Caucasus_KuraAraxes
0.2 Russia_MLBA_Sintashta
0.2 Russia_Steppe_Catacomb
0.2 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
0.2 Serbia_LBA
0.2 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG
0.2 Serbia_Naissus_LateAntiquity.SG
0.2 Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_3.SG
0.2 Slovenia_Emona_Roman.SG
0.2 Spain_Greek_oAegean
0.2 Turkey_AssyrianColonyPeriod.SG
0.2 Turkey_CamlibelTarlasi_LateC
0.2 Turkey_N
0.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya

I think this "official" result is not as easily grouped and understood as the K47 I posted. Anyway, thanks for sharing!

[Gannicus]

I’ve looked at it myself and I don’t care for the estimate. I think it underestimates British isles derived ancestry. It breaks the pattern I see in the big dna company tests I’ve done, g25, illustrativedna, etc.

[ScandinavianCelt]

I’ve looked at it myself and I don’t care for the estimate. I think it underestimates British isles derived ancestry. It breaks the pattern I see in the big dna company tests I’ve done, g25, illustrativedna, etc.

Can you share your result?

I think the problem with a lot of the calculators is the time periods are never fully outlined. And so the admixtures that we show on tests like this one can show a different result based on the pieces we get from places like the British Isles or in my case Sweden and France also.

[Rhegion]

This is how it looks on my family:
https://i.imgur.com/n4afzZm.png

[ScandinavianCelt]

This is how it looks on my family:
https://i.imgur.com/n4afzZm.png

Thanks for sharing. How long ago would you guess you had only that, roughly, 15% Italian (including Sardinian)?

[Gannicus]

Can you share your result?

I think the problem with a lot of the calculators is the time periods are never fully outlined. And so the admixtures that we show on tests like this one can show a different result based on the pieces we get from places like the British Isles or in my case Sweden and France also.

137612

Not a good estimate for me

[RyoHazuki]

Its not very good.

137614

[Rhegion]

Thanks for sharing. How long ago would you guess you had only that, roughly, 15% Italian (including Sardinian)?

Hi, generally i think it's hard to know because the dates of the samples used, furthermore many probably perform the role of proxies or just overlap, so it is difficult to estimate when some affinities with certain populations can date back, especially given the very varied genetics influenced by many populations that historically characterize southern Italy. For example, "Sardinia" could simply indicate an excess of ANF and being inserted as a proxy. Same thing for "Iberia" and "nw europe", which could be partially mistaken for central-northern Italy dna like. The same goes for some of the other populations, for example, if there had been the "Southern Italian", "Aegean" and "Cyprus" populations, probably part of the "middle eastern" and "nw asia" areas would have been also partially absorbed into it.

[Balboa]

Thanks for sharing. How long ago would you guess you had only that, roughly, 15% Italian (including Sardinian)?

the "Sardinian" is probably some pseudo Sardinian like ancestral substrate all South Euros have