🧬 Post Your G25 Modern Distances (Scaled) – Ashkenazi, South Italian & Greek Members 🧬

[Lard]

I’m creating this thread for users of Ashkenazi Jewish, Southern Italian, and related Greek ancestry to share their G25 Modern Distances (Scaled) results so we can compare clustering patterns. This will help us see how much overlap exists between these groups and whether Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closer to Southern Italians and Greeks or to modern Levantines.
How to Participate:

If you belong to any of these groups, post your G25 Modern Scaled Distances below!
Post Format:

✔️ Your background (Ashkenazi, Sicilian, Calabrian, Peloponnesian, etc.)
✔️ Your G25 Modern Scaled Distances (copy-paste from Vahaduo or Illustrative DNA)
✔️ Any observations on your results

My Results Below ⬇️⬇️⬇️
https://i.ibb.co/spFhsLfF/fac41d74-7ccd-4296-ade0-ed9d9416b0a1.png
You can generate your own results using this G25 Modern Distances Mapping Tool:
🔗 ➡️ Explore Your DNA - G25 Mapping Tool:https://www.exploreyourdna.com/similitudeg25.aspx ⬅️

[Rhegion]

Judging by the map, are you primarily of Sicilian descent? Btw, apparently there's indeed significant genetic overlap between certain Jewish populations and Southern Italians/east med. Here's the maps showing my family genetic distances + Vahaduo, curiously, my father is still closer to Jewish groups despite using Moriopoulos coordinates with the proper "Reggio Calabria" samples:

Me:
https://i.imgur.com/5FhrnHK.png
Vahaduo Modern G25:
Distance to: Me
0.01515530 Italian_Calabria
0.01799322 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.01884721 Ashkenazi_France
0.01919360 Italian_Campania
0.01952813 Italian_Jew
0.02063938 Turkish_Jew
0.02114295 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.02281554 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02292687 Greek_Crete
0.02298576 Ashkenazi_Romania
0.02303951 Italian_Basilicata
0.02305954 Maltese
0.02323662 Italian_Apulia
0.02337491 Sicilian_East
0.02346725 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.02459119 Ashkenazi_Austria
0.02480256 Turkish_Crete
0.02583419 Greek_Apulia
0.02589050 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02599860 Ashkenazi_Latvia
0.02622800 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02658200 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.02679559 Greek_Dodecanese
0.02691618 Greek_Kos
0.02792837 Romaniote_Jew
Moriopoulos Modern G25:
Distance to: Me
0.01215396 Italian_Calabria_Reggio_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=9)
0.01744230 Italian_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=4)
0.01799336 Ashkenazi_Jew_Germany_(n=10)
0.01856992 Sicilian_West_(n=8)
0.01878393 Italian_Campania_(Campanian)_(n=14)
0.01884628 Ashkenazi_Jew_France_(n=8)
0.01959715 Italian_Campania_Naples_(Campanian)_(n=13)
0.02044008 Italian_Calabria_(Cosentian)_(n=3)
0.02095241 Sephardic_Jew_Turkey_(n=20)
0.02103354 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani_(n=22)
0.02110580 Italki_(Italian_Jew)_(n=9)
0.02125556 Sicilian_Central_(n=2)
0.02297978 Italian_Basilicata_(Lucanian)_(n=10)
0.02298595 Ashkenazi_Jew_Romania_(n=2)
0.02299660 Greek_Crete_Heraklion_(n=92)
0.02302624 Ashkenazi_Jew_Poland_(n=26)
0.02303860 Greek_Crete_(n=12)
0.02305945 Maltese_(n=8)
0.02346724 Greek_Crete_Lasithi_(n=6)
0.02355506 Ashkenazi_Jew_(n=1203)
0.02376040 Italian_Apulia_(Salentine)_(n=1)
0.02427549 Sicilian_Syracuse_(n=5)
0.02433411 Sicilian_(n=2)
0.02435820 Greek_Crete_Rethymno_(n=20)
0.02444889 Sicilian_Palermo_(n=2)

Father:
https://i.imgur.com/enp1Gai.png
Vahaduo Modern G25:
Distance to: Father
0.01669858 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.01815510 Ashkenazi_France
0.02057804 Italian_Jew
0.02112801 Italian_Calabria
0.02209358 Turkish_Jew
0.02484544 Italian_Campania
0.02612189 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02627825 Ashkenazi_Austria
0.02643946 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.02649379 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02661296 Romaniote_Jew
0.02708310 Ashkenazi_Romania
0.02714999 Maltese
0.02850572 Greek_Kos
0.02881588 Ashkenazi_Latvia
0.02892696 Greek_Crete
0.02905631 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.02918200 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.02918202 Italian_Basilicata
0.02960772 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.02963386 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.02999113 Turkish_Crete
0.03001593 Greek_Dodecanese
0.03001913 Sicilian_East
0.03130099 Italian_Apulia
Moriopoulos Modern G25:
Distance to: Father
0.01669855 Ashkenazi_Jew_Germany_(n=10)
0.01752491 Italian_Calabria_Reggio_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=9)
0.01815404 Ashkenazi_Jew_France_(n=8)
0.02050718 Italian_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=4)
0.02226841 Italki_(Italian_Jew)_(n=9)
0.02320628 Sephardic_Jew_Turkey_(n=20)
0.02423766 Sicilian_West_(n=8)
0.02439292 Italian_Campania_(Campanian)_(n=14)
0.02529006 Italki_(Italian_Jew)_o_(n=1)
0.02586732 Sicilian_Agrigento_(n=2)
0.02614490 Sabbatean_(Donme)_(n=2)
0.02627755 Ashkenazi_Jew_Austria_(n=2)
0.02643921 Ashkenazi_Jew_Lithuania_(n=11)
0.02647657 Italian_Campania_Naples_(Campanian)_(n=13)
0.02661269 Romaniote_(Yevanic_Jew)_(n=7)
0.02688361 Ashkenazi_Jew_Poland_(n=26)
0.02691964 Ashkenazi_Jew_Belarus_(n=15)
0.02701491 Ashkenazi_Jew_(n=1203)
0.02708311 Ashkenazi_Jew_Romania_(n=2)
0.02714982 Maltese_(n=8)
0.02738763 Italian_Calabria_(Cosentian)_(n=3)
0.02841372 Sephardic_Jew_Turkey_o_(n=2)
0.02850566 Greek_Dodecanese_Kos_(n=9)
0.02864818 Ashkenazi_Jew_Ukraine_(n=24)
0.02881558 Ashkenazi_Jew_Latvia_(n=2)

Maternal Grandpa:
https://i.imgur.com/r0QePlV.png
Vahaduo Modern G25:
Distance to: Maternal_Grandpa
0.01624127 Italian_Calabria
0.01862851 Italian_Campania
0.01913196 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01979013 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.02022299 Italian_Basilicata
0.02125603 Greek_Crete
0.02128695 Italian_Apulia
0.02146092 Greek_Apulia
0.02211753 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02318491 Turkish_Crete
0.02345756 Sicilian_East
0.02391887 Ashkenazi_France
0.02401112 Maltese
0.02509233 Greek_Kos
0.02525771 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.02565962 Ashkenazi_Romania
0.02607940 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.02617767 Italian_Jew
0.02642460 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.02673016 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.02703311 Turkish_Jew
0.02731929 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.02751904 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02757632 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.02785141 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
Moriopoulos Modern G25:
Distance to: Maternal_Grandpa
0.01286587 Italian_Calabria_Reggio_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=9)
0.01766053 Italian_Campania_(Campanian)_(n=14)
0.01835182 Sicilian_West_(n=8)
0.01938559 Italian_Campania_Naples_(Campanian)_(n=13)
0.01962043 Italian_Basilicata_(Lucanian)_(n=10)
0.01979028 Greek_Crete_Lasithi_(n=6)
0.01985193 Greek_Crete_Rethymno_(n=20)
0.01985815 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani_(n=22)
0.02049241 Italian_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=4)
0.02123574 Italian_Calabria_(Cosentian)_(n=3)
0.02126311 Greek_Crete_Heraklion_(n=92)
0.02146124 Greek_Italy_Apulia_(n=10)
0.02211741 Ashkenazi_Jew_Germany_(n=10)
0.02260411 Greek_Crete_(n=12)
0.02289236 Sicilian_Agrigento_(n=2)
0.02318549 Greek_Crete_Muslim_(Cretan_Turk)_(n=5)
0.02364214 Italian_Apulia_(Apulian)_(n=228)
0.02391826 Ashkenazi_Jew_France_(n=8)
0.02401119 Maltese_(n=8)
0.02413607 Sicilian_Syracuse_(n=5)
0.02455873 Sicilian_Central_(n=2)
0.02509220 Greek_Dodecanese_Kos_(n=9)
0.02525809 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos_(n=2)
0.02553160 Ashkenazi_Jew_(n=1203)
0.02565969 Ashkenazi_Jew_Romania_(n=2)

Maternal Grandma:
https://i.imgur.com/2rqXMnP.png
Vahaduo Modern G25:
Distance to: Maternal_Grandma
0.02228150 Italian_Calabria
0.02341969 Turkish_Jew
0.02364646 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02395238 Italian_Jew
0.02417522 Ashkenazi_France
0.02514024 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.02600093 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.02653882 Greek_Kos
0.02658123 Greek_Crete
0.02713201 Greek_Dodecanese
0.02716033 Italian_Campania
0.02747383 Romaniote_Jew
0.02831848 Maltese
0.02878299 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.02899906 Turkish_Crete
0.02924347 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.03061131 Sicilian_East
0.03064454 Greek_Apulia
0.03066321 Italian_Basilicata
0.03136746 Italian_Apulia
0.03147643 Ashkenazi_Austria
0.03154680 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.03288315 Bulgarian_Jew
0.03342574 Ashkenazi_Romania
0.03379317 Ashkenazi_Latvia
Moriopoulos Modern G25:
Distance to: Maternal_Grandma
0.01674129 Italian_Calabria_Reggio_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=9)
0.02293643 Italian_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=4)
0.02320744 Sephardic_Jew_Turkey_(n=20)
0.02364629 Ashkenazi_Jew_Germany_(n=10)
0.02417464 Ashkenazi_Jew_France_(n=8)
0.02464892 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani_(n=22)
0.02485796 Italki_(Italian_Jew)_(n=9)
0.02534412 Greek_Crete_(n=12)
0.02600146 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos_(n=2)
0.02647182 Italian_Campania_(Campanian)_(n=14)
0.02653904 Greek_Dodecanese_Kos_(n=9)
0.02659959 Sicilian_West_(n=8)
0.02692726 Greek_Crete_Heraklion_(n=92)
0.02743550 Italian_Campania_Naples_(Campanian)_(n=13)
0.02747313 Romaniote_(Yevanic_Jew)_(n=7)
0.02794852 Greek_Crete_Rethymno_(n=20)
0.02806611 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes_(n=15)
0.02831829 Maltese_(n=8)
0.02840110 Italian_Calabria_(Cosentian)_(n=3)
0.02878296 Greek_Crete_Lasithi_(n=6)
0.02899981 Greek_Crete_Muslim_(Cretan_Turk)_(n=5)
0.02918358 Sabbatean_(Donme)_(n=2)
0.02938393 Italian_Apulia_(Salentine)_(n=1)
0.02972317 Sicilian_Central_(n=2)
0.02998690 Sicilian_Agrigento_(n=2)

Cousin:
https://i.imgur.com/wgJegxs.png
Vahaduo Modern G25:
Distance to: Cousin
0.02278825 Greek_Kos
0.02357432 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.02593442 Italian_Calabria
0.02723186 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.02790973 Ashkenazi_France
0.02845937 Greek_Dodecanese
0.03005975 Greek_Crete
0.03014073 Italian_Campania
0.03031411 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.03059464 Italian_Jew
0.03063624 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.03066564 Turkish_Jew
0.03118455 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.03126300 Turkish_Crete
0.03206922 Italian_Basilicata
0.03212748 Romaniote_Jew
0.03230114 Greek_Apulia
0.03413653 Maltese
0.03425275 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.03521452 Cypriot
0.03601575 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.03602987 Italian_Apulia
0.03625253 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.03769715 Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.03776400 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
Moriopoulos Modern G25:
Distance to: Cousin
0.02015243 Italian_Calabria_Reggio_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=9)
0.02278829 Greek_Dodecanese_Kos_(n=9)
0.02309305 Sicilian_Agrigento_(n=2)
0.02312041 Italian_Calabria_(Calabrese)_(n=4)
0.02357403 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos_(n=2)
0.02723140 Ashkenazi_Jew_Germany_(n=10)
0.02790887 Ashkenazi_Jew_France_(n=8)
0.02873476 Italian_Campania_(Campanian)_(n=14)
0.02913481 Sicilian_West_(n=8)
0.02956763 Greek_Crete_Rethymno_(n=20)
0.03008467 Greek_Crete_Heraklion_(n=92)
0.03022158 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes_(n=15)
0.03031371 Greek_Crete_Lasithi_(n=6)
0.03102941 Greek_Crete_(n=12)
0.03126359 Greek_Crete_Muslim_(Cretan_Turk)_(n=5)
0.03154029 Italki_(Italian_Jew)_(n=9)
0.03154689 Italian_Campania_Naples_(Campanian)_(n=13)
0.03163751 Sephardic_Jew_Turkey_(n=20)
0.03170675 Sephardic_Jew_Turkey_o_(n=2)
0.03212712 Romaniote_(Yevanic_Jew)_(n=7)
0.03214247 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Deep_Mani_(n=22)
0.03215619 Italian_Basilicata_(Lucanian)_(n=10)
0.03220899 Italian_Calabria_(Cosentian)_(n=3)
0.03230160 Greek_Italy_Apulia_(n=10)
0.03413634 Maltese_(n=8)

[Kenshiro]

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From Apulia

[Petalpusher]

I thought i could get a few Italian dots but no success.

https://i.postimg.cc/zXY7z9Fv/b50cac3f-6b5d-40fe-8cea-4b7f66c4871f.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I thought i could get a few Italian dots but no success.

https://i.postimg.cc/zXY7z9Fv/b50cac3f-6b5d-40fe-8cea-4b7f66c4871f.png

Strange results. You're virtually distant from almost every French benchmark, apart from what seems to be Le Mans.

[Petalpusher]

Strange results. You're virtually distant from almost every French benchmark, apart from what seems to be Le Mans.

Yes it should be more shifted to eastern France but it's just autosomal guessing and balancing, no IBD segments testing.

[Lard]

Hey, sorry for the long delay in replying — I took a break from all online activity for a while.

So yeah, I’m a mix of Sicilian and mainland Southern Italian, with about 1/8th English thrown in. Based on this heatmap, I’m pinging hard in western Sicily, especially around the Trapani region — and interestingly, there’s a detectable Northwest European signal showing up there too.
https://i.ibb.co/spFhsLfF/fac41d74-7ccd-4296-ade0-ed9d9416b0a1.png

That NW European input mostly comes from a few key historical layers:


Normans (11th–12th c.) – Came from Normandy (with Viking roots), conquered Sicily, and established the Kingdom of Sicily. They brought Northern French and Norse-derived genes, including Y-DNA like R1b-U106.

Lombards (6th–8th c.) – A Germanic tribe that settled much of Italy after Rome fell. Some later moved into Sicily under Norman rule.

Swabians (12th–13th c.) – Under Frederick II of the Hohenstaufen dynasty, Germans from southwestern Europe had a strong administrative and cultural presence in Sicily.

Angevins (13th c.) – Brief French rule after the Normans, before the Sicilian Vespers kicked them out. Small but relevant genetic trace.


All of this left a minor but visible genetic footprint in places like Trapani and Palermo — enough that you sometimes see a subtle pull toward NW Europe in PCA or G25/Vahaduo models.

Also wanted to tag you @Rhegion — I recently made a thread you might dig. It’s about the Greco-Roman origins of Ashkenazi Jews, starting with the Romanized Jewish communities of Magna Graecia and how they helped shape Ashkenazi ethnogenesis. Here’s the link:

Buried in Plain Sight: Southern European Ethnogenesis of Ashkenazi Jews (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?396824-%26%23129516%3B-Buried-in-Plain-Sight-Southern-European-Ethnogenesis-of-Ashkenazi-Jews)

Would love to hear your take if you get a chance!

[unmoggable]

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[celticdragongod]

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[vasiliki23]

142174

[Lard]

142174

That heatmap makes perfect sense given your background. Western Macedonia, Central Greece, and Thessaly are exactly where the strongest signals show up — especially for people with significant Vlach ancestry. The absence of Southern Italy isn’t surprising in your case, since your profile reflects a more inland, highland Balkan ancestry, not one shaped by Magna Graecia or coastal Italo-Greek connections.

Vlach ancestry in particular is known for having more conservative, mountainous genetic signatures — often clustering in mainland Greece, southern Albania, and parts of the central Balkans — rather than showing overlap with Southern Italians or island Greeks.

Just goes to show how genetically regional Greek profiles can be. Yours is a good example of a North-Central mainland Greek with minimal Italo-Greek pull, which fits the historical and migratory patterns pretty well.

[Coastal Elite]

https://i.ibb.co/0RSwwQbF/c1a2c5bc-bef4-48f1-a1df-a09490c3ce77.png (https://ibb.co/sdGBBtY6)

[vader]

Honorary south Italian since i'm south Portuguese?

https://i.imgur.com/t37BJGX.png

[Lard]

Honorary south Italian since i'm south Portuguese?

https://i.imgur.com/t37BJGX.png

Honorary South Italian? Sure, have a slice of pizza with a little bacalhau on top to make it properly Portuguese.

[vader]

Honorary South Italian? Sure, have a slice of pizza with a little bacalhau on top to make it properly Portuguese.

I'm going to try this out!

[gixajo]

Honorary south Italian since i'm south Portuguese?

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We Iberians are the real Romans&Etruscans!!!

https://i.imgur.com/h3foiOv.png

[RyoHazuki]

No surprises here :)
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