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ScandinavianCelt
03-09-2025, 01:13 PM
Can this work?

Using your Ancestral_Altaic resultant % from the MDLP k23b on Gedmatch, take that resultant % and divide it by 18.68% the Saami get, and voila!

Saami scores 18.68% Ancestral_Altaic.

My score for Ancestral_Altaic: 6.32%

6.32% divided by 18.68% (Saami) = 33.8% of the Saami result

So I show roughly 1/3 of the Ancestral_Altaic that the Saami get.

How does this correlate to a Saami % for me?

My score of 6.32% plots me between Swede_Saami (6.22%) and Mongolian (6.33%). Could my result merely mean I get my Ancestral_Altaic via Swedish Saami with some Mongolian admixture also?

Spreadsheet results for those groups scoring over 2% Ancestral_Altaic:

Where do you plot here for your score?

Ancestral_Altaic Population
46.83 Khant
40.55 Tubalar
39.68 Mansi
36.34 Ket
28.69 Selkup
28.61 Nenets_Forest
28.04 Nenets_Tundra
26.72 Nenets
25.35 Udmurd
20.57 Hakas
18.68 Saami
17.17 Mari
16 Chuvash
15.56 Bashkir
15.03 Altaian
14.99 Komi
14.38 Saami_Finland
13.36 Tatar-Siberian
12.83 Chuvashs
12.82 Tatar_Kryashen
12.7 Tajik_Yagnobi
12.53 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan
12.27 Dargin_Urkarah
11.09 Tatar
10.77 Lak
10.16 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan
10 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim
9.95 Avar
9.87 Tuvinian
9.85 Saami_Kola
9.64 Stalskoe_Kumyk
9.59 Turkmen_Afghan
9.58 Lezgin
9.33 Burusho
8.6 Russian-Ural
8.31 Jatt_Haryana
8.26 Chechen
7.96 Azeri_Dagestan
7.88 Kyrgyz_Bishkek
7.67 Tatar_Mishar
7.66 Finn_East
7.64 Tabassaran
7.57 Karakalpak
7.47 Kazakh
7.42 Finnish-East
7.19 North_Ossetian
7.11 Finn
6.92 Pashtun_Afghani
6.89 Uzbek
6.61 Adygei
6.61 Finnish_FIN
6.61 Tajik_Tajikistan
6.6 Tatar-Kazan
6.6 Uygur
6.58 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
6.54 Ojibwa
6.52 Nogai
6.5 Kyrgyz
6.49 Karelian
6.48 Balkar
6.43 Kumyk
6.35 Tajik_Afghan
6.33 Mongolian
6.22 Swede_Saami
6.12 GujaratiA_GIH
6.1 Georgian_Svan
6.08 Pakistani_Pushtun
6.02 Orcadian
5.99 Pathan
5.97 Tatar-Mishar
5.95 Abkhasian
5.9 Vepsa
5.88 Ossetian
5.79 Finn_West
5.79 Kalash
5.79 Norwegian_West
5.78 Cree
5.75 English_Cornwall_GBR
5.71 Kalmyk
5.69 Erzya
5.63 British
5.58 Russian_Vologda
5.54 Tiwari
5.49 Icelandic
5.47 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
5.41 Kazahs
5.41 Russian-North
5.38 Hazara
5.33 Brahmins_UP
5.33 Russian-Upper-Volga
5.31 Frisian
5.26 Swede
5.25 Dutch
5.22 Cirkassian
5.21 Uygur-Han
5.19 Baku_WGA
5.14 Moksha
5.07 Afghan_Pushtun
5.03 Dane
5.02 Belgian
5.02 Kshatriya
4.97 Punjabi_Gujjar
4.93 English_Kent_GBR
4.89 CEU
4.88 Jatt_Pahari
4.85 Georgian_Tbilisi
4.81 English
4.8 German-Volga
4.71 Buryat
4.67 Irish
4.66 Tlingit
4.6 Welsh
4.58 Jatt_Muslim
4.5 Kakheti
4.49 Norwegian_East
4.46 Mordovian
4.42 Muslim_India
4.4 Georgian
4.39 GujaratiB_GIH
4.38 Uzbek_Afghan
4.36 Adjara
4.36 North_European
4.34 Kabardin
4.19 Russian_Meshtchyora
4.17 Pakistani
4.05 Miwok
4.04 Iraki
3.98 Aleut
3.94 French
3.92 GujaratiC_GIH
3.9 Nepalese
3.67 TN_Brahmin
3.61 Azeri
3.56 Russian-West
3.55 Russian_North
3.51 Srivastava
3.44 Georgian_Megrelia
3.43 Tatar-Lithuanian
3.38 Greek_Phokaia
3.36 Kurd
3.29 Dharkar
3.27 Spanish_Aragon_IBS
3.23 Spiti
3.21 Sindhi
3.2 Mongolian_QH
3.18 Italian_North
3.15 Kurd_East
3.14 Crimean_Tatar_Step
3.13 Belarusian-East
3.08 Vaish
3.03 Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS
3.02 Basque_French
3.01 Kurd_South
2.95 Meghawal
2.91 Balt
2.87 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
2.87 Spanish_Cantabria_IBS
2.85 Serb_Serbia
2.82 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
2.81 Uzbekistani_Jew
2.78 Hindi
2.78 Mongol_Khalkha
2.77 North_German
2.77 Russian-North-West
2.74 Russian_South
2.74 Spanish_Baleares_IBS
2.67 Kurd_North
2.66 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS
2.65 Dusadh
2.59 German_East
2.58 Austrian
2.57 Estonian
2.57 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS
2.53 Spanish_Valencia_IBS
2.51 German
2.49 Brahmin_Tamil
2.49 Turk
2.47 Basque_Spanish
2.46 Turk_Istanbul
2.43 Marathi
2.41 Bengali
2.37 Iranian
2.37 Spanish_Galicia_IBS
2.37 Turk_Kayseri
2.34 Greek_Macedonia
2.33 Georgian_Imereti
2.31 Turk_Aydin
2.29 French_South
2.29 Iraqi_Chaldean
2.28 Ukrainian_Center
2.27 Haida
2.26 Spanish_Cataluna_IBS
2.25 South_German
2.22 Pahari
2.19 Kanjar
2.18 Puerto_Rican
2.18 Syrian_Jew
2.17 Turk_Balikesir
2.15 Satnami
2.15 Tamil_Singapore
2.14 Athabask
2.11 Algonquin
2.09 Nganasan
2.09 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS
2.09 Tsimsian
2.08 Latvian
2.07 Ukrainian_West
2.04 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL
2.02 Slovak
2.01 Kashub
1.97 Armenian_Yerevan
1.97 Bhil
1.97 Tharu
1.96 Spaniard
1.95 Georgian_Laz
1.93 Chenchu
1.93 Tatar_Lithuania
1.9 Ain_Touta_WGA
1.89 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS
1.88 Central_Greek
1.88 Italian_Bergamo
1.86 Turk_Adana
1.86 Uzbek_Tashkent
1.85 Assyrian_Iraqi
1.82 Spanish_Murcia_IBS
1.81 Belarusian_West
1.81 Italian_Piedmont
1.8 Ashkenazi_Jew
1.79 Ukrainian_East
1.78 Mongola_China
1.77 Apache
1.77 Greek_Northwest
1.77 Hungarian
1.76 Mexican
1.71 Jew_Tat
1.71 Romanian_Jew
1.7 Scheduled_Caste_UP
1.69 Portugese
1.66 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB
1.65 Telugu_Kannada
1.6 Georgian_Jew
1.6 Sorb
1.57 Greek_Peloponnesos
1.56 Italian_Tuscan
1.54 Even
1.51 Albanian_Tirana
1.51 Navajo
1.51 Spanish_Canarias_IBS
1.5 Romanian
1.49 Chamar
1.48 Lodhi
1.48 Montenegrian
1.47 Azov_Greek
1.47 Colombian
1.43 Czech
1.43 Kol
1.42 Cucupa
1.41 Maltese
1.41 Turk_Trabzon
1.39 Italian_Abruzzo
1.38 Ukrainian
1.35 Bulgarian
1.33 Hungarian_Budapest
1.32 Greek_Thessaly
1.32 Sicilian_Trapani
1.31 Cochin_Jew
1.29 Greek
1.29 Parsi
1.28 Serrano
1.27 Armenian
1.27 Druze
1.27 West_Greenland
1.23 Gagauz
1.23 Sicilian_Agrigento
1.23 Tu
1.22 Australian_ECCAC
1.21 Assyrian_Arzni
1.21 Greek_Athens
1.21 Sicilian_West
1.19 Tibetian_Madou
1.18 Greek_Thessaloniki
1.18 Slovenian
1.18 Syrian
1.17 Croat
1.17 Russian_Center
1.16 Belarusian_Russian
1.16 Greek_Islands
1.13 Mixed_East_Slav
1.12 Turk_Jew
1.1 Macedonian
1.08 Cretan
1.08 Croat_BH
1.07 Bosnian
1.07 Lambadi
1.07 Roma_Slovenian
1.06 Bhili
1.05 Mexican_CV
1.02 Kosovar
1.02 Lebanese
1 Iranian_Jew
1 Italian_Jew
0.99 Balochi
0.98 Sicilian_Siracusa
0.97 Serb_BH
0.97 Xibo
0.96 Greek_Smyrna
0.96 Makrani
0.94 Afroamerican
0.94 Jordanian
0.94 Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu
0.92 Lebanese_Muslim
0.92 Luiseno
0.91 Don_cossack
0.91 GujaratiD_GIH
0.9 Circassian
0.89 Sephardic_Jew
0.87 Belarusian_South
0.87 Kuban_cossack
0.85 BedouinA
0.85 Pole
0.85 Yukagir_Forest
0.83 AA_Denver
0.81 Lebanese_Druze
0.78 Belarusian
0.78 Roma
0.77 Tibetian_TTR
0.71 Iraqi_Mandean
0.7 Malay_Malasia
0.69 Brahui
0.68 French_Jew
0.68 Totonac
0.67 Khomani
0.67 Kurd_Jew
0.66 Cochimi
0.66 Hakkipikki
0.66 Moroccan_Jew
0.62 Ashkenazi
0.62 Cypriot
0.62 Palestinian
0.61 Mumbai_Jew
0.6 Algerian
0.6 Lithuanian
0.59 Agta
0.59 Lebanese_Christian
0.58 Iraqi_Jew
0.58 Roma_Macedonian
0.58 Velama
0.54 Italian_South
0.54 Tunisian_Jew
0.53 Malay_Singapore
0.52 Chilote
0.52 Egyptian_Iskandaria
0.52 Malay
0.52 Sicilian_Center
0.51 Yukagir_Tundra
0.5 Agta_AG
0.5 Kumiai
0.49 Bolivian_Cochabamba
0.48 Dayak
0.48 Libyan_Jew
0.48 Moroccan
0.48 Yemen
0.47 Kusunda
0.44 Nihali
0.43 African_Caribbean
0.43 Roma_BH
0.42 Chabakano
0.42 Marwadi_Middle_caste
0.41 Daur
0.4 Batak_Toba
0.4 Madiga
0.4 Mon
0.38 Saudi
0.37 Velamas
0.37 Vishwabrahmin
0.35 Nguni
0.34 Egyptian_Tanta
0.33 BedouinB
0.33 Cachi
0.31 Bolivian
0.31 Egyptian_Mansoura
0.3 Batak_Karo
0.3 Mala
0.3 Roma_Bulgarian
0.3 Sicilian_East
0.29 Hallaki
0.29 Jehai
0.28 Gond
0.28 Kamsali
0.28 Kurumba
0.26 Egyptian_Kuwait
0.26 Filipino
0.26 Tagalog
0.25 Christian_Arabs_Israel
0.24 Dolgan
0.24 Han-Mandarin
0.24 Shaigi_Sudan
0.23 Eskimo_Naukan
0.23 Manobo
0.23 Mayan
0.23 Tunisian
0.21 Cambodian
0.21 Kensiu
0.21 Piramalai_Kallar
0.21 Quechua_Peru
0.19 Hmong
0.19 Inga
0.19 Javanese
0.19 Jinuo
0.19 MbutiPygmy
0.19 Morocco_South
0.19 Oroqen
0.18 Mixtec
0.18 TN_Dalit
0.18 Yakut
0.18 Zapotec
0.17 Htin
0.17 Mozabite
0.17 Nama
0.17 Yemenite_Jew
0.16 Ayta_AE
0.16 Tai_Lue
0.16 Temuan
0.15 Dhaka_mixed_popul
0.15 Pulliyar
0.15 Tai_Yuan
0.13 Hezhen
0.13 Jiamao
0.13 Karen
0.13 Muslim_Arabs_Israel
0.13 Nysha
0.13 Pima
0.13 Yao
0.12 Bolivian_Pando
0.12 Jagoi
0.12 Lawa
0.12 Paluang
0.11 !Kung
0.11 Ari
0.11 Egyptian_Kairo
0.11 Hmong_Miao
0.11 Manggarai
0.11 Toraja
0.11 Vietnamese_north
0.11 Vysya
0.11 Wa
0.1 Egyptian_Cairo
0.1 Hema
0.1 Ilocano
0.1 Pygmy
0.1 Sardinian
0.09 Berber_WGA
0.09 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh
0.09 Lemba
0.09 Plang
0.09 Qatari
0.09 Sunda
0.08 Han_North
0.08 Korean_KR
0.08 Mentawai
0.08 Thai
0.08 Zhuang
0.07 Alorese
0.07 Damara
0.07 Koryak
0.07 Malayan
0.07 Ryukyuan
0.07 Yong
0.06 Esomali
0.06 Kambera
0.06 Mamanawa
0.06 Murut
0.06 Naidu
0.06 Sakilli
0.06 Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus
0.05 Ati
0.05 Bolivian_LaPaz
0.05 Cantonese
0.05 Chinese_Taiwan
0.05 Ethiopian_Tygray
0.05 Japanese_ML
0.05 Santhal
0.04 Afar_WGA
0.04 Khmer_Cambodian
0.04 Piapoco
0.04 Samaritian
0.04 Sotho_Tswana
0.04 Vietnamese
0.03 Amhara
0.03 Hakka
0.03 Iraya
0.03 Khwe
0.03 Lamaholt
0.03 Masai_Ayodo
0.03 Masai_Kinyawa_MKK
0.03 Paniya
0.03 Quechua_Bolivia
0.03 Wolyata
0.03 Xhosa
0.02 Aymara
0.02 Bajo
0.02 Chukchi
0.02 Ethiopian_Jew
0.02 Haiom
0.02 Lebbo
0.02 Mlabri
0.02 Pedi
0.02 Saharawi
0.02 Sandawe
0.02 Ulchi
0.01 Aeta
0.01 Australian
0.01 Bambaran
0.01 BantuKenya
0.01 Bhunjia
0.01 Datog
0.01 Dogon
0.01 Dusun
0.01 Ethiopian_Oromo
0.01 Gambian_GWD
0.01 Hadza
0.01 Han_Singapore
0.01 Ho
0.01 Iban
0.01 Kharia
0.01 Kikuyu
0.01 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV
0.01 Lahu
0.01 Lembata
0.01 Luhya_Kenya_LWK
0.01 Mada
0.01 Mandenka
0.01 Naasioi
0.01 Naro
0.01 Shua
0.01 Tai_Khuen
0.01 Tshwa
0.01 Vietnamese_central

gixajo
03-09-2025, 01:36 PM
Ancestral_Altaic 1.9 Pct

So aprox. 1/10 of what Saami people get.

Between Central_Greek (1.88) or Italian_Bergamo (1.88) and Spaniard (1.96).

Balboa
03-09-2025, 01:59 PM
Altaic score: 2.06

Saami score: 0,11

2.07 Ukrainian_West
2.04 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL

inbetween these two

ScandinavianCelt
03-09-2025, 02:03 PM
Ancestral_Altaic 1.9 Pct

So aprox. 1/10 of what Saami people get.

Between Central_Greek (1.88) or Italian_Bergamo (1.88) and Spaniard (1.96).

So you match Ain Touta (Algeria) for your Ancestral_Altaic.

ScandinavianCelt
03-09-2025, 02:06 PM
My K36 full Centromeres & LCR does end up plotting my more ancient DNA this way:

"Target: SC_K36_Centromeres&LCR_Merged_Raw
Distance: 29.4551% / 29.45511320 | ADC: 2x RC"
57.4 Swedish_North
42.6 Komi

"Target: SC_K36_Centromeres&LCR_Merged_Raw
Distance: 26.7019% / 26.70194116 | ADC: 1x RC"
50.1 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Pinezhsky
49.9 Cornish

"Target: SC_K36_Centromeres&LCR_Merged_Raw
Distance: 26.4663% / 26.46628297 | ADC: 0.5x RC"
42.3 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Pinezhsky
41 Cornish
9.9 Mari
6.8 Faroese

ScandinavianCelt
03-09-2025, 02:41 PM
I don't think the spreadsheets work well for people with mixed backgrounds, even if mixed within particular regions of Europe. The % results I get are more than likely just an average of both sides of my family background, so my HG score plots me closest to Austrian, but how relevant is that? It's more likely the midpoint of a Swedish & Irish/English admixture.

gixajo
03-09-2025, 04:41 PM
So you match Ain Touta (Algeria) for your Ancestral_Altaic.

You had not posted the complete list when I posted that. I did a quick search and I did not see either that reference of 1.9 that coincides with my score, Spain Andalusia with 1.89 and that reference you said with 1.90 are closer to my score than any of the ones I posted.:thumb001:

cass
03-09-2025, 04:45 PM
Ancestral_Altaic 0.27 Pct
as well as some other minor signals

EasternLusitanian
03-09-2025, 05:52 PM
Neither me nor my mother get any ancestral altaic, is that common?

ScandinavianCelt
03-09-2025, 06:23 PM
Ancestral_Altaic 0.27 Pct
as well as some other minor signals

I'm wondering if some people can connect to the Saami and show different groups for example people in the caucus mountains may have inherited a different route to them and so therefore they don't have that same connection I don't know exactly but maybe it just depends on the period of time that a person is picking it up how many different groups fall between you and them I don't know I really can't understand all this movements over time

Athalafuns
03-09-2025, 07:53 PM
Ancestral_Altaic 4.39 Pct
Saami: 0.23%

Plot between 4.39 GujaratiB_GIH / 4.38 Uzbek_Afghan

R1b-L51
03-09-2025, 08:55 PM
1,03%*(100/18,68)%= 5,514 % of the Sammi result

Between kosovar and mexica (1,03)

nittionia
03-09-2025, 09:06 PM
Ancestral Altaic: 6.76 Pct/18.68% = 36.19%

Pohjanpoika
03-09-2025, 10:36 PM
Ancestral Altaic: 7.14 Pct/18.68% = 38.22%

Between Finn (7.11) and North_Ossetian (7.19)

Julkka
04-18-2025, 06:47 AM
Ancestral_Altaic 9.66
51.7%

Mopi The Dire Wolf
04-18-2025, 07:25 AM
Ancestral_Altaic 5.21 Pct

= 28% of Saami score

same as Uygur-Han

Alakasız
04-20-2025, 11:15 PM
Ancestral Altaic: 6.41 Pct/18.68% = 34.31%

Between 6.35 Tajik_Afghan and 6.43 Kumyk

Vessna
04-20-2025, 11:42 PM
Ancestral_Altaic 0.27 Pct
as well as some other minor signals

Ancestral_Altaic 1.99 Pct
This doesn’t correlate with whatever it should be for my ethnicity according to the table
I also get Arctic 2.14 Pct whatever that means

Gallop
04-21-2025, 12:06 AM
FDNA
Ancestral_Altaic 2.47 Pct
Ancestry
Ancestral_Altaic 2.69 Pct

0.18


2.47 Basque_Spanish

2.69 no está, lo más cercano es: 2.67 Kurd_North

1.89 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS
La verdad es que no sé dónde hacen las mediciones para Andalucía, quizá se las inventan.... jaja