The Jomon have Indian ancestry - QPADM runs

[AndreiDNA]

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Here's a run on jomon and Japanese with the same exact rightgroups and leftgroups.
It really shows the indian/Indus valley ancestry present in Jomon

[Oliver109]

Interesting, could that be why some Ainu look similar to Sikhs?

[Peterski]

In GEDmatch calculators they also score some South Asian.

[AndreiDNA]

I was asked
"in that thread,
please elucidate how this does not illustrate

an earlier common ancestry
present in both jōmon and indus valley.

thank you
for indulging my curiousity. "
So I modeled Jomon with Iran N instead of Indus valley. Iran N is a west eurasian component and wouldn't be present in East Eurasians who don't have western (Such as IVC) admixture
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[AndreiDNA]

To further expand on that, I modeled Jomon with Korean, Papuan, and Punjabi
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[Lucas]

This is why they are hairy.

[lei.talk]

https://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png
https://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AxXwYGgWK4

[Demirkazık]

Your right list is incorrect, which is causing the issue. Replace Kostenki with Ust'-Ishim, as Kostenki is unnecessary since you are not modeling a West Eurasian. Remove EHG too. Your model should include the following:

'Mbuti.DG', 'Russia_UstIshim_IUP.DG', 'Georgia_Kotias_UP.SG', 'Papuan.DG', 'China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic.AG', 'China_Tianyuan.AG.BY.AA', 'China_Fujian_Qihe_Epipaleolithic.AG.SG', 'China_Guangxi_Longlin_Epipaleolithic.AG', 'Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG' etc.

You may also want to rotate between Satsurblia, Wezmeh, and Tepe Abdul Hosein, among others. To check for any West Eurasian affinity, you can include MA1 or AG3 in the left list. Use Papuan if you are testing for southern drift. However, they are best modeled as primarily Basal East Asian (e.g., Tianyuan, Qihe, AmurRiver_LPaleolithic) along with an ANA source (DevilsCave_N) and minor ANE ancestry.

[Demirkazık]

So I modeled Jomon with Iran N instead of Indus valley. Iran N is a west eurasian component and wouldn't be present in East Eurasians who don't have western (Such as IVC) admixture
138007


To further expand on that, I modeled Jomon with Korean, Papuan, and Punjabi
138008

What are those???! There is no need to include WHG, Iberomaurisian, Dzudzuana, East African hunter-gatherers, or Natufians. Additionally, your right list contains two very similar sources, AG3 and MA1, as well as two WHG sources, which is completely unnecessary. :picard2:

[AndreiDNA]

What are those???! There is no need to include WHG, Iberomaurisian, Dzudzuana, East African hunter-gatherers, or Natufians. Additionally, your right list contains two very similar sources, AG3 and MA1, as well as two WHG sources, which is completely unnecessary. :picard2:

"There is no need to include WHG, Iberomaurisian, Dzudzuana, East African hunter-gatherers, or Natufians. "
there absolutely is. There is a leftpop that has ancestry from those components. Punjabis have WHG, Dzudzuana ancestry, and have increased affinities to the other groups you mentioned relative to Koreans and Papuans. Same goes for Iran N model.
When you message this you come off as completely clueless.
AG3 and MA1 are drastically different from each other despite both being ANE. Also there is nothing wrong with including 2 similar groups in right pops, once again it is clear you know nothing about QPADM modeling.

Regarding your previous comment.
"Your right list is incorrect, which is causing the issue"
There is no issue. The pval is good, the SE are good. What issue are you talking about?
"Replace Kostenki with Ust'-Ishim, as Kostenki is unnecessary since you are not modeling a West Eurasian"
Once again it is clear you don't know jack when it comes to modeling. If you include a west eurasian leftpop you also need to include west eurasian rightpops that are ancestral to the leftpop. What you are modeling is irrelevant here. Rightpops have to support leftpops.

[Peterski]

BTW Andrei, have you noticed that Australian Aborigines also have Indian-like admixture (which is not present in Papuans)?

There was also one study which detected such admixture:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1211927110

[ShieldWolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AxXwYGgWK4
Very good discussion of Indian DNA. However, I believe men (without women) from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe replacing existing Y-DNA in Northern India is indicative of an invasion; especially when Sanskrit, the Vedas, and the higher castes all tie back to these men from the Steppe. Over the last 35+ years, historians have embraced the idea that invasions rarely happened, just friendly migration instead. No Anglo-Saxon invasion, Aryan invasion, etc. I doubt it, and believe that in addition to invading India, men from the Steppe invaded Western Europe and largely replaced the existing Y-DNA there as well.

Have you read Early Indians by Tony Joseph (https://www.google.com/search?q=Early+Indians+%3A+The+Story+of+Our+Ancest ors+and+Where+We+Came+From+by+Tony+Joseph)? I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the subject.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Rx6IYd8uL._SY522_.jpg (https://www.google.com/search?q=Early+Indians+%3A+The+Story+of+Our+Ancest ors+and+Where+We+Came+From+by+Tony+Joseph)

[Vanyx]

The explain why they looked they had west eurasian admixture.

[Nurzat]

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while on the street randomly in any video from Japan you almost never see such types, they seem to have preferred them for films in the 50s-60s, like this famous actor, who I think looks a bit Jomon, with the big and deeper set eyes (for an East Asian) and weaker fold/no fold:

https://images.mubicdn.net/images/cast_member/5054/cache-661599-1680365796/image-w856.jpg

Yayoi vs Jomon face:
https://i0.wp.com/napost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/YayoiJinVsJyomonJin.jpg

[Oliver109]

while on the street randomly in any video from Japan you almost never see such types, they seem to have preferred them for films in the 50s-60s, like this famous actor, who I think looks very Jomon, with the big eyes and weaker fold/no fold:

https://images.mubicdn.net/images/cast_member/5054/cache-661599-1680365796/image-w856.jpg

He looks similar to rishi sunak lol