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R1b-L51
03-28-2025, 03:28 AM
*INDO-ARYAN ANCESTOR

Gyvakarai1_10bp,0.12244312,0.0867149,0.05225324,0. 06092556,0.01237556,0.0244885,0.00791422,0.0106243 6,-0.00737058,-0.02484582,0.00043062,-0.0020716,0.00778678,-0.00232034,0.0023492,-0.00268724,-0.00679982,-0.00176806,-0.00297244,-0.00478052,0.00155092,0.00128408,-0.0059949,0.00726656,-0.0019295

Target: Gyvakarai1_10bp
Distance: 4.1128% / 0.04112840
59.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.2 WHG
3.4 Han
2.0 Nganassan


*ASTUR/ASTYR IBERIAN NW-IBERIA =

INDOARIAN + IBERIAN WHG " ANCIENT PROTOBASQUE" (paternal haplogroup G2a or I2a)

NEO653,0.1229468,0.1453295,0.04205084,0.00049044,0 .04903224,-0.00227656,-0.0002688,0.0011413,0.02150622,0.03439886,-0.00641346,0.0118892,-0.01951694,-0.01302932,0.00503222,-0.00384642,-0.00201012,7.172E-05,0.00039102,-0.0032947,0.00338212,0.00218784,-0.00964528,-0.0027681,-0.00056857

Target: NEO653
Distance: 3.5516% / 0.03551563
57.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 WHG
0.2 Han
0.2 MAR_Taforalt


*ME =

ASTUR IBERIAN NW + ROMAN/NORTH AFRICAN INFLUENCES

ROBERTOFERN_scaled,0.100164,0.140143,0.035449,-0.000323,0.041854,-0.005578,0.00282,0.002538,0.020861,0.030616,-0.00406,0.006894,-0.013528,-0.009221,0.008007,-0.005967,-0.006258,-0.000253,-0.011816,-0.002626,0.004742,-0.012118,-0.010599,-0.003253,0.001437

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.6677% / 0.03667660
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.2 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
3.4 Armenia_KapsUnknown2_EBA_KuraAraxes_dup.I22907.AG
0.2 Gambian


CALCULATOR:


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Armenia_KapsUnknown2_EBA_KuraAraxes_dup.I22907.AG: ARM001.AG__BC_3467__Cov_54.70%,0.102441,0.135065,-0.07467,-0.041667,-0.048932,-0.005578,0.011751,-0.010846,-0.065448,-0.019681,-0.002273,0.014237,-0.019623,0.00812,0.003529,-0.016309,-0.012126,-0.008742,0.002388,-0.002001,0.003494,0,-0.011339,-0.006507,0
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Gaditanian
03-28-2025, 09:20 AM
Target: Gaditanian
Distance: 2.8750% / 0.02874967
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 WHG
6.2 MAR_Taforalt
1.8 Han
0.6 ETH_4500BP

https://gifdb.com/images/high/pai-mei-nice-uhhakyuq6zurnq77.gif

R1b-L51
03-28-2025, 01:08 PM
Target: Gaditanian
Distance: 2.8750% / 0.02874967
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 WHG
6.2 MAR_Taforalt
1.8 Han
0.6 ETH_4500BP

https://gifdb.com/images/high/pai-mei-nice-uhhakyuq6zurnq77.gif

More Yamnaya than me!!

EasternLusitanian
03-28-2025, 01:27 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0277% / 0.02765981
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.2 WHG
7.2 MAR_Taforalt

I don't know how you get all those weird traces, most spaniards are just a combination of this four populations

RyoHazuki
03-28-2025, 08:36 PM
Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 4.3377% / 0.04337692
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.6 TUR_Barcin_N
15.2 WHG

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 6.2639% / 0.06263905
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 WHG
0.2 Dinka

R1b-L51
03-28-2025, 09:08 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0277% / 0.02765981
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.2 WHG
7.2 MAR_Taforalt

I don't know how you get all those weird traces, most spaniards are just a combination of this four populations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY4Rs-teLjA

R1b-L51
03-28-2025, 09:23 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0277% / 0.02765981
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.2 WHG
7.2 MAR_Taforalt

I don't know how you get all those weird traces, most spaniards are just a combination of this four populations

Hablando en serio culpa de los romanos y de todos los esclavos, auxilias y alaes que trajeron a la Legio VII Gemina, Asturica Augusta, Bergidum y e incluso a las Mansios de las vías romanas que pasaban por la meseta norte.

gixajo
03-28-2025, 09:29 PM
Pero este modelo es el de Davidski de siempre. ¿No?

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7422% / 0.03742166
54.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Figaro
03-28-2025, 09:36 PM
Just for fun...

Target: TonislavFather
Distance: 4.9636% / 0.04963555
48.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.2 TUR_Barcin_N
12.8 WHG

Target: TonislavMother
Distance: 4.8580% / 0.04858001
49.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG

gixajo
03-28-2025, 09:36 PM
Gyvakarai1 es Lithuania LN, ¿Qué es NEO653?


Gyvakarai1_10bp,0.12244312,0.0867149,0.05225324,0. 06092556,0.01237556,0.0244885,0.00791422,0.0106243 6,-0.00737058,-0.02484582,0.00043062,-0.0020716,0.00778678,-0.00232034,0.0023492,-0.00268724,-0.00679982,-0.00176806,-0.00297244,-0.00478052,0.00155092,0.00128408,-0.0059949,0.00726656,-0.0019295
NEO653,0.1229468,0.1453295,0.04205084,0.00049044,0 .04903224,-0.00227656,-0.0002688,0.0011413,0.02150622,0.03439886,-0.00641346,0.0118892,-0.01951694,-0.01302932,0.00503222,-0.00384642,-0.00201012,7.172E-05,0.00039102,-0.0032947,0.00338212,0.00218784,-0.00964528,-0.0027681,-0.00056857

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.1210% / 0.02120988
98.2 NEO653
1.8 Gyvakarai1_10bp

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
03-28-2025, 09:43 PM
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.0700% / 0.04070004
52.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
5.8 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 Armenia_KapsUnknown2_EBA_KuraAraxes_dup.I22907.AG


Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 3.3583% / 0.03358336
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.2 WHG
5.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Yoruba

R1b-L51
03-28-2025, 11:04 PM
Gyvakarai1 es Lithuania LN, ¿Qué es NEO653?


Gyvakarai1_10bp,0.12244312,0.0867149,0.05225324,0. 06092556,0.01237556,0.0244885,0.00791422,0.0106243 6,-0.00737058,-0.02484582,0.00043062,-0.0020716,0.00778678,-0.00232034,0.0023492,-0.00268724,-0.00679982,-0.00176806,-0.00297244,-0.00478052,0.00155092,0.00128408,-0.0059949,0.00726656,-0.0019295
NEO653,0.1229468,0.1453295,0.04205084,0.00049044,0 .04903224,-0.00227656,-0.0002688,0.0011413,0.02150622,0.03439886,-0.00641346,0.0118892,-0.01951694,-0.01302932,0.00503222,-0.00384642,-0.00201012,7.172E-05,0.00039102,-0.0032947,0.00338212,0.00218784,-0.00964528,-0.0027681,-0.00056857

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.1210% / 0.02120988
98.2 NEO653
1.8 Gyvakarai1_10bp

NEO653 is a Bronze Age Celt from Asturian Culture - Spain - El Toral-3 (Principality of Asturias, Asturias, Llanes)

Bronze Age Asturian society was likely organized into tribal units or clans, similar to other Celtic groups. These clans were probably led by chieftains or a council of elders who wielded significant authority over their respective territories. There is evidence to suggest a hierarchical social structure, with warriors and skilled craftsmen occupying higher social strata, supported by agricultural workers and possibly bonded labor.

https://www.dnagenics.com/ancestry/sample/view/profile/id/NEO653


Pero este modelo es el de Davidski de siempre. ¿No?

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7422% / 0.03742166
54.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

It is a Davidski Calculator but by changing the Kura Arexes for a purer sample (also kura-Araxes from Armenia), since his Kura-Araxes was stealing a lot of WHG when confused with Anatolia TUR-Barcin, by putting a sample of a purer Kura-Araxes individual, it gives greater precision to the calculator (shorter distance).

Fabricius
03-29-2025, 02:06 PM
Target: Fabricius_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.4482% / 0.02448201
47.6 TUR_Barcin_N
32.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.2 WHG
6.0 Yoruba
4.4 MAR_Taforalt


Distance to: Fabricius_g25_scaled
0.16809480 TUR_Barcin_N
0.18119470 Armenia_KapsUnknown2_EBA_KuraAraxes_dup.I22907.AG: ARM001.AG__BC_3467__Cov_54.70%
0.19427249 Levant_PPNB
0.20217331 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.30308262 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.36355979 WHG
0.36869107 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.41219140 MAR_Taforalt
0.43965157 Jarawa
0.60102556 Han
0.60695953 ETH_4500BP
0.61122148 Nganassan
0.66130086 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.66494659 Dinka
0.67706272 Gambian
0.70350579 Yoruba