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Gohenk
04-01-2025, 01:07 AM
There is a theory on that by a Jew himself, he wrote the book "The Thirteenth Tribe: The Khazar Empire and its Heritage".
I've searched on it and most sources say no but admit they do have mongoloid admix.
In terms of phenotype, the Ashkenazi do look more Caucasus than Arab or Levantine as they are mostly armenoid in phenotype as noticed by anthropologist Hans Gunther.
Any help?

Figaro
04-01-2025, 01:11 AM
Lard incoming…

Gohenk
04-01-2025, 01:18 AM
Lard incoming…

You are partly Ashkenazi, right? Would love to read your take

Figaro
04-01-2025, 01:22 AM
You are partly Ashkenazi, right? Would love to read your take

I’m only 1/32 AJ (mom’s paternal side is partly German Jew) ..so I’m not exactly the genetic poster child for Ashkenazim..

Aren’t AJ’s practically plotting on top of Sephardim? There is a small “Lhazarian” contribution, but it’s more Ossette-like than Turkic-like…

Fabricius
04-01-2025, 01:44 AM
You need to improve this question if you want a reasonable answer.
The way you asked it, the answer is no.

But if you know how to ask it, the answer is probably yes.

Change the universal quantifier (∀) to the existential (∃).

We can't say that all AJ came from Khazaria (K). But we can say that there are some AJ with ancestors from Central Asia.

This conversion of those Turkic people seems real.

Can we say that all AJ have ancestors from there?

Then we need to test them one by one. I was only interested in finding out months ago about the ones from the Baltic.

You can test the ones from Germany and France, I believe they don't have K.

One thing I didn't do was see how much southern Italians have of Turkic.

The samples with such names I found here: https://admixtr.streamlit.app/

Below the old test I made (I have no more the model, but I take from the site above):

Edit: I made modern (I think) averages for Eastern Europeans to simulate the historical hypothesis.

https://i.imgur.com/dywkzFE.png

Friends of Oliver Society
04-01-2025, 01:46 AM
Ashkenazi Jews didnt originate from Khazars. They appear to be a mixed population. The nearest group to the Canaanites (who the Hebrews were a subgroup of despite their mythology) are Samaritans (an almost extinct people).

Purple Panther
04-01-2025, 03:16 AM
Lard incoming…

Lard has left the building. He's like fat Elvis, and you'll only catch glimpses of him at Burger King when the moon is full, like most alleged Presley sightings.

Gohenk
04-02-2025, 07:23 PM
Anyone else?