Baleyg’s LivingDNA results

[Highwayman]

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[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

very NW Euro and nuffin' else...no Pocahontas in the wood pile or anything like that

that's a little bit boring for an American :):thumb001:

[Rædwald]

very NW Euro and nuffin' else...no Pocahontas in the wood pile or anything like that

that's a little bit boring for an American :):thumb001:

Some of us get blessed with the spirit of the HEYOHOYAHEYOHOYAHEYOHOYA and others don't :coffee:

[Rædwald]

Nice results Baleyg, I might have to look into LivingDNA in the future for myself. I like the regional breakdowns it provides.

Have you done any other tests, and do those regions line up?

[Highwayman]

very NW Euro and nuffin' else...no Pocahontas in the wood pile or anything like that

that's a little bit boring for an American :):thumb001:


Having no native was initially a surprise, but it shouldn’t have been. Everyone without blue eyes is suspected of being part native in the country.

Past generations weren’t as tolerant of mixing. I’m considered mixed, even with my vanilla results.

And these results completely miss my Pennsylvanian Dutch (Rhineland-Palatinate). It makes me wonder just how similar that region’s DNA is to Britain… that it still completely misses out, well past a decade after I had first tested my DNA. Both 23andme and AncestryDNA came around from saying I have little to finding out that it is nearly half of my ancestry.

[R1b-L51]

Having no native was initially a surprise, but it shouldn’t have been. Everyone without blue eyes is suspected of being part native in the country.

Past generations weren’t as tolerant of mixing. I’m considered mixed, even with my vanilla results.

And these results completely miss my Pennsylvanian Dutch (Rhineland-Palatinate). It makes me wonder just how similar that region’s DNA is to Britain… that it still completely misses out, well past a decade after I had first tested my DNA. Both 23andme and AncestryDNA came around from saying I have little to finding out that it is nearly half of my ancestry.

In my opinion, you're more Celtic + WHG than Germanic per se.
I was once in Iceland and was struck by the low rate of blondes I saw; in fact, I was blonder than them.

The thing is, this is a cultural thing. For example, just as in Spain it's frowned upon not to be dark-skinned, which is why everyone tends to go to the beach and even use UV rays, in Iceland most women dyed their hair platinum. If there were any dull platinum-blonde Icelanders, I imagine they were those with a high mix of ancient I1s, but there aren't as many as you'd think from the outside.

On the next page, you can distinguish between light hair (where Nordic or Orcadians can score high) and redheads (where only Irish and some English people score high). However, the only ones who have both overlaps are Germans. And if you look closely, you don't have too much German areas, so it's normal that you're not blonde.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/genetic_maps_of_europe.shtml#hair_colour

[Purple Panther]

Having no native was initially a surprise, but it shouldn’t have been. Everyone without blue eyes is suspected of being part native in the country.

Past generations weren’t as tolerant of mixing. I’m considered mixed, even with my vanilla results.

And these results completely miss my Pennsylvanian Dutch (Rhineland-Palatinate). It makes me wonder just how similar that region’s DNA is to Britain… that it still completely misses out, well past a decade after I had first tested my DNA. Both 23andme and AncestryDNA came around from saying I have little to finding out that it is nearly half of my ancestry.

Did you post your results from the other two tests? I have a theory that they sometimes confuse Anglo-Saxon and German since many English people and Northern German people descend from the same ethnic stock (ditto for the Danish and the Dutch), so that might be why some German Americans trade their bratwurst for fish and chips.

[Tacitus]

Having no native was initially a surprise, but it shouldn’t have been. Everyone without blue eyes is suspected of being part native in the country.

Past generations weren’t as tolerant of mixing. I’m considered mixed, even with my vanilla results.

And these results completely miss my Pennsylvanian Dutch (Rhineland-Palatinate). It makes me wonder just how similar that region’s DNA is to Britain… that it still completely misses out, well past a decade after I had first tested my DNA. Both 23andme and AncestryDNA came around from saying I have little to finding out that it is nearly half of my ancestry.

I think part of the problem with LivingDNA is that it's so centered on British ancestry it ends up conflating results. I guess it just sucked your PA Dutch ancestry into the British category.

FWIW, Rhineland-Palatinate on G25 (take with usual grain of salt):

Distance to: German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
0.00818900 German_North_Rhine
0.01016452 Walloon
0.01089745 Dutch_Limburg
0.01141327 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
0.01183841 Flemish
0.01219518 French_Alsace
0.01227973 German_Bavaria_Proper
0.01229695 Swiss_German_North
0.01262289 German_North_Hesse
0.01266841 German_Baden-Württemberg
0.01274623 French_Normandy
0.01278746 German_Saarland
0.01333001 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
0.01355670 French_Northeast
0.01374736 German_South_Hesse
0.01423101 Swiss_German
0.01521801 Austrian_Lower_Austria
0.01527148 German_North_Moravia
0.01572780 French_Brittany
0.01588676 French_Hauts-de-France
0.01651612 Dutch_North-Brabant
0.01681910 German_West_Bohemia
0.01692490 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
0.01706255 English_East
0.01798788 German_Bavarian_Swabia

Distance to: German_Rhineland-Palatinate
0.00524536 Walloon
0.00539784 German_South_Hesse
0.00544077 French_Northeast
0.00594526 Swiss_German
0.00628119 French_Alsace
0.00671867 German_Saarland
0.00717626 German_Baden-Württemberg
0.00737423 French_Hauts-de-France
0.00785412 Swiss_German_North
0.00792344 German_North_Hesse
0.00973040 German_North_Rhine
0.01052066 German_Bavaria_Proper
0.01120100 Swiss_French
0.01125745 French_Central
0.01216144 Dutch_Limburg
0.01261319 French_Normandy
0.01278072 Austrian_Lower_Austria
0.01371541 Austrian_Tyrol
0.01490099 Flemish
0.01539440 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
0.01551938 German_Bavarian_Swabia
0.01567600 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
0.01672996 Austrian_Burgenland
0.01914269 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
0.01948516 German_West_Bohemia

[JerryS.]

very NW Euro and nuffin' else...no Pocahontas in the wood pile or anything like that

that's a little bit boring for an American :):thumb001:

The vast majority of white Americans do not have any Indian ancestry. It's often a made up thing to give an exotic feeling, much like people in the UK with the gypsy claim. DNA bears it all out though.

[VC]

very NW Euro and nuffin' else...no Pocahontas in the wood pile or anything like that

that's a little bit boring for an American :):thumb001:

This is actually incredibly common in much of the country. My husband's family is almost identical including the random Norwegian. Down south you find people who are mostly British Isles with maybe some German as the most exotic thing about them. It's everywhere else in the US where the average person is mystery meat. And almost no one is actually part Cherokee princess, lol.

[VC]

Did you post your results from the other two tests? I have a theory that they sometimes confuse Anglo-Saxon and German since many English people and Northern German people descend from the same ethnic stock (ditto for the Danish and the Dutch), so that might be why some German Americans trade their bratwurst for fish and chips.

I'm almost certain this is what happens too. I used to make fun of certain people for claiming to be ethnically German when the DNA test didn't match up. Until I was shown the family records literally tracing them to there in significant amounts.

[Highwayman]

In my opinion, you're more Celtic + WHG than Germanic per se.
I was once in Iceland and was struck by the low rate of blondes I saw; in fact, I was blonder than them.

The thing is, this is a cultural thing. For example, just as in Spain it's frowned upon not to be dark-skinned, which is why everyone tends to go to the beach and even use UV rays, in Iceland most women dyed their hair platinum. If there were any dull platinum-blonde Icelanders, I imagine they were those with a high mix of ancient I1s, but there aren't as many as you'd think from the outside.

On the next page, you can distinguish between light hair (where Nordic or Orcadians can score high) and redheads (where only Irish and some English people score high). However, the only ones who have both overlaps are Germans. And if you look closely, you don't have too much German areas, so it's normal that you're not blonde.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/genetic_maps_of_europe.shtml#hair_colour

I may have a great deal of Celtic phenotype. However, my family is just as blonde as it is brunette, and red hair is very uncommon in my family.

Anglo Saxons mixed with and absorbed the local population of Britain early on. Should be similar with the Germanic tribes in Rhineland.




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Anglo Saxon + Frank (2.796)
Visigoth + Anglo Saxon (2.947)
Viking Norwegian + Frank (3.02)
Visigoth + Celt (3.171)
Viking Norwegian + Visigoth (3.254)
Viking Norwegian (6.75)
Celt (6.977)
Frank (6.979)
Anglo Saxon (7.393)
Visigoth (7.524)

[Highwayman]

I'm almost certain this is what happens too. I used to make fun of certain people for claiming to be ethnically German when the DNA test didn't match up. Until I was shown the family records literally tracing them to there in significant amounts.



That was my frustration for the longest while. And not only that, but my Great grandfather still knew how to speak German many generations after immigration and did folksy things such as dowsing.

[Purple Panther]

I'm almost certain this is what happens too. I used to make fun of certain people for claiming to be ethnically German when the DNA test didn't match up. Until I was shown the family records literally tracing them to there in significant amounts.

This is why it pays to have both methods. It's like having cash and credit cards at the same time as backup systems. I wonder how that kind of phenomenon impacts people with roots in the Scottish Highlands. Will they be labeled as Native Irish because they share Gaelic genes (someone likely will se me straight on this)?

[Highwayman]

Nice results Baleyg, I might have to look into LivingDNA in the future for myself. I like the regional breakdowns it provides.

Have you done any other tests, and do those regions line up?

The regional breakdown for Great Britain is great! My livingDNA results are just my 23andme V5 chip uploaded to them. And I have AncestryDNA results as well.

I’m Mr. North Sea facade, AKA Oneeye.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?391038-Baleyg-23andme-V5
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?390605-Baleyg-AncestryDNA-results-after-update


The breakdown I have for British on here is pretty good, but not entirely matching other results. My mostly mid-Atlantic colonial ancestors on paper have stronger ties to southern England, for example, Somerset. In Oxfordshire area I have very strong archeological matches, more than any other area in Europe going by all time periods.

However, LivingDNA misses my Yorkshire ancestry, and the Irish might include Scottish.


It completely skips my German Ancestry, however 23andme gives me <20% British + Irish. I know that is far too low of amount.

[Highwayman]

This is actually incredibly common in much of the country. My husband's family is almost identical including the random Norwegian. Down south you find people who are mostly British Isles with maybe some German as the most exotic thing about them. It's everywhere else in the US where the average person is mystery meat. And almost no one is actually part Cherokee princess, lol.

my family homesteaded in the upper midwest until the dustbowl, thats how the Norwegian squeezed in. Essentially a story of carving out land from east coast to western plains.

[Highwayman]

This is why it pays to have both methods. It's like having cash and credit cards at the same time as backup systems. I wonder how that kind of phenomenon impacts people with roots in the Scottish Highlands. Will they be labeled as Native Irish because they share Gaelic genes (someone likely will se me straight on this)?



It may, but this test is clearly best for those entirely of British background.

[Peterski]

Nice resuls! Now I recommend you my test for an alternative breakdown of NW Euro ancestry:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?393712-ExploreYourDNA-Ancestry-Reports

You get two reports for the price of one - Standard Mode and Recent Mode. Both for 12 Euros.

[Purple Panther]

It may, but this test is clearly best for those entirely of British background.

I have links to all five countries in the British Isles and likely all or most regions of *them*. It's probably down to a roll of the genetic dice to see what comes through in my case.

[Highwayman]

*Bump*


south central England does seem to be my largest English component after deeply digging into my my family tree.

[J. Ketch]

*Bump*


south central England does seem to be my largest English component after deeply digging into my my family tree.
A grandson of old Wessex then, this seems to be the most common ancestral area for Anglo-Americans.

[Highwayman]

A grandson of old Wessex then, this seems to be the most common ancestral area for Anglo-Americans.

Virginians most of all contribute to this.

Seven out of eight of my great grandparents have ancestry going back to the 17th century in the English colonies. Five of them include Virginians.

The deep south had a lot of colonial Virginian settlers, as did the upland south and even the midwest, the latter two are the bulk of my 19th century ancestry.