Do I have ancestral Spanish Basque ancestry?

[Cernunnos]

Good morning, I'm as far as I know Portuguese in all my family sides. But I keep watching a pattern among my Vahaduo G25 and Gedmatch calculators, it is my quite high basque results for my location within Iberia. They are abnormal for a Portuguese. I have higher Basque than most average western regional spaniards.

Do you think it's just nothing or could I have something in the process?

I have higher Loshbour than average which is quite common for Basques.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1359834231307763872/image.png?ex=67f8ebd1&is=67f79a51&hm=45651372501068a50cbc22f252adeed30983b2425f91556 3186ce4c2040bb748&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=847

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1359834893789433998/image.png?ex=67f8ec6f&is=67f79aef&hm=c5ba5eeedfd55f0371baf129c05c15be97fe9f304b241bb 3940b866baaaa5a7c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Im closer to the Basque samples than the average Portuguese.







Target: Cernunnos_scaled (69 iterations, 2,415 models generated in 2 ms)
1 0.027 90% Basque_Roncal + 10% Levant_Natufian
2 0.028 88% Basque_Biscay + 12% Levant_Natufian
3 0.029 97% Basque_Navarre_Center + 3% ETH_Mota
4 0.029 90% Basque_Spanish + 10% Levant_Natufian
5 0.029 89% Basque_French + 11% Levant_Natufian
6 0.029 88% Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest + 12% Levant_Natufian
7 0.033 97% Basque_Lower_Navarre + 3% ETH_Mota
8 0.034 90% Basque_Navarre_North + 10% Levant_Natufian
9 0.035 68% England_N + 32% Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10 0.044 58% POL_Unetice_EBA + 42% TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
11 0.046 54% Corded_Ware_Baltic + 46% DEU_LBK_KD
12 0.048 54% TUR_Pinarbasi_HG + 46% DEU_Karsdorf_LN
13 0.050 65% TUR_Barcin_N + 35% RUS_Volga-Kama_N
14 0.053 86% Basque_Araba + 14% Levant_Natufian
15 0.054 51% DEU_LBK_KD + 49% DEU_Karsdorf_LN
16 0.054 88% Basque_Gipuzkoa + 12% Levant_Natufian
17 0.055 87% Basque_Baztan + 13% Levant_Natufian
18 0.056 88% Basque_Soule + 12% Levant_Natufian
19 0.070 78% CZE_Early_Slav + 22% Levant_Natufian
20 0.090 66% Baltic_EST_MA + 34% Levant_Natufian
21 0.095 66% Baltic_EST_IA + 34% Levant_Natufian
22 0.095 64% DEU_Karsdorf_LN + 36% Levant_Natufian
23 0.108 60% Baltic_EST_BA + 40% Levant_Natufian
24 0.126 55% Yamnaya_RUS_Samara + 45% Levant_Natufian
25 0.128 60% RUS_Mezhovskaya + 40% Levant_Natufian
26 0.130 54% Levant_Natufian + 46% NOR_N_HG
27 0.133 63% RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En + 37% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
28 0.166 53% TKM_Geoksyur_N + 47% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
29 0.178 53% GEO_CHG + 47% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
30 0.178 77% RUS_Tagar + 23% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
31 0.203 65% RUS_Progress_En + 35% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
32 0.205 78% RUS_Chalmny-Varre + 22% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
33 0.206 58% RUS_Nomad_MA + 42% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
34 0.209 61% Sargat_IA + 39% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
35 0.211 52% KAZ_Kipchak + 48% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
36 0.214 71% FIN_Levanluhta_IA + 29% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG
37 0.215 54% SRB_Iron_Gates_HG + 46% IND_Roopkund_A
38 0.221 73% CHN_Dzungaria_EBA1 + 27% LUX_Loschbour
39 0.222 56% RUS_Yana_UP + 44% SWE_Motala_HG
40 0.223 58% SWE_Motala_HG + 42% IND_Roopkund_A
41 0.224 55% Baltic_LVA_HG + 45% IND_Roopkund_A
42 0.228 62% NOR_N_HG + 38% IND_Roopkund_A
43 0.235 61% VK2020_NOR_North_LN_HG + 39% IND_Roopkund_A
44 0.237 56% IND_Roopkund_A + 44% LUX_Loschbour
45 0.239 77% RUS_Khvalynsk_En + 23% LUX_Loschbour
46 0.245 68% RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o + 32% LUX_Loschbour
47 0.246 69% VK2020_NOR_North_VA_o1 + 31% LUX_Loschbour
48 0.259 87% RUS_Volga-Kama_N + 13% ETH_Mota
49 0.260 57% RUS_Kusnarenkovo_Karajakupovo_MED + 43% LUX_Loschbour
50 0.267 61% RUS_MA1 + 39% LUX_Loschbour
51 0.273 86% RUS_Samara_HG + 14% ETH_Mota
52 0.282 84% RUS_Karelia_HG + 16% ETH_Mota
53 0.286 56% RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov + 44% LUX_Loschbour
54 0.288 53% KAZ_Botai + 47% LUX_Loschbour
55 0.292 54% RUS_Sosonivoy_HG + 46% LUX_Loschbour
56 0.292 58% LUX_Loschbour + 42% IND_Great_Andamanese_100BP
57 0.346 79% RUS_Tyumen_HG + 21% ETH_Mota
58 0.351 79% RUS_AfontovaGora3 + 21% ETH_Mota
59 0.374 76% CHN_Tarim_EMBA1 + 24% ETH_Mota
60 0.435 81% IND_Great_Andamanese_100BP + 19% ETH_Mota
61 0.480 63% RUS_Baikal_N + 37% ETH_Mota
62 0.498 62% CHN_Qihe_11500BP + 38% ETH_Mota
63 0.499 58% RUS_Shamanka_N + 42% ETH_Mota
64 0.510 52% BRA_Sumidouro_10100BP + 48% ETH_Mota
65 0.511 54% RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN + 46% ETH_Mota
66 0.515 55% CHN_Yellow_River_LN + 45% ETH_Mota
67 0.516 53% RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA + 47% ETH_Mota
68 0.662 100% ETH_Mota + 0% CMR_Shum_Laka
69 0.750 100% CMR_Shum_Laka + 0% ZAF_2100BP


Is it possible?

[Cernunnos]

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.97 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 8.38 Pct
Central_African 0.46 Pct
Central_Euro 4.93 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.05 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 2.91 Pct
East_Med 1.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.31 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.41 Pct
French 8.26 Pct
Iberian 26.91 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 17.18 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 2.31 Pct
North_Atlantic 7.01 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 3.61 Pct
Northeast_African 0.97 Pct
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Omotic 0.41 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 6.73 Pct


Target: Cernunnos
Distance: 1.8970% / 0.01896960
80.2 Portuguese
19.8 Basque_Spanish

Target: Cernunnos
Distance: 1.2844% / 0.01284448
33.8 Basque_Spanish
31.2 German_Northwest
16.8 Sardinian
12.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
4.0 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Bhumij
0.4 Yemenite_Mahra
0.2 Kosipe

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.81
2 West_Med 27.88
3 East_Med 12.21
4 Baltic 11.73
5 Red_Sea 3.16
6 Northeast_African 2.1
7 South_Asian 1.68
8 East_Asian 0.38
9 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 2.97
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.51
3 Spanish_Cantabria 3.56
4 Spanish_Galicia 3.68
5 Spanish_Valencia 4.14
6 Spanish_Cataluna 4.34
7 Spanish_Murcia 4.38
8 Portuguese 4.44
9 Spanish_Extremadura 4.92
10 Spanish_Aragon 5.11
11 Southwest_French 5.41
12 Spanish_Andalucia 5.54
13 French 10.59
14 North_Italian 12.13
15 French_Basque 15.99
16 South_Dutch 16.42
17 West_German 16.98
18 Tuscan 18.24
19 Southeast_English 19.98
20 Southwest_English 20.12

[Beowulf]

Sometimes Portuguese people can shift towards different parts of Spain such as being closer to Catalans than portuguese, but it doesn't necessary mean that they have Catalan Ancestry, is just a shift, for not saying that Iberia itself is quite homogenous genetically, we're all quite close to each other.

[gixajo]

Who knows? It is perfectly possible, except that without genealogical records or surnames it is difficult to confirm with certainty just using the genetic clues like those you show.

Anyway the native Iberian base is a Basque-like component, so maybe it´s just this.

For the record, my Andalusian father has almost as much Basque component in the K36 as my Basque mother, so I don't know if we should give much credibility to the K36 in this sense. (10% or something similar).

[Cernunnos]

Who knows? It is perfectly possible, except that without genealogical records or surnames it is difficult to confirm with certainty just using the genetic clues like those you show.

Anyway the native Iberian base is a Basque-like component, so maybe it´s just this.

For the record, my Andalusian father has almost as much Basque component in the K36 as my Basque mother, so I don't know if we should give much credibility to the K36 in this sense. (10% or something similar).

From what I know from Spanish history, it's perfectly normal to be from Andalusia and have high Basque. Because when reconquista was terminated many catalans, basques and north castillians settled there.

Most Spaniards will have high Basque because Basques moved and migrated in much great numbers to other parts of Spain than into Portugal. Since pre historic or pre neolithic times Portugal doesn't has any migration relations with the Basque country or with much anywhere from for that matter.

But I've had results where I've higher Basque than many Spanish regions which is quite odd.

[Cernunnos]

Sometimes Portuguese people can shift towards different parts of Spain such as being closer to Catalans than portuguese, but it doesn't necessary mean that they have Catalan Ancestry, is just a shift, for not saying that Iberia itself is quite homogenous genetically, we're all quite close to each other.

The thing here is that if you compare me with 50 random portuguese G25 results you will have me at least always in the top 3-5.

[Beowulf]

The thing here is that if you compare me with 50 random portuguese G25 results you will have me at least always in the top 3-5.

Sometimes happens! Outliers exist everywhere! With my first post i must say that i already assumed that you know at least from your great grandparents at least and that's why you were asking about your basque shift, however if that's not the case, and you barely know anything about all your great grandparents then there's the chance that you might have some basque ancestry :noidea:

[gixajo]

From what I know from Spanish history, it's perfectly normal to be from Andalusia and have high Basque. Because when reconquista was terminated many catalans, basques and north castillians settled there.

Most Spaniards will have high Basque because Basques moved and migrated in much great numbers to other parts of Spain than into Portugal. Since pre historic or pre neolithic times Portugal doesn't has any migration relations with the Basque country or with much anywhere from for that matter.

But I've had results where I've higher Basque than many Spanish regions which is quite odd.

What you said about that is most likely to found more Basque input in Andalusians than in the average Portuguese is true in the sense of large historical population movements,and also that your results show a general tendency, or a certain affinity towards "Basque" components, which is not very common among Portuguese.

I'm just saying that Portugal and the different Spanish kingdoms weren't watertight compartments, and that it's not so unusual for a Portuguese person to end up in Biscay, or for a person from Guipuzcoa to end up in Biscay.

[Cernunnos]

Sometimes happens! Outliers exist everywhere! With my first post i must say that i already assumed that you know at least from your great grandparents at least and that's why you were asking about your basque shift, however if that's not the case, and you barely know anything about all your great grandparents then there's the chance that you might have some basque ancestry :noidea:

I know all my great-grandparents. They are all from the same village. My recent (100-200) ancestry covers a set of villages set apart by what? 1-5kms?

[Sebastianus Rex]

. Since pre historic or pre neolithic times Portugal doesn't has any migration relations with the Basque country or with much anywhere from for that matter.
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Not directly with the Basque country but it has had extensive relations with Spain (especially the western half). Your high Basque could came indirectly from someone of another region of Spain with Basque ancestry or high Basque input.

What I think from all this, is that is pretty much assured that you have some Spanish ancestors. Many Portuguese do if we go back enough. I have relatively recent Galician ancestry (great grandfather) and probably something more of older origin through my Portuguese lineages.

[Cernunnos]

Not directly with the Basque country but it has had extensive relations with Spain (especially the western half). Your high Basque could came indirectly from someone of another region of Spain with Basque ancestry or high Basque input.

What I think from all this, is that is pretty much assured that you have some Spanish ancestors. Many Portuguese do if we go back enough. I have relatively recent Galician ancestry (great grandfather) and probably something more of older origin through my Portuguese lineages.

Galicians and other sparcely populated western Spaniards in general I think, have very few Basque compared to other Spaniards. Maybe for Vigo and Coruña it might be different but a Galician who only speaks Galego has as much or almost as much recent (last 7 centuries) basque ancestry as an average Portuguese.

[Cernunnos]

The curious thing here is that Basque components are more common towards Northern Spanish lands, specialy around La Rioja, Navarre (both ancestral Basque regions later Castallenized), Burgos and a bit of Cantabria.


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1359893346574925994/image.png?ex=67f922df&is=67f7d15f&hm=c6fec5d0a6d6e7613e52b12d1a90f4f15383aea8e005eee 292b479b1e59f0272&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=829&height=847

I'm at the same level of cantabria and above average which includes all Spanish regional samples across G25.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1359894180574531745/image.png?ex=67f923a6&is=67f7d226&hm=f327c13105952628f0fbe32f7f2514681dba75db7a15754 82ac3bb51f8241406&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Without Loschbour and with basque spanish included I have higher spanish basque (71,8%) than the average Iberian (69,6%) and much more than the average Portuguese (59,4%).

I think that perhaps there is something here that might be researched.

[Opie]

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.97 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 8.38 Pct
Central_African 0.46 Pct
Central_Euro 4.93 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.05 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 2.91 Pct
East_Med 1.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.31 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.41 Pct
French 8.26 Pct
Iberian 26.91 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 17.18 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 2.31 Pct
North_Atlantic 7.01 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 3.61 Pct
Northeast_African 0.97 Pct
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Omotic 0.41 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 6.73 Pct


Target: Cernunnos
Distance: 1.8970% / 0.01896960
80.2 Portuguese
19.8 Basque_Spanish

Target: Cernunnos
Distance: 1.2844% / 0.01284448
33.8 Basque_Spanish
31.2 German_Northwest
16.8 Sardinian
12.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
4.0 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Bhumij
0.4 Yemenite_Mahra
0.2 Kosipe

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.81
2 West_Med 27.88
3 East_Med 12.21
4 Baltic 11.73
5 Red_Sea 3.16
6 Northeast_African 2.1
7 South_Asian 1.68
8 East_Asian 0.38
9 Sub-Saharan 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 2.97
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.51
3 Spanish_Cantabria 3.56
4 Spanish_Galicia 3.68
5 Spanish_Valencia 4.14
6 Spanish_Cataluna 4.34
7 Spanish_Murcia 4.38
8 Portuguese 4.44
9 Spanish_Extremadura 4.92
10 Spanish_Aragon 5.11
11 Southwest_French 5.41
12 Spanish_Andalucia 5.54
13 French 10.59
14 North_Italian 12.13
15 French_Basque 15.99
16 South_Dutch 16.42
17 West_German 16.98
18 Tuscan 18.24
19 Southeast_English 19.98
20 Southwest_English 20.12

Apart from Basque, Al-Andalus is also there.

[Cernunnos]

Apart from Basque, Al-Andalus is also there.

It's not Al Andalus, 80-90% of north african ancestry among Iberians is more ancient in history than Al Andalus.

[Opie]

It's not Al Andalus, 80-90% of north african ancestry among Iberians is more ancient in history than Al Andalus.

Ibero-Maurisian?

[Opie]

It's not Al Andalus, 80-90% of north african ancestry among Iberians is more ancient in history than Al Andalus.

Double post

[Cernunnos]

Ibero-Maurisian?

Yes.

[vader]

probably not directly, or it would have to be exceptionally distant.

That beings said you are in-fact much more shifted towards it than, for example, me:

Distance to: Basque_Spanish
0.04695901 Cynetes_scaled



Yes.

Most of our North African came to us via Rome, not Al-Andalus. Some ancient (pre-roman) southerners probably has small amounts of Iberomaurasian but probably this was tiny compared to what the Roman expansion did.

[gixajo]

I'm just saying that Portugal and the different Spanish kingdoms weren't watertight compartments, and that it's not so unusual for a Portuguese person to end up in Biscay, or for a person from Guipuzcoa to end up in Biscay.

I meant "...or for a person from Guipuzcoa to end up in Portugal"

[gixajo]

It's not Al Andalus, 80-90% of north african ancestry among Iberians is more ancient in history than Al Andalus.

Well...I would say that 80-90 is too much.

[gixajo]

The curious thing here is that Basque components are more common towards Northern Spanish lands, specialy around La Rioja, Navarre (both ancestral Basque regions later Castallenized), Burgos and a bit of Cantabria.



I'm at the same level of cantabria and above average which includes all Spanish regional samples across G25.


Without Loschbour and with basque spanish included I have higher spanish basque (71,8%) than the average Iberian (69,6%) and much more than the average Portuguese (59,4%).

I think that perhaps there is something here that might be researched.

Can you be modelled with decent distances with just Spanish Extremadura and Galicia?

Some historical notes outside of the Basque nationalist historiography, full of myths and false or manipulated stereotypes, commonly accepted as real by many.

The only real ancestral region of Basques is Nabarre and some parts of Northern Aragón, nowadays País Vasco was not populated by Vascones. The oldest hydronyms and toponyms in the region of the present-day Spanish Basque Country are of Celtic origin, and the tribes the Romans encountered in the present-day Basque Country were identified as Celtiberians. The Basque expansion most likely occurred in the final stages of Roman rule and did not actually represent a significant genetic change, but rather a cultural one, specifically the reintroduction of a language related to ancient Iberian, which had survived in southern Aquitaine and the Pyrenees.

La Rioja was repopulated by Basques from Castile (first repopulations at the end of the 12th century, last repopulations were even in the modern age, 17th century in the mountains) and Navarrese (including Basque-speaking Navarrese until the beginning of the 12th century)

[Peterski]

You are closer to Spaniards than to average Portuguese. But it is not necessarily Basque ancestry. Maybe even Catalan.

[gixajo]

You are closer to Spaniards than to average Portuguese. But it is not necessarily Basque ancestry. Maybe even Catalan.

The Pyrenean Catalans also have a certain Basque shift, just like the northern Aragonese.

I doubt there's a single genetic profile of "Catalanness." They resemble neighboring non-Catalan populations at the same latitude. I don't have any Catalan ancestors, yet my mixture makes me look Aragonese or Catalan.

But yes, he can have some Catalan and not Basque, or even Southern French, Western o Eastern.

[gixajo]

,,,,.

I did this thinking of you: :eyes

K3 model for Iberians (Scaled G25) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?394106-K3-model-for-Iberians-(Scaled-G25)&p=8205399#post8205399)

[Cernunnos]

I did this thinking of you: :eyes

K3 model for Iberians (Scaled G25) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?394106-K3-model-for-Iberians-(Scaled-G25)&p=8205399#post8205399)

Thank you!

[Solitude]

Yes.

Tente procurar por matches ibericos com basques surnames , se aparecer bastantes matches com esses sobrenomes ou sobrenomes bascos na arvore de alguns ibericos existe a possibilidade de existir um ancestral do basco , seria uma forma também de verificar se há dna sendo compartilhado com eles que não seja de forma indireta ou seja um ancestral seu que tivesse passado um segmento para eles.

[Flashball]

Too mutch taforalt.

[Cernunnos]

Tente procurar por matches ibericos com basques surnames , se aparecer bastantes matches com esses sobrenomes ou sobrenomes bascos na arvore de alguns ibericos existe a possibilidade de existir um ancestral do basco , seria uma forma também de verificar se há dna sendo compartilhado com eles que não seja de forma indireta ou seja um ancestral seu que tivesse passado um segmento para eles.

É já vi isso e não vi muitos apelidos Bascos nos meus matches Espanhóis.

[gixajo]

Too mutch taforalt.

He is not saying he's "pure Basque", he is just saying he could have some Basque ancestry. Having high Iberomaurissian doesn't mean he doesn't have Basque ancestry.

A half Basque, half Canarian would have an even higher Iberomaurissian, and yet half of his ancestry would be Basque.

In this case, he has no knowledge of any Basque ancestors, or northern or northeastern Spanish ancestors or even southern French ancestors, so he would be an ancestor from several generations back.

And he still shows a clear tendency so he may be right.

In any case, it's complicated, since genetically a Portuguese and a Basque, despite being almost at the extremes of the "Iberian genetic gradient" are in one way or another related.

[gixajo]

É já vi isso e não vi muitos apelidos Bascos nos meus matches Espanhóis.

Could you show how your coordinates plot in the Europe 1 PCA? (https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1)

[Cernunnos]

Could you show how your coordinates plot in the Europe 1 PCA? (https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1)

23andme kit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1360245392016539843/image.png?ex=67fa6abd&is=67f9193d&hm=6a67e8e33b14557fdddcb884925f82ba701e24650c1cdbe 55bd39fe964a44a87&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1575&height=743

My heritage kit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1360245660074639471/image.png?ex=67fa6afd&is=67f9197d&hm=fa871489ecf0f90cb6fbefd2c909e4f7d2e8f2d9c23b28d e7d21624168c754ff&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1575&height=743

[gixajo]

23andme kit

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If you add the Portuguese average to that PCA and join it to your coordinates plot with a straight line, I think the extension of that line goes towards the right side of the Basque group, towards the South of France and French Basques.:p

It's not a very scientific method, but it might point to something more Eastern-Basque/Navarrese/northern Aragonese than Western-Basque/northern Castilian/Cantabrian.

[Cernunnos]

If you add the Portuguese average to that PCA and join it to your coordinates plot with a straight line, I think the extension of that line goes towards the right side of the Basque group, towards the South of France and French Basques.:p

It's not a very scientific method, but it might point to something more Eastern-Basque/Navarrese/northern Aragonese than Western-Basque/northern Castilian/Cantabrian.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785180563715784726/1360259349015953668/image.png?ex=67fa77bd&is=67f9263d&hm=c87a406fc00fc7197be6d00eb38d2ea20514a98cb7cb4ed f51a0509e0b1aa8f9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1485&height=743

[gixajo]

[I....MG]

Entering Basque Spanish reference causes the present plots to be reordered and the PCA changes its original form.

[Ibericus]

What are your G25 coords ?

Also, I just think it's just part of the portuguese variety, it's not the first portguese that I see with this "shift", there was another portuguese user I think "Vasconcelos" with similar profile.