How would you split up Russia genetically.

[AndreiDNA]

I personally think there's 4 'types' of Russians genetically.
1st type is northwest Russian. Pskov for example.
This type is very similar to Balts but also has a strong (30-50%) Slavic substrate.
2nd type is northern Russian. Pinega for example.
This type is mostly finnic but has significant Slavic and Baltic admixture as well (20-50%)
3rd type is central Russian. Yaroslavl and Tver for example.
This type is mostly Slavic but has minor uralic, turkic and Baltic admixture (10-20%)
4th type is southern Russian. It is almost entirely Slavic with trace ancestry from other adjacent groups.

Here is how I would classify different Russian regions.
North and East of Arkhangelsk oblast: definitely northern
South and West or Arkhangelsk oblast: between northern and northwestern
Novgorod oblast: between central and northern
South of vologda oblast: between central and northern, closer to central
North of vologda oblast: between central and northern, closer to northern
Northeast Kostroma oblast: between central and northern, closer to central
South and West of Kostroma oblast: definitely central
Yaroslavl, Tver, Ivanovo, Vladimir, Ryazan, Moscow, Penza oblast: Definitely central
Smolensk oblast: between central and northwestern
Kaluga, oryol, tula, lipetsk, tambov oblast: between central and southern
Kursk, belgorod, voronezh, rostov, krasnodar, stavropol, Volgograd oblasts: definitively southern

[Vessna]

I’d say Kostroma and Vologda are more northern:

DISTANCE POPULATION
Russian (Kostroma)
1.022 Russian (Vologda)
1.328 Mordvin
1.358 Mordvin (Moksha)
1.405 Mordvin (Erzya)
1.624 Ingrian
1.685 Russian (Krasnoborsky)
1.896 Karelian
1.973 Finnish
2.114 Finnish (Southeast)


DISTANCE POPULATION
Russian (Vologda)
1.022 Russian (Kostroma)
1.079 Mordvin (Erzya)
1.098 Mordvin
1.195 Russian (Krasnoborsky)
1.600 Mordvin (Moksha)
1.741 Karelian
1.793 Vepsian
2.214 Finnish (East)
2.224 Ingrian

[Vessna]

Pskov is more similar to Belarusian due to high Slavic, not Balts imo. South Aukstaitija is Belarusian-like genetically.

DISTANCE POPULATION
Russian (Pskov)
1.196 Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija)
1.314 Belarusian
1.320 Russian (Kaluga)
1.463 Lithuanian (West Aukstaitija)
1.574 Russian (Smolensk)
1.645 Estonian
1.671 Lithuanian (East Aukstaitija)
1.752 Russian (Voronezh)
1.849 Russian (Oryol)

Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija)
0.707 Lithuanian (West Aukstaitija)
0.951 Belarusian
1.196 Russian (Pskov)
1.196 Lithuanian (East Aukstaitija)
1.413 Russian (Smolensk)
1.418 Lithuanian (West Zemaitija)
1.428 Lithuanian (South Zemaitija)
1.505 Lithuanian (North Zemaitija)
1.616 Russian (Kaluga)

Belarusian
1.Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija) 2.168
2. Russian (Pskov) 2.269
3. Russian (Kaluga) 2.374
4. Lithuanian (West Aukstaitija) 2.432
5. Russian (Oryol) 2.452
6. Russian (Smolensk) 2.487
7. Russian (Kursk) 2.501
8. Russian (Belgorod) 2.549

[Vessna]

Kaluga is genetically NW:

DISTANCE POPULATION
Russian (Kaluga)
1.292 Belarusian
1.320 Russian (Pskov)
1.357 Russian (Kursk)
1.367 Russian (Oryol)
1.387 Russian (Voronezh)
1.461 Russian (Smolensk)
1.592 Ukrainian (Rivne)
1.616 Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija)
1.636 Ukrainian (Sumy)

I’d probably put Smolensk in the NW category.

[Leto]

The most common type would be a mix of two or more regions. Siberia and the Far East are not even present in the list and that's like a quarter of the population in Russia.

I don't even know you nor your level of expertise, and you don't really seem to be very friendly to me. But how much East Eurasian / Mongoloid would you say the average Russian is? My estimate would be around 5 pct or so and trust me back in the glorious GEDmatch days I saw literally thousands of results, so I'm not judging by just a handful of dubious academic samples and my own results.

[cass]

Surely, there are different ways to look at it. Here is some interesting mitochondrial DNA proximity data from the Arkhangelsk region.

https://i.ibb.co/pv0yzbyn/Zrzut-ekranu-19-4-2025-174248-bulletin-antropos-msu-ru.jpg (https://ibb.co/SXsrn5rJ)

[vandor]

Kaluga is genetically NW:

DISTANCE POPULATION
Russian (Kaluga)
1.292 Belarusian
1.320 Russian (Pskov)
1.357 Russian (Kursk)
1.367 Russian (Oryol)
1.387 Russian (Voronezh)
1.461 Russian (Smolensk)
1.592 Ukrainian (Rivne)
1.616 Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija)
1.636 Ukrainian (Sumy)

I’d probably put Smolensk in the NW category.

Lived 1,5 years in Kaluga, it has lots of Nordic people.

[cass]

Here is Oleg Balanovsky's method of analyzing ancestral components

— the North European and
https://i.ibb.co/mr1Xh9q3/Zrzut-ekranu-19-4-2025-17514-xn-c1acc6aafa1c-xn-p1ai.jpg (https://ibb.co/JW0yrv79)



South European components.
https://i.ibb.co/twbDMRbn/Zrzut-ekranu-19-4-2025-175121-xn-c1acc6aafa1c-xn-p1ai.jpg (https://ibb.co/BHgBVkgv)



The remaining data is available in the link.
https://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=6491

[vandor]

The most common type would be a mix of two or more regions. Siberia and the Far East are not even present in the list and that's like a quarter of the population in Russia.

I don't even know you nor your level of expertise, and you don't really seem to be very friendly to me. But how much East Eurasian / Mongoloid would you say the average Russian is? My estimate would be around 5 pct or so and trust me back in the glorious GEDmatch days I saw literally thousands of results, so I'm not judging by just a handful of dubious academic samples and my own results.

More than 80% of Russian populace lives in Central and Southern Russia.

[Opie]

What about far east Russians such as who are from Vladivostok?

[Opie]

The most common type would be a mix of two or more regions. Siberia and the Far East are not even present in the list and that's like a quarter of the population in Russia.

I don't even know you nor your level of expertise, and you don't really seem to be very friendly to me. But how much East Eurasian / Mongoloid would you say the average Russian is? My estimate would be around 5 pct or so and trust me back in the glorious GEDmatch days I saw literally thousands of results, so I'm not judging by just a handful of dubious academic samples and my own results.

Russians are the most Uralic and East Eurasian shifted East Slavs and their Uralic admixture is around 10% along with 3% East Eurasian admixture on average IIRC. I might find the source and post it later.

[vandor]

Russians are the most Uralic and East Eurasian shifted East Slavs and their Uralic admixture is around 10% along with 3% East Eurasian admixture on average IIRC. I might find the source and post it later.

It surely varies heavily between different groups of Russians in different regions.

[vandor]

What about far east Russians such as who are from Vladivostok?

There are lots of Ukrainian origin people down there and Ukrainian surnames almost dominate between Russians down there, they were settled here intensely in 19 century.

[Opie]

My estimate would be around 5 pct or so

You were not far away. 4.37% according to this QAPDM.

139074

[Salty Ears]

what is the point of the results for Russians from Siberia and the Far East if this is the territory of colonization, not ethnogenesis? The results for the old-timers may be interesting, but they have disappeared into the waves of migration.

[Leto]

More than 80% of Russian populace lives in Central and Southern Russia.
False. It's over 25% of the entire population. A lot of cities with a population of over 1 million are located east of the Ural mountains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_districts_of_Russia

[Leto]

what is the point of the results for Russians from Siberia and the Far East if this is the territory of colonization, not ethnogenesis? The results for the old-timers may be interesting, but they have disappeared into the waves of migration.
Because it's a huge part of the country and a big chunk of the population that cannot be disregarded. Americans, Australians, Latin Americans etc. are also recent settlers and colonists, yet they are studied.

[Not a Cop]

wrong thread

[Opie]

False. It's over 25% of the entire population. A lot of cities with a population of over 1 million are located east of the Ural mountains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_districts_of_Russia

Does East Eurasian admixture in Russians come from Tatars?

[Lucas]

what is the point of the results for Russians from Siberia and the Far East if this is the territory of colonization, not ethnogenesis? The results for the old-timers may be interesting, but they have disappeared into the waves of migration.

What is forgotten whole area which in OP called southern Russia was said to be colonized by Russians since XVI century only, there were various Tatars khanates there before. So from which source those southern Russians emerged if not from north, as according to Andrei they don't have any Baltic or Finnic ancestry nor Turkic. Something is strange here.
Even Bunak when examined antrooplogically Russians he stopped survey on more or less southern Russia, as he thought they are too recent to be included?

[Salty Ears]

Because it's a huge part of the country and a big chunk of the population that cannot be disregarded. Americans, Australians, Latin Americans etc. are also recent settlers and colonists, yet they are studied.


It would probably be interesting to get some results on the population of Siberia. But what is the principle of collecting? There is a small old-time population such as the Trans-Baikal Cossacks or Yakutyane, there are small subgroups of Russians who are mestizos, and there is a majority of the rest, but it is obvious that in the areas of Tyumen, Tomsk or Khabarovsk there will be many people of Ukrainian origin, in the Novosibirsk region of Komi origin, in Omsk (I'm not sure) and in Barnaul of German origim. Even in my region, which is in the European part, there are many villages that were founded by Belarusians, Latvians, Estonians (northern and central Russians are self-evident). Just what conclusions you want draw?