Genetics of the Middle east (A qpadm analysis)

[AndreiDNA]

https://youtu.be/5gxr79HfpYQ

[Gannicus]

It seems like some people in the comments section are confused about the terms “Eurasian” and “West Eurasian”. I don’t think regular people understand those terms too well. I think one person was confusing the term Eurasian with people that have a mixed European and East Asian ancestral background.

[Figaro]

It seems like some people in the comments section are confused about the terms “Eurasian” and “West Eurasian”. I don’t think regular people understand those terms too well. I think one person was confusing the term Eurasian with people that have a mixed European and East Asian ancestral background.

All to be expected..

[Gannicus]

All to be expected..

The original comment that I was replying to: "Can you make a video where you add more Europeans like Norwegians, Belgians, English and Germans, and show how much they cluster with MENA people"

I replied: "That would make a nice video. I can see it now: The Genetics of West Eurasians."

Then some user replied to me: "we are Europeans, not eurasians. We have no connection to asia."

Then I corrected him :"That is not correct. Europeans, Middle Easterners, South Asians, and East Asians are all considered part of the broader Eurasian population. This is based on the geography of the Eurasian landmass and shared ancient ancestry.
Eurasians are generally categorized into West Eurasians (like Europeans and Middle Easterners) and East Eurasians (like East Asians and Siberians), depending on genetic clustering and population history.

So in summary: West Eurasians are Europeans and middle easterners and East Eurasians are East Asians and Southeast Asians like Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese etc."

[Gannicus]

This is another comment that is borderline. Sure ANFs aren't an existing standalone group, however, their DNA persists. I've seen comments like this that try to separate MENA from Europeans. I guess my perspective allows for a dual concept. Europeans are a unique group that exist within the greater West Eurasian population. Which isn't a just a geographic label. And takes like this commenter below give me the impression that people like him believe that Europeans are as genetically distant as a European is from East Asians, which is not the case.




YouTube Commenter: "Neolithic farmers don't exist anymore, and they didn't cluster in the Middle East but somewhere between where the Sardinians are located and SE Europe. Modern Middle Easterners are not the same, and have admixture from Natufian HGs and Iranian farmers."

My response: "You're right that Neolithic Anatolian farmers don’t exist anymore as a standalone population, but their DNA absolutely persists today in both Europeans and Middle Easterners. In fact, modern Europeans derive a large part of their ancestry from Anatolia N, especially through Neolithic migrations into Europe. Sardinians preserve this well, but the source was Anatolia. With qpAdm I can be modeled as ~41% Anatolia neolithic, ~44% Steppe, and ~14%% WHG. Other models using EHGs, CHGs, I also carry some Iran neolithic admixture (~11%). Additionally other qpAdm modeling as well as other admixture calcualtions show ~5-10% Near East (higher when Phoenicians are used) that could be from bronze age - Roman period near eastern migrations/interactions into the west Mediterranean that made its way up to northwestern Europe.

Similarly, modern Middle Easterners also carry Anatolian farmer ancestry, along with varying amounts of Iran_N, Natufian, and later Steppe or African components depending on the region. So while the original farmers are gone as a discrete group, their genetic legacy is very much alive in West Eurasian populations."


One thing I should have added was that Europeans picked up some Natufian or Natufian related admixture from the ANFs in case that commenter didn't know that.

[Lurgori]

Natufian related admix in anatolian farmer was small(10-20%), natufians themselves were more than 90% derived from Dzudzuana related hunter gatherers, the other <10% being takarkori related.

[Gannicus]

Natufian related admix in anatolian farmer was small(10-20%), natufians themselves were more than 90% derived from Dzudzuana related hunter gatherers, the other <10% being takarkori related.

You're preaching to the choir. That 10-20% is detectable/measurable.

I had Andrei model me with a Natufian rich ANF population:


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This Catalhoyuk ANF can be modeled as 85% Turkey_N, 5% Natufian, and the rest I think was Iran N. Turkey_N is turn is ~15% Natufian. So that makes Catlahoyuk around 20%. I usually score ~41% ANF that's 10-15% Natufian. So just from the neolithic, I inherited between 4%-8%. Or that is also reflecting later Near East admixture events like the Greco-Roman period. To put that into perspective, that’s roughly the amount of DNA you’d inherit from a 3rd to 4th great-grandparent if they were 100% Natufian. Of course, this ancestry isn’t recent, it comes through ancient populations like Anatolian and Levantine Neolithic farmers, but the analogy helps illustrate that the contribution is meaningful, not just a trace. I have seen photos of one of my 4th great grandfathers and been to his grave as well!


Edit: Just to clarify, from what I can gather both Natufians and Anatolian Neolithic Farmers carry significant amounts of Dzudzuana-related ancestry. In fact, Dzudzuana ancestry is a core West Eurasian component that runs through virtually all early West Eurasian farmers, including Anatolia_N, Levant_N (descended from Natufians), and even CHG and Iran_N.