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Flashball
05-17-2025, 05:57 PM
Don't just give me the country, but the exact area.
I'll then give you the genealogy.


K13
Population
North_Atlantic 44.53 Pct
Baltic 16.64 Pct
West_Med 22.89 Pct
West_Asian 6.37 Pct
East_Med 6.61 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.74 Pct
Northeast_African 0.66 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.12 Pct

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.79
2 South_Dutch 8.46
3 Spanish_Cataluna 8.48
4 Southwest_French 9.31
5 West_German 9.31
6 Spanish_Cantabria 9.58
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.02
8 Spanish_Galicia 10.45
9 Portuguese 10.85
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.96
11 Spanish_Valencia 11.27
12 Southwest_English 11.37
13 Southeast_English 11.52
14 Spanish_Murcia 11.59
15 Spanish_Aragon 11.87
16 Spanish_Extremadura 12
17 Spanish_Andalucia 12.67
18 Orcadian 13.6
19 Irish 14.16
20 West_Scottish 14.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.1% West_German + 33.9% French_Basque @ 2.64
2 73% Irish + 27% Sardinian @ 2.66
3 72.9% West_Scottish + 27.1% Sardinian @ 2.85
4 77.4% Southwest_English + 22.6% Sardinian @ 2.91
5 52.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 47.1% Irish @ 3.14
6 52.9% Southwest_English + 47.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.28
7 51.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 48.1% Orcadian @ 3.39
8 74.1% Orcadian + 25.9% Sardinian @ 3.44
9 60.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 39.4% Irish @ 3.48
10 58.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 41.6% Norwegian @ 3.5
11 53.3% Austrian + 46.7% French_Basque @ 3.52
12 69.2% South_Dutch + 30.8% French_Basque @ 3.52
13 62.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.5% North_German @ 3.52
14 53.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 46.8% West_Scottish @ 3.53
15 62.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.8% North_Dutch @ 3.54
16 62.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.2% Danish @ 3.59
17 54.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.4% North_Dutch @ 3.59
18 57% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 43% Irish @ 3.6
19 64.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 35.9% Irish @ 3.64
20 59.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 40.3% Orcadian @ 3.67


K15


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 30.78
2 Atlantic 26.3
3 West_Med 18.15
4 Baltic 6.71
5 Eastern_Euro 6.44
6 West_Asian 4.96
7 East_Med 4.62
8 Northeast_African 0.83
9 Oceanian 0.62
10 Southeast_Asian 0.42
11 South_Asian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.88
2 South_Dutch 7.55
3 Southwest_English 8.74
4 West_German 8.89
5 Spanish_Galicia 9.85
6 Spanish_Cataluna 10.08
7 Southeast_English 10.7
8 Portuguese 10.84
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.71
10 Spanish_Cantabria 12.5
11 Spanish_Extremadura 12.62
12 Spanish_Murcia 12.78
13 Irish 12.96
14 North_German 13.1
15 Orcadian 13.28
16 West_Scottish 13.36
17 North_Dutch 13.38
18 Danish 13.66
19 Southwest_French 14.05
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74% Orcadian + 26% Sardinian @ 2.42
2 81.9% Southwest_English + 18.1% Sardinian @ 2.96
3 78.7% Southeast_English + 21.3% Sardinian @ 3.61
4 74.4% West_Scottish + 25.6% Sardinian @ 3.8
5 53.6% Southwest_English + 46.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.97
6 56.5% Southwest_English + 43.5% Portuguese @ 4.04
7 74.4% North_Dutch + 25.6% Sardinian @ 4.06
8 59.9% West_German + 40.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.07
9 58.6% Spanish_Galicia + 41.4% Orcadian @ 4.22
10 75.2% Irish + 24.8% Sardinian @ 4.24
11 55.8% Portuguese + 44.2% Orcadian @ 4.32
12 74.1% Danish + 25.9% Sardinian @ 4.39
13 73.4% West_German + 26.6% French_Basque @ 4.41
14 57.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 42.2% West_Norwegian @ 4.47
15 61.9% Portuguese + 38.1% West_Norwegian @ 4.55
16 63.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 36.1% West_Norwegian @ 4.55
17 54.7% Southwest_English + 45.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.57
18 52.6% Spanish_Galicia + 47.4% Southeast_English @ 4.57
19 81.7% French + 18.3% Southwest_English @ 4.58
20 67.5% Southwest_English + 32.5% North_Italian @ 4.63


K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 6.14 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 10.87 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.77 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.2 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 4.6 Pct
French 4.99 Pct
Iberian 18.86 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.07 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.78 Pct
North_Atlantic 13.62 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.32 Pct
North_Sea 14.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 6.62 Pct

Target: Guess
Distance: 4.1673% / 0.04167336
47.8 TUR_Barcin_N
38.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG

Figaro
05-17-2025, 05:58 PM
Picardy, France

drb234
05-17-2025, 06:10 PM
Somewhere in Central France

Flashball
05-17-2025, 07:16 PM
Picardy, France

No

Flashball
05-17-2025, 07:17 PM
Double

Flashball
05-17-2025, 07:24 PM
Somewhere in Central France

No

Flashball
05-17-2025, 07:43 PM
Bump

Beowulf
05-17-2025, 07:51 PM
Wild guess, Burgundy?

Flashball
05-17-2025, 08:07 PM
Wild guess, Burgundy?

No.

Beowulf
05-17-2025, 08:08 PM
A northern shifted Occitan?

Figaro
05-17-2025, 08:22 PM
Normandy?

Flashball
05-17-2025, 08:33 PM
A northern shifted Occitan?

No at all.

Flashball
05-17-2025, 08:35 PM
Normandy?

No. I would also like to point out in advance that the sample does not have mixed origins according to its genealogy, it comes from an area, genealogically speaking

Flashball
05-17-2025, 08:51 PM
It's a Breton from the Finistère
Gedmatch kit:
HS8358075

HS8358075_Finistère_SimK36,0.128893,0.145116,0.052 462,0.022250,0.044916,0.009373,0.001763,0.003410,0 .012896,0.019859,-0.006878,0.008373,-0.016878,-0.008837,0.016848,0.004414,-0.003283,0.001214,0.000754,0.001229,0.004319,0.000 351,-0.001687,0.006853,-0.000680

Genealogy:
Father side
https://gw.geneanet.org/ledreff?lang=en&n=falhun&oc=&p=louis+paul+leon&type=fiche

Mother side:
https://gw.geneanet.org/ledreff?lang=en&iz=0&p=marie+therese&n=abily

His genealogy is also available on gedmatch
https://i.ibb.co/cKWyKbLc/Breton-Finist-re.png

drb234
05-17-2025, 08:57 PM
It's a Breton from the Finistère
Gedmatch kit:
HS8358075

HS8358075_Finistère_SimK36,0.128893,0.145116,0.052 462,0.022250,0.044916,0.009373,0.001763,0.003410,0 .012896,0.019859,-0.006878,0.008373,-0.016878,-0.008837,0.016848,0.004414,-0.003283,0.001214,0.000754,0.001229,0.004319,0.000 351,-0.001687,0.006853,-0.000680

Genealogy:
Father side
https://gw.geneanet.org/ledreff?lang=en&n=falhun&oc=&p=louis+paul+leon&type=fiche

Mother side:
https://gw.geneanet.org/ledreff?lang=en&iz=0&p=marie+therese&n=abily

His genealogy is also available on gedmatch
https://i.ibb.co/cKWyKbLc/Breton-Finist-re.png

https://i.postimg.cc/Lscr1zRD/image.png

Very shifted towards Continental Celts... Weird for a Breton

Flashball
05-17-2025, 09:11 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/Lscr1zRD/image.png

Very shifted towards Continental Celts... Weird for a Breton

Not really, if we take into account that there are genetic groups and subgroups in Finistère, some of which are closer to the Gallo Bretons (romance area, the most continental celtic like).
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-51087-1



In the resulting 18 clusters, individuals from the westernmost part of Brittany are grouped into four clusters: “Cornouaille”, “Lèon”, “Vannes” and “Bretagne-Centre”, while individuals mostly from south of the river Loire cluster into nine clusters (Fig. 1d). Samples geographically located between these regions are grouped into five clusters: “Malo-Rennais”, “Nantes”, “Guérande”, “Maine-Anjou” and “Ancenis”. The coancestry matrix for the 18 clusters (Fig. S7) reveals a global pattern of increased coancestry within clusters, as expected after a history of shared drift between individuals in the same group, with the exceptions of the clusters “Sèvre” and “Vendée-Est”.

Flashball
05-17-2025, 09:18 PM
Here, some gaulish gedmatch results for the comparison:

Gaulish from Marne (North Eastern France):
SX7025431

Population Percent,
1 North_Atlantic 43.52
2 West_Med 25.05
3 Baltic 21.16
4 East_Med 2.43
5 Amerindian 1.89
6 West_Asian 1.78
7 Red_Sea 1.3
8 Oceanian 1.08
9 Siberian 0.84
10 Northeast_African 0.55
11 Sub-Saharan 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance,
1 French 9.86
2 Southwest_French 10.28
3 South_Dutch 10.5
4 West_German 11.72
5 Spanish_Cantabria 11.8
6 Southwest_English 12.19
7 Southeast_English 12.51
8 Spanish_Cataluna 12.6
9 Spanish_Galicia 12.96
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.29
11 Orcadian 13.82
12 Portuguese 14.09
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.33
14 Irish 14.64
15 Spanish_Valencia 14.76
16 West_Scottish 14.88
17 Spanish_Aragon 14.9
18 Austrian 15.25
19 North_Dutch 15.32
20 Spanish_Murcia 15.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance,
1 60.2% French_Basque + 39.8% Polish @ 2.66
2 63.4% French_Basque + 36.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.77
3 63.2% French_Basque + 36.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.79
4 63.6% French_Basque + 36.4% Belorussian @ 2.92
5 66% French_Basque + 34% Lithuanian @ 2.96
6 64.8% French_Basque + 35.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.01
7 63.6% French_Basque + 36.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.05
8 63.8% French_Basque + 36.2% Estonian @ 3.06
9 59% French_Basque + 41% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.17
10 63.9% French_Basque + 36.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.28
11 59.7% French_Basque + 40.3% Ukrainian @ 3.3
12 58.2% French_Basque + 41.8% South_Polish @ 3.36
13 67.2% French_Basque + 32.8% Erzya @ 3.37
14 63.3% French_Basque + 36.7% Finnish @ 3.59
15 65.1% French_Basque + 34.9% East_Finnish @ 3.64
16 54.4% East_German + 45.6% French_Basque @ 3.89
17 59% French_Basque + 41% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.03
18 69% Southwest_French + 31% North_Swedish @ 4.37
19 64.9% Southwest_French + 35.1% Swedish @ 4.51
20 74.1% Southwest_French + 25.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.83



Gaulish from Bouches-du-Rhône (SouthEastern France):
XK8326710

1 North_Atlantic 41.49
2 West_Med 26.27
3 Baltic 18.65
4 East_Med 8.09
5 Red_Sea 2.33
6 East_Asian 1.14
7 Amerindian 0.99
8 Siberian 0.5
9 Oceanian 0.28
10 Sub-Saharan 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance,
1 Southwest_French 6.29
2 Spanish_Cantabria 7.49
3 Spanish_Cataluna 7.88
4 Spanish_Galicia 7.99
5 French 8
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.43
7 Portuguese 9.15
8 Spanish_Valencia 9.63
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 9.76
10 Spanish_Murcia 10.35
11 Spanish_Extremadura 10.54
12 Spanish_Aragon 10.65
13 Spanish_Andalucia 11.76
14 South_Dutch 11.76
15 West_German 12.66
16 Southeast_English 15.16
17 Southwest_English 15.42
18 North_Italian 15.56
19 Austrian 16.32
20 Orcadian 17.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance,
1 85.5% Southwest_French + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 1.83
2 83.2% Southwest_French + 16.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.21
3 85.3% Southwest_French + 14.7% Finnish @ 2.23
4 85.6% Southwest_French + 14.4% Estonian @ 2.29
5 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Belorussian @ 2.44
6 86.3% Southwest_French + 13.7% East_Finnish @ 2.44
7 86.8% Southwest_French + 13.2% Lithuanian @ 2.5
8 80.8% Southwest_French + 19.2% North_Swedish @ 2.55
9 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.58
10 83.9% Southwest_French + 16.1% Polish @ 2.62
11 83.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 16.7% Estonian @ 2.68
12 85.4% Southwest_French + 14.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.68
13 80.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 19.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.74
14 75.3% Southwest_French + 24.7% East_German @ 2.79
15 82.8% Southwest_French + 17.2% South_Polish @ 2.82
16 83.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 16.8% Finnish @ 2.89
17 77.3% Spanish_Aragon + 22.7% Estonian @ 2.89
18 85.7% Southwest_French + 14.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.91
19 83.8% Southwest_French + 16.2% Ukrainian @ 2.94
20 78.7% Spanish_Aragon + 21.3% Lithuanian @ 2.99