My Meller has a German Y-DNA match

[Peterski]

Sample YF116731 on YFull is my maternal grandfather's brother, Władysław Meller. He is from Wielkopolska region.

Despite having a Slavic haplogroup he now does have a German Y-DNA match with TMRCA around 650 years ago:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y54572/

https://i.imgur.com/DIyEqJd.png

So it is possible that some Germanized Slav became a Meller (Germanic surname) and then migrated to Poland.

[Peterski]

What does it mean that a sample is "Locked"?

[Peterski]

The German match is from Saxony so he might have Sorbian ancestry.

[rothaer]

Sample YF116731 on YFull is my maternal grandfather's brother, Władysław Meller. He is from Wielkopolska region.

Despite having a Slavic haplogroup he now does have a German Y-DNA match with TMRCA around 650 years ago:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y54572/

https://i.imgur.com/DIyEqJd.png

So it is possible that some Germanized Slav became a Meller (Germanic surname) and then migrated to Poland.

Maybe you should add that it's a subclade of R1a.

Most German emigrants to Poland came from the neighbouring eastern parts of Germany. As a rough orientation Eastern Germans have 30-50% Slavic ancestry autosomally so you can expect roughly something corresponding as for the Y-DNA lineages. So that possibility seems even likely.

To be very correct: Meller will be derived from Möller, hence not be a Germanic (but a German) surname. The German names Möller and Müller are derived from Mühle (a mill) which comes from Latin molina. The etymologically Germanic word for mill is quarn (kvarn), quern (kvern), kürn etc.

[Peterski]

Maybe you should add that it's a subclade of R1a.

Yes it is a subclade of R1a-L1029 and it is for sure a typically Slavic subclade!


Most German emigrants to Poland came from the neighbouring eastern parts of Germany. As a rough orientation Eastern Germans have 30-50% Slavic ancestry autosomally so you can expect roughly something corresponding as for the Y-DNA lineages. So that possibility seems even likely.

To be very correct: Meller will be derived from Möller, hence not be a Germanic (but a German) surname. The German names Möller and Müller are derived from Mühle (a mill) which comes from Latin molina. The etymologically Germanic word for mill is quarn (kvarn), quern (kvern), kürn etc.

BTW I made average coordinates for Early Medieval Wielkopolska nad Modern:


Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36),0.1289046,0.1255025,0. 0766078,0.0709792,0.0410247,0.0252861,0.0067696,0. 0129931,-0.0002898,-0.025999,-0.0019983,-0.009579,0.0186445,0.0224095,-0.0092893,0.0023976,0.0061498,-0.0001653,0.0028421,0.0016779,-0.0030051,-0.0057155,0.0079871,-0.0061453,0.0009846
Wielkopolska_Modern(n=9),0.1327936,0.1347269,0.068 7617,0.0590013,0.0383318,0.0226831,0.0086168,0.008 0254,0.0000683,-0.0191551,-0.0038251,-0.0063443,0.0124214,0.0151079,-0.0067257,0.0026664,0.0025498,0.0005912,0.0011312, 0.0020286,-0.0042563,-0.0022257,0.006354,0.0035479,-0.0016364


Distance to: Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36)
0.01153018 Lithuanian_PA
0.01301407 Belarusian
0.01438420 Russian_Pskov
0.01449764 Lithuanian_VA
0.01588268 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.01603598 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.01678793 Russian_Smolensk
0.01736185 Russian_Kursk
0.01819217 Russian_Voronez
0.01865886 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr

Distance to: Wielkopolska_Modern(n=9)
0.01139343 Polish
0.01656774 Polish_Kashubian
0.01872784 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.01907843 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02090257 Slovakian
0.02120301 Polish_Silesian
0.02186659 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.02204475 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02220926 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02327617 Czech