How deviant are your G25 coordinates from each other?

[Fabricius]

How deviant are your G25 coordinates from each other?
Which is your favorite?
(I guess most will say it's the official coordinate made by Davidski, but I'd like to read opinions)
I'm more interested in objective differences, whether in populations or percentages, which changes. But obviously subjective intuition also matters.

If you already have different coordinates, you can ignore the spoiler below:


To request an official Davidski coordinate:
https://g25requests.app/ (https://g25requests.app/)

I have a simulated coordinate made by exploreyourdna, it was free, but now they charge:
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated_coordinates2.aspx


You can generate vahaduo coordinates from Eurogenes results from GEDmatch.
Here are some tools:

% to Vahaduo style:
https://allelocator.ovh/horizontaltovertical.html

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/convert-vahaduo.aspx


Below is how to get some G25 simulations:

Vahaduo Eurogenes coordinates to like G25:
https://allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html

K36 Vahaduo style to G25:
https://allelocator.ovh/K36horizontal.html

K36 sorted result percent to G25
https://allelocator.ovh/K36vertical.html



To show the comparison, you can use your favorite calculator.

Here you will find modern and old samples, individual and average, scaled and unscaled:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html


You can convert your G25 coordinate from scaled to unscaled here:
https://admixtr.streamlit.app/
(click in “convert”)


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I will share my results below


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Edit: Confreres, I mean, what is the difference between each different coordinate of yourselves. For example: official vs K13 vs K36 etc.

[Fabricius]

Here I used all the 2006 samples of Global25_PCA_modern_pop_averages_scaled.txt

https://i.imgur.com/ek8xKP4.png

[Fabricius]

Here I used all the 10927 samples of Global25_PCA_modern_scaled.txt

https://i.imgur.com/NErDvkQ.png

[Fabricius]

Here my personal calculator:




Baltic-German_85%+Ashkenazi_Jew_15%,0.12827569031500002,0 .12835814374500001,0.06531627112699999,0.053049941 5635,0.036403519077,0.020827950932499995,0.0074072 93278649998,0.012031287722999998,0.000935375035399 9998,-0.01669966023595,-0.0027981176573,-0.0069954766932499995,0.011285263981786498,0.01425 1016078539997,-0.0038061688213499993,0.00242252865,0.001424656699 9999996,-0.00082450746405,0.0034048133072999997,0.002887081 3427,-0.00013226527865000006,-0.003134447103595,0.005953160442699999,-0.00108886012135,0.00019041896786499996
Iberian:Spanish_Extremadura,0.105096,0.14996,0.033 061,-0.001184,0.040931,-0.002789,-0.003995,-0.001,0.024679,0.031223,-0.001299,0.005046,-0.010604,-0.012248,0.007555,0.002608,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.006411,0.000417,0.002121,-0.00474,-0.001479,-0.002771,0.001437
Iberian:Spanish_Galicia,0.108765,0.146462,0.041064 ,-0.001651,0.041204,-9.3e-05,-0.005457,0.002423,0.024713,0.030029,-0.002129,0.005737,-0.012611,-0.012157,0.011144,0.000589,-0.004237,-0.002161,-0.005042,-0.001007,0.000873,-0.002899,-0.000808,-0.003682,0.001304
Iberian:Azores,0.105835,0.149456,0.040726,-0.001261,0.043255,-0.001763,-0.003639,0.002367,0.023726,0.029948,-0.002614,0.005962,-0.012439,-0.009816,0.009348,0.000526,-0.002376,-0.000910,-0.002807,-0.001533,0.001360,-0.003402,0.000678,-0.000054,0.000929
Iberian:Portuguese,0.106174,0.144611,0.036007,-0.004432,0.042137,-0.004049,-0.003741,0.00276,0.025598,0.029741,-0.000734,0.007421,-0.012737,-0.011263,0.012557,-0.000398,-0.001132,-0.000887,-0.005762,-0.000245,0.001138,-0.002572,0.001301,-0.001133,-0.000105
Iberian:Spanish_Canarias,0.081294,0.145702,0.03026 9,-0.012903,0.037837,-0.006224,-0.006494,0.000814,0.031604,0.029052,-0.000496,0.005261,-0.007175,-0.013617,0.011022,-0.002198,-0.002738,-0.003487,-0.010843,0.000987,0.000604,-0.00643,0.001641,-0.003418,0.001702
Sub-Saharan_African:Cameroon,-0.6270342,0.0620614,0.0227528,0.0172014,0.0019002, 0.0127262,-0.0258642,0.032011,-0.0376244,0.0195824,0.002329,-0.0008558,0.0043666,0.000319,-0.0004902,0.0006974,-0.0018444,-0.0025572,0.0008256,0.0004372,-0.0007602,0.002577,0.0000198,-0.0001998,-0.0008142
Sub-Saharan_African:Yoruba,-0.630062,0.062501,0.022113,0.016708,0.000503,0.012 474,-0.044417,0.047767,-0.048881,0.032769,0.004621,0.00079,0.023056,0.0009 51,0.012523,-0.009607,0.007076,0.000449,0.006022,-0.00299,0.001554,0.002316,-0.001759,-0.000471,-0.000425
Sub-Saharan_African:Esan_Nigeria,-0.632145,0.064613,0.02324,0.01829,-0.003193,0.014677,-0.041215,0.046412,-0.051054,0.035035,0.008262,-0.001461,0.023358,0.003269,0.012147,-0.009513,0.006747,0.003294,0.006065,-0.003533,0.00039,0.001283,-0.000724,-0.000256,-0.000928
Maghrebi:Moroccan,-0.085367,0.130213,-0.012822,-0.070881,0.021132,-0.03294,-0.027783,0.009769,0.055403,0.024399,0.009509,-0.009025,0.02699,-0.014466,0.016302,-0.006188,-0.002767,-0.017033,-0.038422,0.009435,-0.009844,-0.029512,0.020911,-0.001125,0.005921
Maghrebi:Algerian,-0.068057,0.13278,-0.007165,-0.067736,0.021222,-0.030074,-0.02212,0.007442,0.053031,0.025095,0.005508,-0.00617,0.020856,-0.01386,0.013023,-0.010171,-0.003357,-0.016401,-0.031644,0.00716,-0.009639,-0.028291,0.018189,-0.000266,0.001292
Maghrebi:Tunisian,-0.048517,0.131384,-0.015085,-0.075138,0.019619,-0.030678,-0.022091,0.005019,0.054378,0.019795,0.00544,-0.008037,0.02674,-0.010184,0.013046,-0.007143,-0.003716,-0.012922,-0.029005,0.005174,-0.01045,-0.022829,0.018117,-0.003344,0.00021




https://i.imgur.com/o5mZjfw.png

[Fabricius]

Four corners:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?375079-4-corners-of-Europe-Medieval-edition-(G25-scaled)&highlight=corners

https://i.imgur.com/KtOWeX0.png

[gixajo]

Here my personal calculator:




Baltic-German_85%+Ashkenazi_Jew_15%,0.12827569031500002,0 .12835814374500001,0.06531627112699999,0.053049941 5635,0.036403519077,0.020827950932499995,0.0074072 93278649998,0.012031287722999998,0.000935375035399 9998,-0.01669966023595,-0.0027981176573,-0.0069954766932499995,0.011285263981786498,0.01425 1016078539997,-0.0038061688213499993,0.00242252865,0.001424656699 9999996,-0.00082450746405,0.0034048133072999997,0.002887081 3427,-0.00013226527865000006,-0.003134447103595,0.005953160442699999,-0.00108886012135,0.00019041896786499996
Iberian:Spanish_Extremadura,0.105096,0.14996,0.033 061,-0.001184,0.040931,-0.002789,-0.003995,-0.001,0.024679,0.031223,-0.001299,0.005046,-0.010604,-0.012248,0.007555,0.002608,-0.002347,-0.003294,-0.006411,0.000417,0.002121,-0.00474,-0.001479,-0.002771,0.001437
Iberian:Spanish_Galicia,0.108765,0.146462,0.041064 ,-0.001651,0.041204,-9.3e-05,-0.005457,0.002423,0.024713,0.030029,-0.002129,0.005737,-0.012611,-0.012157,0.011144,0.000589,-0.004237,-0.002161,-0.005042,-0.001007,0.000873,-0.002899,-0.000808,-0.003682,0.001304
Iberian:Azores,0.105835,0.149456,0.040726,-0.001261,0.043255,-0.001763,-0.003639,0.002367,0.023726,0.029948,-0.002614,0.005962,-0.012439,-0.009816,0.009348,0.000526,-0.002376,-0.000910,-0.002807,-0.001533,0.001360,-0.003402,0.000678,-0.000054,0.000929
Iberian:Portuguese,0.106174,0.144611,0.036007,-0.004432,0.042137,-0.004049,-0.003741,0.00276,0.025598,0.029741,-0.000734,0.007421,-0.012737,-0.011263,0.012557,-0.000398,-0.001132,-0.000887,-0.005762,-0.000245,0.001138,-0.002572,0.001301,-0.001133,-0.000105
Iberian:Spanish_Canarias,0.081294,0.145702,0.03026 9,-0.012903,0.037837,-0.006224,-0.006494,0.000814,0.031604,0.029052,-0.000496,0.005261,-0.007175,-0.013617,0.011022,-0.002198,-0.002738,-0.003487,-0.010843,0.000987,0.000604,-0.00643,0.001641,-0.003418,0.001702
Sub-Saharan_African:Cameroon,-0.6270342,0.0620614,0.0227528,0.0172014,0.0019002, 0.0127262,-0.0258642,0.032011,-0.0376244,0.0195824,0.002329,-0.0008558,0.0043666,0.000319,-0.0004902,0.0006974,-0.0018444,-0.0025572,0.0008256,0.0004372,-0.0007602,0.002577,0.0000198,-0.0001998,-0.0008142
Sub-Saharan_African:Yoruba,-0.630062,0.062501,0.022113,0.016708,0.000503,0.012 474,-0.044417,0.047767,-0.048881,0.032769,0.004621,0.00079,0.023056,0.0009 51,0.012523,-0.009607,0.007076,0.000449,0.006022,-0.00299,0.001554,0.002316,-0.001759,-0.000471,-0.000425
Sub-Saharan_African:Esan_Nigeria,-0.632145,0.064613,0.02324,0.01829,-0.003193,0.014677,-0.041215,0.046412,-0.051054,0.035035,0.008262,-0.001461,0.023358,0.003269,0.012147,-0.009513,0.006747,0.003294,0.006065,-0.003533,0.00039,0.001283,-0.000724,-0.000256,-0.000928
Maghrebi:Moroccan,-0.085367,0.130213,-0.012822,-0.070881,0.021132,-0.03294,-0.027783,0.009769,0.055403,0.024399,0.009509,-0.009025,0.02699,-0.014466,0.016302,-0.006188,-0.002767,-0.017033,-0.038422,0.009435,-0.009844,-0.029512,0.020911,-0.001125,0.005921
Maghrebi:Algerian,-0.068057,0.13278,-0.007165,-0.067736,0.021222,-0.030074,-0.02212,0.007442,0.053031,0.025095,0.005508,-0.00617,0.020856,-0.01386,0.013023,-0.010171,-0.003357,-0.016401,-0.031644,0.00716,-0.009639,-0.028291,0.018189,-0.000266,0.001292
Maghrebi:Tunisian,-0.048517,0.131384,-0.015085,-0.075138,0.019619,-0.030678,-0.022091,0.005019,0.054378,0.019795,0.00544,-0.008037,0.02674,-0.010184,0.013046,-0.007143,-0.003716,-0.012922,-0.029005,0.005174,-0.01045,-0.022829,0.018117,-0.003344,0.00021




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https://i.imgur.com/bGP8C2F.png

https://i.imgur.com/0SyQPcN.png

[Fabricius]

https://i.imgur.com/bGP8C2F.png

https://i.imgur.com/0SyQPcN.png

Very interesting, Iberian brother!
Thank you!

[Fabricius]

...

This 5.8 is the bald :thumb001:

[gixajo]

Four corners:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?375079-4-corners-of-Europe-Medieval-edition-(G25-scaled)&highlight=corners

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https://i.imgur.com/UVKeeMn.png

https://i.imgur.com/Tx4QEXv.png

[Fabricius]

Confreres, I mean, what is the difference between each different coordinate of yourselves.

[Wend-Kruzek]

My different G25 .------ Sheet Moriopoulos Collection 2025 - Moderns (No Sims) Averages

Target: Wend .kruzek_sample_synteticDNAgenics
Distance: 1.1768% / 0.01176792 | ADC: 1x
87.8 Czech_(n=21)
8.6 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_(n=1)
3.6 Polish_Wielkopolska_(n=11)


Target: kruzekeuk13g25sim-Admx:
Distance: 2.4417% / 0.02441721 | ADC: 1x
34.4 Czech_(n=21)
27.8 German_East_(n=14)
23.6 German_Thuringia_(n=1)
11.2 Polish_Wielkopolska_(n=11)
3.0 Slovincian_(n=2)


Target: kruzekeu15g25sim-ADMX:
Distance: 1.5749% / 0.01574879 | ADC: 1x
52.6 Slovincian_(n=2)
23.8 Polish_Silesia_(n=2)
23.6 Croat_Slavonia_(n=1)


Target: LudoK35tog25
Distance: 1.6136% / 0.01613564 | ADC: 1x
41.0 Ukrainian_Lviv_(n=11)
25.2 Croat_Slavonia_(n=1)
20.6 Slovincian_(n=2)
7.8 Czech_(n=21)
5.4 German_Saxony_Leipzig_(n=8)


Target: Ludok36ngang25sim
Distance: 1.4699% / 0.01469895 | ADC: 1x
44.6 Ukrainian_Lviv_(n=11)
29.4 Slovincian_(n=2)
13.8 Czech_(n=21)
12.2 Croat_Slavonia_(n=1)


Target: Wend-Kruzek_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.0283% / 0.01028316 | ADC: 1x
77.0 Ukrainian_Lviv_(n=11)
11.6 Croat_Kajkavian_Northern_Croatia_(n=7)
11.4 Czech_(n=21)


Target: Kruzek-k36admixMarquesEUro_scaled
Distance: 1.0048% / 0.01004767 | ADC: 1x
77.0 Ukrainian_Lviv_(n=11)
14.2 Czech_(n=21)
8.8 Croat_Kajkavian_Northern_Croatia_(n=7)


Target: Wend-Kruzek_scaled-Dav-orig-illustra
Distance: 1.4757% / 0.01475654 | ADC: 1x
48.4 German_Saxony_Leipzig_(n=8)
24.4 Croat_Kajkavian_Northern_Croatia_(n=7)
22.6 Ukrainian_Cossack_Dnipropetrovsk_(n=1)
4.6 Ukrainian_Lviv_(n=11)

It all wanders exactly according to the map from ph2ter

I have R1a-yp1337. So East Germany , Bohemia+Moravia fits.
I have a lot in my family tree, surnames originating in the West /Northern/ Balkans - that fits too.
Ukraine - Typically Slavic element.