The earliest Slavic genome - UKR035AB

[AndreiDNA]

https://youtu.be/yjT7afQiNe0?feature=shared

[Peterski]

This is rather a so-called Scythian Farmer not necessarily a Slav.

Other Scythian Farmer samples from Medvyn are similar to him:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1Q6C5VJuoLW_7-ZNTONw2g-yqaAynJXA&usp=sharing

[AndreiDNA]

This is rather a so-called Scythian Farmer not necessarily a Slav.

Other Scythian Farmer samples from Medvyn are similar to him:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1Q6C5VJuoLW_7-ZNTONw2g-yqaAynJXA&usp=sharing

Yeah it is necessarily a slav.
Here's scythians:
141200
141201
And here is it:
141202
Stop calling everyone and everything scythian, it is unscientific and ignorant.

[gixajo]

Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7),0.13268514,0.10982243,0. 18085614,0.182819,0.11887943,0.052033143,0.0123547 14,0.028515429,0.059136571,-0.018718143,-0.0054285714,-0.018176714,0.028160571,0.0042858571,0.031293143,0 .046406429,0.0030175714,0.0057732857,-0.005387,0.043163286,0.067238429,0.0068538571,-0.027149714,-0.11037686,0.010794429
Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2),0.118945,0.04 41755,0.123507,0.2010685,-0.0030775,0.0542445,-0.016216,-0.0212295,-0.008795,-0.0811865,0.012179,-0.015511,0.0283195,-0.0399105,0.0238185,0.017502,-0.0043025,-0.002217,-0.0079185,0.0142565,-0.007861,0.0183625,0.0076415,-0.0244615,-0.0054485
Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28),0.12748179,0.1691 5821,0.06059525,-0.019979857,0.084675071,-0.016813143,0.00104075,0.0072854286,0.053840893,0. 070551321,0.00060896429,0.0090777143,-0.016188036,-0.0057014286,-0.010120821,0.0024576429,0.0073807143,0.0065064286 ,0.0062175714,-0.0016168214,0.010432393,0.0062708571,-0.013878536,-0.02784825,0.00047482143
Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7),0.044065857,0.066154714,-0.15634357,0.0068752857,-0.124067,0.02263,0.015678714,-0.00039542857,-0.082101714,-0.054827,-0.0010208571,-0.0017127143,0.0049484286,-0.0081198571,0.033833143,0.055801143,-0.0064821429,0.0092844286,0.0096788571,-0.035034857,0.0075402857,-0.029800286,-0.011972571,-0.037320429,0.022187714
Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1),0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036


Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
Distance: 4.7863% / 0.04786272
53.8 Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28)
28.8 Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2)
15.8 Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)
1.6 Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7)
0.0 Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)

[AndreiDNA]

141203
A scythian with 0.62% Siberian + 1.43% East Asian + 0.29% Amerindian?
Have we forgotten that Scythians originate from a people who were 20% East Eurasian on average (Tagars)?
Now when you factor in the fact that corded ware and EHG themselves score 2-4% of these components without having any eastern ancestry

Its pretty f-ing obvious that this isnt a scythian in any way. Even his Y lineage is typically Slavic.

[Peterski]

According to Leonid Vyazov Slavs emerged only later from a mixture of Scythian Farmers with Balts.

Early Slavs are not close to Slovaks but rather to Belarusians:

Distance to: Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
0.01104715 Belarusian
0.01164192 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.01253569 Russian_Smolensk
0.01337993 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.01425132 Russian_Voronez
0.01456419 Lithuanian_PA
0.01470711 Russian_Kursk
0.01542988 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.01547015 Ukrainian_Sumy

And Slavs can be modelled as a mixture of UKR035AB and Balts:

Target: Germany_Krakauer_Berg_AD_1099_1351_N=11
Distance: 1.2411% / 0.01241132
60.2 Scythian_Farmers_Right_bank_Ukraine(n=6)
30.0 Latvia_BA_Kivutkalns_550_BC_Cov>50%N=7
9.8 Goths_Weklice_90_AD_Cov>40%N=9

[Peterski]

Yeah it is necessarily a slav.

He is closest to Slovaks while Early Medieval Slavs are closest to Belarusians.

According to Vyazov Slavs had more of Baltic_BA admixture than UKR035AB.

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Edit:

You should analyze these samples, they are also interesting and possibly Slavic:

https://i.imgur.com/whRkF9l.png

From Olbia the Balto-Slavic sample is called UKR153:


Balto_Slavic_UKR153__BC_573__Cov_42.28%,0.110408,0 .12491,0.069767,0.061047,0.029544,0.017012,0.0094, 0.009692,0.001227,-0.023873,-0.003085,-0.004196,0.01115,0.025047,-0.004343,0.014452,0.017471,0.005321,0.003771,-0.001626,0.002496,-0.00507,-0.00037,-0.006266,-0.001916

And here is the list of all "Scythian Farmers" samples:

UKR035AB
MJ14
UKR043
UKR044
scy009
scy010
MJ13
UKR096
UKR111
UKR114
UKR116
UKR110

[ScandinavianCelt]

https://youtu.be/yjT7afQiNe0?feature=shared

Looks quite like me. Do you have G25 coords?

Nevermind, I think it's this, right?

Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%,0.122929,0.129988,0.060339 ,0.047804,0.042469,0.023427,0.00658,0.008769,-0.000205,-0.011116,-0.003573,0.001649,-0.000446,0.006881,-0.016558,0.004375,0.001304,-0.001267,0.000754,0.005127,0.002121,0.00272,0.0023 42,-0.011688,0.004191

FWIW: This is my distance and which samples plot closest to my distance to this 1st Slav:

https://i.postimg.cc/RV2zJmvR/1stslav-my-GDplace-hghlt.png (https://postimg.cc/PPb70Bpp)

[Peterski]

Distance to: EIA_outlier_I25525__BC_600__Cov_69.62%
0.03079641 Polish
0.03109895 German_East
0.03164149 Czech
0.03281857 Polish_Kashubian
0.03389208 German_Hamburg

Distance to: Balto_Slavic_UKR153__BC_573__Cov_42.28%
0.03393922 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03405369 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03477528 Moldovan_o
0.03603257 Russian_Kursk
0.03618932 Russian_Ryazan

Distance to: Himera_Battle_I10943__BC_480__Cov_59.11%
0.03961192 Russian_Pskov
0.04022647 Lithuanian_VA
0.04111663 Lithuanian_RA
0.04217034 Lithuanian_SZ
0.04230946 Lithuanian_PA

Distance to: Himera_Battle_I10949__BC_480__Cov_49.19%
0.03119409 Russian_Pskov
0.03228041 Lithuanian_PA
0.03228404 Russian_Tver
0.03286940 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03334398 Lithuanian_VA

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I18226__BC_345__Cov_64.76%
0.02558622 Russian_Ryazan
0.02560208 Russian_Kursk
0.02705774 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.02762336 Russian_Kaluga
0.02768666 Russian_Tver

Distance to: I25524__BC_268__Cov_69.57%_R1a_M458
0.02862756 Lithuanian_SZ
0.02961708 Lithuanian_VA
0.03010793 Russian_Pskov
0.03054708 Lithuanian_RA
0.03117274 Latvian

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I18183__BC_289__Cov_51.27%
0.02743305 Polish
0.02925067 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02964727 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03071359 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03090323 Slovakian

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I18182__BC_235__Cov_50.42%
0.03756687 Slovakian
0.03966816 Hungarian
0.04162631 Croatian
0.04189744 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04267426 Polish_Silesian

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I25509__BC_181__Cov_74.76%
0.02707931 Slovakian
0.02982136 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03270183 Polish
0.03396745 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03482311 Polish_Silesian

Distance to: R9673__AD_150__Cov_64.87%
0.03123724 Lithuanian_VA
0.03290030 Lithuanian_PA
0.03457423 Lithuanian_RA
0.03464392 Russian_Pskov
0.03718053 Lithuanian_SZ

Distance to: I32305__AD_100__Cov_80.50%
0.02772167 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02849974 Russian_Kursk
0.02967408 Russian_Tver
0.03091030 Lithuanian_PA
0.03133079 Belarusian

Distance to: R3657__AD_282__Cov_42.39%
0.03123170 Russian_Pskov
0.03436402 Lithuanian_VA
0.03589430 Russian_Tver
0.03618144 Lithuanian_PA
0.03651761 Estonian

[Peterski]

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR035AB_BC_650_Cov81.80%
0.02782792 Slovakian
0.02843673 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02979541 Czech
0.03019295 Hungarian
0.03110925 Slovenian

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR044_BC_650_Cov_36.39%
0.03505370 Polish
0.03615631 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03774883 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03786605 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03813387 Polish_Kashubian

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR043_BC_650_Cov_32.42%
0.03464823 Hungarian
0.03613694 Austrian
0.03758353 German_Erlangen
0.03842004 German_Hamburg
0.03939342 German

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_MJ14__BC_643__Cov_11.76%
0.04262844 Moldovan_o
0.04554155 Russian_Belgorod
0.04657730 Slovakian
0.04834627 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04933259 Ukrainian_Rivne

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_scy009__BC_618__Cov_82.43%
0.03416063 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03563172 Polish
0.03664322 Czech
0.03738737 Slovakian
0.03745816 German_East

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_scy010__BC_656__Cov_35.59%
0.04333502 Slovakian
0.04401224 Austrian
0.04460980 German_Erlangen
0.04530981 Hungarian
0.04649006 Croatian

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_MJ13__BC_545__Cov_21.10%
0.05211100 Moldovan_o
0.05300369 German_East
0.05302782 Russian_Orel
0.05380610 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05400368 Ukrainian_Lviv

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR096__BC_290__Cov_64.95%
0.03199527 Russian_Ryazan
0.03459911 Russian_Kursk
0.03479045 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03513322 Moldovan_o
0.03517211 Moksha

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR111__BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.03130650 Slovakian
0.03293123 Moldovan_o
0.03374506 Czech
0.03379140 Hungarian
0.03395377 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR114__BC_450__Cov_25.25%
0.04095828 Afrikaner
0.04143989 Hungarian
0.04254897 German_Hamburg
0.04367138 German_Erlangen
0.04390636 Czech

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR116__BC_645__Cov_46.54%
0.02812066 Belarusian
0.02864696 Russian_Pskov
0.02890109 Lithuanian_PA
0.03071293 Russian_Kaluga
0.03076791 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR110__BC_350__Cov_37.09%
0.04949212 Moldovan_o
0.05234732 Moksha
0.05336561 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05451957 Russian_Ryazan
0.05485614 Hungarian

[AndreiDNA]

Distance to: EIA_outlier_I25525__BC_600__Cov_69.62%
0.03079641 Polish
0.03109895 German_East
0.03164149 Czech
0.03281857 Polish_Kashubian
0.03389208 German_Hamburg

Distance to: Balto_Slavic_UKR153__BC_573__Cov_42.28%
0.03393922 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03405369 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03477528 Moldovan_o
0.03603257 Russian_Kursk
0.03618932 Russian_Ryazan

Distance to: Himera_Battle_I10943__BC_480__Cov_59.11%
0.03961192 Russian_Pskov
0.04022647 Lithuanian_VA
0.04111663 Lithuanian_RA
0.04217034 Lithuanian_SZ
0.04230946 Lithuanian_PA

Distance to: Himera_Battle_I10949__BC_480__Cov_49.19%
0.03119409 Russian_Pskov
0.03228041 Lithuanian_PA
0.03228404 Russian_Tver
0.03286940 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.03334398 Lithuanian_VA

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I18226__BC_345__Cov_64.76%
0.02558622 Russian_Ryazan
0.02560208 Russian_Kursk
0.02705774 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.02762336 Russian_Kaluga
0.02768666 Russian_Tver

Distance to: I25524__BC_268__Cov_69.57%_R1a_M458
0.02862756 Lithuanian_SZ
0.02961708 Lithuanian_VA
0.03010793 Russian_Pskov
0.03054708 Lithuanian_RA
0.03117274 Latvian

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I18183__BC_289__Cov_51.27%
0.02743305 Polish
0.02925067 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02964727 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03071359 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03090323 Slovakian

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I18182__BC_235__Cov_50.42%
0.03756687 Slovakian
0.03966816 Hungarian
0.04162631 Croatian
0.04189744 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04267426 Polish_Silesian

Distance to: LaTene_outlier_I25509__BC_181__Cov_74.76%
0.02707931 Slovakian
0.02982136 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03270183 Polish
0.03396745 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03482311 Polish_Silesian

Distance to: R9673__AD_150__Cov_64.87%
0.03123724 Lithuanian_VA
0.03290030 Lithuanian_PA
0.03457423 Lithuanian_RA
0.03464392 Russian_Pskov
0.03718053 Lithuanian_SZ

Distance to: I32305__AD_100__Cov_80.50%
0.02772167 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.02849974 Russian_Kursk
0.02967408 Russian_Tver
0.03091030 Lithuanian_PA
0.03133079 Belarusian

Distance to: R3657__AD_282__Cov_42.39%
0.03123170 Russian_Pskov
0.03436402 Lithuanian_VA
0.03589430 Russian_Tver
0.03618144 Lithuanian_PA
0.03651761 Estonian

What a ridiculus thing to type.
Slovaks are 90%+ Slavic.
Being closest to Slovaks doesn't make you UN-SLAVIC, it makes you SLAVIC.
Those La Tene outliers you posted are SLAVS.
Just because something is labeled "La tene" doesn't mean it is that.
At least you aren't calling this sample a Scythian anymore, thats some good progress.

Z282 Scythian closest to Slovaks.

[AndreiDNA]

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR035AB_BC_650_Cov81.80%
0.02782792 Slovakian
0.02843673 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02979541 Czech
0.03019295 Hungarian
0.03110925 Slovenian

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR044_BC_650_Cov_36.39%
0.03505370 Polish
0.03615631 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03774883 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03786605 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03813387 Polish_Kashubian

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR043_BC_650_Cov_32.42%
0.03464823 Hungarian
0.03613694 Austrian
0.03758353 German_Erlangen
0.03842004 German_Hamburg
0.03939342 German

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_MJ14__BC_643__Cov_11.76%
0.04262844 Moldovan_o
0.04554155 Russian_Belgorod
0.04657730 Slovakian
0.04834627 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04933259 Ukrainian_Rivne

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_scy009__BC_618__Cov_82.43%
0.03416063 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03563172 Polish
0.03664322 Czech
0.03738737 Slovakian
0.03745816 German_East

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_scy010__BC_656__Cov_35.59%
0.04333502 Slovakian
0.04401224 Austrian
0.04460980 German_Erlangen
0.04530981 Hungarian
0.04649006 Croatian

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_MJ13__BC_545__Cov_21.10%
0.05211100 Moldovan_o
0.05300369 German_East
0.05302782 Russian_Orel
0.05380610 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05400368 Ukrainian_Lviv

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR096__BC_290__Cov_64.95%
0.03199527 Russian_Ryazan
0.03459911 Russian_Kursk
0.03479045 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03513322 Moldovan_o
0.03517211 Moksha

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR111__BC_657__Cov_41.62%
0.03130650 Slovakian
0.03293123 Moldovan_o
0.03374506 Czech
0.03379140 Hungarian
0.03395377 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR114__BC_450__Cov_25.25%
0.04095828 Afrikaner
0.04143989 Hungarian
0.04254897 German_Hamburg
0.04367138 German_Erlangen
0.04390636 Czech

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR116__BC_645__Cov_46.54%
0.02812066 Belarusian
0.02864696 Russian_Pskov
0.02890109 Lithuanian_PA
0.03071293 Russian_Kaluga
0.03076791 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Scythian_Farmer_UKR110__BC_350__Cov_37.09%
0.04949212 Moldovan_o
0.05234732 Moksha
0.05336561 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.05451957 Russian_Ryazan
0.05485614 Hungarian

Whoever came up with these labels is a total idiot.

[Peterski]

Slovaks are 90%+ Slavic

Slovaks have Balkan and German admixtures compared to Proto-Slavs.

Early Medieval Slavic samples such as AV2 are usually close to Belarusians:

Distance to: Szolad_AV2__AD_602__Cov_68.94%
0.02417500 Belarusian
0.02595342 Russian_Smolensk
0.02601441 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02682705 Lithuanian_PA
0.02726237 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02759825 Russian_Voronez
0.02810289 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02815259 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02838487 Polish
0.02901688 Russian_Orel


Szolad_AV2__AD_602__Cov_68.94%,0.133173,0.125926,0 .081081,0.064277,0.035699,0.033746,0.008225,0.0080 77,0.007976,-0.019864,-0.002598,-0.004946,0.009068,0.02491,-0.014794,-0.001856,0.004172,0.00076,0.010936,-0.003502,0.002496,-0.00272,0.012325,-0.010604,0.003712


At least you aren't calling this sample a Scythian anymore, thats some good progress.

Scythian Farmers is a name that Herodotus used to describe this population.


Whoever came up with these labels is a total idiot.

These samples are called Scythians in a scientific publication in which they were published.

Also if you read Herodotus then you will see that he called those people Scythian Farmers:

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Herodotus/4b*.html

You don't know historical sources, it seems:

"17 Northward of the port of the Borysthenites,⁠1 which lies midway in the coastline of all Scythia, the first inhabitants are the Callippidae, who are Scythian Greeks; and beyond them another tribe called Alazones; these and the Callippidae, though in other p219 matters they live like the Scythians, sow and eat corn,º and onions, garlic, lentils, and millet. Above the Alazones dwell Scythian tillers of the land, who sow corn not for eating but for selling; north of these, the Neuri; to the north of the Neuri the land is uninhabited so far as we know.

18 These are the tribes by the river Hypanis,⁠2 westwards of the Borysthenes. But on the other side of the Borysthenes the tribe nearest to the sea is the tribe of the Woodlands; and north of these dwell Scythian farmers, whom the Greek dwellers on the Hypanis river (who call themselves Olbiopolitae) call Borystheneitae. These farming Scythians inhabit a land stretching eastward a three days' journey to a river called Panticapes,⁠3 and northward as far as an eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes; and north of these the land is uninhabited for a long way; after which desert is the country of the Man‑eaters, who are a nation by themselves and by no means Scythian; and beyond them is true desert, wherein no nation of men dwells, as far as we know.

19 But to the east of these farming Scythians, cross the river Panticapes, and you are in the land of nomad Scythians, who sow nothing, nor plough; and all these lands except the Woodlands are bare of trees. These nomads inhabit to the eastward a country that stretches fourteen days' journey to the river Gerrus.4"

[Peterski]

Slovaks are 90%+ Slavic.

I don't think so.

In a 3-way model with Medieval Poles (who were undoubtedly Slavic), Dutch and Albanian, they score only 2/3 Slavic:

Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.5701% / 0.01570150
66.4 Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
18.0 Dutch
15.6 Albanian

Coordinates used:

SOURCE:


Dutch,0.127441,0.134179,0.060271,0.044076,0.040844 ,0.016397,0.005402,0.007263,0.004209,0.001924,-0.005635,0.004427,-0.009846,-0.008676,0.01783,0.005623,-0.006516,0.001748,0.003909,0.002816,0.00448,0.0033 85,-5e-06,0.013892,-0.000656
Albanian,0.12224,0.143591,0.017566,-0.015768,0.026394,-0.007339,0.002499,0.001469,0.001507,0.017312,-0.000863,0.003573,-0.00624,0.006284,-0.019308,-0.002097,0.011999,0.000537,0.0074,-0.006184,-0.008088,0.001409,0.002835,0.003358,-0.003032
Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62,0.127812,0.124484,0.0 73964,0.06671,0.041457,0.026225,0.008911,0.012253,-0.001316,-0.024234,-0.002399,-0.010099,0.01606,0.022987,-0.009555,0.000252,0.0042,-0.00076,0.003363,0.000347,-0.003053,-0.004037,0.007041,-0.005177,0.00125

TARGET:


Slovakian,0.130441,0.128769,0.062677,0.051486,0.04 1238,0.020024,0.006768,0.0078,-0.001841,-0.011554,-0.001916,-0.003747,0.009871,0.010432,-0.009148,0.009281,0.012934,0.000253,0.00543,0.0023 51,-0.003718,-0.002077,0.004338,0.001928,-0.001892

[AndreiDNA]

Slovaks have Balkan and German admixtures compared to Proto-Slavs.

Early Medieval Slavic samples such as AV2 are usually close to Belarusians:

Distance to: Szolad_AV2__AD_602__Cov_68.94%
0.02417500 Belarusian
0.02595342 Russian_Smolensk
0.02601441 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02682705 Lithuanian_PA
0.02726237 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02759825 Russian_Voronez
0.02810289 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02815259 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02838487 Polish
0.02901688 Russian_Orel


Szolad_AV2__AD_602__Cov_68.94%,0.133173,0.125926,0 .081081,0.064277,0.035699,0.033746,0.008225,0.0080 77,0.007976,-0.019864,-0.002598,-0.004946,0.009068,0.02491,-0.014794,-0.001856,0.004172,0.00076,0.010936,-0.003502,0.002496,-0.00272,0.012325,-0.010604,0.003712



Scythian Farmers is a name that Herodotus used to describe this population.



These samples are called Scythians in a scientific publication in which they were published.

Also if you read Herodotus then you will see that he called those people Scythian Farmers:

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Herodotus/4b*.html

You don't know historical sources, it seems:

"17 Northward of the port of the Borysthenites,⁠1 which lies midway in the coastline of all Scythia, the first inhabitants are the Callippidae, who are Scythian Greeks; and beyond them another tribe called Alazones; these and the Callippidae, though in other p219 matters they live like the Scythians, sow and eat corn,º and onions, garlic, lentils, and millet. Above the Alazones dwell Scythian tillers of the land, who sow corn not for eating but for selling; north of these, the Neuri; to the north of the Neuri the land is uninhabited so far as we know.

18 These are the tribes by the river Hypanis,⁠2 westwards of the Borysthenes. But on the other side of the Borysthenes the tribe nearest to the sea is the tribe of the Woodlands; and north of these dwell Scythian farmers, whom the Greek dwellers on the Hypanis river (who call themselves Olbiopolitae) call Borystheneitae. These farming Scythians inhabit a land stretching eastward a three days' journey to a river called Panticapes,⁠3 and northward as far as an eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes; and north of these the land is uninhabited for a long way; after which desert is the country of the Man‑eaters, who are a nation by themselves and by no means Scythian; and beyond them is true desert, wherein no nation of men dwells, as far as we know.

19 But to the east of these farming Scythians, cross the river Panticapes, and you are in the land of nomad Scythians, who sow nothing, nor plough; and all these lands except the Woodlands are bare of trees. These nomads inhabit to the eastward a country that stretches fourteen days' journey to the river Gerrus.4"
Slovaks have Balkan and German admixtures compared to Proto-Slavs
One big problem. That Av2 sample dates a MILLENIA later than the Ukraine sample.
thats why I called it the EARLIEST Slav. Its EARLIER than Av2, which is in fact admixed with balts, while the Ukrainian sample isnt.
"Also if you read Herodotus then you will see that he called those people Scythian Farmers:"
Who cares what Herodotus called them. They lived in a time when they thought the earth was a board on top of 3 elephants. Herodotus isnt a reputable source of info on iron age ukrainians.

[AndreiDNA]

I don't think so.

In a 3-way model with Medieval Poles (who were undoubtedly Slavic), Dutch and Albanian, they score only 2/3 Slavic:

Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.5701% / 0.01570150
66.4 Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
18.0 Dutch
15.6 Albanian

Coordinates used:

SOURCE:


Dutch,0.127441,0.134179,0.060271,0.044076,0.040844 ,0.016397,0.005402,0.007263,0.004209,0.001924,-0.005635,0.004427,-0.009846,-0.008676,0.01783,0.005623,-0.006516,0.001748,0.003909,0.002816,0.00448,0.0033 85,-5e-06,0.013892,-0.000656Albanian,0.12224,0.143591,0.017566,-0.015768,0.026394,-0.007339,0.002499,0.001469,0.001507,0.017312,-0.000863,0.003573,-0.00624,0.006284,-0.019308,-0.002097,0.011999,0.000537,0.0074,-0.006184,-0.008088,0.001409,0.002835,0.003358,-0.003032
Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62,0.127812,0.124484,0.0 73964,0.06671,0.041457,0.026225,0.008911,0.012253,-0.001316,-0.024234,-0.002399,-0.010099,0.01606,0.022987,-0.009555,0.000252,0.0042,-0.00076,0.003363,0.000347,-0.003053,-0.004037,0.007041,-0.005177,0.00125

TARGET:


Slovakian,0.130441,0.128769,0.062677,0.051486,0.04 1238,0.020024,0.006768,0.0078,-0.001841,-0.011554,-0.001916,-0.003747,0.009871,0.010432,-0.009148,0.009281,0.012934,0.000253,0.00543,0.0023 51,-0.003718,-0.002077,0.004338,0.001928,-0.001892

These medieval Poles are part Baltic

[Peterski]

One big problem. That Av2 sample dates a MILLENIA later than the Ukraine sample.

So you have a big problem because all of Early Medieval Slavs are more similar to Av2 than to your Ukraine sample.

Just check Polish Medieval samples or Krakauer Berg Slavs from Germany or Slavs from the Margaryan 2020 study.

[Peterski]

These medieval Poles are part Baltic

No they most likely aren't, because they are from Wielkopolska region which was never inhabited by Balts.

But if you don't like Medieval Poles then use Krakauer Berg Slavs from Germany. Are they also part Baltic?

[Peterski]

Its EARLIER than Av2, which is in fact admixed with balts

So all of Early Medieval Slavs who plot like Av2 are admixed with Balts according to you?


They lived in a time when they thought the earth was a board on top of 3 elephants.

No, ancient Greeks already figured out that the Earth is round.

[AndreiDNA]

So you have a big problem because all of Early Medieval Slavs are more similar to Av2 than to your Ukraine sample.

Just check Polish Medieval samples or Krakauer Berg Slavs from Germany or Slavs from the Margaryan 2020 study.

Those samples are all dated roughly to the same period as I10430, which clusters with slovaks.

[AndreiDNA]

So all of Early Medieval Slavs who plot like Av2 are admixed with Balts according to you?



No, ancient Greeks already figured out that the Earth is round.

To plot with belarusians you need to have baltic admixture. Pure slavs are west ukrainians and slovaks. Belarusians are heavily baltic admixed. It is ridiculous to say that early slavs are supposed to resemble belarusians AND NO OTHER SLAVIC ETHNICITY

It is also completely batshit c r a z y to call a clearly Slavic sample with y:R-z282 a SCYTHIAN

[Peterski]

Those samples are all dated roughly to the same period as I10430, which clusters with slovaks.

I10430 from Turkey clusters with Slovaks because he has Balkan admixture.

Slovaks also have Balkan admixture from Pre-Slavic inhabitants of Slovakia.


Pure slavs are west ukrainians and slovaks.

No, West Ukrainians and Slovaks have more of Balkan admixture compared to pure Slavs.

[Peterski]

It is ridiculous to say that early slavs are supposed to resemble belarusians

But most of Early Medieval Slavs, such as Medieval Poles, plot with Belarusians.

And Balts lived only in North-Eastern part of Poland, not in entire Poland.

Also, Early Medieval Poles had no Baltic haplogroup N1, check here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JFlLJm35tIQqfRyo4De-VJl9eCFAP4Vi46djxIV2g44/edit?usp=sharing

Y-DNA haplogroups in Early Medieval Poland, only 1.6% of N1:

https://i.imgur.com/qpbLRO9.png

[Peterski]

BTW these "Scythian Farmers" look like a mix of Lusatian or Trzciniec with something Balkan (such as Thracians):

Target: Scythian_Farmers_Right_bank_Ukraine(n=6)
Distance: 1.1741% / 0.01174079
68.0 Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_IA_850_BC_Cov>50%N=2
21.0 Thracian_I5769__BC_642__Cov_62.24%
11.0 Odesa_Thracian_EIA_860_BC_Cov>25%N=3

Do you agree with this model for them?

[AndreiDNA]

I10430 from Turkey clusters with Slovaks because he has Balkan admixture.

Slovaks also have Balkan admixture from Pre-Slavic inhabitants of Slovakia.



No, West Ukrainians and Slovaks have more of Balkan admixture compared to pure Slavs.

"I10430 from Turkey clusters with Slovaks because he has Balkan admixture."
Proof?
"Slovaks also have Balkan admixture from Pre-Slavic inhabitants of Slovakia."
Such as?
"No, West Ukrainians and Slovaks have more of Balkan admixture compared to pure Slavs."
BS.
Belarusians can't be pure Slavs. The entirety of Belarus was inhabited by Balts before the Slavs moved there during migration period. There are Baltic haplogroups, baltic toponyms in belarus.
Also who told you ALL early slavs must cluster with the same exact ethnicity (Belarus) and not with the closely related Slovaks?
You clearly have no problem lumping people who cluster with Bashkirs with people who cluster with Slovaks in the same group... Why the meticulousness when it comes to Slavs? Apparently if you aren't closest to Belarusian you cant be a slav... Very selective. Clustering with slovaks is suddenly not good enough! It has to be belarusians, and NO OTHER slavic ethnicity... when Belarusians aren't even fully slavic themselves.
Cut out the clown act buddy

[AndreiDNA]

BTW these "Scythian Farmers" look like a mix of Lusatian or Trzciniec with something Balkan (such as Thracians):

Target: Scythian_Farmers_Right_bank_Ukraine(n=6)
Distance: 1.1741% / 0.01174079
68.0 Ukraine_Volyn_Lusatian_IA_850_BC_Cov>50%N=2
21.0 Thracian_I5769__BC_642__Cov_62.24%
11.0 Odesa_Thracian_EIA_860_BC_Cov>25%N=3

Do you agree with this model for them?

They aren't all the same ethnicity. This is like taking 6 people, 2 germans, 3 italians, and 1 irish guy and saying they are closest to Swiss. They must all be Swiss.

[Peterski]

"I10430 from Turkey clusters with Slovaks because he has Balkan admixture."
Proof?
"Slovaks also have Balkan admixture from Pre-Slavic inhabitants of Slovakia."
Such as?

Check Vekerzug Culture samples from Slovakia, a lot of them are Balkan-like.


"No, West Ukrainians and Slovaks have more of Balkan admixture compared to pure Slavs."
BS.

Ukrainians from Lviv Oblast plot close to Carpathian Rusyns who are known to be descended from Vlachs (Balkan shepherds):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs

Closest distances to Lviv Oblast (academic samples) when using my Eurogenes K36 averages:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Europe_UA_Lviv-Oblast
0.0000000
Europe_SK_Zemplin-Rusyns
0.3105286
Europe_SK_Slovakia:Average
0.3587213
Europe_PL_Malopolskie
0.3650068
Europe_SK_Slovakia-Presov
0.3980729
Europe_UA_Zakarpattia-Oblast
0.4379760
Europe_PL_Podkarpackie
0.4386924
Europe_PL_Upper-Silesia
0.4779979
(...)


Belarusians can't be pure Slavs. The entirety of Belarus was inhabited by Balts before the Slavs moved there during migration period. There are Baltic haplogroups, baltic toponyms in belarus.
Also who told you ALL early slavs must cluster with the same exact ethnicity (Belarus) and not with the closely related Slovaks?
You clearly have no problem lumping people who cluster with Bashkirs with people who cluster with Slovaks in the same group... Why the meticulousness when it comes to Slavs? Apparently if you aren't closest to Belarusian you cant be a slav... Very selective. Clustering with slovaks is suddenly not good enough! It has to be belarusians, and NO OTHER slavic ethnicity... when Belarusians aren't even fully slavic themselves.
Cut out the clown act buddy

Belarusians (especially Northern) do have Baltic admixture which is proven by the fact that they have a lot of N1 haplogroup.

However, Medieval Poles had only 1.6% of N1 haplogroup (see the chart I posted above) so they have no Baltic admixture.

[AndreiDNA]

Check Vekerzug Culture samples from Slovakia, a lot of them are Balkan-like.



Ukrainians from Lviv Oblast plot close to Carpathian Rusyns who are known to be descended from Vlachs (Balkan shepherds):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs

Closest distances to Lviv Oblast (academic samples) when using my Eurogenes K36 averages:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Europe_UA_Lviv-Oblast
0.0000000
Europe_SK_Zemplin-Rusyns
0.3105286
Europe_SK_Slovakia:Average
0.3587213
Europe_PL_Malopolskie
0.3650068
Europe_SK_Slovakia-Presov
0.3980729
Europe_UA_Zakarpattia-Oblast
0.4379760
Europe_PL_Podkarpackie
0.4386924
Europe_PL_Upper-Silesia
0.4779979
(...)



Belarusians (especially Northern) do have Baltic admixture which is proven by the fact that they have a lot of N1 haplogroup.

However, Medieval Poles had only 1.6% of N1 haplogroup (see the chart I posted above) so they have no Baltic admixture.

"Ukrainians from Lviv Oblast plot close to Carpathian Rusyns who are known to be descended from Vlachs (Balkan shepherds):"
That Vlach admixture is tiny. They're overwhelmingly slavic. I've done qpAdm models on romanians, even they are over half Slavic.
"However, Medieval Poles had only 1.6% of N1 haplogroup (see the chart I posted above) so they have no Baltic admixture."
They're clearly part Baltic autosomally. N1 lineage must have not been present in all Balts. Its very probable that there was a pocket of Balts that weren't affected by the spread of N1. N1 doesn't leave an autosomal trace in the baltics, Latvians and lithuanians score 0 kra001. It's very possible and probable that a group related to them, carrying no N1, contributed to these medieval Poles you're posting.
It's all plug and guess.
What we know for sure is that UKR035AB
1. Clusters with Slavs (Northern Slavs in fact, those who are most similar to hypothetical early slavs)
2. Carries R-z282
3. Lives in the slavic urheimat at a time period earlier than all other slavic samples

From that it follows that it is the OTHER slavic samples who are a mix of UKR035AB + something else, and not the other way around

[Peterski]

N1 lineage must have not been present in all Balts. Its very probable that there was a pocket of Balts that weren't affected by the spread of N1. N1 doesn't leave an autosomal trace in the baltics, Latvians and lithuanians score 0 kra001. It's very possible and probable that a group related to them, carrying no N1, contributed to these medieval Poles you're posting.
It's all plug and guess.

This is a possibility, I agree. But in such case where and when did this Baltic admixture occur in your opinion?


What we know for sure is that UKR035AB
1. Clusters with Slavs (Northern Slavs in fact, those who are most similar to hypothetical early slavs)

He is also close to Slovenians, who clearly have double digits of Balkan-like and/or Italian-like admixture.


2. Carries R-z282
3. Lives in the slavic urheimat at a time period earlier than all other slavic samples

There are many theories about where was the Slavic urheimat located, not just one theory.

By the way I have talked with Leonid Vyazov via e-mail, I will show him your video and ask him what he thinks.

[Peterski]

But there is a mistake in your video, UKR035AB is not from Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, he is from Kyiv Oblast (Bila Tserkva Raion):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medvyn_rural_hromada - he is from here

[cass]

He was very close to me, and even closer to my mother. I wonder if it's merely a mathematical proximity — like G25.

Distance to: cass
0.02917306 Polish:PCA0618
0.02932196 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.03165306 Polish:PCA0620
0.03229626 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0122__AD_950__Cov_32.59%
0.03373615 Poland_Lad_MA:PCA0187__AD_1100__Cov_16.32%
0.03385271 Poland_Viking.SG:VK154_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_90.3 9%
0.03400179 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0148__AD_950__Cov_51.95%
0.03412573 Polish:PCA0617
0.03548201 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0146__AD_950__Cov_17.03%
0.03680430 Poland_Viking.SG:VK156_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_53.7 3%
0.03680537 Poland_Maslomecz_IA_oEastEurope:PCA0103__AD_300__C ov_74.27%
0.03741509 Poland_Viking.SG:VK157_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_47.3 0%
0.03786296 Polish:PCA0251
0.03855874 Poland_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0027__AD_200__Cov_26.91%
0.03876781 Poland_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0063__AD_200__Cov_28.45%
0.03937424 Poland_Lad_MA:PCA0198__AD_1100__Cov_22.83%
0.03938082 Poland_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0339__AD_1100__Cov_38 .61%
0.03958413 Poland_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0088__AD_300__Cov_29.37%
0.03985382 Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10634.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_60.11%
0.04059660 Poland_Maszycka_Magdalenian:MAZ001__BC_16435__Cov_ 2.25%
0.04066400 Poland_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0089__AD_300__Cov_30.27%
0.04085869 Poland_Viking.SG:VK494_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_12.5 1%
0.04102797 Poland_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0092__AD_300__Cov_32.64%
0.04103291 Poland_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0332__AD_1100__Cov_25 .61%
0.04129695 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0124__AD_950__Cov_43.78%


Distance to: par1M
0.02568081 Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
0.03033525 Polish:PCA0618
0.03060781 Polish:PCA0620
0.03323687 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0146__AD_950__Cov_17.03%
0.03325167 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0122__AD_950__Cov_32.59%
0.03454685 Poland_Lad_MA:PCA0187__AD_1100__Cov_16.32%
0.03477369 Polish:PCA0617
0.03602387 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0148__AD_950__Cov_51.95%
0.03799017 Poland_Viking.SG:VK154_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_90.3 9%
0.03905891 Poland_Maslomecz_IA_oEastEurope:PCA0103__AD_300__C ov_74.27%
0.03931285 Poland_Viking.SG:VK156_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_53.7 3%
0.03988966 Poland_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0063__AD_200__Cov_28.45%
0.04004229 Poland_Kowalewko_IA:PCA0027__AD_200__Cov_26.91%
0.04009838 Poland_Maszycka_Magdalenian:MAZ001__BC_16435__Cov_ 2.25%
0.04026872 Poland_Niemcza_MA:PCA0143__AD_950__Cov_35.02%
0.04066384 Poland_Viking.SG:VK157_noUDG.SG__AD_1000__Cov_47.3 0%
0.04090335 Poland_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0332__AD_1100__Cov_25 .61%
0.04150637 Poland_Maslomecz_IA:PCA0088__AD_300__Cov_29.37%
0.04153502 Polish:PCA0251
0.04172483 Poland_Ostrow_Lednicki_MA:PCA0339__AD_1100__Cov_38 .61%
0.04173917 Poland_Lad_MA:PCA0198__AD_1100__Cov_22.83%
0.04187659 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz720__BC_1268__Cov_46.60%
0.04252846 Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10634.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_60.11%
0.04260372 Polish:PCA0573
0.04309581 Poland_Santok_MA:PCA0426__AD_1100__Cov_11.83%

[gixajo]

I don't think so.

In a 3-way model with Medieval Poles (who were undoubtedly Slavic), Dutch and Albanian, they score only 2/3 Slavic:

Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.5701% / 0.01570150
66.4 Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
18.0 Dutch
15.6 Albanian

Coordinates used:

SOURCE:


Dutch,0.127441,0.134179,0.060271,0.044076,0.040844 ,0.016397,0.005402,0.007263,0.004209,0.001924,-0.005635,0.004427,-0.009846,-0.008676,0.01783,0.005623,-0.006516,0.001748,0.003909,0.002816,0.00448,0.0033 85,-5e-06,0.013892,-0.000656
Albanian,0.12224,0.143591,0.017566,-0.015768,0.026394,-0.007339,0.002499,0.001469,0.001507,0.017312,-0.000863,0.003573,-0.00624,0.006284,-0.019308,-0.002097,0.011999,0.000537,0.0074,-0.006184,-0.008088,0.001409,0.002835,0.003358,-0.003032
Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62,0.127812,0.124484,0.0 73964,0.06671,0.041457,0.026225,0.008911,0.012253,-0.001316,-0.024234,-0.002399,-0.010099,0.01606,0.022987,-0.009555,0.000252,0.0042,-0.00076,0.003363,0.000347,-0.003053,-0.004037,0.007041,-0.005177,0.00125

TARGET:


Slovakian,0.130441,0.128769,0.062677,0.051486,0.04 1238,0.020024,0.006768,0.0078,-0.001841,-0.011554,-0.001916,-0.003747,0.009871,0.010432,-0.009148,0.009281,0.012934,0.000253,0.00543,0.0023 51,-0.003718,-0.002077,0.004338,0.001928,-0.001892

Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
Distance: 2.3998% / 0.02399845
60.8 Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
20.8 Dutch
18.4 Albanian

[cass]

Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
Distance: 1.7712% / 0.01771180
29.2 Lithuanian_SZ
21.8 Slovakian
15.6 Basque_Soule
15.0 Latvian
7.2 Georgian_Svaneti
4.4 Basque_Biscay
4.0 Sardinian
1.2 Turkish_West_Macedonia
1.0 Bantu_Kenya
0.6 Kuy_Suay

Whenever I detect Basque-like signals in Slavic samples in G25, I tend to interpret them as residual traces of the Globular Amphora culture.

https://www.antikmakler.de/media/image/product/340396/md/bv517300.jpg

[ScandinavianCelt]

Comparing 2x on the Balto-Slavic Drift calc:

Target: Ukrainian_Chernihiv:EG600052
Distance: 4.9837% / 0.04983671 | ADC: 2x RC
51.6 BSD
48.4 YAMNAYA

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 9.4270% / 0.09427040 | ADC: 2x RC
59.6 YAMNAYA
40.4 BSD

[Vessna]

To plot with belarusians you need to have baltic admixture. Pure slavs are west ukrainians and slovaks. Belarusians are heavily baltic admixed. It is ridiculous to say that early slavs are supposed to resemble belarusians AND NO OTHER SLAVIC ETHNICITY

It is also completely batshit c r a z y to call a clearly Slavic sample with y:R-z282 a SCYTHIAN

Slavs and Balts emerged from a shared ancestral Proto-Balto-Slavic population. There is solid linguistic and historical evidence to support this. A 'pure Slav' doesn’t exist—just as a 'pure Balt' doesn’t. While some populations may have higher percentages of Slavic ancestry, none are entirely 'pure'. It’s not surprising that early Slavic samples are Belarusian-like.

[Roy]

Slovaks have Balkan and German admixtures compared to Proto-Slavs.

Early Medieval Slavic samples such as AV2 are usually close to Belarusians:

Distance to: Szolad_AV2__AD_602__Cov_68.94%
0.02417500 Belarusian
0.02595342 Russian_Smolensk
0.02601441 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02682705 Lithuanian_PA
0.02726237 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02759825 Russian_Voronez
0.02810289 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02815259 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02838487 Polish
0.02901688 Russian_Orel


Szolad_AV2__AD_602__Cov_68.94%,0.133173,0.125926,0 .081081,0.064277,0.035699,0.033746,0.008225,0.0080 77,0.007976,-0.019864,-0.002598,-0.004946,0.009068,0.02491,-0.014794,-0.001856,0.004172,0.00076,0.010936,-0.003502,0.002496,-0.00272,0.012325,-0.010604,0.003712



Scythian Farmers is a name that Herodotus used to describe this population.



These samples are called Scythians in a scientific publication in which they were published.

Also if you read Herodotus then you will see that he called those people Scythian Farmers:

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Herodotus/4b*.html

You don't know historical sources, it seems:

"17 Northward of the port of the Borysthenites,⁠1 which lies midway in the coastline of all Scythia, the first inhabitants are the Callippidae, who are Scythian Greeks; and beyond them another tribe called Alazones; these and the Callippidae, though in other p219 matters they live like the Scythians, sow and eat corn,º and onions, garlic, lentils, and millet. Above the Alazones dwell Scythian tillers of the land, who sow corn not for eating but for selling; north of these, the Neuri; to the north of the Neuri the land is uninhabited so far as we know.

18 These are the tribes by the river Hypanis,⁠2 westwards of the Borysthenes. But on the other side of the Borysthenes the tribe nearest to the sea is the tribe of the Woodlands; and north of these dwell Scythian farmers, whom the Greek dwellers on the Hypanis river (who call themselves Olbiopolitae) call Borystheneitae. These farming Scythians inhabit a land stretching eastward a three days' journey to a river called Panticapes,⁠3 and northward as far as an eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes; and north of these the land is uninhabited for a long way; after which desert is the country of the Man‑eaters, who are a nation by themselves and by no means Scythian; and beyond them is true desert, wherein no nation of men dwells, as far as we know.

19 But to the east of these farming Scythians, cross the river Panticapes, and you are in the land of nomad Scythians, who sow nothing, nor plough; and all these lands except the Woodlands are bare of trees. These nomads inhabit to the eastward a country that stretches fourteen days' journey to the river Gerrus.4"


The country of the Man-eaters drew my attention. Who were the late antiquity East European cannibal tribe, were they related to proto-Slacs? Or is it more of a hearsay? Anyone knows more?

[cass]

The country of the Man-eaters drew my attention. Who were the late antiquity East European cannibal tribe, were they related to proto-Slacs? Or is it more of a hearsay? Anyone knows more?

Here you are
https://i.ibb.co/0pjkMnrn/scythiansgreekss00minn-0152.jpg (https://ibb.co/LDzMt010)

https://archive.org/details/scythiansgreekss00minn/page/104/mode/2up

[celticdragongod]

Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7),0.13268514,0.10982243,0. 18085614,0.182819,0.11887943,0.052033143,0.0123547 14,0.028515429,0.059136571,-0.018718143,-0.0054285714,-0.018176714,0.028160571,0.0042858571,0.031293143,0 .046406429,0.0030175714,0.0057732857,-0.005387,0.043163286,0.067238429,0.0068538571,-0.027149714,-0.11037686,0.010794429
Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2),0.118945,0.04 41755,0.123507,0.2010685,-0.0030775,0.0542445,-0.016216,-0.0212295,-0.008795,-0.0811865,0.012179,-0.015511,0.0283195,-0.0399105,0.0238185,0.017502,-0.0043025,-0.002217,-0.0079185,0.0142565,-0.007861,0.0183625,0.0076415,-0.0244615,-0.0054485
Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28),0.12748179,0.1691 5821,0.06059525,-0.019979857,0.084675071,-0.016813143,0.00104075,0.0072854286,0.053840893,0. 070551321,0.00060896429,0.0090777143,-0.016188036,-0.0057014286,-0.010120821,0.0024576429,0.0073807143,0.0065064286 ,0.0062175714,-0.0016168214,0.010432393,0.0062708571,-0.013878536,-0.02784825,0.00047482143
Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7),0.044065857,0.066154714,-0.15634357,0.0068752857,-0.124067,0.02263,0.015678714,-0.00039542857,-0.082101714,-0.054827,-0.0010208571,-0.0017127143,0.0049484286,-0.0081198571,0.033833143,0.055801143,-0.0064821429,0.0092844286,0.0096788571,-0.035034857,0.0075402857,-0.029800286,-0.011972571,-0.037320429,0.022187714
Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1),0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036


Target: Ukraine_Kyiv_Scythian_RightDnipro_IllThr_EIA:UKR03 5AB__BC_650__Cov_81.80%
Distance: 4.7863% / 0.04786272
53.8 Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28)
28.8 Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2)
15.8 Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)
1.6 Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7)
0.0 Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.14373509 Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28)
0.23005400 Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2)
0.26925919 Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7)
0.27700425 Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)
0.33303449 Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 0.0610% / 0.06099969
56.5 Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28)
29.9 Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2)
13.6 Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.07411001 36.20% Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2) + 63.80% Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28)
0.10961136 73.20% Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28) + 26.80% Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)
0.11892712 79.40% Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28) + 20.60% Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.12718189 22.00% Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7) + 78.00% Poland_N_Globular_Amphora_(n=28)
0.14486529 51.00% Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7) + 49.00% Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)
0.16316774 57.60% Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7) + 42.40% Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.17648305 59.20% Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2) + 40.80% Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)
0.19399776 68.60% Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2) + 31.40% Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.21802506 31.80% Lithuania_EMN_Narva_(n=7) + 68.20% Russia_Samara_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=2)
0.27699702 1.00% Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7) + 99.00% Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_Klde_(CHG)_(n =1)

[celticdragongod]

I don't think so.

In a 3-way model with Medieval Poles (who were undoubtedly Slavic), Dutch and Albanian, they score only 2/3 Slavic:

Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.5701% / 0.01570150
66.4 Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
18.0 Dutch
15.6 Albanian

Coordinates used:

SOURCE:


Dutch,0.127441,0.134179,0.060271,0.044076,0.040844 ,0.016397,0.005402,0.007263,0.004209,0.001924,-0.005635,0.004427,-0.009846,-0.008676,0.01783,0.005623,-0.006516,0.001748,0.003909,0.002816,0.00448,0.0033 85,-5e-06,0.013892,-0.000656
Albanian,0.12224,0.143591,0.017566,-0.015768,0.026394,-0.007339,0.002499,0.001469,0.001507,0.017312,-0.000863,0.003573,-0.00624,0.006284,-0.019308,-0.002097,0.011999,0.000537,0.0074,-0.006184,-0.008088,0.001409,0.002835,0.003358,-0.003032
Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62,0.127812,0.124484,0.0 73964,0.06671,0.041457,0.026225,0.008911,0.012253,-0.001316,-0.024234,-0.002399,-0.010099,0.01606,0.022987,-0.009555,0.000252,0.0042,-0.00076,0.003363,0.000347,-0.003053,-0.004037,0.007041,-0.005177,0.00125

TARGET:


Slovakian,0.130441,0.128769,0.062677,0.051486,0.04 1238,0.020024,0.006768,0.0078,-0.001841,-0.011554,-0.001916,-0.003747,0.009871,0.010432,-0.009148,0.009281,0.012934,0.000253,0.00543,0.0023 51,-0.003718,-0.002077,0.004338,0.001928,-0.001892

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01968100 Dutch
0.05821119 Slovakian
0.07379403 Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62
0.10344489 Albanian

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 0.0197% / 0.01968100
100.0 Dutch

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.05721075 11.00% Albanian + 89.00% Slovakian
0.06219477 32.40% Albanian + 67.60% Polish_Medieval_Average_N=62