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AndreiDNA
06-25-2025, 05:24 PM
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This model was done with the following rights: Mbuti.DG,Georgia_Dzudzuana_UP.AG,Morocco_Iberomaur usian.AG,Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG,Italy_Epigravettian_alt. AG.BY.AA,Russia_AfontovaGora3_UP.AG

According to it, the GAC were 41.9% Pinarbasi/AHG, 14.1% Natufian, 11.2% Iran N, 22.6% WHG, 10.2% EHG
When it comes to the WHG and EHG, thats easy to understand. This seems to be the ratio of WHG to EHG in the baltic in the mesolithic.

But what about the Iran N and Natufian?
Well. That admixture was actually present in ANF from the very beginning. And Europeans score both Iran N and Natufian aside from the Iran N found in steppe.
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Now let's model ANF.
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Rights used: Mbuti.DG,Georgia_Dzudzuana_UP.AG,Morocco_Iberomaur usian.AG,Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG

In essence, ANF that contributed to Europeans was 68.1% AHG, 14.8% Natufian, 17.1% Iran N

Gannicus
06-25-2025, 08:15 PM
What was the Natufian admix of the Catalhoyuk ANFs? 20%?

cass
06-25-2025, 08:41 PM
Maybe the similarity comes from Natufian and Iran_N both descending from a common ancestor like Pınarbaşı/AHG? Do you reject that possibility?

AndreiDNA
06-25-2025, 09:59 PM
Maybe the similarity comes from Natufian and Iran_N both descending from a common ancestor like Pınarbaşı/AHG? Do you reject that possibility?

No, that's not a possibility. They are very distant from Pinarbasi/AHG and even from each other. Iran N is even easily distinguishable from CHG, let alone from pinarbasi. I honestly don't see what the argument here is.
They have common (Dzudzuana) ancestry and therefore what... they're somehow the same? Theres a tonn of genetic drift and admixture separating these components.

AndreiDNA
06-25-2025, 10:00 PM
What was the Natufian admix of the Catalhoyuk ANFs? 20%?

Catalhoyuk had lower Natufian than Barcin but much higher Iran N

cass
06-25-2025, 10:16 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/bY6DJspX/Zrzut-ekranu-26-6-2025-0131-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4n9N24Yw)

An interesting result, because in G25 you don't see that between 10,000 BC and 3,000 BC.

AndreiDNA
06-25-2025, 10:18 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/bY6DJspX/Zrzut-ekranu-26-6-2025-0131-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4n9N24Yw)

An interesting result, because in G25 you don't see that between 10,000 BC and 3,000 BC.

Well we all know you can't rely on G25 in cases like this.
If you go by G25 numbers europeans are 6%CHG on average (While being 50%+ steppe)