Classify Lenin

[Alkane]

Classify Russian author, revolutionary, and statesman V.I. Lenin.

He had red hair and grey eyes.

1887, age 17
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3167/4564386384_6836063208_z.jpg

1890, age 20
http://fotolenin.narod.ru/b/4.jpg

1895, age 25
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/gaiasabre11/AAR%20pics/Lenin-1895-mugshot.jpg

1910, age 40
http://tov.lenin.ru/titan/color/1910.jpg

Portrait in color
http://www.portret.ru/modules/GalleryMuseum/album/coeval/Lenin_.jpg

In color, played by an actor:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/682/baltijskajaslavaavi0022.jpg

[Nairi]

He had red hair and grey eyes.


And Tatar features, he is also said to have some Jewish blood.

[Dr. van Winkle]

East-Baltid+Borreby with Armenoid admixture. Von Eickstedt had classified him as Turanid-like.


Lenin came from a diverse ancestry. He was of Christian Russian, Tatar, German, and Swedish descent, while his maternal grandfather may have descended from the Jewish Blank family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

[Nairi]

East-Baltid+Borreby with Armenoid admixture. Von Eickstedt had classified him as Turanid-like.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

Armenoid in Tatar? :eek: :D

[StonyArabia]

He is part Kalmyk and part Chuvash. The Chuvash are a Turkic Christian Orthodox people and the Kalmyk are a Mongol Buddhist people who live in the North Caucasus in their republic of Kalmykia located north of Dagestan, this could explain his Mongol like attributes. He did not have Tatar blood though.

[Alkane]

East-Baltid+Borreby with Armenoid admixture. Von Eickstedt had classified him as Turanid-like.
The first one sounds right, but Armenoid is way off. Lenin looked like a typical northern European from Germany, Scandinavia, etc.

He is part Kalmyk and part Chuvash.
There are rumors about this, but no concrete proof. Ilya Ulyanov's family came from Nizhny Novgorod (Gorky) and Astrakhan. They didn't belong to foreign nationalities, but were Russian.

Lenin was the spitting image of his father.

And features like red hair, grey eyes, baldness, and thick facial hair are not commonly associated with Asiatic races.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/I_N_Ulyanov.jpg/438px-I_N_Ulyanov.jpg

[Nairi]

According to Russian Wiki Lenin had possible Chuvash roots from his father's side. Mother's side has two options: 1) Kalmyk, 2) Swede/German and Jewish.
And it is certain his maternal grandfather was a Jew (Alexandr Blank) who adopted Christianity.


Владимир Ильич Ульянов родился в 1870 году в Симбирске (ныне Ульяновск), в семье инспектора народных училищ Симбирской губернии Ильи Николаевича Ульянова (1831—1886), — сына бывшего крепостного крестьянина села Андросово Сергачского уезда Нижегородской губернии Николая Ульянова (вариант написания фамилии: Ульянина), возможно, имевшего чувашские корни, женатого на Анне Смирновой — дочери астраханского мещанина (по версии советской писательницы М. С. Шагинян, происходившей из рода крещёных калмыков[3]). Мать — Мария Александровна Ульянова (урождённая Бланк, 1835—1916), шведско-немецкого происхождения по матери и еврейского — по отцу. Дедом Владимира по матери был еврей, принявший православие, Александр Дмитриевич Бланк[4][5]. И. Н. Ульянов дослужился до чина действительного статского советника, что в Табели о рангах соответствовало военному чину генерал-майора, и давало право на потомственное дворянство.

[Nairi]

Typical Nothern European from Germany,Scandinavia looks like this? :eek:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/gaiasabre11/AAR%20pics/Lenin-1895-mugshot.jpg

[Alkane]

According to Russian Wiki Lenin had possible Chuvash roots from his father's side.
Again, there are a lot of rumors about his alleged ancestry, but not enough concrete proof. If Lenin was really Chuvash,Kalmyk, etc then that would be expressed by his family names. Tons of people belonging to the Russian nationality today have foreign family names, especially Ukrainian and German.


2) Swede/German and Jewish.
And it is certain his maternal grandmother was a Jew (Alexandr Blank) who adopted Christianity.
It was Lenin's sister who claimed to have found something that identified their grandfather as Jewish. Lenin's maternal side is German and perhaps something else, and his father's side was nothing but Russian.

[Alkane]

Typical Nothern European from Germany,Scandinavia looks like this? :eek:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/gaiasabre11/AAR%20pics/Lenin-1895-mugshot.jpg

Look at the color photo оf it. Also, this is a mugshot from when he was arrested in 1895... So not the most flattering/high quality picture:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WPMKi5H2_0A/S9BWRmTnloI/AAAAAAAAGkg/rPhfXcdfzVs/Lenin-1895B%5B3%5D.jpg

[Nairi]

Look at the color photo оf it. Also, this is a mugshot from when he was arrested in 1895... So not the most flattering/high quality picture:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WPMKi5H2_0A/S9BWRmTnloI/AAAAAAAAGkg/rPhfXcdfzVs/Lenin-1895B%5B3%5D.jpg

I am looking at his features, not colours. Do you think it is typical Russian features?

Also, in Russian Empire names not always reveal true ethnicity, there are many Armenians with typical Russian names/surnames.

Btw, what is your ethnicity? Have you done introduction thread yet?

[StonyArabia]

else, and his father's side was nothing but Russian

His father is assumed to have had Kalymk roots partially.

[Alkane]

Other photos:

Lenin and his brother and sisters.

http://fotolenin.narod.ru/b/97.jpg

Brother Aleksander
http://img11.nnm.ru/4/8/9/a/1/2793fb0495e1b5b6462f8ccd7f0.jpg

Brother Dimitrii
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ClneVy4Pnq4/R6EIwnFyC0I/AAAAAAAAAa8/EmjFRiTGoIQ/s400/8891.jpg

Sister Anna
http://lifedn.ru/uploads/posts/2011-02/1297513633_7.jpg

Sister Maria
http://fictionbook.ru/static/bookimages/00/09/57/00095719.bin.dir/h/ulyano10.jpg

[Siberyak]

I am looking at his features, not colours. Do you think it is typical Russian features?

Also, in Russian Empire names not always reveal true ethnicity, there are many Armenians with typical Russian names/surnames.

Btw, what is your ethnicity? Have you done introduction thread yet?

Many tatars look completly slavic also

[Nairi]

Many tatars look completly slavic also

Or some Slavic look Tatar because of mixing?

[Humanophage]

Baltid/Uralid, I'd imagine.

His ethnicity should be irrelevant to classification, but Chuvashes commonly have Russified surnames, as do many other Christianised ethnicities in the area. The same applies to Kalmyks. Not to mention that he changed his surname from Uliyanin to Uliyanov.

Why should his official biographers be regarded as entirely untrustworthy on the matter, especially if that is further confirmed by his appearance? Lenin, his father and his father's brother all look part-Uralid:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_C9qaLuX_51I/Tc2cvqcsq1I/AAAAAAAACLg/sbmPOBkHZ-Y/image002.jpg

His father among likely Russians (in the centre)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Management_of_national_schools.jpg/478px-Management_of_national_schools.jpg


Or some Slavic look Tatar because of mixing?
North Asian admixtures among Slavs are dimunitive, while Uralic ethnicities are predominantly East European genetically, though with large non-Euro (North and East Asian) admixtures. So the former, that some Tatars look Slavic, would be more reasonable.

[Dr. van Winkle]

Typical Nothern European from Germany,Scandinavia looks like this?

Swedish man from Älvdalen, Dalarna province:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7997/swedishman.jpg

He is not at all that strange to Northern Europe.

[Nairi]

Swedish man from Älvdalen, Dalarna province:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7997/swedishman.jpg

He is not at all that strange to Northern Europe.

But this is not a typical look there either, right?

[AFC_Lad]

bastard! god bless the romanovs.

[Suvorov]

bastard! god bless the romanovs. Yes,this monster has killed the whole family Romanov.He does not deserve to be classify in human selection.Pig!!

[Rouxinol]

Mostly Turanid.

[sturmwalkure]

Yes,this monster has killed the whole family Romanov.He does not deserve to be classify in human selection.Pig!!

Lenin = Untermensch!

[SKYNET]

he was a jew

[op135]

there is an obvious asiatic influence in his appearance

[sturmwalkure]

Ugly bastard and mass murderer.

[Smeagol]

Borreby/Ladogan/slight Tungid.

[Shah-Jehan]

Turanid...

[YeshAtid]

Turanid...

this

[Stormer99]

Turanid

[amerinese]

I read a biography on Stalin a couple of years ago, from the period leading up to the revolution. Evidently Lenin would often pass as a Finn when in exile and traveling stealthfully around Europe.

[Smaug]

He had Kalmykian ancestry and it does show in his phenotype.

[Smeagol]

I read a biography on Stalin a couple of years ago, from the period leading up to the revolution. Evidently Lenin would often pass as a Finn when in exile and traveling stealthfully around Europe.

He's very atypical for a Finn.

[Smeagol]

he was a jew

He was 1/4 Jewish.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Mostly Borreby with Uralic component.

[Kastrioti1443]

Baltid

[Smeagol]

Borreby/Balto-Borreby with West Siberid influences.

[Roy]

Balto-Uralid.

[Starseed88]

Baltid/Uralid?

[Odin]

East-Baltid.

[fortress europe]

Turanid

[Jingle Bell]

Baltid, i thought he was full Russian

[Marshall Theodore]

Balto-Uralid

[Kess]

Borreby+Turanid

[SudanGuy]

Balto-Uralid. You can see the Baltid quite well. Looks like Dicaprio.