A sad day for Kangz (NEW ancient Egyptian DNA)

[Friends of Oliver Society]

A sad day for all Kangz...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9R7dlx1jNI

[Observer9000]

we wuznt

[Gannicus]

I modeled him with qpAdm on IllustrativeDNA (for the most part these are reference populations I've seen AndreiDNA use):

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I see why they like Morocco_MN skh001. I was able to replicate their findings with a similar Northern Mesopotamian(second model):

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References:

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Then I modeled Morocco_MN skh001:

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references for the Morocco_MN admix model:

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^ I'd like some feedback to know if this is a valid set of references.


I'd like for archaeogeneticists to sequence more remains from the Old Kingdom, Pre Dynastic, and the later Middle and New Kingdoms. My wish is that it would be over 200 samples per time period with no contamination and great coverage, however I'm afraid that is a great big ask. I believe that NUE001 is reflecting the trend that the Ancient Egyptians had some to no SSA admixture.

Acquiring that many samples that reflect this trend would help silence the Afrocentric movement. As it is now just like the Scheuneman et al 2017 study, they will claim it doesn't reflect the genetic ancestry of all of Egypt.

[Wandal]

"Anatolian and Aegean ancestry"

L.A. Waddell's research from the 1920s showed that the rulers of Egypt were Sumerians (or the Phoenician branch of Sumerians beginning with King Uruash about 3100 BC. The first Sumerian dynasty was established in Anatolia about 3378 BC).

Edit:

The first Pharoah of Egypt was Manish-Tushu (or Manis-Tusu or Manis the Warrior) the son of "Sargon the Great." (himself a predynastic king of Egypt)
"Sargon" or Uruka-Gina of the Kish chronicle.

[Steelman22]

I do like Metatron.

[Gannicus]

Sorry, this is a copy paste from my post in the mega qpAdm models thread, but I think it's important to put here as well.

Afrocentrists like to claim that the Third Intermediate Period Egyptians are just foreigners from the Faiyum. Because the Faiyum is where foreigners did settle. Well... the doctoral thesis by Adeline Morez was able to model those third intermediate period Egyptians as ~80% NUE001(Old Kingdom Egyptian) and ~20% Bronze Age West Asian.

I asked AndreiDNA model the TIP Egyptians the same way as Morez et al 2023 did (Probably a different West Asian):

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P.S. This was not written by AI and the post before this one.

[Wandal]

L.A. Waddell's research from the 1920s showed that the rulers of Egypt were Sumerians (or the Phoenician branch of Sumerians beginning with King Uruash about 3100 BC. The first Sumerian dynasty was established in Anatolia about 3378 BC).

Edit:

The first Pharoah of Egypt was Manish-Tushu (or Manis-Tusu or Manis the Warrior) the son of "Sargon the Great." (himself a predynastic king of Egypt)
"Sargon" or Uruka-Gina of the Kish chronicle.

Sargon son of Uruka-Gina

[Wandal]

The official King-Lists, Indian and Mesopotamian, show
Menes and his predecessors and successors in his First
Dynasty in the same chronological order and position, with
the names and titles they bear in the Egyptian records.
The Sumerian Mesopotamian and Indus Valley script of
those kings is the same as that used by the pre-dynastic and
First Dynasty Pharaohs in their monumental inscriptions.
The Egyptian Hieroglyphs are discovered to be a slightly
modified conventional form of the Sumerian diagrammatic
picture-writing which came into use gradually during the
rule of Menes and his immediate successors, and to have
the same phonetic values as their parent picture-signs in the
Sumerian. And the radical words in Ancient Egyptian are of
Sumerian origin, though later they became adapted to a large
extent to the Semitic speech and idioms of the aborigines.

L.A. Waddell 1930 Egyptian Civilisation: Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology page viii

[Etelfrido]

It's good to have more scientific backing, but except maybe for the Sumerian connectionit's not exactly new. Other genetic studies already pointed against a Sub-Saharan origin and there were archeological hints to that too.

The Sandals of King Tooting Carmen:

https://i.imgur.com/z6nv1xd.png

"Black slaves accompanying the triumph of Ramses III"

https://i.imgur.com/0Vu3uNe.png

[Wandal]

It says Aegean and Levantine ancestry. "Levantine" would mean Syria, one of the Phoenician kingdoms. "Aegean" culturally includes the entire Anatolian region of Hittite (Sumerian) cities to Troy (Wilusa) and the east to the Black Sea.

Ancient Sumerian tablets and Indian records which match each other showing the same king lists seems sufficiently scientific.
Paleographic and linquistic analysis showing that hieroglyphics derive from Sumerian cuneiform also support this.


See L.A. Waddell's book Egyptian Civilisation: Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology 1930.