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The Journeyman
01-20-2012, 05:35 PM
Yay or Nay?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/images/kurdistan2.gif
http://z.about.com/d/middleeast/1/0/C/1/-/-/0729-kurdish.jpg

Ar-Man
01-20-2012, 05:42 PM
Yes, but without the territories of Western Armenia :)

Nairi
01-21-2012, 12:32 AM
They don't only claim Western Armenia but also a part of Armenia where Ezidis live, for that they try to claim Ezidis are Kurds to which Ezidis vehemently oppose, in Armenia we have big problems with Ezidi and Kurdish communities.Muslim Kurds committed genocide on non Muslim Ezidis.

Fernando
01-21-2012, 12:34 AM
The towelheads have been killing each other for centuries, let it go on I say. They'll never learn. It's because of their religious extremism, tribal behavior and extreme racist attitude and hatred of Western values.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 12:36 AM
Sure, in Iran, Iraq and Syria.

Mercury
01-21-2012, 12:39 AM
I would support Kurdish independence for Iraq, Syria, & some parts of Turkey. But I wouldn't support any secessionist movement from Iran.

Fernando
01-21-2012, 12:40 AM
I would support Kurdish independence for Turkey, Iraq, & Syria. But I wouldn't support any secessionist movement from Iran.

Why? Are you in league with Ahmadinejad or something?

Mercury
01-21-2012, 12:42 AM
Why? Are you in league with Ahmadinejad or something?

I don't like the Iranian government. But it is only a matter of time the younger generations in Iran rid themselves of that Arab-wannabe government. Then they can embrace Western values. Along with an emergence of atheism, agnosticism, and a return of the pre-Islamic faith of Zoroastrianism. I would prefer Iran to be fully united when that happens.

Nairi
01-21-2012, 12:43 AM
Eastern Turkey = Western Armenia, historical part of Armenia.

Fernando
01-21-2012, 12:45 AM
I don't like the Iranian government. But it is only a matter of time the younger generations in Iran rid themselves of that Arab-wannabe government. Then they can embrace Western values. Along with an emergence of atheism, agnosticism, and a return of the pre-Islamic faith of Zoroastrianism. I would prefer Iran to be fully united when that happens.

I don't believe so, that's a pipe dream. Iranians are extremists at heart, it's no wonder why Iran is one of the few Middle Eastern countries with a true Islamic law, even Armenia and Egypt are more Westernized/liberal than Iran. I wouldn't trust in them ever since they overthrew the Shah.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 12:46 AM
Eastern Turkey = Western Armenia, historical part of Armenia.

Eastern Turkey = Republic of Turkey. Historical part of Armenia, Sassanid Empire, Alexander's Empire, Byzantine Empire, and many others of historical losers that don't remember that history is history.

StonyArabia
01-21-2012, 12:51 AM
No I don't support an independent Kurdistan. Those people who support Kurdistan do favor independence of Adygheia(Circassia) from the Russian federation? Probably not, but you favor Kurdish independence because you believe it will weaken Turkey.

Nairi
01-21-2012, 12:53 AM
I don't believe so, that's a pipe dream. Iranians are extremists at heart, it's no wonder why Iran is one of the few Middle Eastern countries with a true Islamic law, even Armenia and Egypt are more Westernized/liberal than Iran. I wouldn't trust in them ever since they overthrew the Shah.

I don't know how you ended up comparing Islamic Iran ,Egypt with "even Armenia" at all in the terms of being "Westernized" lol
But since they are our neighbours and we have 40.000 Iranian tourists during their New Year ( in March) every year an many in summers I can tell you most of them are not Islamic, but Islam is imposed on them, they come to Armenia to take their scarfs off, to drink, to have fun. Many of them are Zoroastranians. Many fighters against Islam on YouTube are Persians and in many cases they are leaders there.

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 12:53 AM
Can they run a state of their own? They seem to be too tribal for that.

Mercury
01-21-2012, 12:54 AM
I don't believe so, that's a pipe dream. Iranians are extremists at heart, it's no wonder why Iran is one of the few Middle Eastern countries with a true Islamic law, even Armenia and Egypt are more Westernized/liberal than Iran. I wouldn't trust in them ever since they overthrew the Shah.

The older generation is extremely Islamic. Mostly in response to the Shah government. But every single young Iranian I know (below 30) absolutely hates the government and either embraces Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Atheism, or agnosticism. The Green protests from a few years back are foreshadowing the future for Persia.

I don't agree with him on a lot but Christoper Hitchens sums up Persia's history & future pretty well in this video:
qrBVQjivS08

Aces High
01-21-2012, 12:56 AM
If they make me grand mufhti...or khazi of tha khalibar then yes.....as long as they shower me in diamonds and gold and give me a couple of oil wells that glug out 5000 barrels a day each then im all for it.

The flag will have my head on it with a golden crown on a lime blue background.

The national anthem will be.

Aces High is the boss,
Endevour not to make him cross,
Sent from heaven to lead the way,
Kurdish men bow down and pray,

Chorus.
Offer your daughters for his pleasure,
Give him wine and food for leisure,
Long live Aces is the cry,
We all shall shout from mountains high,

Sung to the banana splits theme tune.

CQTq88Ie5sU

Beorn
01-21-2012, 12:59 AM
Give a fuck.

http://www.duchyoriginals.com/images/product/main/Pre767033.jpg

Keep sending me bottles of these and I'll do whatever it takes to suck your political cock, and the cock of my home nation in which to ensure the continuation of above proposed jam jars.

Nairi
01-21-2012, 01:00 AM
Eastern Turkey = Republic of Turkey. Historical part of Armenia, Sassanid Empire, Alexander's Empire, Byzantine Empire, and many others of historical losers that don't remember that history is history.

You don't grasp one simple thing, it is only Armenians who originate from Armenian Hihgland and it is only our heritage comes from there, invaders come and go,Empires built on bones and blood eventually disappear, that will be the case with so called Turkey as well and we can embrace our heritage openly.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 01:08 AM
You don't grasp one simple thing, it is only Armenians who originate from Armenian Hihgland

Anatolian Turks originate in Anatolia. Eastern Turks originate in your so called highland. Your aguement we're not native just comes that we speak a tongue not native to the region, but yours is not either. The original languages of our area died long time ago except by Georgian.



and it is only our heritage comes from there, invaders come and go,Empires built on bones and blood eventually disappear, that will be the case with so called Turkey as well and we can embrace our heritage openly.

Explain me how is this going to happen? Are you going to nuke us or something?

Nairi
01-21-2012, 01:22 AM
Anatolian Turks originate in Anatolia. Eastern Turks originate in your so called highland. Your aguement we're not native just comes that we speak a tongue not native to the region, but yours is not either. The original languages of our area died long time ago except by Georgian.



Explain me how is this going to happen? Are you going to nuke us or something?

Nuking, killing is your priority.
Genetically those who call themselves now "Anatolian Turks" are mostly Armenian but they also have Afrikan/Asian admixures, but most importantly they don't uphold Armenian heritage/culture which was their along with our language which is estimated older than 8.500 years old first, before any invasion.Also, not all Anatolian Turks are assimilated natives, many of them are kidnapped Armenians during Genocide, every single light skin/light hair/light eyed Armenian woman, girl and kid under 5 years were taken away from us and women and gilrs used to breed Msulim Turkish kids and underage kids to be raised up as Muslim Turks with extreme hatred towards Armenians. which we witness now.

Btw, what are your thoughts on 17 years old Turk killing Hrant Dink, journalist and owner of Armenian news agency "Agos" in Turkey who was put on trial accroding to Turkish article 301 (insulting Turkishness-i.e saying Genocie happened)), charged and eventually killed?
What do you think about that fact that killer shouted "I killed an infidel" afer shooting an honourable man to death? What do you think about jail guards taking a picture with killer in front of Turkish flag and praising him for killing an Armenian? what do you think on the fatc that 2 days ago Turkish court set free 19 out of 20charged on killings of Hrant Dink?
What do you think about the fact that Turkey changed geographical name Armenian Hihgland to Anatolia to take away our heritage from our pwn lands? On the fact that Turkey is deliberately destroying or renaming Armenian heritage to claim Armenians have never live there?

Óttar
01-21-2012, 01:32 AM
Yes, I support an independent Kurdistan. From what I hear though, the Kurds are lazy. I'd like to see there be a place the Yezidis could go to escape Muslim oppression.

I don't like the Iranian government. But it is only a matter of time the younger generations in Iran rid themselves of that Arab-wannabe government. Then they can embrace Western values.
That "Green Revolution" or whatever was just Ayatollah-Lite. The guy they supported just looks like another typical Shia towelhead boob to me.

There are a lot of pro-Zoroastrian and secular Persian nationalists in Iran, but not enough certainly.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 01:32 AM
Nuking, killing is your priority.
Genetically those who call themselves now "Anatolian Turks" are mostly Armenian but they also have Afrikan/Asian admixures

How can we be mostly Armenian if our biggest centers of population were quite far from any Armenian reach? :sick2::lol00002: Asian admixture is evident but African admixture in Turk is 0. But then again you also have Arab admixture far higher than us :lol00002: Southwest Asian component at 11% hahahaha



but most importantly they don't uphold Armenian heritage/culture which was their along with our language which is estimated older than 8.500 years old first, before any invasion

We don't need Armenian culture. Keep your Armenian culture to the little land the Russians defended for you.



Also, not all Anatolian Turks are assimilated natives, many of them are kidnapped Armenians during Genocide, every single light skin/light hair/light eyed Armenian woman, girl and kid under 5 years were taken away from us

Makes no sense. Armenians are on average darker than us. Balkan kids were kidnapped only to train Jannisers. Not Armenians as they're lame warriors.




and women and gilrs used to breed Msulim Turkish kids and underage kids to be raised up as Muslim Turks with extreme hatred towards Armenians. which we witness now.

Nah, average Turk can do better than an Armenian woman. :rolleyes2:



Btw, what are your thoughts on 17 years old Turk killing Hrant Dink, journalist and owner of Armenian news agency "Agos" in Turkey who was put on trial accroding to Turkish article 301 (insulting Turkishness-i.e saying Genocie happened)), charged and eventually killed?

We don't need guilty feelings there. it weakens the soul of nations. Look how white Americans are now with guilt feelings toward slavery or germans with guilt feelings toward holocaust. We need none of that.



What do you think about that fact that killer shouted "I killed an infidel" afer shooting an honourable man to death? What do you think about jail guards taking a picture with killer in front of Turkish flag and praising him for killing an Armenian? what do you think on the fatc that 2 days ago Turkish court set free 19 out of 20charged on killings of Hrant Dink?
What do you think about the fact that Turkey changed geographical name Armenian Hihgland to Anatolia to take away our heritage from our pwn lands? On the fact that Turkey is deliberately destroying or renaming Armenian heritage to claim Armenians have never live there?

What do you think about Armenians being so wimpy at fighting they lost 90% of the territory? What do you thinks about Armenians losing the battle and not accepting it to the day? What do you think about thanking Russians that you still have a small piece o land? What do you think about the fact Armenian rebels attacked Turkoman civilians first? What do you think that we don't give a fuck about your cries because we won our place in battle? What do you think about the fact that most of Turkey (and Anatolia) is not in the Turkish highland? What do you think about the fact we were superior in battle and courage than you and we could have this big territory? What do you think that we showed our warrior spirit and reversed the treate of Sevres that was unjustly put over us?

zack
01-21-2012, 01:35 AM
I don't believe so, that's a pipe dream. Iranians are extremists at heart, it's no wonder why Iran is one of the few Middle Eastern countries with a true Islamic law, even Armenia and Egypt are more Westernized/liberal than Iran. I wouldn't trust in them ever since they overthrew the Shah.

Can you blame them though? He was a US puppet :confused:

Óttar
01-21-2012, 01:40 AM
Can you blame them though? He was a US puppet :confused:
He was also coronated in the ancient capital of Persepolis as a successor to the ancient Persian kings. He encouraged Iranians to name their children after Persian historical figures. He wanted to build the Iranian economy. He was nothing but a boon to that country. So he imprisoned some political opponents, but what the Ayatollah and his ilk did was much worse. Honestly, I think all the moneyed Persian champagne socialists and limousine liberals that protested the Shah's rule deserved exactly what they got afterwards... Stabbed in the back and imprisoned by the very Islamic zealots they helped bring into power.

Fernando
01-21-2012, 01:41 AM
Can you blame them though? He was a US puppet :confused:

I certainly don't blame them (I would have done the same) but it seems that Iranians are generally hostile towards Americans. The hostage crisis was a very big deal to most people here. The Shah was also very anti-Islam and Iran would be much more modern and not fundamentalist had his reign continued.

Nairi
01-21-2012, 01:54 AM
I simply cannot finish reading Bozkurt, and it is obviously pointless to try to communicte with him,I will simply present some facts for others to see and judge...

Armenian boys recruited to fight for Islam
Janissaries (Yanichars)

It was Sultan Murad (Murat) I (1359-1389) during the latter part of the Fourteenth century who transformed the Turkish army from mere plunderers into a regimented military organization. To bolster his army's strength Murad initiated a program to recruit young boys from Armenian and Greek families and developed them into a well trained, highly disciplined and coordinated militia and called it Janissaries (new soldiers). Each Armenian family was required to give its brightest son to be enlisted as a Janissary for the services of the Sultan, similar to the conscription of the Memluks from the Caucasus centuries earlier. The Janissaries were brought up as Moslems imbued with an unquestioned loyalty to the Sultan and became members of a privileged military elite. As fighters by avocation they lived their lives with uncompromising devotion to the cause of Islam. In times of peace they kept order and guarded the imperial palaces. In times of war their ferocious brutality proved to be vital for the conduct of the war.

http://www.armenian-history.com/military/Janissaries_Armenian_boys_recruited_to_fight_for_I slam.htm

zack
01-21-2012, 01:55 AM
I certainly don't blame them (I would have done the same) but it seems that Iranians are generally hostile towards Americans. The hostage crisis was a very big deal to most people here. The Shah was also very anti-Islam and Iran would be much more modern and not fundamentalist had his reign continued.

Yeah but the trade off would have been their sovereignty...

Fernando
01-21-2012, 01:57 AM
Yeah but the trade off would have been their sovereignty...

True, but look at their country now. Women are oppressed, living under Islamic law, etc. I understand why they wouldn't want a puppet in charge however the alternative was much worse for them.

Osweo
01-21-2012, 01:58 AM
http://i2.tinypic.com/szef40.gif
Sevres would be a start. It's disgusting that Van isn't controlled by Armenians. And lop off a chunk of Iraq and Syria for the Kurds, so the shape of their new land isn't so stupid looking.

Nairi
01-21-2012, 02:05 AM
Fernando thanked full of BS post of Bozkurt against Armenians lol well, another Mexican...:coffee:

The full article called "An Unpopular History, White Slavery" is here

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38736

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MPvswO6lxOY/RxXM45FxGbI/AAAAAAAABdA/zX1HRMcth9Y/s400/Boutigny1.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/images.jpgds_.jpg

“Horrors of war”, Christian Armenian women enslaved by Turkish soldiers
Image: Paul Emile Boutigny, c. 1914

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 10:26 AM
I know that Turks have used Balkan, Circassian and Georgian children to train them into Janissaries and Mamluks but not Armenians. The latter were more of a peaceful minority that engaged in arts, commerce and etc.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:26 AM
Fernando thanked full of BS post of Bozkurt against Armenians lol well, another Mexican...:coffee:


He reminds me another Fernando who's name was starting by D :D

Turkos get over it, stealing is not owning ! :old

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:30 AM
He reminds me another Fernando who's name was starting by D :D

Turkos get over it, stealing is not owning ! :old

Yourselves "stole" (between marks because land belongs, in my opinion to people who gain and work it) lands that belonged to other peoples as well. You have in the past occupied Assyrian territories, Caucasian Albania, parts of Caucasian Iberia and which you lost because you couldn't keep/assimilate them.


Funny that you say "get over it". What do you mean with get over it? Give it back to you just because without throwing a bullet?! No way! In that case it's you who should get over it that you lost this a while ago!

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:30 AM
I know that Turks have used Balkan, Circassian and Georgian children to train them into Janissaries and Mamluks but not Armenians. The latter were more of a peaceful minority that engaged in arts, commerce and etc.

Unfortunately you're wrong :mad:

http://www.armenian-history.com/military/Janissaries_Armenian_boys_recruited_to_fight_for_I slam.htm

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 10:30 AM
As for Iran - I would not overestimate the numbers and influence of secular/zoroastrian people there. They are unfortunately a minority.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:33 AM
Yourselves "stole" (between marks because land belongs, in my opinion to people who gain and work it) lands that belonged to other peoples as well. You have in the past occupied Assyrian territories, Caucasian Albania, parts of Caucasian Iberia and which you lost because you couldn't keep/assimilate them.

:D Again
killing & stilling =/= working

Here's noting from your listed countries, those are the lands of Armanen ;)
Especially nothing from Assyrian territories :D
http://www.armeniapedia.org/images/thumb/b/be/Greaterarmenia.gif/320px-Greaterarmenia.gif

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:34 AM
:D Again
killing & stilling =/= working

Here's noting from your listed countries, those are the lands of Armanen ;)
Especially Assyrian territories :D
http://www.armeniapedia.org/images/thumb/b/be/Greaterarmenia.gif/320px-Greaterarmenia.gif

And what would you do with the millions of Kurds and Turks (and other minorities) living there? Would you be happy to accept them in Armenia? I'd like to know this.


Nevermind: I read what I highlighted again. Especially Assyrian territories? Why specially Assyrian territories as they are an earlier people than you? Assyrians presence is far longer than that of Armenians in such regions. So I assume you're using the same conquer = win logic as me.


Which leads me to think that you're just butthurt we won that 80% of territory from you.

Pallantides
01-21-2012, 10:35 AM
Nah, the Kurdish people have few redeeming qualities.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:37 AM
Many Kurds are happy living in Turkey, they are a bit more backwards but still pretty good people. One funny thing is that most supporters of "Kurdistan" are diaspora Kurds that live in Germany, Sweden, Denmark, etc...


They can't make a succesful nation, their own clan tribalism is more important to them than a expanded sense of nation.

Eva
01-21-2012, 10:39 AM
land belongs, in my opinion to people who gain and work it

Gain and work it? you call genocide gain and work? though, yes, perhaps for a Turk, it's something like going to work (killing, torturing, raping) and then coming back home satisfied and happy.

Every nation has criminals but it's amazing that for turks criminal psychology is a national mentality. That's why not only the turkish trained soldiers were being involved in genocides but the whole turkish population.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:40 AM
And what would you do with the millions of Kurds and Turks (and other minorities) living there? Would you be happy to accept them in Armenia? I'd like to know this.

Well what I have heard from Kurds, they will be 100000 times happier to be part of Armenia than your bloodthirsty government, where they are repressed every day, in other hand in Armenia minorities have no problem to have their schools, TV channels etc.

I'm 100% sure most of the people living in those territories are hidden Armenians.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:41 AM
Well what I have heard from Kurds, they will be 100000 times happier to be part of Armenia than your bloodthirsty government, where they are repressed every day, in other hand in Armenia minorities have no problem to have their schools, TV channels etc.

I'm 100% sure most of the people living in those territories are hidden Armenians.

What the hell man?? You really hate Turks a lot but you don't know a very good number of the military conflict you call "genocide" was inflicted by Kurdish militias? :eek::eek:

And what about the Turks living there? You did not adress that point. Most Kurds are royal to Turkey and would fight to shoot your armenian asses if you ever tried to invade that territory.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:42 AM
And what would you do with the millions of Kurds and Turks (and other minorities) living there? Would you be happy to accept them in Armenia? I'd like to know this.


Nevermind: I read what I highlighted again. Especially Assyrian territories? Why specially Assyrian territories as they are an earlier people than you? Assyrians presence is far longer than that of Armenians in such regions. So I assume you're using the same conquer = win logic as me.


Which leads me to think that you're just butthurt we won that 80% of territory from you.

Ignorant you know where Assyria was? :D
Everything will be back to us you can believe me ;) the azeri failure will become also turkish failure ;)

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:45 AM
What the hell man?? You really hate Turks a lot but you don't know a very good number of the military conflict you call "genocide" was inflicted by Kurdish militias? :eek::eek:

And what about the Turks living there? You did not adress that point. Most Kurds are royal to Turkey and would fight to shoot your armenian asses if you ever tried to invade that territory.

Of course they are loyal ;) Keep thinking that way, their patience is not limitless either :rolleyes2:

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:45 AM
Ignorant you know where Assyria was? :D
Everything will be back to us you can believe me ;) the azeri failure will become also turkish failure ;)

Azeris are more like Iranians than like Turks. Culturally different from us, they were never even part of the Ottoman empire and have always belonged to Persian direct sphere of influence. Armenians are even more similar culturally to us disregarding religion and language. And we will kick your ass again since we've done since 1054 A.C.

Eva
01-21-2012, 10:46 AM
I'm 100% sure most of the people living in those territories are hidden Armenians.

Many of them are already speaking openly about it. There was a program by a French channel, I cannot say the numbers of those people, but a great many are coming out as Armenians and demanding to be baptised as Christians.

Some two months ago when the earthquake in the Van region happened, many (forcefully islamisized) Armenians of turkey were being baptised as Christians in the Armenian church of Van, fortunately nothing happened to them and the church and they were baptised.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:47 AM
Azeris are more like Iranians than like Turks. We will kick your ass again since we've done since 1054 A.C.

You since 1054 ?

:rotfl

Man i knew that turkish identity is based on fairy tales
:rotfl

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:49 AM
Many of them are already speaking openly about it. There was a program by a French channel, I cannot say the numbers of those people, but a great many are coming out as Armenians and demanding to be baptised as Christians.

A month or two ago when the earthquake in the Van region happened, many Armenians of turkey were being baptised as Christians in the Armenian church of Van, fortunately nothing happened to them and the church and they were baptised.

If you cannot say numbers and you can just say "many and "demanding" then you might not say anything at all.


You since 1054 ?

:rotfl

Man i knew that turkish identity is based on fairy tales
:rotfl

Explain why and stop crying. I'm not kidding.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:52 AM
This thread is about Kurds, so please keep away from the thread your neurotic behavior, caused by your identity crisis. :)

Eva
01-21-2012, 10:53 AM
If you cannot say numbers and you can just say "many and "demanding" then you might not say anything at all.

Your sense of humour is killing me :D:D
they are hidden and it's difficult for anybody to count them

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 10:54 AM
Explain why and stop crying. I'm not kidding.

Because a "turk" is very recent artificial nationality, created by Young Turks ;)

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:55 AM
This thread is about Kurds, so please keep away from the thread your neurotic behavior, caused by your identity crisis. :)

I would not support a indepentend Kurdistan as I believe their identity is too clan based to decide their own fate as a nation. Most Kurds live pretty well in every of the nations they're minorities. In Iraq they have gained lots of power, in Turkey they're treated good and are loyal to the country, in Iran they're tolerated pretty well. I have no idea about Syria.

An independent Kurdistan would likely to be an unnefficent, corrupted, useless state that would likely collapse.


Because a "turk" is very recent artificial nationality, created by Young Turks ;)

"Hayastani" is a quite old but nonetheless meaningless aritificial identity created by a bunch of Semites that started speaking some Indo-European language.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 10:55 AM
Your sense of humour is killing me :D:D
they are hidden and it's difficult for anybody to count them

Sense of humor? What makes you think I'm joking?

orangepulp
01-21-2012, 10:58 AM
Nuking, killing is your priority.
Genetically those who call themselves now "Anatolian Turks" are mostly Armenian but they also have Afrikan/Asian admixures, but most importantly they don't uphold Armenian heritage/culture which was their along with our language which is estimated older than 8.500 years old first, before any invasion.Also, not all Anatolian Turks are assimilated natives, many of them are kidnapped Armenians during Genocide, every single light skin/light hair/light eyed Armenian woman, girl and kid under 5 years were taken away from us and women and gilrs used to breed Msulim Turkish kids and underage kids to be raised up as Muslim Turks with extreme hatred towards Armenians. which we witness now.

Btw, what are your thoughts on 17 years old Turk killing Hrant Dink, journalist and owner of Armenian news agency "Agos" in Turkey who was put on trial accroding to Turkish article 301 (insulting Turkishness-i.e saying Genocie happened)), charged and eventually killed?
What do you think about that fact that killer shouted "I killed an infidel" afer shooting an honourable man to death? What do you think about jail guards taking a picture with killer in front of Turkish flag and praising him for killing an Armenian? what do you think on the fatc that 2 days ago Turkish court set free 19 out of 20charged on killings of Hrant Dink?
What do you think about the fact that Turkey changed geographical name Armenian Hihgland to Anatolia to take away our heritage from our pwn lands? On the fact that Turkey is deliberately destroying or renaming Armenian heritage to claim Armenians have never live there?

Are you fucking kidding me light eyed/light haired Armenias LMAO. we know Armenians to be dark, hairy and have huge noses, don't give me one or two cherry picked examples.

Women in my grandmother village would cover themselves in animal shit not to be raped by Armenians. They even killed my great great great grandfathers family and the inhabitants of their village. An Armenian barren couple adopted him and when he got older told him the truth of his orgins and what they did. As soon as he found out about the truth, he left them and head back to Turkey to reestablish Ispir.


I'm not gonna believe the bull shit biased propoganda you are posting.


Turks are dominantly preTurkic and we are not that different from Armenians in the gentic sense, the only thing that differentiates us is our beliefs and minor Turkic admixture. People of Asia Minor became Muslim and because Islam is a religion that is against all sorts of nationalism, it was easier for the locals to intermingle with the Turks and adapt to their identity.

The ones who didn't accept Islam probably stayed as Armenians. In Ottoman history there were even Armenians in key positions such as 29 Armenian pashas, 22 ministers, 7 ambassadors, 11 general consuls, 11 university professors and 41 high ranking officials were noted.


The original Turks were strong and conquered Asia Minor, you are talking as if its the first time a land has been invaded and conquered. Im sorry buddy but you gotta accept the fact that the strong survive and the weak parish, this is the law of nature. Tough luck. You want Turkey you're gonna have to fight for it, I dare you to.

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 10:58 AM
Well what I have heard from Kurds, they will be 100000 times happier to be part of Armenia than your bloodthirsty government, where they are repressed every day, in other hand in Armenia minorities have no problem to have their schools, TV channels etc.

I'm 100% sure most of the people living in those territories are hidden Armenians.

No, they are not. This reminds me of Georgian nationalist fantasies about Lazs and Chveneburebi embracing their lost bros. The only "realistic" annexion scenario for Armenia is territory around Kars and mount Ararat. Lake Van is mostly Kurdish now and these people have nothing to do with Armenians. Besides they are backwards and untrustworthy (in general) so integrating them is a headache to say the least. Georgian Kurds are quite ok and well integrated though. Don't know about Armenia.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 11:00 AM
I would not support a indepentend Kurdistan as I believe their identity is too clan based to decide their own fate as a nation. Most Kurds live pretty well in every of the nations they're minorities. In Iraq they have gained lots of power, in Turkey they're treated good and are loyal to the country, in Iran they're tolerated pretty well. I have no idea about Syria.

An independent Kurdistan would likely to be an unnefficent, corrupted, useless state that would likely collapse.

"Hayastani" is a quite old but nonetheless meaningless aritificial identity created by a bunch of Semites that started speaking some Indo-European language.

It's not up to you to decide, if Central Asian Ottoman barbarians had their chance to create a State on the heritage of others, I think a very old nation like Kurds, have all the rights to have their own government on the lands where they lived thousands of years. :)

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 11:02 AM
No, they are not. This reminds of Georgian netionalist fantasies about Lazs and Chveneburebi embracing their lost bros. The only "realistic" annexion scenario for Armenia is territory around Kars and mount Ararat. Lake Van is mostly Kurdish now and these people have nothing to do with Armenians. Besides they are backwards and untrustworthy (in general) so integrating them is a headache to say the least. Georgian Kurds are quite ok and well integrated though. Don't know about Armenia.

You again ? :D I think you know better than kurds what they want, especiialy those ones with who I spoke :rofl:

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Are you fucking kidding me light eyed/light haired Armenias LMAO. we know Armenians to be dark, hairy and have huge noses, don't give me one or two cherry picked examples.

Women in my grandmother village would cover themselves in animal shit not to be raped by Armenians. They even killed my great great great grandfathers family and the inhabitants of their village. An Armenian barren couple adopted him and when he got older told him the truth of his orgins and what they did. As soon as he found out about the truth, he left them and head back to Turkey to reestablish Ispir.


I'm not gonna believe the bull shit biased propoganda you are posting.


Turks are dominantly preTurkic and we are not that different from Armenians in the gentic sense, the only thing that differentiates us is our beliefs and minor Turkic admixture. People of Asia Minor became Muslim and because Islam is a religion that is against all sorts of nationalism, it was easier for the locals to intermingle with the Turks and adapt to their identity.

The ones who didn't accept Islam probably stayed as Armenians. In Ottoman history there were even Armenians in key positions such as 29 Armenian pashas, 22 ministers, 7 ambassadors, 11 general consuls, 11 university professors and 41 high ranking officials were noted.


The original Turks were strong and conquered Asia Minor, you are talking as if its the first time a land has been invaded and conquered. Im sorry buddy but you gotta accept the fact that the strong survive and the weak parish, this is the law of nature. Tough luck. You want Turkey you're gonna have to fight for it, I dare you to.

Armenians are generally rats. It is not a secret. I have never denied that Turks conquered, killed, obliterated to the ground many peoples. They're the ones that like crying a lot about their fake genocide and how they have been stolen and deprived of their rights as if they were completely innocent. I am sorry for what happened g-g-g-grandfather. Lamentably that kind of behavior is very common in that backwards people.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 11:05 AM
It's not up to you to decide, if Central Asian Ottoman barbarians had their chance to create a State on the heritage of others, I think a very old nation like Kurds, have all the rights to have their own government on the lands where they lived thousands of years. :)

We have proved our chance. Kurds never have. So because we were nomadic barbarians in the past means we can't be succesful now? Germanics, Slavs, Celts, Finns were barbarians at some point and they established succesful states.

The point is that Kurds are even semi-barbarian still to this day

Peasant
01-21-2012, 11:05 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6L8PV4VPIFQ/TdIjYFQdP3I/AAAAAAAAAa8/PSOC3_XKX3M/s1600/greater-syria.png

Nope.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 11:07 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6L8PV4VPIFQ/TdIjYFQdP3I/AAAAAAAAAa8/PSOC3_XKX3M/s1600/greater-syria.png

Nope.

Armenians will cry at your map using the arguement that a part of Syria used to belong to the "Armenian Highland" in some old remote moment of time.

orangepulp
01-21-2012, 11:11 AM
Armenians are generally rats. It is not a secret. I have never denied that Turks conquered, killed, obliterated to the ground many peoples. They're the ones that like crying a lot about their fake genocide and how they have been stolen and deprived of their rights as if they were completely innocent. I am sorry for what happened g-g-g-grandfather. Lamentably that kind of behavior is very common in that backwards people.

I never denied killings haven't happened either. Towards the beginning of the 19th century after the Ottoman Empire has weakened, her enemies provoked other ethnic groups within the nation to arise against them resulting to a civil war. Casualties were both sided.

The Journeyman
01-21-2012, 11:16 AM
http://www.kurdistankarte.com/images/kurdistan-karte-maps.jpg

...

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 11:20 AM
http://www.kurdistankarte.com/images/kurdistan-karte-maps.jpg

...

How about this you big boy?

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/img/ottoman-empire-1580.gif

Nairi
01-21-2012, 11:21 AM
With every comments where Turks deny the genocide and even go so far as to blame the victims they show more why Armenians demand recognition of genocide. No nation which committed atrocities against others is behaving like Turks, it is not only about lands and people they have killed and taken, it is about them stealing our heritage and attributing it to themselves...

Armenians should stop communicating with them at all, I never engage with them in any conversation on YouTube, it is absolutely pointless,their propaganda machine is pumping lies non stop but no person believes them anyway, they waste their money in vain, the world knows the truth they committed genocdie on many nations.

I moslty don't read them

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 11:26 AM
With every comments where Turks deny the genocide and even go so far as to blame the victims they show more why Armenians demand recognition of genocide. No nation which committed atrocities against others is behaving like Turks, it is not only about lands and people they have killed and taken, it is about them stealing our heritage and attributing it to themselves...

We killed a bunch of Armenians. You killed a bunch of Turks. You say a genocide happening, but only an Armenian one. I saw no genocide at all happened as it was just interethnic war. See the difference? I find pathethic you use the death of your own people as a medium to get to your territorial interests. You should have fought better!



Armenians should stop communicating with them at all, I never engage with them in any conversation on YouTube, it is absolutely pointless,their propaganda machine is pumping lies non stop but no person believes them anyway, they waste their money in vain, the world knows the truth they committed genocdie on many nations.

I don't usually communicate to Armenians and more backward middle easterns but I have the misfortune you post in the same forum as I do :(




I moslty don't read them

I do read (and reply) to your posts mostly for laughs as you're incapable of good discussion

Nairi
01-21-2012, 11:49 AM
As I have said it was a Turkish state policy during the genocide to take every single light skin/light eyed/light haired Armenian to change their genetics. All such Armenian women, girls, and kids under five were taken. Women and girls for breeding kids for them and kids uner 5 couldn't remember their parents, all kids after five were killed.
So, only darker skin Armenian women survived which means that all next generations come from only darker Armenians. Take all light ones from any nation and then you will have the same result as Armenians nowdays. And you also (like us now) will go through the revival process. Our genes didn't die and dark Armenian woman gave birth to blue eyed blond kid because the kid took after his killed grandparents., because those genes are in our nations for which we also were targetted. Btw, Armenian kids and women were taken also by Kurds and Arabs, but not as many as by Turks. But with every new generation we get more light kids, currently our toddlers are almost half,even not more light,shiny white skin/ light eyes.

All this infofrmation about kiddnaped people you can find on oficial genocide website. Many Europeans were involved after the genocie in Eastern relief in rescuing Armenian girls, in some cases those brave Europeans were killed, in others they rescued and even adopted Armenian kids, I will make separate posts about them.


We have a saying in Armenian "Turks have Christian blood on their hands and in their veins" ( mostly meaning Armenian in both cases)

All last 700 years of our history is our beautiful, white, light haired, light eyed kids being taken by the Ottoman Turks to be raised up as Muslim Turks.
Aside of killing many Armenian women and kids during the Genocide they also kidnapped many of them and Turkified Armenian orphans.

Some pictures survived...

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/000.jpg

All men and older kids killed, women and smal kids taken away, Turkified and Islamized...

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/43.jpg

Turkified Amenian orphans in Aintoura orphanage (seated in the centre is Halide Edip), 1917
"The memoirs of Naim bey" by Aram Andonian, 1920, p. 9

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/44.jpg

Djemal Pasha reviewing Turkified Armenian orphans at Damascus, 1917
"The memoirs of Naim bey" by Aram Andonian, 1964, p. 24

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/44a.jpg

Turkified Armenian orphans in the Turkish orphanage of Aintoura
Collection of Misak Keleshian

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/45.jpg

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/58.jpg

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/51.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/The_Armenian_Genocide_%282006_film_poster%29.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/ArmeniansOnDeportationMarch.jpg/432px-ArmeniansOnDeportationMarch.jpg

As you see most of white "Turks" are not even assimilated natives but recently taken from us Armenians raised as Msulim Turks in extreeme hatred towards Armenians and all Christian europeans in general...

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 11:56 AM
As I have said it was a Turkish state policy during the genocide to take every single light skin/light eyed/light haired Armenian to change their genetics. All such Armenian women, girls, and kids under five were taken. Women and girls for breeding kids for them and kids uner 5 couldn't remember their parents, all kids after five were killed.
So, only darker skin Armenian women survived which means that all next generations come from only darker Armenians. Take all light ones from any nation and then you will have the same result as Armenians nowdays. And you also (like us now) will go through the revival process. Our genes didn't die and dark Armenian woman gave birth to blue eyed blond kid because the kid took after his killed grandparents., because those genes are in our nations for which we also were targetted. Btw, Armenian kids and women were taken also by Kurds and Arabs, but not as many as by Turks. But with every new generation we get more light kids, currently our toddlers are almost half,even not more light,shiny white skin/ light eyes.

All this infofrmation about kiddnaped people you can find on oficial genocide website. Many Europeans were involved after the genocie in Eastern relief in rescuing Armenian girls, in some cases those brave Europeans were killed, in others they rescued and even adopted Armenian kids, I will make separate posts about them.


We have a saying in Armenian "Turks have Christian blood on their hands and in their veins" ( mostly meaning Armenian in both cases)

All last 700 years of our history is our beautiful, white, light haired, light eyed kids being taken by the Ottoman Turks to be raised up as Muslim Turks.
Aside of killing many Armenian women and kids during the Genocide they also kidnapped many of them and Turkified Armenian orphans.

Some pictures survived...

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/000.jpg

All men and older kids killed, women and smal kids taken away, Turkified and Islamized...

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/43.jpg

Turkified Amenian orphans in Aintoura orphanage (seated in the centre is Halide Edip), 1917
"The memoirs of Naim bey" by Aram Andonian, 1920, p. 9

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/44.jpg

Djemal Pasha reviewing Turkified Armenian orphans at Damascus, 1917
"The memoirs of Naim bey" by Aram Andonian, 1964, p. 24

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/44a.jpg

Turkified Armenian orphans in the Turkish orphanage of Aintoura
Collection of Misak Keleshian

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/45.jpg

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/58.jpg

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/children/51.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/30/The_Armenian_Genocide_%282006_film_poster%29.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/ArmeniansOnDeportationMarch.jpg/432px-ArmeniansOnDeportationMarch.jpg

As you see most of white "Turks" are not even assimilated natives but recently taken from us Armenians raised as Msulim Turks in extreeme hatred towards Armenians and all Christian europeans in general...

Go to say those games elsewhere. Discussing with me is not a playground. You should be ashamed of even making that comments I highlighted, after all they only humilliate your people and expose your obssessions :lol00002:

I find it funny how you were rambling about white people and blue eyes and blond hair and then you posted a bunch of people that look like a mix between Lebaneses and Gypsies with black hair :lol00002:

Is this almost South Indian looking woman an example of these blue eyes, light Armenians? You have to be kidding:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/ArmeniansOnDeportationMarch.jpg/432px-ArmeniansOnDeportationMarch.jpg

Nairi
01-21-2012, 12:07 PM
PmnODOWJUiM

Pure blood Armenian kids, these type was the first target for kidnapping for Turks...

Viedos are made against propaganda...
Armenian nation after the genoicide was not left with a single kid like this...

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Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 12:25 PM
This is not a Genocide Thread, pleas stay in the topic ! :coffee:

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 12:31 PM
"Hayastani" is a quite old but nonetheless meaningless aritificial identity created by a bunch of Semites that started speaking some Indo-European language.

Especially me, I'm a good example of IE speaking sand-nigger ;)
I see how intellectual is the education in your country!!!! :D

Free Kurdistan !!! :wink

hajduk
01-21-2012, 12:33 PM
Free Kurdistan! BULGARIA AND KURDISTAN COMMON BORDER!!!

Redar14
01-21-2012, 01:03 PM
http://outofcentralasianow.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/map_kurdistan.jpg

I think that today's Iraqi part of Kurdistan have a chance to be independent. Personally I don't like a Kurds and I don't support them.

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 02:41 PM
You again ? :D I think you know better than kurds what they want, especiialy those ones with who I spoke :rofl:

I know what are Kurds like in general. This is quite enough, frankly. Yesterday they use Turks to get rid of Armenians today they use Armenians to drive away Turks.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 02:56 PM
I know what are Kurds like in general. This is quite enough, frankly. Yesterday they use Turks to get rid of Armenians today they use Armenians to drive away Turks.

So Young Turks were controlled by Kurds? :tsk:

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 02:58 PM
So Young Turks were controlled by Kurds? :tsk:

Kurds were eager and willing to massacre Armenians. Certainly political decision came from Turkish nationalists but local Kurds were quite enthusiastic about it. Now they want to use Armenians to weaken Turks. Tomorrow they'll side with Arabs and etc.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 03:13 PM
Kurds were eager and willing to massacre Armenians. Certainly political decision came from Turkish nationalists but local Kurds were quite enthusiastic about it. Now they want to use Armenians to weaken Turks. Tomorrow they'll side with Arabs and etc.

Well I have my personal opinion on this matter based on some facts, and I think Kurds & also "turks" were not the organizers of ethnic cleaning of Armenians & Greeks.
Many Kurdish & Circassian criminals were payed to do this dirty job, but I'll not blaime them , especially today with the repression of the Turkish goverenement they are very consient what they did to others.
Kurds Always lived near of Zagros mountains, ie Northern Irak & North Western Iran, it's Young Turks who populated W. Armenian lands by Kurds for their future actions.

Anyway, I think if there's an old Ethnic group he must have a State. :)

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 03:20 PM
Well I have my personal opinion on this matter based on some facts, and I think Kurds & also "turks" were not the organizers of ethnic cleaning of Armenians & Greeks.
Many Kurdish & Circassian criminals were payed to do this dirty job, but I'll not blaime them , especially today with the repression of the Turkish goverenement they are very consient what they did to others.
Kurds Always lived near of Zagros mountains, ie Northern Irak & North Western Iran, it's Young Turks who populated W. Armenian lands by Kurds for their future actions.

Anyway, I think if there's an old Ethnic group he must have a State. :)

And what if they are not really able to manage a state of their own? They remind me of Chechens to a certain extent and we know that the short-lived "Ichkeria" was a pain in the ass to its neighbours.

Supreme American
01-21-2012, 03:21 PM
I'm not sure why I should care.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 03:41 PM
And what if they are not really able to manage a state of their own? They remind of Chechens to a certain extent and we know that the short-lived "Ichkeria" was a pain in the ass to its neighbours.

Well it'll depend from their natural instincts to work together. :) Nobody can guess what will happen.

Redar14
01-21-2012, 03:44 PM
Nowadays Kurds from Turkey haven't any chances to be independent.

StonyArabia
01-21-2012, 04:52 PM
I know that Turks have used Balkan, Circassian and Georgian children to train them into Janissaries and Mamluks but not Armenians. The latter were more of a peaceful minority that engaged in arts, commerce and etc.

That's true, but Circassians were often training Crimean Tatars and Nogai children to be warriors. At the sametime many of the consorts of the Khans and Sultans were Circassian by blood. Another important aspect is that the Circassians often formed somewhat the backbone of the Ottoman military especially when they warred against the Persians.

Transhumanist
01-21-2012, 06:23 PM
Kurds Always lived near of Zagros mountains, ie Northern Irak & North Western Iran, it's Young Turks who populated W. Armenian lands by Kurds for their future actions.

Anyway, I think if there's an old Ethnic group he must have a State. :)

Ar-Man. In my opinion, the principal element of Kurdish ancestry is derived from the peoples of western Iran. Not the Armenian Highlands. And not N Iraq.

See:Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds (http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/prolegomena-to-the-study-of-the-kurds.pdf)
Iran and the Caucasus 13 (2009) 1-58
Garnik Asatrian*
Yerevan State University

Do I believe they should have an (absolutely) independent nation? Yes. And, I believe parts of N Iraq would be the most practical place for any such "Kurdistan."

*
(Yerevan, Armenia)
Professor Dr. GARNIK ASATRIAN (http://www.arya.am/?action%5Bpage%5D=our_people&lang=en)

Chair, Department of Iranian Studies, Yerevan State University; Director, Caucasian Centre for Iranian Studies; Editor-in-Chief,“Iran and the Caucasus” (Brill Academic Publishers, Leiden, the Netherlands); the President of Arya International University,Yerevan. Expert in Pre-Islamic Iranian languages and Culture, Iranian historical dialectology, Ethnography, Kurdology, and Iranian etymology in general.

Trun
01-21-2012, 06:59 PM
Kurdistan should be free.

Osweo
01-21-2012, 07:00 PM
Chveneburebi
Ooooooooh! A new ethnonym to me! Who are these lads? Where do they live? Among the Laz?


The only "realistic" annexion scenario for Armenia is territory around Kars and mount Ararat. Lake Van is mostly Kurdish now and these people have nothing to do with Armenians.
There is a lot of sense here. But leaving VAN of all places out of this righting of wrongs would be galling. It was unthinkable ever to allow Van to have been taken from the Armenians in the first place, and if it WERE possible to get Kars and Ararat back, surely the same international environment would allow at least part of the Van shore into the same deal? :(

By the way, we never hear of Urmia in these discussions. ARE there any Armenians left around there in Iran? Seems that the Armenian heartland was always the region of the THREE lakes up there in the highland. Cilicia, Caesaria and Trebizond are another matter, but the core is indisputable.


http://outofcentralasianow.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/map_kurdistan.jpg

I think that today's Iraqi part of Kurdistan have a chance to be independent. Personally I don't like a Kurds and I don't support them.
I don't like em much either, from what I've heard of them, but it's nice to establish a principle in these matters.

Nice map; can I ask what the reddish bits are? One stretches from Arbil to Kirkuk.

Do I believe they should have an (absolutely) independent nation? Yes. And, I believe parts of N Iraq would be the most practical place for any such "Kurdistan."
Having a tiny bit independent is more aggravating to the remainder of a people than having no homeland at all! :p

By the way, are there any nice maps knocking around with revisionist borders that try to find something for Armenians, Georgians, Kurds AND Assyrians? It's nice to dream...

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 07:14 PM
Ooooooooh! A new ethnonym to me! Who are these lads? Where do they live? Among the Laz?

There is a lot of sense here. But leaving VAN of all places out of this righting of wrongs would be galling. It was unthinkable ever to allow Van to have been taken from the Armenians in the first place, and if it WERE possible to get Kars and Ararat back, surely the same international environment would allow at least part of the Van shore into the same deal? :(

By the way, we never hear of Urmia in these discussions. ARE there any Armenians left around there in Iran? Seems that the Armenian heartland was always the region of the THREE lakes up there in the highland. Cilicia, Caesaria and Trebizond are another matter, but the core is indisputable.


I don't like em much either, from what I've heard of them, but it's nice to establish a principle in these matters.

Nice map; can I ask what the reddish bits are? One stretches from Arbil to Kirkuk.

Having a tiny bit independent is more aggravating to the remainder of a people than having no homeland at all! :p

By the way, are there any nice maps knocking around with revisionist borders that try to find something for Armenians, Georgians, Kurds AND Assyrians? It's nice to dream...


Chveneburebi means something like "our folks" in Georgian. It can be applied in many contexts but when speaking about Turkey and lost Georgian lands means ethnic Georgians that live there and the ones that have been islamized and migrated there from the other parts of Georgia.

Bayar Shahin-Gundaridze - ethnic Georgian from Turkey

http://www.bayartour.com/tour/images/stories/kopyas%20bayar_sakartvelo_001.jpg

Kazim Koyuncu - ethnic Laz (passed away not long ago)

http://www.itusozluk.com/image/kazim-koyuncu_42356.jpg

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 07:18 PM
Especially me, I'm a good example of IE speaking sand-nigger ;)
I see how intellectual is the education in your country!!!! :D

Free Kurdistan !!! :wink

This is easy: IE speaking sand niggers:
http://forum.hayastan.com/gallery/1140445237/med_gallery_241_31_5182.jpg

And of course, Free Kurdistan, but in Iran, or Armenia.

The Lawspeaker
01-21-2012, 07:48 PM
I am all for an independent Kurdistan if those areas that belonged to the Armenians are handed back to them. Furthermore I believe that Turkey, as an entity, should be neutralized. That means that not only complete disarmament (of the Turkish army and the Turkish nation) but also full-scaled military occupation of Turkey by Europe - probably in conjunction with the Armenians and Georgians and the Russians and it's division into military sectors (much like what happened in Germany after 1945)

Turkey will be stripped of the following areas: Kurdistan, those areas that were Armenian, Asia Minor (handed over to Greece without much ceremony after the Turks have been kicked back into Anatolia), Cyprus (all those that arrived during and after 1974 will be forcibly repatriated. The island should be placed under international management until a further settlement can be achieved). The Bosporus and Istanbul should be placed under international control (much like Berlin) and divided into sectors.

The country should be forced to take in all the Turks that have left the country as well as Turkish colonist minorities in the Balkans. The bill for the repatriation will be send to the Turks.

Turkey should be forced to pay for the military occupation as well as pay damages to Armenia, Greece, Cyprus and should also be forced to recognize and apologize for the genocides on the Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide), Greek Cypriots, Kurds (http://www.gendercide.org/genocideinkurdistan.html) and Armenians. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide) And be forced to pay compensations.

Turkey will never be allowed to have a real army again.

It should once and for all come to an end.

Osweo
01-21-2012, 07:51 PM
Chveneburebi means something like "our folks" in Georgian.

Ah, Yedinorodtsy or Soplemyenniki! :thumb001:

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 07:52 PM
I am all for an independent Kurdistan if those areas that belonged to the Armenians are handed back to them. Furthermore I believe that Turkey, as an entity, should be neutralized. That means that not only complete disarmament (of the Turkish army and the Turkish nation) but also full-scaled military occupation of Turkey by Europe - probably in conjunction with the Armenians and Georgians and the Russians and it's division into military sectors (much like what happened in Germany after 1945)

We made "European occupation" unsuccesful after the treaty of Sevres was demolished. No need for this kind of speculation and I'm sure everyone would rather have us than a full country of Kurds.



Turkey will be stripped of the following areas: Kurdistan, those areas that were Armenian, Asia Minor, Cyprus (all that that arrived during and after 1974 will be forcibly repatriated). The Bosporus and Istanbul should be placed under international control (much like Berlin) and divided into sectors.

No, it won't. We're good with the current territory we have and it's all good for it.



The country should be forced to take in all the Turks that have left the country as well as Turkish colonist minorities in the Balkans. The bill for the repatriation will be send to the Turks.

I'm for receiving all the Balkan Turks. Only if you let us ship Kurds to Pakistan.




Turkey should be forced to pay for the military occupation as well as pay damages to Armenia, Greece, Cyprus and should also be forced to recognize and apologize for the genocides on the Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide), Greek Cypriots, Kurds (http://www.gendercide.org/genocideinkurdistan.html) and Armenians. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide) And be forced to pay compensations.

We will be forced to pay once you're forced to pay for South Africa occupation to the Hottentots and imposing apartheids and other nazi stuff.

The Lawspeaker
01-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Turkey simply is the Nazi Germany that escaped our attention.

Bozkurt_Karabash
01-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Turkey simply is the Nazi Germany that escaped our attention.

Germans digged their own grave in this aspect, recognizing holocaust and getting guilt about this.

StonyArabia
01-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Only when people will support an independent Circassia and force Russia to pay compensation and recognize the exile of the native Circassian people on May 21,1864, which will not happen soon. So nothing will happen to Turkey. Though if Kurdistan will become independent it might inspire more and more of the Adyghes in Russia to finally claim independence and leave the Russian federation, so this in the only way and form I support Kurdistan but in general I don't for reasons that are to complex.

Hurrem sultana
01-21-2012, 08:01 PM
no if every minority that wanted autonomy got it where would we be today...so no,i have nothing against the Kurds but is not necessary

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 08:02 PM
Ah, Yedinorodtsy or Soplemyenniki! :thumb001:

You're Russian or you just speak the language? :)

P.S. sorry for the off-top.

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm for receiving all the Balkan Turks. Only if you let us ship Kurds to Pakistan.


Firstly they have nothing to do in Pakistan, & secondly it's the founders of your government who populated this territories by Kurds, so there's nobody else to blame !

hajduk
01-21-2012, 08:13 PM
I'm for receiving all the Balkan Turks. Only if you let us ship Kurds to Pakistan.
Soon they will leave

Osweo
01-21-2012, 10:59 PM
You're Russian or you just speak the language? :)
Այ'մ Ինգլիշ, Բուտ կան սպիկ Ռուսկի... :spy:



P.S. sorry for the off-top.
Դա լավ է, ընկեր. :D

Ar-Man
01-21-2012, 11:03 PM
Այ'մ Ինգլիշ, Բուտ կան սպիկ Ռուսկի... :spy:
Դա լավ է, ընկեր. :D

:rotfl :clap:

Padre Organtino
01-21-2012, 11:04 PM
Osweo is John Le Carre using pics of Peter Jackson to fool people on this forum!:D

Nairi
01-22-2012, 01:02 AM
Turkey should be forced to pay for the military occupation as well as pay damages to Armenia, Greece, Cyprus

Also Bulgaria.And Assyrians,and Ezidis.

...

Bojidar Dimitrov, Bulgaria's Minister in charge of the Agency for Bulgarians Abroad, stirred a hornet's nest at the start of the new year by threatening to block Turkey's accession to the European Union (EU), unless it paid billions of dollars in compensation for Bulgarians who were forcefully displaced during the Ottoman era.

Dimitrov said Turkey owed Bulgaria $20 billion for expelling hundreds of thousands of ethnic Bulgarians in 1913. The Republic of Turkey, which was founded in 1923, had assumed the obligations of the Ottoman Empire and agreed to make reparations in a 1925 treaty. However, thus far, Bulgaria has received no compensation from the Turkish government.

"Turkey is surely able to pay this sum, after all, it's the 16th largest economic power in the world," Dimitrov said, capitalizing on a statement that Turkish officials often make, bragging about their country's economic strength!

Dimitrov disclosed that the payment of compensation as required by the 1925 treaty is one of Bulgaria's three pre-conditions in order not to veto Turkey's admission to the EU. The other two pre-conditions involve energy and water management issues.

Veselin Ninov, a Bulgarian government spokesman, confirmed to the EUobserver on January 4, that Dimitrov's announcement represented official state policy. He revealed that the dispute was being handled by a "Bulgarian-Turkish intergovernmental working group" and that Prime Minister Boyko Borissov would raise the compensation issue during his upcoming visit to Turkey.
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and should also be forced to recognize and apologize for the genocides on the Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide), Greek Cypriots, Kurds (http://www.gendercide.org/genocideinkurdistan.html) and Armenians. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide) And be forced to pay compensations.


Also Assyrian and Ezidi Genocides.

Osweo
01-22-2012, 01:37 AM
Padre sent me an interesting link of an Armenian's account of his visit to the lost lands. The author makes it clear that Kars must return to Armenia, but I was particularly struck by his different attitude to Van;
http://armcatholic.livejournal.com/62758.html#comments

А вот о Ване надо сказать отдельно и подробно.

Ван — это уже Курдистан. Дорогие Арцруни, Бзнуни, и мои родные Хорхоруни, не думайте больше про Ван. Покупайте землю в Сюнике, Гегаркунике, Лори, Арцахе, возделывайте её, наслаждайтесь её видами и величием... Ван отчуждён от нас основательно, скорее всего он станет столицей независимого Курдистана, и нам уже сейчас нужно выстраивать с ним отношения. Это даже хорошо, что появится новое буферное государство рядом с нами и турками. Ван, Татван, Хлат, Битлис, Дерсим — всё это Курдистан. Нужно свыкнуться с этой мыслью. Пусть турки и курды дерутся на костях наших предков хоть до почернения. Азербайджан от Турции станет дальше, пантюркизм — всё призрачней, а значит мы будем жить. А там посмотрим...

But on Van I must speak separately and in detail.

Van is already Kurdistan. Dear Artsruni, Bznuni, and my own Khorkhoruni (descendants of inhabitants of local villages, I suppose???), think no longer about Van. Buy land in Syunik, Gegarunik, Lori, Artsakh, work it, enjoy its views and grandness... Van has been fundamentally estranged from us, is likely to become the capital of an independent Kurdistan, and we must now build our relations with it. This is even a good thing, a new buffer state between us and the Turks. Van, Tatvan, Khlat, Bitlis, Dersim - all these are now Kurdistan. We must get used to this idea. Let the Turks and Kurds fight over the bones of our ancestors till they're blue in the face. Azerbaijan and Turkey will be pushed further apart, Pan-Turkism will become yet more a fantasy, and so we will survive. And then we will see...

------- Perhaps sensible, but sad. :pout:

А там посмотрим... ;)

Nairi
01-22-2012, 01:44 AM
Padre sent me an interesting link of an Armenian's account of his visit to the lost lands. The author makes it clear that Kars must return to Armenia, but I was particularly struck by his different attitude to Van;
http://armcatholic.livejournal.com/62758.html#comments

А вот о Ване надо сказать отдельно и подробно.

Ван — это уже Курдистан. Дорогие Арцруни, Бзнуни, и мои родные Хорхоруни, не думайте больше про Ван. Покупайте землю в Сюнике, Гегаркунике, Лори, Арцахе, возделывайте её, наслаждайтесь её видами и величием... Ван отчуждён от нас основательно, скорее всего он станет столицей независимого Курдистана, и нам уже сейчас нужно выстраивать с ним отношения. Это даже хорошо, что появится новое буферное государство рядом с нами и турками. Ван, Татван, Хлат, Битлис, Дерсим — всё это Курдистан. Нужно свыкнуться с этой мыслью. Пусть турки и курды дерутся на костях наших предков хоть до почернения. Азербайджан от Турции станет дальше, пантюркизм — всё призрачней, а значит мы будем жить. А там посмотрим...

But on Van I must speak separately and in detail.

Van is already Kurdistan. Dear Artsruni, Bznuni, and my own Khorkhoruni (descendants of inhabitants of local villages, I suppose???), think no longer about Van. Buy land in Syunik, Gegarunik, Lori, Artsakh, work it, enjoy its views and grandness... Van has been fundamentally estranged from us, is likely to become the capital of an independent Kurdistan, and we must now build our relations with it. This is even a good thing, a new buffer state between us and the Turks. Van, Tatvan, Khlat, Bitlis, Dersim - all these are now Kurdistan. We must get used to this idea. Let the Turks and Kurds fight over the bones of our ancestors till they're blue in the face. Azerbaijan and Turkey will be pushed further apart, Pan-Turkism will become yet more a fantasy, and so we will survive. And then we will see...

------- Perhaps sensible, but sad. :pout:

А там посмотрим... ;)

Oh, so Padre and myself are reading the same guy :D
ArmCatholic himself is an Armenian from Georgia, and yes, he is Catholic.
In one of his posts he talks about Boers settling in Georgia (Republic of Georgia) and a Boer he met was married to an Armenian woman...lol
Reminds me of someone I know personally ....:D

Impressive translation, btw...

Ar-Man
01-22-2012, 01:53 AM
Van is already Kurdistan. Dear Artsruni, Bznuni, and my own Khorkhoruni (descendants of inhabitants of local villages, I suppose???), think no longer about Van. Buy land in Syunik, Gegarunik, Lori, Artsakh, work it, enjoy its views and grandness... Van has been fundamentally estranged from us, is likely to become the capital of an independent Kurdistan, and we must now build our relations with it. This is even a good thing, a new buffer state between us and the Turks. Van, Tatvan, Khlat, Bitlis, Dersim - all these are now Kurdistan. We must get used to this idea. Let the Turks and Kurds fight over the bones of our ancestors till they're blue in the face. Azerbaijan and Turkey will be pushed further apart, Pan-Turkism will become yet more a fantasy, and so we will survive. And then we will see...

------- Perhaps sensible, but sad. :pout:

А там посмотрим... ;)

:mad: Hell no, my maternal ancestors came from the Khnus Region, it's a little bit northern from Van but stills very close, & it's our mythological sea from where the Sun-God come out each morning, so there's no question to leave that Lake to anybody else.



Oh, so Padre and myself are reading the same guy :D
ArmCatholic himself is an Armenian from Georgia, and yes, he is Catholic.
In one of his posts he talks about Boers settling in Georgia (Republic of Georgia) and a Boer he met was married to an Armenian woman...lol
Reminds me of someone I know personally ....:D

Impressive translation, btw...

looooooooooooooooooool :D

BTW my maternal ancestors are also "franks" :D that's how we call Catholic Armenians, Basically that means that they are from Cilician Armenia ;)

Leliana
01-22-2012, 02:03 AM
Turkey simply is the Nazi Germany that escaped our attention.
Don't compare us with that backward civilization. :rolleyes2: Nazi Germany was not a friendly place for lots of other people but our level of civilization was high and among the most developed countries of the world. Compare that to Turkey and you'll see that your equation is awry.

http://www.planet-wissen.de/politik_geschichte/voelker/kurden/img/kurden_anatolien_imago_g.jpg

Nairi
01-22-2012, 02:25 AM
:mad: Hell no, my maternal ancestors came from the Khnus Region, it's a little bit northern from Van but stills very close, & it's our mythological sea from where the Sun-God come out each morning, so there's no question to leave that Lake to anybody else.




looooooooooooooooooool :D

BTW my maternal ancestors are also "franks" :D that's how we call Catholic Armenians, Basically that means that they are from Cilician Armenia ;)

My paternal side is from Rshtuni, next to Van and maternal side is from Nakhichevan, occupied by Azerbaijan now. Nakhichevan in Armenian means "Noah landed/stayed here", Van means "setllement", "place", "town", "here" in Armenian, and I was born in Yerevan (capital city of Republic of Armenia). So basically I am left without heritage of my ancestors.

poiuytrewq0987
01-22-2012, 02:34 AM
Don't compare us with that backward civilization. :rolleyes2: Nazi Germany was not a friendly place for lots of other people but our level of civilization was high and among the most developed countries of the world. Compare that to Turkey and you'll see that your equation is awry.

http://www.planet-wissen.de/politik_geschichte/voelker/kurden/img/kurden_anatolien_imago_g.jpg


How is comparing Germany to rural parts of Turkey fair?

Istanbul, Turkey's largest city:

http://myweb.sabanciuniv.edu/dgozuacik/files/2010/10/kanyon-shopping-mall.jpg

http://www.goistanbulhotels.com/images/1.jpg

Ataturk's mausoleum:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Ankara_4372.jpg

Turkey is farther ahead than most countries in Eastern Europe. Sad but true.

Loki
01-22-2012, 01:13 PM
Armenians are generally rats.

I don't want you to make any such comments again on this site. Thanks in advance.

I don't believe you're a bad person, but you need to show a little more respect - even if you don't like a particular ethnic group.

Leliana
01-23-2012, 02:59 PM
How is comparing Germany to rural parts of Turkey fair?

Istanbul, Turkey's largest city:
Istanbul is still nothing else than a stolen and annexed town named Konstantinopel and it was a developed place long before the Turks grabbed it. They did nothing to make this city something special, most sights were erected in the pre-Ottoman era. That city is heavily westernized and not comparable to the rest of Turkey. It's ridiculous to use Istanbul as an example for the 'development' of Turks because 99%, the rest of the country, is backward.

Afghanistan? Iraq? No, other Turkish cities. :rolleyes2:

Erzurum:

http://www.yeniresim.com/data/media/213/www.yeniresim.com_-_Trkiye_Resimleri_-_Erzurum_Resimleri.jpg

Diyarbakir:

http://www.yapi.com.tr/V_Images/2012/haberler/90328_diyarbekir_surlari.jpg

Gaziantep:

http://www.antoninaturizm.com/images/tur_resimleri/program/guneydogu_2010_gaziantep.jpg

Ankara:

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/79096/ankara_24.3.2011.jpg

These cities show that the Turkish culture and Turkish people aren't comparable to us Europeans but to Iraqis, Kurds, Azerbaidschanis or Turkmenians.

Peyrol
01-23-2012, 03:05 PM
Well, what would be the backbone of a hypotetical independent Kurdistan's economy? Sheep trade? :laugh:

Kanuni
01-23-2012, 03:13 PM
Istanbul is still nothing else than a stolen and annexed town named Konstantinopel and it was a developed place long before the Turks grabbed it. They did nothing to make this city something special, most sights were erected in the pre-Ottoman era. That city is heavily westernized and not comparable to the rest of Turkey. It's ridiculous to use Istanbul as an example for the 'development' of Turks because 99%, the rest of the country, is backward.

Afghanistan? Iraq? No, other Turkish cities. :rolleyes2:

Erzurum:

http://www.yeniresim.com/data/media/213/www.yeniresim.com_-_Trkiye_Resimleri_-_Erzurum_Resimleri.jpg

Diyarbakir:

http://www.yapi.com.tr/V_Images/2012/haberler/90328_diyarbekir_surlari.jpg

Gaziantep:

http://www.antoninaturizm.com/images/tur_resimleri/program/guneydogu_2010_gaziantep.jpg

Ankara:

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/79096/ankara_24.3.2011.jpg

These cities show that the Turkish culture and Turkish people aren't comparable to us Europeans but to Iraqis, Kurds, Azerbaidschanis or Turkmenians.

LOL why you cherrypick pictures to prove something which has no point?

The Lawspeaker
01-23-2012, 03:19 PM
It sure as hell isn't Europe.

StonyArabia
01-23-2012, 03:23 PM
Turkey is farther ahead than most countries in Eastern Europe. Sad but true.

Turkey's economy and life in general has improved quite a bit. This why many Turks have been leaving Germany for their homeland. The trend seems to continue, as Turkey is rather improving very fast.


The Turkish economy grew by 11% in the first quarter, outstripping China and confirming Turkey as Eurasia's rising tiger.

"In growth, we passed China and Argentina, we became No. 1 in the world," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan boasted in response to the figures Thursday, as he addressed lawmakers from the ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, in Ankara. China and Argentina posted 9.6% and 9.9% growth, respectively, for the quarter.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304584004576417073076740318.html

The Lawspeaker
01-23-2012, 03:47 PM
Turkey's economy and life in general has improved quite a bit. This why many Turks have been leaving Germany for their homeland. The trend seems to continue, as Turkey is rather improving very fast.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304584004576417073076740318.html
Very well.. the more piss off the better. :coffee::D

Redar14
01-23-2012, 05:07 PM
I'm against turkish imigration to Europe but I don't want see broken and humiliated Turkey.
Creating an independent kurdish state in Eastern Turkey is dangerous for global geopolitical order. After Kurds Catalonia, Caucasus, Friesland, Tatarstan etc will require independence... total madness!

Kurds were never independent nation and they never created own independent state. For me they are very similar to kosovar Albanians.

Osweo
01-23-2012, 11:59 PM
Istanbul is still nothing else than a stolen and annexed town named Konstantinopel and it was a developed place long before the Turks grabbed it. They did nothing to make this city something special, most sights were erected in the pre-Ottoman era.
And it was STILL heavily Greek (and Armenian) in the early Twentieth Century...


Erzurum:

http://www.yeniresim.com/data/media/213/www.yeniresim.com_-_Trkiye_Resimleri_-_Erzurum_Resimleri.jpg

I see an impressive old structure there...

Ah, it's an ARMENIAN church. :cool:


I'm against turkish imigration to Europe but I don't want see broken and humiliated Turkey.
We now see a broken Armenia, and a bloated Turkey sitting on lands it should never have been allowed to take. Naturally, Stambul and Ankara don't give a major fuck for the eastern lands, and so they are left to waste, when the natives might make something far better of them. The Turks only want them for the negative purpose of stopping somebody else have them. As for the Kurds, well, they've been savages for a long while, but they might change if they had the opportunity to assume responsibility of self rule, we can't rule that out.

I don't see Turkey as the best sort of country to be letting edge its way to great power status again, either. They don't exactly have a good track record at benefiting humanity. :ohwell:

Zephyr
01-24-2012, 04:52 AM
Well, what would be the backbone of a hypotetical independent Kurdistan's economy? Sheep trade? :laugh:

The same of now:

http://www.europeanstrategist.eu/2011/11/drug-trafficking-and-countermeasures-in-turkey-a-general-assessment-2/

Supplying 75% of Europe's heroin.

The Journeyman
01-24-2012, 06:37 AM
I'm against turkish imigration to Europe but I don't want see broken and humiliated Turkey.
Creating an independent kurdish state in Eastern Turkey is dangerous for global geopolitical order. After Kurds Catalonia, Caucasus, Friesland, Tatarstan etc will require independence... total madness!

Kurds were never independent nation and they never created own independent state. For me they are very similar to kosovar Albanians.

This same kind of European attitude is what kept the Russians from taking back Constantinople for the Orthodox Christians in 1770, 1853-56, and 1878. :eusa_doh:

Eva
01-24-2012, 11:01 AM
Padre sent me an interesting link of an Armenian's account of his visit to the lost lands. The author makes it clear that Kars must return to Armenia, but I was particularly struck by his different attitude to Van;

But on Van I must speak separately and in detail.

Van is already Kurdistan. Dear Artsruni, Bznuni, and my own Khorkhoruni (descendants of inhabitants of local villages, I suppose???), think no longer about Van. Buy land in Syunik, Gegarunik, Lori, Artsakh, work it, enjoy its views and grandness... Van has been fundamentally estranged from us, is likely to become the capital of an independent Kurdistan, and we must now build our relations with it. This is even a good thing, a new buffer state between us and the Turks. Van, Tatvan, Khlat, Bitlis, Dersim - all these are now Kurdistan. We must get used to this idea. Let the Turks and Kurds fight over the bones of our ancestors till they're blue in the face. Azerbaijan and Turkey will be pushed further apart, Pan-Turkism will become yet more a fantasy, and so we will survive. And then we will see...

------- Perhaps sensible, but sad. :pout:

А там посмотрим... ;)

I'm also struck by this attitude, what is Kurdistan, anyway?
As if they are creating civilisation there in Van; they are just living in mother nature and in the same way can live in another part of mother nature, which is Not Armenian.
Wilson's map can be a good solution. Though in that case we won't get all of our lands, but still better than now.

пустиняк
03-12-2012, 11:50 AM
Biji Kurd u Kurdistan!!! Hail Aryan brothers

Midori
03-12-2012, 03:40 PM
Independent what? :p

Ianus
02-09-2014, 04:33 PM
I generally don't support indipendentist istances, but they have the right to have a particular autonomy.

Rojava
02-10-2014, 06:03 PM
Armenians can hardly talk about oppression and the invasion of other people's lands. Those Yezidis in Armenia have forgotten their Kurdish identity and have decided to form their own group and they distance themselves from the Kurds. And this is all due to the Armenian tyranny of the Nagorno-Karabakh war. They blame the Kurds and Turks for the Armenian genocide (whether you call it a genocide or not, I don't like talking about this issue), but they forget that Turks and Kurds also offered their homes to Armenians that were fleeing.

And Assyrians? Where they do form a majority? Only in specific areas of the Mosul province. They don't even number half a million throughout Iraq.
The mindset of these fake Christians is so retarded, that they are intent on deporting the entire Kurdish and Turkish population out of Anatolia and Mesopotamia.
I say GOOD LUCK. The Assyrians are just a bunch of pussies that had to beg the Kurds for help against Saddam. Whenever they needed us they would be willing to suck our dicks, but after we helped them they went back to their retarded selves. So many Christian lives have been saved because of the Kurds. It's time to be grateful for once.

What's even funnier, is that so many Assyrian and Armenian "leaders" think of themselves as lions of their people, but the truth is that they have never visited Anatolia or Mesopotamia. They live in areas like California, never mentioning a word in their native tongue but only in English.

A couple of years ago I was all up for an Armenian-Assyrian-Kurd alliance or whatever... But they just become gayer by the day.

Kemalisté
05-24-2014, 02:50 PM
If Kurdistan becomes independent; Turkey's land connection to the Middle East would be gone. So, I'm up for this.

gültekin
05-24-2014, 06:31 PM
that is the only result for dream of insects and supporters. dreaming is free, jacking off too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHcTp_g5BGA

Rojava
05-24-2014, 06:35 PM
that is the only result for dream of insects and supporters. dreaming is free, jacking off too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHcTp_g5BGA

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/72607_612274722138558_1823397810_n.jpg

ID cards of Turks fighting for Al Nusra killed by YPG :)

Oh and let's not forget this: https://vine.co/v/MHLUVp9XFp0

gültekin
05-24-2014, 06:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cAv_bJRTo

Rojava
05-24-2014, 06:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cAv_bJRTo

lol blowing up a piece of rock and then portraying it as guerrillas getting blown up. lol if that sort of accurate technology existed, the PKK would have been destroyed years ago.

Rojava
05-24-2014, 06:52 PM
Heval, these mountains are OURS!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GzF43mP1s

DarkSecret
05-24-2014, 07:45 PM
Heval, these mountains are OURS!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GzF43mP1s

You are mountain Turks so shut up and stay where you are as you are..

StonyArabia
05-24-2014, 07:48 PM
If Kurdistan becomes independent; Turkey's land connection to the Middle East would be gone. So, I'm up for this.

What about Tunceli should it be part of Turkey or Kurdistan? Azerbaijan is always thought to be Middle Eastern, how would Turkey be any different.

Kemalisté
05-24-2014, 07:59 PM
What about Tunceli should it be part of Turkey or Kurdistan? Azerbaijan is always thought to be Middle Eastern, how would Turkey be any different.

Things will be much easier for Turkey if we stop bordering Syria, Iran and Iraq. People who include the Caucasus in the Middle East are total ignoramuses, it has nothing to do with the Middle East. Azerbaijan is far from being a Middle Eastern country.

The borders of Kurdistan would be determined by referendum. I doubt Tunceli will vote to be a part of it so it will stay within Turkey.

EyeOfTheTiger
05-24-2014, 10:47 PM
You are mountain Turks so shut up and stay where you are as you are..
they aren't mountain turks, that's what turkish propaganda says.
they are mostly iranids, with some armenid.

Hong Key
05-24-2014, 10:55 PM
My Assyrian friend would appreciate a small chunk of a fully independent territory. They were there first. Perhaps a few villages, something equivalent to the size of a US county? If so then I support a free Wogistan er I mean Kurdistan. I think Kurds are the largest nation without a country?

Assyrian villages in northern Iraq today.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Assyrian_autonomy_map_2003.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Flag_of_Assyria.svg/512px-Flag_of_Assyria.svg.png

StonyArabia
05-24-2014, 11:27 PM
My Assyrian friend would appreciate a small chunk of a fully independent territory. They were there first. Perhaps a few villages, something equivalent to the size of a US county? If so then I support a free Wogistan er I mean Kurdistan. I think Kurds are the largest nation without a country?

Assyrian villages in northern Iraq today.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Flag_of_Assyria.svg/512px-Flag_of_Assyria.svg.png

Difficult to happen with their small numbers. Kurds, Turkmens, and even Bedouin Arabs hold much higher numbers than they do. Most of the West for example is dominated by Bedouin confederation such as the Shammar, well the east by Kurds, and in some regions by Turkmens. Thus an independent nation in Northern Iraq might for see a prolonged conflict.

alanr
05-25-2014, 12:41 AM
Kurdistan in Iraq and Syria is already independent, maybe not on maps, but if you spend a minute there you would understand. Watch this video and tell me if you see anything Iraqi about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvzRfwEMNeU

Rojava
05-25-2014, 01:45 PM
My Assyrian friend would appreciate a small chunk of a fully independent territory. They were there first. Perhaps a few villages, something equivalent to the size of a US county? If so then I support a free Wogistan er I mean Kurdistan. I think Kurds are the largest nation without a country?

Assyrian villages in northern Iraq today.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Assyrian_autonomy_map_2003.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Flag_of_Assyria.svg/512px-Flag_of_Assyria.svg.png

Ninawah is Assyrian. But no way will they ever reach cities such as Duhok and Erbil, cities that were built by, the HURRIANS, my ancestors. That's just bullshit Assyrian nationalists, who have never visited "Assyria" and don't even utter a single word of their language, made up. They call on a revolution against Kurds yet they live in their mansions in California and LA living like royalty. Fuck them.

random
05-25-2014, 02:13 PM
Ninawah is Assyrian. But no way will they ever reach cities such as Duhok and Erbil, cities that were built by, the HURRIANS, my ancestors. That's just bullshit Assyrian nationalists, who have never visited "Assyria" and don't even utter a single word of their language, made up. They call on a revolution against Kurds yet they live in their mansions in California and LA living like royalty. Fuck them.

What about the Medians ? aren't they your ancestors too ?

ASSYRIAN_Libra
05-26-2014, 04:07 PM
First of all, modern Assyrians are mixer of Hurrian, but possibly more native to the mountainous region more so than the southern region. Also, Assyria had different people living there long ago and that would include the native habitants that contribute to the Assyrian society, and intermarriage. Secondly, Duhok was dominantly Assyrian and that is a fact, you Kurds may have Assyrian roots because many of our Assyrian women were raped by the Kurds from Iran.

Rojava
05-26-2014, 07:09 PM
First of all, modern Assyrians are mixer of Hurrian, but possibly more native to the mountainous region more so than the southern region. Also, Assyria had different people living there long ago and that would include the native habitants that contribute to the Assyrian society, and intermarriage. Secondly, Duhok was dominantly Assyrian and that is a fact, you Kurds may have Assyrian roots because many of our Assyrian women were raped by the Kurds from Iran.

You're just another one of those Assyrian nationalists living a luxurious life in America.

"The Hurrians-whose name survives now most prominently in the dialect and district of Hawraman/Awraman in Kurdistan- divided into many clans and subgroups, who set up city-states, kingdoms and empires known today after their respective clan names. These included the Gutis, Kurti, Khadi, Mards, Mushku, Manna, Hatti, Mitanni, Urartu, and the Kassites, to name just a few. All these were Hurrians, and together form the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history.

By about 4.000 years ago, the first vanguard of the Indo-European-speaking peoples were trickling into Kurdistan in limited numbers and settling there. These formed the aristocracy of the Mitani, Kassite, and Hittite kingdoms, while the common peoples there remained solidly Hurrian. By about 3,000 years ago, the trickle had turned into a flood, and Hurrian Kurdistan was fast becoming Indo-European Kurdistan. Far from having been wiped out, the Hurrian legacy, despite its linguistic eclipse, remains the single most important element of the Kurdish culture until today. It forms the substructure for every aspects of Kurdish existence, from their native religion to their art, their social organization, women's status, and even the form of their militia warfare."

ASSYRIAN_Libra
05-26-2014, 11:00 PM
You honestly think I live in luxurious life??? Wow. Anyways, it appears constricting when Kurds claimed to be from Media, meanwhile Hurrian is a a whole different people from Turkey, not Iran or northern Iraq.

alanr
05-26-2014, 11:11 PM
You honestly think I live in luxurious life??? Wow. Anyways, it appears constricting when Kurds claimed to be from Media, meanwhile Hurrian is a a whole different people from Turkey, not Iran or northern Iraq.

No, Kurds existed before the Medes arrived. The Medes just shaped the modern Iranic component of the Kurdish nation. "Kurdistan" simply means Land of sons of the mountains.

ASSYRIAN_Libra
05-26-2014, 11:30 PM
I'm getting mix informations from Kurds. :picard2:

alanr
05-26-2014, 11:35 PM
I'm getting mix informations from Kurds. :picard2:

"Median tribes first settled the areas between the modern Hamadan and Kirmanshah in southeastern Kurdistan--the very heartland of Media, and an area that came to be called in the Assyrian record, Medaya, in recognition of this settlement. Medes were a nomadic group who ventured into the Middle East along with other Indo-European-speaking nomads such as the Persians, Armenians, and Afghans. Soon, however, their fortunes eclipsed all others. The Medes first expanded from their heartland in southeastern Kurdistan and their capital, Hamadan (ancient Ecbatana), to cover the Zagros mountains, western parts of the Iranian Plateau and eastern Anatolia. This expanded territory is what the term "Media" meant to classical authors. From here the Medes would ultimately establish an empire stretching from Asia Minor to Central Asia. Their empire was ultimately eclipsed in 549 BC by the rising star of the Medes' cousins, the Persians.

The Medes added nothing of particular cultural value to justify fighting over their inheritance. The civilization and cultural lux ascribed to the elusive Medes they had adopted from the indigenous peoples and illustrious cultures they found already in place when they arrived in western Asia as nomadic immigrants in circa 1100 BC. Kurdish culture, which identifies the Kurdish people, has its native roots in the distinguished legacy of all those who preceded the Medes, but also includes the Medes. Only for a relatively short time did those mountains come to be called Media. And the Medes who settled in the Zagros brought little but they learned much from the local indigenous people with an ancient and sophisticated civilization. Before merging their identity with them, the Medes enriched the local cultures with one more layer of experience and one more addition of genes into their racial pool. And what they left behind after their ethnic name disappeared, continued to evolve through cultures and peoples who came after them, settled in the area and in turn disappeared into the local milieu.

Yes, Kurds as the descendants of the Medes inasmuch as they contributed genetically and linguistically to the formation of what the Kurds are today. No, Kurds are not descendants of the Medes as their civilized ancestors were already in place when the Medes appeared, flourished, and ultimately disappeared. Kurds need not have come at some given date from some other place into their present homeland; indeed they did not. They and their culture are the progeny of an evolution of native inhabitants and cultures of the Zagros-Taurus mountain systems, coming to us from remote antiquity. The addition of a Median ingredient was only one of countless many.

Let us conclude that neither Kurds or any other nation require ad discrete beginning. Only the most fanciful movie buffs can think of the intricate processes of the evolution of nations as one that needs a beginning, and an end."

ASSYRIAN_Libra
05-26-2014, 11:40 PM
Interesting reads, thanks for sharing.

alanr
05-27-2014, 12:00 AM
For those that think Christians are oppressed in Kurdistan, watch this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdWMIZU4gsA

Listen to the priest say

"The Peshmerga protects us, the Iraqi government does not. If the Peshmerga ever withdraws, we're all dead"

Considering the fact that my people risk their lives to protect the fellow Christian mountain people, I don't appreciate the bigotry and ignorance portrayed by their western folk.

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 09:38 AM
Eastern Turkey = Western Armenia, historical part of Armenia.

Then there is no Turkey.Maybe you still dont get it but we conquered ''historical part of Armenia''.If you have power come and take it like a man.These are my thoughts.

Nebuchadnezzar
01-25-2015, 12:58 PM
As an Iraqi Arab from southern iraq..... I do Support kurdish indpendence.

If kurds think that they can build a better society without "Arabs" involved in it, by all means, you have my best wishes.

You have the freedom to do so, although I don't encourge som of the Kurdish nationalist extremism

It's worth mentioning that Kurds are very native indeed of the areas they live in Iraq, they've been living in these mountains from 2500-3000 years, much longer than any arabs have lived in Iraq.....

Jeez maybe if Arab Muslims didn't invade Iraq, you'd only have kurds & assyrians only



Also 1 thing to add,

MORE OIL FOR THE REST OF US IRAQIS TO ENJOY, NO MORE SPENDING ON KURDS AND THE KRG............. YEHAAAAAAAAAAAW

RandoBloom
01-25-2015, 01:00 PM
For those that think Christians are oppressed in Kurdistan, watch this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdWMIZU4gsA

Listen to the priest say

"The Peshmerga protects us, the Iraqi government does not. If the Peshmerga ever withdraws, we're all dead"

Considering the fact that my people risk their lives to protect the fellow Christian mountain people, I don't appreciate the bigotry and ignorance portrayed by their western folk.

You can find same videos of christians saying ISIS is protecting them. :rofl:

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:07 PM
Then there is no Turkey.Maybe you still dont get it but we conquered ''historical part of Armenia''.If you have power come and take it like a man.These are my thoughts.

Your country is based on mass murder, assimilation, discrimination and oppression of minorities ... I could go on. Principals of the Turkish state are as shitty as the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:10 PM
These morons need another Albanian-Macedonian leader. Ataturk didn't die for this.

Atatürk isn't much better

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 01:12 PM
Your country is based on mass murder, assimilation, discrimination and oppression of minorities ... I could go on. Principals of the Turkish state are as shitty as the Islamic Republic of Iran.

if you say so ;)

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:13 PM
All I know is that he tried to bring secularism to these baboons.

Well it didn't really help, he was much smarter than the average Turk back then though, but apparently the majority remained stupid

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 01:14 PM
All I know is that he tried to bring secularism to these baboons.

Baboons?

If you dont know much thing about it maybe you shouldn't talk about it what you say?

N1019
01-25-2015, 01:16 PM
I support an independent Kurdistan and it looks like they are getting ever closer to achieving it. However, that would not be the end of problems for the Kurds. That whole region is set to remain in a state of turbulence for the forseeable future.


I don't like the Iranian government. But it is only a matter of time the younger generations in Iran rid themselves of that Arab-wannabe government. Then they can embrace Western values. Along with an emergence of atheism, agnosticism, and a return of the pre-Islamic faith of Zoroastrianism. I would prefer Iran to be fully united when that happens.

If and when Iran is liberated*, there is a good chance that it will fall victim to a manipulated ethno-religious-linguistic sectarian split in accordance with maps that have been in circulation for decades, which shows the loss of Kurdistan and the oil-rich Khuzestan, among other things. It is the so-called Bernard Lewis Plan, which allegedly inspired Brzezinski's 'Arc of Crisis' or 'Green Belt of Islam'. Time will tell.

*liberated probably means something like this:
1. Weaken central government by sanctions, low oil price, exclusion from energy deals (pipelines etc)
2. Lure Iranian military into regional conflicts with proxies of the US, further weakening finances over time, then wipe out Iranian proxies
3. Stir up ethnic nationalist and other anti-government movements as economic conditions worsen and faith in the clerical autocracy declines
4. Wait for an excuse to attack and carve up the nation

It looks like 1 and 2 are already in progress; even 3 is probably in the experimental stages, but it could be a long time before democracy gets dropped from 40,000 feet.

I'm sorry to say that the future for Iran (and Kurdistan) is not looking good.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:17 PM
Baboons?

If you dont know much thing about it maybe you shouldn't talk about it what you say?

But he is right. You Turks never learn from history. Is it a coincidence that most of Balkan and the Middle East dislikes / hates Turkey?

ius semper
01-25-2015, 01:19 PM
if you say so ;)

Remember first world war? What did the otoman empire to the armenians? I don't remember right now....

wvwvw
01-25-2015, 01:20 PM
I support a Greater Kurdistan stretching from Ballochistan to Istanbul :)

Nebuchadnezzar
01-25-2015, 01:22 PM
I support a Greater Kurdistan stretching from Ballochistan to Istanbul :)

Why stop there...... stretch it to even Morocco to the west, and all the way up to Albanistan too.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:22 PM
I support a Greater Kurdistan stretching from Ballochistan to Istanbul :)

You know, its not the Achaemenid Empire xD

wvwvw
01-25-2015, 01:24 PM
Why stop there...... stretch it to even Morocco to the west, and all the way up to Albanistan too.

Morocco and Afganistan aren't Kurdish lands so why should I?

ius semper
01-25-2015, 01:24 PM
Let the kurdish have their own country if they want to.

Nebuchadnezzar
01-25-2015, 01:27 PM
Morocco and Afganistan aren't Kurdish lands so why should I?

But Bolochistan and Istanbul are kurdish ?

Where do you get these ideas....?

I say let the dreamers dream.....

BTW i said Albanistan, as in Albania, and not Afghanistan

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 01:27 PM
Remember first world war? What did the otoman empire to the armenians? I don't remember right now....

You know eveything right?

Armenians betrayed the Ottoman Empire and killed Turks and Muslims and Enver Pasha sent them to desert I don't say we don't kill them we did.But this is not genocide we killed either.(Turkish and Armenians)Maybe you don't beileve but i wanted to wrote.Armenians (Hıncak and Tasnak Party) killed and raped people who lived in my village.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:34 PM
You know eveything right?

Armenians betrayed the Ottoman Empire and killed Turks and Muslims and Enver Pasha sent them to desert I don't say we don't kill them we did.But this is not genocide we killed either.(Turkish and Armenians)Maybe you don't beileve but i wanted to wrote.Armenians (Hıncak and Tasnak Party) killed and raped people who lived in my village.

So you justify that by killing 2 million Armenians? You even stole their country as well.

Carignan
01-25-2015, 01:37 PM
I support a Greater Kurdistan stretching from Ballochistan to Istanbul :)

Constantinople belongs to the Greeks.

wvwvw
01-25-2015, 01:37 PM
You know eveything right?

Armenians betrayed the Ottoman Empire and killed Turks and Muslims and Enver Pasha sent them to desert I don't say we don't kill them we did.But this is not genocide we killed either.(Turkish and Armenians)Maybe you don't beileve but i wanted to wrote.Armenians (Hıncak and Tasnak Party) killed and raped people who lived in my village.
Robert Fisk: The forgotten holocaust

The killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Turks during the First World War remains one of the bloodiest and most contentious episodes of the 20th century. Robert Fisk visits Yerevan, and unearths hitherto unpublished images of the first modern genocide

German soldiers sent to Turkey to reorganise the Ottoman army also witnessed these atrocities. Armin Wegner, an especially courageous German second lieutenant in the retinue of Field Marshal von der Goltz, took a series of photographs of dead and dying Armenian women and children. Other German officers regarded the genocide with more sinister interest. Some of these men, as Armenian scholar Vahakn Dadrian discovered, turn up 26 years later as more senior officers conducting the mass killing of Jews in German-occupied Russia.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-forgotten-holocaust-463306.html

Because Turkey never paid for her crimes she repeated them with Greeks and Kurds. 30,000 Kurdish villages were burnt to the ground and thousands of Kurdish children, women and men died.

wvwvw
01-25-2015, 01:38 PM
Constantinople belongs to the Greeks.

They have sucessfuly erased any trace of Greeks there. Istanbul is the home of millions of Kurds now.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:39 PM
Constantinople belongs to the Greeks.

So does Western part of Anatolia

ius semper
01-25-2015, 01:39 PM
You know eveything right?

Armenians betrayed the Ottoman Empire and killed Turks and Muslims and Enver Pasha sent them to desert I don't say we don't kill them we did.But this is not genocide we killed either.(Turkish and Armenians)Maybe you don't beileve but i wanted to wrote.Armenians (Hıncak and Tasnak Party) killed and raped people who lived in my village.

I'm sorry about your village, but you can't deny that the otoman empire behaved very bad doing a genocide and you can't neither deny that Turkey doesn't help the kurds while they're fighting ISIS although some of them are, in theory, turkish citizens.

Carignan
01-25-2015, 01:41 PM
They have sucessfuly erased any trace of Greeks there. Istanbul is the home of millions of Kurds now.

We can successfully erased them as well and make Hagia Sophia a church again.

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 01:48 PM
I'm sorry about your village, but you can't deny that the otoman empire behaved very bad doing a genocide and you can't neither deny that Turkey doesn't help the kurds while they're fighting ISIS although some of them are, in theory, turkish citizens.

If we help Kurds it's means we helped PKK too.And maybe you know Pkk is a terrorist organisation in Turkey.We don't support ISIS but suit one's book.


I am saying again we didn't genocide we killed each other.

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 01:50 PM
We can successfully erased them as well and make Hagia Sophia a church again.

Please do that :D

Istanbul isn't belong Greece but maybe Greece is belong Istanbul what you say? Istanbul is more crowded than all Greece ;D

Pahli
01-25-2015, 01:51 PM
If we help Kurds it's means we helped PKK too.And maybe you know Pkk is a terrorist organisation in Turkey.We don't support ISIS but suit one's book.


I am saying again we didn't genocide we killed each other.

Denying the genocide like the real Turk you are :)

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 02:00 PM
Denying the genocide like the real Turk you are :)

I can't denying the thing didn't happen

ius semper
01-25-2015, 02:00 PM
If we help Kurds it's means we helped PKK too.And maybe you know Pkk is a terrorist organisation in Turkey.We don't support ISIS but suit one's book.


I am saying again we didn't genocide we killed each other.

Listen I don't blame you or your family or the turkish citizens of that, i'm just saying that it was a real genocide that no one remembers nowadays. I don't know how life under the otoman empire was, I can't talk about that because I'm in the other side of the mediterranean.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 02:05 PM
I can't denying the thing didn't happen

What a shame, then you'll live your life on lies :)

TheGoldenSon
01-25-2015, 02:08 PM
Kurdistan is now on it's inevitable path to independence and unification. Congratulations Kurds, you have proven what nearly a hundred years of hardwork and proper investments can do for a people.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 02:09 PM
Kurdistan is now on it's inevitable path to independence and unification. Congratulations Kurds, you have proven what nearly a hundred years of hardwork and proper investments can do for a people.

We are far from done, the Turks need to be taught their lesson

Böri
01-25-2015, 02:09 PM
They have sucessfuly erased any trace of Greeks there. Istanbul is the home of millions of Kurds now.

This is 15 million Istanbul. Kurds only ~3 million. And they are more poor social class so this mean they can't take control.

Böri
01-25-2015, 02:11 PM
Kurdistan is now on it's inevitable path to independence and unification. Congratulations Kurds, you have proven what nearly a hundred years of hardwork and proper investments can do for a people.

If you multiply like them you take all Bosnia and half of Serbia in four generations.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 02:11 PM
This is 15 million Istanbul. Kurds only ~3 million. And they are more poor social class so this mean they can't take control.

Pro-Turkish politics haven't made it easier for them

Linebacker
01-25-2015, 02:13 PM
I already said I would.Those lands should be independent,correction - should have been independent a long time ago.

Turkey is going trough way too much trouble to keep those lands,and Kurdistan is going trough way too much trouble trying to rebel.Both would win if they just sit down and sort it out.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 02:15 PM
I already said I would.Those lands should be independent,correction - should have been independent a long time ago.

Turkey is going trough way too much trouble to keep those lands,and Kurdistan is going trough way too much trouble trying to rebel.Both would win if they just sit down and sort it out.

That would active a lot of butthurtness among the Turkish nationalists, and they have many of them.

Pahli
01-25-2015, 02:16 PM
If you multiply like them you take all Bosnia and half of Serbia in four generations.

As if you didn't multiply your Mongolian ass, I wonder how you expanded so far and won wars if it wasn't for numbers ...

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 02:26 PM
What a shame, then you'll live your life on lies :)

Yes it is hard thing for kurds and armenians ;)

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 02:32 PM
Listen I don't blame you or your family or the turkish citizens of that, i'm just saying that it was a real genocide that no one remembers nowadays. I don't know how life under the otoman empire was, I can't talk about that because I'm in the other side of the mediterranean.

Ok i understand you but I am saying there is no genocide

I think you don't know much thing about it.You are just sportting Armenians because of they are Christian and we are your historical enemies.

Böri
01-25-2015, 02:33 PM
Best solution this is mass immigration of Kurds. In North Iraq they have oil. Turkish companies will build cities like Doha or Dubai. So some Kurds from Turkey go there. Also EU countries need young population, some other Kurds can go there also. This is best solution. Kurds never created a state in history so they cant claim our lands just because they multiplied and become majority.

TheGoldenSon
01-25-2015, 02:39 PM
That would active a lot of butthurtness among the Turkish nationalists, and they have many of them.

A partnership with Turkey would be beneficial to both, Turks give up some fringe regions and gain an effective satellite state/buffer zone from which to project their interests across the region. While Kurds gain an economic and political bridge to European markets and the military support/protection of a NATO. WIN-WIN for everyone.

TheGoldenSon
01-25-2015, 02:40 PM
Best solution this is mass immigration of Kurds. In North Iraq they have oil. Turkish companies will build cities like Doha or Dubai. So some Kurds from Turkey go there. Also EU countries need young population, some other Kurds can go there also. This is best solution. Kurds never created a state in history so they cant claim our lands just because they multiplied and become majority.

Media existed as the first Kurdish state, while this is the arguments Greeks use when looking on lost territories in Anatolia.

TheGoldenSon
01-25-2015, 02:42 PM
We are far from done, the Turks need to be taught their lesson

All in due time, my friend. While for your issues with Turkey a more pragmatic option is necessary, unless you with to piss on everything you have achieved in the last decade.

Nebuchadnezzar
01-25-2015, 02:43 PM
Whoaah....

Reading the replies in here, gives you the influence that every neighbour to Turkey seems to hate them.... Bulgarians,Greeks,Armenians,Kurds,Iranians,Cypriot s... even their Bosniak brethren.

What the hell have you done to these people, turks ? :D

I'm starting to think that Turkey is the United States, of the Mediterranean...

i'llseeyouinhell
01-25-2015, 02:47 PM
Whoaah....

Reading the replies in here, gives you the influence that every neighbour to Turkey seems to hate them.... Bulgarians,Greeks,Armenians,Kurds,Iranians,Cypriot s... even their Bosniak brethren.

What the hell have you done to these people, turks ? :D

I'm starting to think that Turkey is the United States, of the Mediterranean...

They are just hate Ottoman Empire :D

Pahli
01-25-2015, 03:04 PM
Whoaah....

Reading the replies in here, gives you the influence that every neighbour to Turkey seems to hate them.... Bulgarians,Greeks,Armenians,Kurds,Iranians,Cypriot s... even their Bosniak brethren.

What the hell have you done to these people, turks ? :D

I'm starting to think that Turkey is the United States, of the Mediterranean...

Some Arabs hate them too

Pahli
01-25-2015, 03:07 PM
Best solution this is mass immigration of Kurds. In North Iraq they have oil. Turkish companies will build cities like Doha or Dubai. So some Kurds from Turkey go there. Also EU countries need young population, some other Kurds can go there also. This is best solution. Kurds never created a state in history so they cant claim our lands just because they multiplied and become majority.

Or you could simple give the lands that don't belong to you back to its original owners

Nebuchadnezzar
01-25-2015, 03:15 PM
Some Arabs hate them too

Many Arabs, especially Syrians... because of İskenderun

jackrussell
01-25-2015, 03:20 PM
Or you could simple give the lands that don't belong to you back to its original owners


Turks will not give anything to Kurds or anyone else without getting something of equal value in return . Right of conquest is very real and is still in force . If everyone was to give the land to their original owners , then I would own Amed & Kadesh .:D

The only way for the Kurds to have a nation of their own is to come to an agreement with 4 countries simultaneously . Turks , Syrians . Iraqis and Iranians would have to have an agreement to grant Kurds thewir own state .

Of course a solution without war is the better option .

On a personal level , you are totally misrepresenting the opinions of Turkey's Kurds . That wet dream of yours i.e Turks getting punished by Kurds is akin to Mexicans defeating the USA in a land war and taking California back .

Pahli
01-25-2015, 03:26 PM
Turks will not give anything to Kurds or anyone else without getting something of equal value in return . Right of conquest is very real and is still in force . If everyone was to give the land to their original owners , then I would own Amed & Kadesh .:D

The only way for the Kurds to have a nation of their own is to come to an agreement with 4 countries simultaneously . Turks , Syrians . Iraqis and Iranians would have to have an agreement to grant Kurds thewir own state .

Of course a solution without war is the better option .

On a personal level , you are totally misrepresenting the opinions of Turkey's Kurds . That wet dream of yours i.e Turks getting punished by Kurds is akin to Mexicans defeating the USA in a land war and taking California back .

Not really a dream, I know it will happen, and the Kurds aren't alone in this battle. What do you get in return? Well I'm not sure if you deserve anything in return for all the shit you've stirred up and done. Considering the fact that the Turkish state still exists is amazing, but we will hopefully see a change to that one day, and the Turks will realize what they've done :)

Instinct
01-25-2015, 04:43 PM
Yes it is hard thing for kurds and armenians ;)

Armenians are not exists in Anatolia in present day, only about 30.000-60.000 Armenians left in Istanbul have minority status with other such minorities (Greeks, Jews).

Pennywise
01-25-2015, 05:32 PM
Whoaah....

Reading the replies in here, gives you the influence that every neighbour to Turkey seems to hate them.... Bulgarians,Greeks,Armenians,Kurds,Iranians,Cypriot s... even their Bosniak brethren.

What the hell have you done to these people, turks ? :D

I'm starting to think that Turkey is the United States, of the Mediterranean...

Hundreds of years ass pain. of course they hate us.

Pennywise
01-25-2015, 05:40 PM
btw, do not listen to those kurdish trolls. if kurdistan was excist as a state, none of them would go there for live.

Jehan
01-25-2015, 05:54 PM
Turks will not give anything to Kurds or anyone else without getting something of equal value in return . Right of conquest is very real and is still in force . If everyone was to give the land to their original owners , then I would own Amed & Kadesh .:D

The only way for the Kurds to have a nation of their own is to come to an agreement with 4 countries simultaneously . Turks , Syrians . Iraqis and Iranians would have to have an agreement to grant Kurds thewir own state .

Of course a solution without war is the better option .

On a personal level , you are totally misrepresenting the opinions of Turkey's Kurds . That wet dream of yours i.e Turks getting punished by Kurds is akin to Mexicans defeating the USA in a land war and taking California back .

In Irak, Kurds have already an autonomous state.
In Syria, they will probably get the same or a discret support of the governement.

jackrussell
01-25-2015, 06:00 PM
Not really a dream, I know it will happen, and the Kurds aren't alone in this battle. What do you get in return? Well I'm not sure if you deserve anything in return for all the shit you've stirred up and done. Considering the fact that the Turkish state still exists is amazing, but we will hopefully see a change to that one day, and the Turks will realize what they've done :)

That dream of yours will quickly turn into a nightmare when you realise out of the 600+ Kurdish tribes , more then half of them will prefer to side with Turks . Turks are already building Kurdistan in the North of Iraq . That is the reason why Barzani has a Turkish passport . In short , you are looking at a war with other Kurds before you get to the Turks . Never mind the Arabs with their own accounts to settle with Kurds . In short your dream reminds me of the chicken who dreams of living in the corn depot .
And if you are expecting Israel or USA & West to help you win this dreamish war of yours , well , you are more naive then I thought indeed .

Let me tell you a more likely scenario to occur in next decade ;

Iraqi Kurdistan splits from Iraq and joins with Turks . Their soft belly secured , The Turks then would look to west & east for gains .

As far as " Deserve " goes , I figured that this short clip gives an appropriate answer to " Deserve " question :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuvEJ-U1UDc

Your mind is rather confused I say .

Firstly you complain that the Turks were bad ass killers !!!

The next breath you propose the Kurds to be even worse killer then Turks . :D

The truth however is , as always stranger then the fiction which has been created for your feeble mind by those who play you for a fool .

History repeats itself ; Kurds will not knife the Turks in the back when shit hits the fan so to speak .

You can take that to bank . :)

jackrussell
01-25-2015, 06:06 PM
In Irak, Kurds have already an autonomous state.
In Syria, they will probably get the same or a discret support of the governement.


It is inevitable fact that the Kurds wil get their own state . The crucial difference is that this Kurdish state will not be a vassall to emperial interests but it will be supported by it;s neighbours.
Kurds are faaaaar more religous for that to happen then you realise .

Pahli
01-25-2015, 06:46 PM
That dream of yours will quickly turn into a nightmare when you realise out of the 600+ Kurdish tribes , more then half of them will prefer to side with Turks . Turks are already building Kurdistan in the North of Iraq . That is the reason why Barzani has a Turkish passport . In short , you are looking at a war with other Kurds before you get to the Turks . Never mind the Arabs with their own accounts to settle with Kurds . In short your dream reminds me of the chicken who dreams of living in the corn depot .
And if you are expecting Israel or USA & West to help you win this dreamish war of yours , well , you are more naive then I thought indeed .

Let me tell you a more likely scenario to occur in next decade ;

Iraqi Kurdistan splits from Iraq and joins with Turks . Their soft belly secured , The Turks then would look to west & east for gains .

As far as " Deserve " goes , I figured that this short clip gives an appropriate answer to " Deserve " question :

Your mind is rather confused I say .

Firstly you complain that the Turks were bad ass killers !!!

The next breath you propose the Kurds to be even worse killer then Turks . :D

The truth however is , as always stranger then the fiction which has been created for your feeble mind by those who play you for a fool .

History repeats itself ; Kurds will not knife the Turks in the back when shit hits the fan so to speak .

You can take that to bank . :)

We will see, don't expect everything to go Turkey's way ;)

Pahli
01-25-2015, 06:47 PM
It is inevitable fact that the Kurds wil get their own state . The crucial difference is that this Kurdish state will not be a vassall to emperial interests but it will be supported by it;s neighbours.
Kurds are faaaaar more religous for that to happen then you realise .

I'm sorry, but which president is being very undemocratic and cracks down on freedom of speech and the free press? Yeah, you didn't it mention: Erdogan

grizzlyclaw
02-03-2015, 09:06 AM
I defitately would support a kurdish state. Unfortunately, due to the fact that Kurdistans territory extends over 4 countries which would never resign their territory to the kurds, an independant kurdish state is not possible.

I really show the kurdish peshmergas fighting against ISIS my whole respect

Böri
02-03-2015, 09:15 AM
In Irak, Kurds have already an autonomous state.
In Syria, they will probably get the same or a discret support of the governement.

What do you think about Brittons, Normans, Basks, Corsicans, Germans in France? France is Unitarian centralized state despite France is in a more civilized area with not Communist terrorism like in Turkey.

Anthropos
02-03-2015, 09:59 AM
For Kurds, besides religious differences there are also divides in political ideas and clans. I may not be sufficiently informed, but I am not so sure that all Kurds want a state for all Kurdish regions. Would some Kurds prefer local autonomy, I wonder. Then there is of course the problem of acquiring recognition from host states.

Jehan
02-03-2015, 12:38 PM
What do you think about Brittons, Normans, Basks, Corsicans, Germans in France? France is Unitarian centralized state despite France is in a more civilized area with not Communist terrorism like in Turkey.

Is some of them wants independance, i should totally agree with it.
Now you have to know that in your list, only corsican can seriously claim their own state. The other are just French with some regional differences.

Böri
02-03-2015, 12:52 PM
Is some of them wants independance, i should totally agree with it.
Now you have to know that in your list, only corsican can seriously claim their own state. The other are just French with some regional differences.
Okay. I see.


Yes, I do... I think they've suffered enough... I also want to see an Assyrian state.
Why almost all Albanians in the forum favor Kurdistan over Turks? Turks helped Albanians lots in history and Kurds and Albanians even never enter in contact.

klarji
02-03-2015, 01:38 PM
All ethnoses in the world should be free in the land of their ancestors
My ancestors always had to fight for our freedom and its unimaginable for me not have independent state now because members of other ethnos don't want to give freedom to us in the land of our ancestors

Kurdistan should be free

Böri
02-03-2015, 02:05 PM
All ethnoses in the world should be free in the land of their ancestors
My ancestors always had to fight for our freedom and its unimaginable for me not have independent state now because members of other ethnos don't want to give freedom to us in the land of our ancestors

Kurdistan should be free

I bet you live in Istanbul as you say this.

Drakoblare
02-03-2015, 02:10 PM
Anything that weakens Turkey is something I support, though their claims on Armenian land are retarded.

Pjeter Pan
02-03-2015, 02:26 PM
Not true... In the past Turks have actually killed Albanians but we forgave you, because that's in our nature.

Speak for yourself!

Pahli
02-03-2015, 02:27 PM
Okay. I see.


Why almost all Albanians in the forum favor Kurdistan over Turks? Turks helped Albanians lots in history and Kurds and Albanians even never enter in contact.

Joke of the year ... "Helped" them

Pjeter Pan
02-03-2015, 02:30 PM
Who invited you to talk to me?
Lol, its a forum you moron, shut the fuck up and speak for yourself, you understand?

Böri
02-03-2015, 03:07 PM
Not true... In the past Turks have actually killed Albanians but we forgave you, because that's in our nature.

Turks never massacred Albanians but in process which led to Balkan wars Albanians killed many innocent Turkish officers in Shkoder and I dont speak about Albanian commander who give Thessaloniki to Greek army with not firing one bullet in 1912. Greeks savages massacred Turks and Jews in Thessaloniki because this. Turks call this part of history the Albanian betrayal but we dont carry hate. We forget everything. Because Albanians dumped by some people. This is why Menderes accepts 300k Macedonia Albanians deported by Tito in 1950s. And this Albanians today most rich Albanian community in world as they settled Istanbul and benefitted from capitalism as Turkey never communist like Yugoslavia or Albania.

Dani Cutie
02-03-2015, 03:40 PM
They are natives or invaders?

Pennywise
02-03-2015, 03:44 PM
Everything your saying is a LIE, and yes Albanians did kill Turkish officers and army men because those people where responsible for killing Albanian civilians, so no they were not innocent, In fact you have half of Albania to Serbia, which lead to even more deaths of Albanians and forced out of Kosovo and macedonia Albanians

Serbs and Turks played with money to wipe out Albanians out of Kosovo and Macedonia, and communist Albania or Yugoslavia didn't teach us our history, but the evidence did, and not to mention there are thousands of Albanians in Italy and Ukrian who wemy there because of the Ottoman Empire.

Now Serbs and Turks become an ally. :rolleyes: Albanian hystreia is a mental sickness.

Pahli
02-03-2015, 03:48 PM
Now Serbs and Turks become an ally. :rolleyes: Albanian hystreia is a mental sickness.

The Serbs don't like you lol

Pennywise
02-03-2015, 03:52 PM
The Serbs don't like you lol

you have some mental retardation, haven't you? :picard1:

Pahli
02-03-2015, 03:52 PM
you have some mental retardation, haven't you? :picard1:

Or maybe you're dumb as fuck and don't realize the Ottoman era is over

Alphawolf
02-03-2015, 03:54 PM
Whoaah....

Reading the replies in here, gives you the influence that every neighbour to Turkey seems to hate them.... Bulgarians,Greeks,Armenians,Kurds,Iranians,Cypriot s... even their Bosniak brethren.

What the hell have you done to these people, turks ? :D

I'm starting to think that Turkey is the United States, of the Mediterranean...

The more danger, the more honor.

Pennywise
02-03-2015, 03:56 PM
Or maybe you're dumb as fuck and don't realize the Ottoman era is over

says a kurd who carrying the akhamenid persian flag. :picard2: you're a total waste of time. join an autistic support program.

Pahli
02-03-2015, 03:58 PM
says a kurd who carrying the akhamenid persian flag. :picard2: you're a total waste of time. join an autistic support program.

It has nothing to do with the Achamenid empire and just because I'm a Kurd I don't need Kurd related avatars you retard xD

klarji
02-03-2015, 04:04 PM
The more danger, the more honor.

Honor is when you respect other nations and religions

Böri
02-03-2015, 06:00 PM
Honor is when you respect other nations and religions

Honor is when you dont wish the land loss of people you live with. And you dont represent Georgians as even Muslim Georgians from Batum/West Georgia are unhappy for being outside Turkey borders.

Böri
02-03-2015, 06:10 PM
Everything your saying is a LIE, and yes Albanians did kill Turkish officers and army men because those people where responsible for killing Albanian civilians, so no they were not innocent. Albanians have Thessaly to Greeks? No... You Turks did, in fact you have half of Albania to Serbia, which lead to even more deaths of Albanians and forced out of Kosovo Albanians and, Serbs and Turks played with money to wipe out Albanians out of Kosovo and Macedonia, and communist Albania or Yugoslavia didn't teach us our history, but the evidence did, and not to mention there are thousands of Albanians in Italy and Ukrian who wemy there because of the Ottoman Empire.

Some Albanians killed Turkish officers because these Albanians betray Turks like some Bedouin Arabs do later in First World War. This is impossible Turks massacred Albanians as Albanians were privileged even with Muslims and soldiers in West Balkans were most Albanians. And Albanians selected Turks and killed them but didnt touch Albanian Ottoman officers in Albania so this is also racist. But like with Arabs we also forgive Albanians because we know Albanians followed call from calls of fire and evil. Because Turks not bad people and rule with justice and Albanians and Arabs suffered more than Turks after.

klarji
02-03-2015, 06:23 PM
Honor is when you dont wish the land loss of people you live with. And you dont represent Georgians as even Muslim Georgians from Batum/West Georgia are unhappy for being outside Turkey borders.

Georgian has only one fatherland - Georgia is its name. .
Selim of Acara said before Turks cut off his head - "You can cut off my head but Acaristan from Georgia never. I leave these words to my descendants."
Selim is a hero of the Acars so leave them in peace.

Böri
02-04-2015, 07:45 AM
Georgian has only one fatherland - Georgia is its name. .
Selim of Acara said before Turks cut off his head - "You can cut off my head but Acaristan from Georgia never. I leave these words to my descendants."
Selim is a hero of the Acars so leave them in peace.

Turks would leave Acars in peace but Acars dont leave Turks in peace. They stick to Turks so this make not sense you say Turks most leave Georgian area next to Georgia. I assume you are Christian Georgian who settle Turkey after Soviet end.


No... Albanians killed turkish officers because Turks killed Albanian civilians... Isa Belotini... It was the Turks who killed Albanians, of course there were some Albanian traitors too as well... Albanians were killed by Turks Serbs and Greeks in history, Albanians evil? Turks killed albanians, of course turks where going to get a reaction, Turkish officers where killed because of the dead and Albanian civilians who lost their lives because of Turkish forces.
They brainwash you. This is like Communist Albania which build bunkers everywhere by fear. Like I say this is impossible Turks massacre Albanians as in Albanian majority area most soldier and officers were Albanians. This is just Albanians become racist and selected Turkish origin officers and killed them. But all Albanians didnt do this. Some did. But now this is past. Forgotten now, but Albanians here still negative and support Kurds against Turkey

klarji
02-04-2015, 08:25 AM
Turks would leave Acars in peace but Acars dont leave Turks in peace. They stick to Turks

Don't tell here fairy-tales and don't insult Acars. They are known here as real mountaineers and people of dignity.

so this make not sense you say Turks most leave Georgian area next to Georgia.

Forget Acaristan. It was never your land. You were there conquerors and now this Land is free.


I assume you are Christian Georgian who settle Turkey after Soviet end.


I live in Georgia. I think Georgian has to live in Georgia and I will never leave this country. But my ancestors were from Samtskhe-Saatabago. I took my nickname in honor of Klarjians - one of the tribes of Samtskhe-Saatabago. Descendants of Klarjians live nowadays in Turkey that is why "Klarji" lives in Turkey.)

Böri
02-04-2015, 09:38 AM
Don't tell here fairy-tales and don't insult Acars. They are known here as real mountaineers and people of dignity.


Forget Acaristan. It was never your land. You were there conquerors and now this Land is free.




I live in Georgia. I think Georgian has to live in Georgia and I will never leave this country. But my ancestors were from Samtskhe-Saatabago. I took my nickname in honor of Klarjians - one of the tribes of Samtskhe-Saatabago. Descendants of Klarjians live nowadays in Turkey that is why "Klarji" lives in Turkey.)

If you live in Georgia remove Turkish flag from profile. You show like Georgians all hate Turks with your posts here and some Turks write aggressive posts against Caucasians as result. And you must also say Acar Muslim Georgians from Batum not stick to Turks, even Turkish dating websites are full with this Georgian Muslim girls who learnt Turkish and try mate Turks. This is least a nationalist folk can do.

Böri
02-04-2015, 09:52 AM
No one brainwashed us, communist Albania did NOT brainwash us, the Americans the British the Italians all documented events that happened during World War One and before and after that, journalists came there and saw what happened, Albanians were being killed by Turks Serbs Greeks and Russians Turks killed Albanians and Albanians took revenge.
Albanians became traitors and you try justification. After so many centuries Turks help Albanians Albanians betrayed. This is your Christian brothers who play you against Turks and you killed innocent Turks with your racist ideology then Albanians degenerate to communism. And today you support Kurds over Turks. Ungrateful people.

gültekin
02-04-2015, 10:07 AM
yes pls free Kurdistan, let them free for honor killing, Berdel (http://www.en.firatajans.com/news/news/berdel-a-kurdish-tradition-known-as-sister-swapping-and-parallel-weddings.htm)

Berdel - a Kurdish tradition known as sister swapping and parallel weddings

etc. let them FREE
a fresh news frome that people who deserves independent!!!!
Young couple victims of suspected honor killing
http://cdncms.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2015/02/02/203861_newsdetail.jpg


A group of people believed to be the relatives of a woman named Ceylan İnal (19) attacked İnal and her boyfriend, Hamdullah Ayaydın (25), with knives on Sunday, leaving İnal severely wounded and Ayaydın dead, at a bus terminal located in Istanbul's Esenler district.

The young couple's relationship was not approved of by İnal's family, increasing the likelihood that the assailants were relatives of İnal.

Four assailants first attacked Ayaydın as he got off a bus, then stabbed İnal numerous times. The assailants fled the bus station but left the knives at the scene of the crime.

Paramedics administered CPR to Ayaydın after his heart stopped beating.

He was rushed to Bayrampaşa State Hospital but did not respond to treatment and died from a loss of blood.

İnal is receiving treatment at the Haseki Teaching and Research Hospital, but she remains in critical condition.

Bystanders reported that Ayaydın was saying “my love” to his girlfriend before he lost consciousness, while the medical team tended to the couple.

The bystanders, who labeled the incident “terrifying,” also said the victims received many stab wounds while they were lying on the ground.

Before the incident, İnal's father reportedly went to the Mardin Police Department after he learned that his daughter had gone to İstanbul with her boyfriend, claiming that she had been kidnapped.

The police have launched an investigation to find the assailants.
http://www.todayszaman.com/national_young-couple-victims-of-suspected-honor-killing_371539.html

klarji
02-04-2015, 10:15 AM
You show like Georgians all hate Turks with your posts here

I only wrote that dances in Lezginka style are dances of the Great Caucasus. If you think that I hate Turks because of this fact its your problem.



And you must also say Acar Muslim Georgians from Batum not stick to Turks, even Turkish dating websites are full with this Georgian Muslim girls who learnt Turkish and try mate Turks.

I know only one clown in Internet who is fanatic Muslim and doesn't want to marry Georgian as they are Christians or bad Muslims. But she is only a clown. I hope there are not a lot of such clowns among Acarians. My Acarian university friend who was from mountainous Acara told me that they Acarians did not mix with Turks when they were conquered and he was proud of this. I don't think they have decided to mix with Turks now.

Pahli
02-04-2015, 10:20 AM
yes pls free Kurdistan, let them free for honor killing, Berdel (http://www.en.firatajans.com/news/news/berdel-a-kurdish-tradition-known-as-sister-swapping-and-parallel-weddings.htm)

etc. let them FREE
a fresh news frome that people who deserves independent!!!!
Young couple victims of suspected honor killing
http://cdncms.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2015/02/02/203861_newsdetail.jpg


A group of people believed to be the relatives of a woman named Ceylan İnal (19) attacked İnal and her boyfriend, Hamdullah Ayaydın (25), with knives on Sunday, leaving İnal severely wounded and Ayaydın dead, at a bus terminal located in Istanbul's Esenler district.

The young couple's relationship was not approved of by İnal's family, increasing the likelihood that the assailants were relatives of İnal.

Four assailants first attacked Ayaydın as he got off a bus, then stabbed İnal numerous times. The assailants fled the bus station but left the knives at the scene of the crime.

Paramedics administered CPR to Ayaydın after his heart stopped beating.

He was rushed to Bayrampaşa State Hospital but did not respond to treatment and died from a loss of blood.

İnal is receiving treatment at the Haseki Teaching and Research Hospital, but she remains in critical condition.

Bystanders reported that Ayaydın was saying “my love” to his girlfriend before he lost consciousness, while the medical team tended to the couple.

The bystanders, who labeled the incident “terrifying,” also said the victims received many stab wounds while they were lying on the ground.

Before the incident, İnal's father reportedly went to the Mardin Police Department after he learned that his daughter had gone to İstanbul with her boyfriend, claiming that she had been kidnapped.

The police have launched an investigation to find the assailants.
http://www.todayszaman.com/national_young-couple-victims-of-suspected-honor-killing_371539.html

Turks do the same, whats your point lol

gültekin
02-04-2015, 10:33 AM
Turks do the same, whats your point lol
fucking liar

Tonyukuk
02-15-2015, 12:11 AM
Turks do the same, whats your point lol

We don't care your culture, but pls leave donkeys alone and continued to fuck your sister.

Pahli
02-15-2015, 03:56 PM
We don't care your culture, but pls leave donkeys alone and continued to fuck your sister.

Learn English before you write such a dumb comment :)