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ScandinavianCelt
07-27-2025, 10:25 PM
Run this on 4 cycles please. I used the UN Geoscheme averages for Europe (E-W-N-S) + Caucasus ethnicities using official Modern Scaled.

My result is not the Akhvakh I usually get at less cycles, so please use 4-cycles. Now it is consistently Lak at NO ADC- .5x ADC with 4 cycles

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.0586% / 0.02058582
66.2 Northern.v3
26.0 Western.v3
7.8 Lak

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.0586% / 0.02058582 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.2 Northern.v3
26.0 Western.v3
7.8 Lak

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.0586% / 0.02058582 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.2 Northern.v3
26.0 Western.v3
7.8 Lak

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.3830% / 0.02382973 | ADC: 1x RC
66.2 Northern.v3
33.8 Western.v3

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 3.0947% / 0.03094667 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Northern.v3


Which group/s do you get, if any?

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You can add these ancient samples from the Caucasus to see what may show up before the modern (prob at .5x):



Azerbaijan_Caucasus_lowlands_LateC:ALX002,0.100164 ,0.136081,-0.069013,-0.071383,-0.029236,-0.013945,0.004465,-0.001615,-0.025361,0.002551,0.008444,-0.01109,0.012933,0.00289,-0.016965,0.028772,0.023339,0.006208,0.001383,-0.00963,0.009483,0.015951,-0.005053,-0.015183,-0.00479
Azerbaijan_Caucasus_lowlands_LN:MTT001,0.101303,0. 149283,-0.060716,-0.073321,-0.025543,-0.024263,0.00423,-0.012461,-0.022907,0.010752,-0.001786,0.002398,-0.014123,0.003578,-0.013436,-0.016043,-0.001825,0.006841,-0.000754,-0.004252,0.002121,0.005935,-0.0053,-0.003253,0.006826
Azerbaijan_Caucasus_lowlands_LN:POT002,0.099026,0. 14319,-0.071276,-0.06783,-0.03693,-0.022311,0.01081,-0.005307,-0.021475,0.000729,0.002598,0.010191,-0.016947,0.004679,-0.0095,-0.003713,0.01695,0.001267,-0.000251,0.001751,0.010606,0.010634,-0.007888,-0.011809,0.001078
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:RK1001,0.118376,0.0842 89,0.037335,0.11402,-0.038776,0.040718,0.012926,-0.002769,-0.06013,-0.070708,0.003085,-0.002248,0.001784,-0.021607,0.03963,0.015513,0.002608,0.00152,-0.003017,0.004252,-0.003119,0.007172,0.005793,0.018436,-0.010777
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:RK1007,0.10927,0.07108 7,0.019233,0.112728,-0.043393,0.037092,-0.00282,-0.011307,-0.064834,-0.080731,-0.007957,-0.008093,-0.002825,-0.037571,0.03108,0.012066,-0.017602,-0.006208,-0.011816,0.002501,0.00861,0.005441,0.004067,0.0071 09,-0.002994
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya:ZO2002,0.120652,0.0863 2,0.029415,0.099807,-0.028928,0.044344,0.00611,-0.003231,-0.055426,-0.069067,0.002273,-0.010041,-0.003419,-0.010322,0.029316,-0.006629,-0.022556,-0.002914,-0.008422,0.004752,-0.004243,0.009769,0.011955,0.012411,-0.003952
Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic:I2056,0.102441,0.135065 ,-0.068259,-0.035853,-0.053856,0.008367,0.017861,-0.007154,-0.083446,-0.040092,0.009581,0.011989,-0.030624,0.003441,0.002307,-0.022142,0.015125,-0.005321,-0.011816,0.019509,0.024582,0.000495,-0.008134,-0.018195,-0.003113
Russia_Caucasus_KuraAraxes:VEK007,0.103579,0.12897 2,-0.059585,-0.021318,-0.058165,0.000558,0.010105,0.005307,-0.071174,-0.030251,0.000487,0.007493,-0.011298,-0.012937,0.002986,-0.002652,0.019818,0,0.005531,-0.004377,-0.001622,-0.000866,0.004683,-0.008917,-0.003353
Russia_Caucasus_LateMaikop:MK5004,0.105855,0.11983 2,-0.05242,-0.028101,-0.043085,0.000837,0.00893,-0.008538,-0.05154,-0.031527,0.003573,0.004496,-0.012636,0.001239,0.002036,0.002917,0.019427,-0.003547,0.001508,0.018384,0.007861,-0.002226,-0.006655,0,0.001676
Russia_Caucasus_LateMaikop:SA6002,0.101303,0.12389 5,-0.060339,-0.04199,-0.056318,-0.009761,0.008695,-0.004846,-0.064834,-0.020957,0.007145,0.009142,-0.027205,-0.003853,0.000679,-0.011933,0.013299,-0.004941,-0.010182,0.016508,0.007612,-0.000124,0.003697,-0.013616,-0.007424
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya:I6266,0.1126 85,0.127957,-0.071653,-0.034238,-0.045855,-0.001394,0.013631,-0.011307,-0.068515,-0.03262,-0.003735,0.009142,-0.017691,0.010046,0.011536,-0.020286,0.008996,-0.004054,-0.010684,0.011005,0.019466,-0.007914,-0.00949,-0.010965,0.002155
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya:I6267,0.1024 41,0.128972,-0.075801,-0.032623,-0.038776,0.001952,0.018566,-0.003461,-0.058289,-0.024237,0.014615,0.005545,-0.031219,0.006881,0.000543,-0.010872,0.016168,-0.003674,-0.011187,0.005127,0.006489,0.000742,0.01368,-0.011688,0.007065
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya:I6268,0.1024 41,0.137096,-0.07995,-0.032623,-0.051394,-0.003347,0.016686,-0.007154,-0.069334,-0.023691,-0.003735,0.012139,-0.019475,0.004817,0.01045,-0.022673,-0.001173,-0.006968,-0.014707,0.014757,0.016097,-0.006801,0.003574,-0.008435,0.006706
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya:I6272,0.1069 94,0.13405,-0.065242,-0.037791,-0.053856,-0.002789,0.008695,-0.004384,-0.059721,-0.015672,0.005521,0.013038,-0.023637,-0.001927,0.009772,-0.015115,0.012386,-0.000887,-0.000628,0.005378,0.006364,0.002968,0.003697,-0.011688,0.000599
Russia_Caucasus_Maikop:OSS001,0.104717,0.121864,-0.048271,-0.017442,-0.047086,-0.005578,0.00752,-0.007384,-0.048472,-0.015672,0.00747,0.009142,-0.011298,-0.004266,0.001764,-0.008088,0.008084,0.003801,-0.006285,-0.005127,-0.003119,-0.000866,-0.018734,-0.019159,0.011137
Russia_Caucasus_Medieval:Anapa-10.SG,0.10927,0.083273,-0.01961,-0.018411,-0.034776,-0.003347,0.00423,-0.002538,-0.055017,-0.016219,-0.007145,0.003897,-0.015461,-0.000413,-0.003257,-0.003978,0.021644,-0.00076,-0.001383,0.006378,0.003993,-0.003586,-0.004067,-0.000602,0.003353
Russia_Caucasus_Medieval:Anapa-11.SG,0.112685,0.07718,-0.026021,-0.018411,-0.029236,0.006693,0.00705,-0.003923,-0.052154,-0.018406,-0.001137,0.008992,-0.010704,0.003991,0.000814,-0.001989,0.023078,-0.003801,-0.010056,0.006003,0.004367,0.001484,-0.001356,-0.00482,0.000599
Russia_Caucasus_Medieval:Anapa-9.SG,0.10927,0.089367,-0.018856,-0.013889,-0.037545,-0.003904,0.00893,-0.001846,-0.045813,-0.015126,-0.001624,0.009292,-0.016501,0.00578,-0.000543,-0.010209,0.018123,-0.006081,-0.006411,0.012131,-0.00025,-0.003462,-0.004314,-0.004097,0.003233
Russia_North_Caucasus_MBA:KBD001,0.124067,0.102568 ,0,0.058463,-0.041854,0.028726,0.004465,-0.006,-0.053176,-0.054306,-0.000325,0.005095,-0.012785,-0.020919,0.02538,-0.008353,-0.00339,0.000633,-0.001634,0.009379,0.006489,0.005193,0.004314,0.004 579,0.003592
Russia_North_Caucasus_MBA:KDC001,0.108132,0.125926 ,-0.067505,-0.039083,-0.055703,-0.00502,0.01081,-0.005538,-0.077719,-0.036994,0,0.008093,-0.023934,-0.000688,0.005293,-0.023336,0.011474,-0.001267,-0.015587,0.021135,0.013851,0.001237,0.001232,-0.014098,-0.008382
Russia_North_Caucasus_MBA:KDC002,0.102441,0.142174 ,-0.06675,-0.029393,-0.051086,-0.000837,0.015276,-0.007154,-0.075674,-0.030616,0.001299,0.018733,-0.028097,0.000138,0.004479,-0.018165,0.014212,0.000253,-0.005405,0.017133,0.021961,-0.003586,-0.009983,-0.015303,-0.000599
Russia_North_Caucasus:BU2001,0.117238,0.096475,0.0 27153,0.088502,-0.040315,0.034025,0.015041,0.003461,-0.053994,-0.072348,-0.004384,-0.001499,-0.000297,-0.026974,0.042616,0.007425,0.015776,0.006714,0.002 011,-0.002001,-0.001747,0.001855,0.008751,0.020967,-0.010418
Russia_North_Caucasus:GW1001,0.119514,0.088351,0.0 23759,0.101099,-0.045239,0.043507,0.008225,-0.006,-0.064016,-0.070161,0.001461,0.001199,0.001784,-0.027112,0.037187,0.017104,0.012386,-0.003421,0.001508,0.005002,-0.004742,0.011376,0.018364,0.023377,-0.005149
Russia_North_Caucasus:LYG001,0.1161,0.09546,0.0279 07,0.10013,-0.0397,0.04518,0.007755,-0.004615,-0.062789,-0.067974,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.00669,-0.016377,0.043702,0.002254,-0.009909,0,-0.00352,0.00988,-0.008735,0.007296,0.016762,0.016388,-0.004431
Russia_North_Caucasus:MK5009,0.1161,0.093429,0.012 445,0.09367,-0.027082,0.036256,0.013866,-0.001846,-0.05604,-0.072894,-0.000162,0.002698,0.003865,-0.006055,0.03298,0.019888,0.010431,-0.004814,-0.007668,0.006753,-0.001248,0.001607,0.007148,0.014821,-0.005508
Russia_North_Caucasus:RK1003,0.125205,0.078196,0.0 37712,0.101745,-0.032621,0.043786,0.011045,-0.006923,-0.058903,-0.073077,0.008769,-0.009741,-0.01219,-0.014038,0.025651,0.025457,0.020861,0.006841,0.007 668,0.016008,-0.001497,0.00779,0.012202,0.006868,0.000359
Russia_NorthCaucasus_EBA:PG2002,0.121791,0.079211, 0.036581,0.089148,-0.041238,0.032909,0.013631,-0.009923,-0.051745,-0.072712,0.001786,-0.009741,-0.01115,-0.01968,0.026873,0.009414,0.0103,0.000633,-0.005531,0.014007,-0.013851,0.007666,0.003574,0.016026,-0.010059


With ANCIENT only NO ADC & .25x ADC change:


Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 1.9831% / 0.01983062
50.4 Northern.v3
40.0 Western.v3
9.6 Russia_North_Caucasus

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 1.9831% / 0.01983062 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Northern.v3
40.0 Western.v3
9.6 Russia_North_Caucasus

Target: SC_Official_AVE_Scaled
Distance: 2.0586% / 0.02058582 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.2 Northern.v3
26.0 Western.v3
7.8 Lak

celticdragongod
07-27-2025, 11:02 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03322635 Northern.v3
0.04546123 Western.v3
0.06862961 Eastern.v3
0.09302647 Southern.v3
0.14244594 Kumyk:GRC11053359
0.14246039 Kumyk:GRC11053362
0.14519862 Kumyk:kumyks97
0.14587979 Avar:DAG-515
0.14616735 Avar:DAG-477
0.14671131 Tabasaran:DAG-122
0.14680368 Tabasaran:DAG-127
0.14793489 Tabasaran:DAG-178
0.14814719 Lak:DAG-376
0.14874038 Tabasaran:DAG-147
0.14875020 Lak:DAG397_lak
0.14891790 Akhvakh:GRC10044901
0.14899992 Lak:GRC11053469
0.14901424 Akhvakh:GRC10044896
0.14905429 Lak:GRC11053324
0.14924054 Lak:GRC11053326
0.14924613 Avar:GRC10044947_Avar558
0.14925934 Chamalin:GRC10047507
0.14948762 Lak:GRC11053322
0.14952695 Kabardin:Kab-16
0.14968769 Chamalin:GRC10047494

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5761% / 0.02576081
63.8 Northern.v3
35.6 Western.v3
0.6 Avar

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5779% / 0.02577899 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5779% / 0.02577899 | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5779% / 0.02577899 | ADC: 1x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.3226% / 0.03322635 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Northern.v3

chinshen
07-27-2025, 11:34 PM
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ScandinavianCelt
07-28-2025, 12:07 AM
142096142097142098

What do you get on the modern only?

chinshen
07-28-2025, 12:13 AM
What do you get on the modern only?

142099142100

ScandinavianCelt
07-28-2025, 12:23 AM
142099142100

Your family is coming straight out of the Caucasus?

chinshen
07-28-2025, 12:28 AM
Your family is coming straight out of the Caucasus?

Not exactly, but close enough (Eastern Anatolia).

Rhegion
07-28-2025, 12:54 PM
Target: Me
Distance: 3.1181% / 0.03118135
57.2 Southern.v3
22.8 Armenian_Urfa
20.0 Armenian_Aintab

Target: Dad
Distance: 3.3206% / 0.03320609
56.4 Southern.v3
43.2 Armenian_Urfa
0.4 Armenian_Aintab

Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 2.8386% / 0.02838607
59.4 Southern.v3
23.6 Armenian_Urfa
17.0 Armenian_Aintab

Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 3.5878% / 0.03587777
54.0 Southern.v3
40.6 Armenian_Urfa
5.4 Armenian_Aintab

Target: Cousin
Distance: 3.0251% / 0.03025104
51.4 Southern.v3
44.0 Armenian_Urfa
4.6 Armenian_Aintab

Beowulf
07-28-2025, 01:07 PM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0196% / 0.01961301
72.8 Western.v3
27.2 Southern.v3

Opie
07-28-2025, 01:14 PM
Target: Opie_scaled
Distance: 1.3747% / 0.01374689
36.6 Kabardin
31.0 Kumyk
11.8 Georgian_Meskheti
10.6 Southern.v3
5.6 Azerbaijani_Republic_Agjabedi
2.6 Georgian_Megr
1.6 Armenian_Syunik
0.2 Abkhasian

Altaylardan Tunaya
07-28-2025, 01:29 PM
Target: Ice_scaled
Distance: 2.2357% / 0.02235718
32.6 Azerbaijani_Republic_Agjabedi
31.6 Kumyk
26.2 Azerbaijani_Iran_EastAz
3.6 Azerbaijani_Iran_WestAz_Maku
3.4 Southern.v3
2.6 Eastern.v3

cass
07-28-2025, 04:48 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 2.2596% / 0.02259578
77.4 Northern.v3
16.0 Eastern.v3
6.6 Southern.v3


There is no change when adding Caucasian samples or increasing the number of cycles.

Xavier727
07-28-2025, 06:31 PM
Distance to: scaled
0.03367773 Northern.v3
0.04591622 Western.v3
0.06253821 Eastern.v3
0.09029170 Southern.v3
0.13569872 Kumyk:GRC11053362
0.13647971 Kumyk:GRC11053359
0.13726379 Tabasaran:DAG-178
0.13855983 Avar:DAG-477
0.13883538 Tabasaran:DAG-127
0.13936587 Avar:DAG-515
0.13968301 Kumyk:kumyks97
0.13968659 Lak:DAG-376
0.13996770 Lak:DAG397_lak
0.14071036 Tabasaran:DAG-122
0.14091414 Akhvakh:GRC10044895
0.14098761 Chamalin:GRC10047507
0.14110267 Avar:GRC10047516_Avar629
0.14142890 Avar:GRC10047519_Avar639
0.14144372 Lak:GRC11053322
0.14174238 Akhvakh:GRC10044896
0.14175180 Tabasaran:GS000014363
0.14211487 Lak:GRC11053312
0.14272042 Lak:GRC11053326
0.14278529 Avar:DAG-474
0.14291794 Tabasaran:DAG-147



Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4492% / 0.02449199
63.6 Northern.v3
29.4 Western.v3
7.0 Tabasaran


Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4492% / 0.02449199 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Northern.v3
29.4 Western.v3
7.0 Tabasaran


Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4492% / 0.02449199 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.6 Northern.v3
29.4 Western.v3
7.0 Tabasaran


Target: scaled
Distance: 2.6435% / 0.02643535 | ADC: 1x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

Target: scaled
Distance: 3.3678% / 0.03367773 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Northern.v3

Target: MichaelDavies_scaled
Distance: 2.6435% / 0.02643535 | ADC: 1x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

gixajo
07-28-2025, 07:08 PM
No differences with just 4 or all the references.

https://i.imgur.com/cYzKAHh.png

ScandinavianCelt
07-28-2025, 11:22 PM
Distance to: scaled
0.03367773 Northern.v3
0.04591622 Western.v3
0.06253821 Eastern.v3
0.09029170 Southern.v3
0.13569872 Kumyk:GRC11053362
0.13647971 Kumyk:GRC11053359
0.13726379 Tabasaran:DAG-178
0.13855983 Avar:DAG-477
0.13883538 Tabasaran:DAG-127
0.13936587 Avar:DAG-515
0.13968301 Kumyk:kumyks97
0.13968659 Lak:DAG-376
0.13996770 Lak:DAG397_lak
0.14071036 Tabasaran:DAG-122
0.14091414 Akhvakh:GRC10044895
0.14098761 Chamalin:GRC10047507
0.14110267 Avar:GRC10047516_Avar629
0.14142890 Avar:GRC10047519_Avar639
0.14144372 Lak:GRC11053322
0.14174238 Akhvakh:GRC10044896
0.14175180 Tabasaran:GS000014363
0.14211487 Lak:GRC11053312
0.14272042 Lak:GRC11053326
0.14278529 Avar:DAG-474
0.14291794 Tabasaran:DAG-147



Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4492% / 0.02449199
63.6 Northern.v3
29.4 Western.v3
7.0 Tabasaran


Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4492% / 0.02449199 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Northern.v3
29.4 Western.v3
7.0 Tabasaran


Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4492% / 0.02449199 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.6 Northern.v3
29.4 Western.v3
7.0 Tabasaran


Target: scaled
Distance: 2.6435% / 0.02643535 | ADC: 1x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

Target: scaled
Distance: 3.3678% / 0.03367773 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Northern.v3

Target: MichaelDavies_scaled
Distance: 2.6435% / 0.02643535 | ADC: 1x RC
64.2 Northern.v3
35.8 Western.v3

Which Tabasaran sample do you get at no ADC?