What Would You Do To Transform The Church To Save The West?

[The Dragonslayer]

This is something I was thinking about today. If a new pope was elected and he called a council to reform the Church and you were asked to head it, what would be the changes you would make to the Church? The pontiff wants to reform and revitalize the Church so that it can help empower Western Civilization. Your thoughts?

[Æmeric]

The Roman Church wouldn't do that, it is a univeral church. They are strong advocates for open borders. It would nice if the Protestant Churches would adopt a mantel of nationalism as tribal folk churches. There are national Prostestant Churches such as the Church of England, Church of Sweden etc... but they have become irrelevant, adopting new age multicultural idealogy.

[The Dragonslayer]

Oh yeah. Look I know it's not going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen among many of the Protestants either. Most of them are open borders. They all want to hold hands with the world and sing campfire songs. I think Christianity as a whole needs a shot in the arm. My question was more of a "what if?" scenario. Know what I mean. If a new pope had elected and he ended up having a more Eurocentric view of the world. He wanted to make the Church strong and vibrant again. He wanted to take things back to when the Church and Western Civilization ruled the world. That sort of thing.

[Johnny Bravo]

Ultimately, Xianity must perish. Anything else is just loser talk or a cop-out. :coffee:

[Vulpix]

Folks, The Dragonslayer is asking you what you would do in the hypothetical situation he described.

[The Dragonslayer]

Folks, The Dragonslayer is asking you what you would do in the hypothetical situation he described.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was asking. I know it's not going to happen. It would shock me if it did. Obviously if a Pope came along who did plan to reform the Church, he's not going to be asking any of us for advice. lol This was totally a hypothetical thing. It would be if I asked what advice would you give the President of the United States if he asked you on how to reform this country. That sort of thing.

[Alison]

As a Roman Catholic who doesn't have blinkers on, i would say, for the time being:

Encourage the use of condoms
Allow divorced Catholics to remarry and partake of Communion
Abolish confession and absolution

[Æmeric]

The pontiff wants to reform and revitalize the Church so that it can help empower Western Civilization. What is civilization? As far as the Catholc Church is concerned, the Church of Rome is the bedrock of civilization. Recruiting as many new believers as possible, by coercion if necessary, has always been it's aim. To the Church leaders this has always been their way of expanding "Western Civilization". It would have to cease being a univeral church. The Universal Church as it now stands will do nothing to save Western Civilization, it would have to cease it's own existance. A transformation to a community of autonomous national/folk churches is what is needed. Maybe a Negro or Chinese pope might accomplish this if his election would lead to a major schism in the Church causing it to break apart into several ethnic based factions, each with it's own pope. Then perhaps the various national churches can revitalized their respective spheres of Western Civilization.

[DarkZarathustra]

First I don't think that Christianity could save the West.

But as a huge percentage of our people still remain Christians I advice to renew it with spirite of Crusade...if it's possible in the modernity.

[Lenny]

I agree with AEmeric in that "The [Roman] Church" is not concerned with the blood-integrity of any group of people (let alone of Europeans), only with its own institutional survival. It will happily redefine "The West" to include all types of people, sooner than it will make some grandiose ethnocultural all-or-nothing last stand for the survival of racially European people.

But Draongslayer's original question is a valid one. What could the institutional churches do to promote revival. This is not a direct answer, but: The best thing that could happen would the COLLAPSE of all the soul-draining welfare systems in which our countries have been mired for decades. (This will happen anyway, in the next decades...the welfare-state financial burden will become too much and the European socialists in the halls of power wont be able to spend anymore.) Once the government stops tossing around money like a drunken sailor, the churches would step in and provide some of those social services again. This will at once draw people back to the churches and make the churches relevant social players again (right now they are just along for the ride, and are echo-chambers for the governments). As social powerplayers again, the churches will be concerned with fate of their own members ('ethnic' Swedes in ChurchofSweden's case, and so on) instead of just echoing boilerplate leftist idiocy. A glorious self-reinforcing cycle. :)

[Johnny Bravo]

I agree with AEmeric in that "The [Roman] Church" is not concerned with the blood-integrity of any group of people (let alone of Europeans), only with its own institutional survival.

And what did I say in the thread where you started bitching at me? :sad_shakefist:


As social powerplayers again, the churches will be concerned with fate of their own members ('ethnic' Swedes in ChurchofSweden's case, and so on) instead of just echoing boilerplate leftist idiocy. A glorious self-reinforcing cycle. :)

Yeah, right. They will gladly allow people to immigrate, join their church and become naturalised as long as it will boost their ranks. :rolleyes2:

[Alison]

Back to the topic at hand.

I'd allow priests to marry.
I'd make it mandatory for the Church to expose kiddy fiddlers.