View Full Version : separate real nordic from pseudo germanic and celtic calc, also slavs, balkans etc
JohnDoe22
09-05-2025, 05:51 PM
Sloveni:PCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA,0.133173,0.123895,0. 073539,0.07752,0.042469,0.018686,0.00611,0.017307,-0.00634,-0.021139,0.00406,-0.003147,0.015758,0.029589,-0.016694,0.003713,-0.004172,0.004434,0.002137,-0.003126,-0.012977,-0.007296,0.013434,-0.006989,0.005987
Sloveni:PCA0198_POL_Lad_MA,0.129758,0.138112,0.067 127,0.070414,0.042469,0.017849,0.013866,0.008307,-0.003886,-0.030798,0.000162,-0.005545,0.013974,0.009771,-0.009365,0.005038,-0.001825,0.003294,0.000377,0.006378,-0.013851,-0.01014,0.006409,-0.002048,0.002155
Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval,0.127482,0.126941,0 .061848,0.054264,0.03693,0.01757,0.00611,0.01523,-0.004909,-0.017495,0.001786,-0.008393,0.016353,0.023946,-0.018187,-0.000398,0.011213,-0.007095,0.000754,0.003126,-0.007487,-0.013354,0.011092,-0.00494,0.003113
Sloveni:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004,0.134311,0.126 941,0.089000,0.077520,0.050779,0.029284,0.000940,0 .009230,0.004909,-0.016401,0.001949,-0.008842,0.020664,0.019818,-0.006515,0.005701,0.006650,0.001900,0.008170,0.007 128,-0.010731,-0.000989,0.003451,-0.014942,-0.003712
Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval,0.128100,0.129900,0.068 200,0.060800,0.037100,0.021400,0.006800,0.010200,-0.003400,-0.020700,0.001500,-0.004100,0.015600,0.024200,-0.009800,0.002300,0.006500,-0.001200,0.004400,0.000100,-0.006200,-0.003100,0.004100,-0.002800,0.001900
Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638,0.136588,0.153345,0.03243 2,0.005491,0.039392,0.006693,0.004935,0.007154,0.0 12885,0.028976,-0.002761,0.01079,-0.019177,-0.009771,0.001493,-0.000928,0.007041,0.005701,0.009176,-0.004127,-0.005241,0.001484,0.005669,-0.007712,-0.000718
Iliri:Montenegro_Roman,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191
Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691,0.127482,0.151314,0.04487 7,0.006137,0.042162,-0.001116,-0.001175,0.000231,0.017385,0.028611,0.000487,0.009 142,-0.01665,-0.011423,0.004614,-0.003447,0.001434,0.004434,0.001383,-0.000375,-0.000624,0.008408,-0.001479,0,0
Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728,0.121791,0.151314,0.042992 ,-0.001938,0.042469,-0.009203,-0.00376,0.003,0.019634,0.027335,-0.002111,0.009591,-0.011744,-0.001376,0.005157,-0.011403,-0.011343,-0.00038,0.000377,-0.002751,-0.003993,0.013973,-0.007765,0.003133,-0.007305
Tracani:BGR_RomByz,0.114961,0.180764,0.000754,-0.055556,0.023081,-0.02008,-0.00611,0.000462,0.017998,0.043737,-0.008607,0.001649,-0.024678,-0.017616,-0.021444,-0.00716,0.020079,-0.013302,-0.006913,-0.004752,-0.013227,0.016075,-0.006655,0.023377,-0.008981
Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA,0.130897,0.148267, 0.084098,0.064277,0.047393,0.021753,0.014806,0.009 923,-0.008385,-0.016401,-0.013965,-0.007493,-0.003865,-0.012248,0.022122,0.009812,0.00013,0.004054,-0.009176,-0.000375,0.004118,-0.000124,-0.007641,0.011809,0.010418
Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA,0.134311,0.14 6236,0.086359,0.066861,0.051086,0.023705,0.016456, 0.010384,-0.007159,-0.01549,-0.012342,-0.008392,-0.003086,-0.013095,0.023344,0.010731,0.000378,0.004674,-0.00955,-0.001251,0.004742,-0.000866,-0.007766,0.012294,0.010418
Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA,0.129200,0.146800,0. 085100,0.063500,0.046900,0.021600,0.014700,0.01010 0,-0.008400,-0.016200,-0.013900,-0.007400,-0.003900,-0.012200,0.022000,0.009800,0.000100,0.004000,-0.009200,-0.000400,0.004100,-0.000100,-0.007600,0.011800,0.010400
Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene,0.12862,0.141159,0. 037712,0.005814,0.036314,-0.004462,0.006345,0.003923,0.012476,0.025513,-0.002111,0.001649,-0.008622,-0.001651,-0.008143,0.000663,0.009909,-0.004307,-0.001131,-0.011255,-0.008485,0.009645,0.003697,-0.001084,-0.001078
Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene,0.121791,0.148267,0.0 36204,0.000646,0.041546,-0.007809,-0.007285,-0.002769,0.008181,0.029522,0.001137,0.007343,-0.015461,0.000688,-0.008143,-0.014983,-0.014864,0.002407,0.006285,-0.006128,-0.005615,0.005441,-0.001479,0.001325,0.004311
Kelti:Galo_Romans,0.126344,0.140143,0.049403,0.016 796,0.041238,0.004741,0.00564,0.002308,0.011453,0. 014579,-0.007957,0.005395,-0.01115,-0.00055,0.008822,-0.009149,-0.013169,0.006461,0.002137,-0.009755,-0.003369,0.002473,-0.001725,-0.002048,0.006706
Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2),0.0227645,0.1 41666,-0.0371465,-0.1406675,0.030775,-0.0787865,-0.023031,-0.01823,0.1154535,0.001731,0.0306105,-0.023904,0.0789385,0.000826,0.0147935,0.0102755,-0.017341,0.00057,-0.019609,0.0398315,0.0020585,0.00136,-0.00265,-0.002229,0.008502
Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1),-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.032621,-0.039602,-0.033607,0.009923,0.090604,0.031345,0.011367,-0.012289,0.026164,-0.015689,0.025515,-0.017369,0.00013,-0.026985,-0.055559,0.007504,-0.013476,-0.045257,0.023294,-0.014098,0.012334
Turkic_Azija:DA228_KAZ_Turkic,0.0774,-0.103584,0.038089,0.007752,0.002462,0.004741,0.003 76,0.011307,-0.010022,-0.005285,-0.024683,-0.008992,-0.005649,-0.011836,0.001629,0.002917,0.004303,-0.000127,-0.002263,0.001751,-0.006239,0.010387,0.001725,0.007712,0.005149
JohnDoe22
09-05-2025, 05:53 PM
Distance to: JohnDoe
0.04654730 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.04767687 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.04932905 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.05075342 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.06078876 Sloveni:PCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.06088560 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.06168420 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.06457075 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.06772211 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.07116107 Sloveni:PCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.07468562 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.07504686 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.07684493 Sloveni:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.07900606 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.09397610 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.13591347 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.25689379 Turkic_Azija:DA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.27731086 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.28548890 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Target: JohnDoe
Distance: 0.9486% / 0.00948571
57.0 Sloveni
23.2 Iliri
10.4 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
9.4 Tracani
JohnDoe22
09-05-2025, 06:01 PM
the goal is to determine the real nordic germanic influence among the slavs, if there is any, to distribute it between continental celtic and nordic, because in many slavs poseudo germanic appears, it is also not bad for checking exoticism, as well as overall slavic genetics
noricum
09-05-2025, 06:09 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 1.6634% / 0.01663402
53.0 Kelti
22.6 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
18.0 Sloveni
4.8 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
1.0 Iliri_Croatia_EIA
0.6 Iliri
Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.04382193 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.04630106 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.05130826 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.05444719 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.06145536 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.06374399 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.06814948 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.06833365 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.06918074 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.06933787 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.07051921 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.07154918 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.07157639 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.07333827 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.10761935 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.15167150 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.25967512 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.28398288 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.29603155 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Rod prastari svi smo, a Goti mi nismo...
Duan
09-05-2025, 06:20 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9375% / 0.01937495
36.0 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
34.6 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
22.4 Sloveni:CA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
7.0 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
JohnDoe22
09-05-2025, 06:35 PM
I'm not sure why he separates the Slavs like that here, instead of counting them all together
try from here
https://pastebin.com/CrW3TNwD
nrinehi
09-05-2025, 06:39 PM
Distance to: nrinehi
0.03589891 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.03733413 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.04184387 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.04230736 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.04721562 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.07952521 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.07967703 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.08070710 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.09574930 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.11284456 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.11981470 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.12043611 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.12131852 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.12381233 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.15466053 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.19895149 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.26353105 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.30969990 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.32748820 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Target: nrinehi
Distance: 3.3196% / 0.03319577
46.2 Sloveni
38.2 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
9.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
6.4 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
By using the update:
Target: nrinehi
Distance: 3.3196% / 0.03319577
100.0 Sloveni
Wandal
09-05-2025, 07:46 PM
the goal is to determine the real nordic germanic influence among the slavs, if there is any, to distribute it between continental celtic and nordic, because in many slavs poseudo germanic appears, it is also not bad for checking exoticism, as well as overall slavic genetics
Your goal is based on wrong information.
"Slavic" "Germanic" "Celtic" are all just misdirections. Slavs never called themselves Slavs, Celts were a Caucasian race, and Germanic means "Brothers" in Latin because in Latium they saw the northern tribes as being of the same racial origin (and that is your hint).
I recommend the books by L.A. Waddell.
JohnDoe22
09-05-2025, 08:11 PM
Your goal is based on wrong information.
"Slavic" "Germanic" "Celtic" are all just misdirections. Slavs never called themselves Slavs, Celts were a Caucasian race, and Germanic means "Brothers" in Latin because in Latium they saw the northern tribes as being of the same racial origin (and that is your hint).
I recommend the books by L.A. Waddell.
good, but you can certainly see the distribution of northern genetics
Duan
09-05-2025, 11:43 PM
I'm not sure why he separates the Slavs like that here, instead of counting them all together
try from here
https://pastebin.com/CrW3TNwD
It is option on Vahaduo - aggregate YES or NO
Here is aggregate - YES
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9375% / 0.01937495
58.4 Sloveni
34.6 Iliri
7.0 Kelti
ScandinavianCelt
09-06-2025, 12:01 AM
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.8280% / 0.02827976
47.0 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
22.8 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
12.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
8.0 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
7.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
2.8 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
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Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.8280% / 0.02827976 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.0 Nordic_Scandi
22.8 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
12.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
8.0 Iliri
7.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
2.8 Sloveni
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.8822% / 0.02882153 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.4 Nordic_Scandi
30.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
15.0 Sloveni
6.4 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 3.4131% / 0.03413093 | ADC: 1x RC
42.6 Nordic_Scandi
39.2 Kelti
18.2 Sloveni
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 3.5928% / 0.03592777 | ADC: 2x RC
54.6 Nordic_Scandi
45.4 Kelti
celticdragongod
09-06-2025, 12:51 AM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.05460582 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.05585707 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.05612433 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.05859831 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.06965122 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.07007418 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.07050682 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.07596500 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.07724522 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.07883429 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.08028359 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.08260115 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.08308075 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.08353224 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.12225746 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.15991028 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.25721196 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.29193980 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.30794302 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 0.0339% / 0.03392842
49.5 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
18.2 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
14.3 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
6.9 Kelti:Galo_Romans
6.5 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
3.9 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.7 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03597144 47.00% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA + 53.00% Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.03626697 48.80% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA + 51.20% Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.03630335 49.00% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA + 51.00% Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.03717505 62.20% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA + 37.80% Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.03760220 38.40% Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638 + 61.60% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.03772562 38.80% Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728 + 61.20% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.03775682 64.40% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA + 35.60% Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.03777876 64.20% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA + 35.80% Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.03777940 43.00% Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691 + 57.00% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.03783751 40.40% Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638 + 59.60% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.03786761 40.80% Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691 + 59.20% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.03787643 38.60% Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638 + 61.40% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.03794642 41.00% Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691 + 59.00% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.03817517 36.80% Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728 + 63.20% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.03817523 36.60% Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728 + 63.40% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.04105915 61.60% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA + 38.40% Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.04107719 64.00% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA + 36.00% Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.04111486 63.80% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA + 36.20% Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.04214190 26.20% Iliri:Montenegro_Roman + 73.80% Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.04280591 38.00% SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA + 62.00% Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.04297335 23.80% Iliri:Montenegro_Roman + 76.20% Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.04299164 24.00% Iliri:Montenegro_Roman + 76.00% Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.04377482 31.80% SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004 + 68.20% Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.04417274 50.20% SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA + 49.80% Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.04556542 36.40% Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval + 63.60% Kelti:Galo_Romans
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 09:43 AM
It is option on Vahaduo - aggregate YES or NO
Here is aggregate - YES
Target: Duan_scaled
Distance: 1.9375% / 0.01937495
58.4 Sloveni
34.6 Iliri
7.0 Kelti
Target: JohnDoe
Distance: 0.9486% / 0.00948555
24.6 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
24.6 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
19.8 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
10.4 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
9.6 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
7.6 Sloveni:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
3.4 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
I got it :)
Gannicus
09-06-2025, 11:55 AM
I’ll try this out later.
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 12:31 PM
even when I put modern German patterns for the regions, I always get 7-10% of these old Scandinavian patterns
I guess calculator works really good.
It also shows that nordic admix is semething very old in my case, mybe even caried in some slavic tribes.
gixajo
09-06-2025, 02:04 PM
90.2% Illyrian here.
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.0912% / 0.02091152
56.8 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
23.8 Iliri_Croatia_EIA
9.6 Iliri
5.0 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
4.8 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02509861 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.03017939 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.03997744 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.04218022 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.04338905 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.04497285 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.07577381 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.10559935 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.10591585 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.10597054 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.10912566 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.10947693 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.10948212 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.11556757 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.12490811 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.12730233 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.24839854 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.25764604 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
0.26921187 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
Rędwald
09-06-2025, 02:07 PM
Target: Rędwald
Distance: 2.2237% / 0.02223722
31.8 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
29.8 Kelti
12.0 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
10.8 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
8.4 Iliri_Croatia_EIA
7.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
Distance to: Rędwald
0.04258623 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.06111190 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.06173036 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.06180717 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.06430059 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.06568193 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.06740007 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.07037392 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.07087277 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.07154313 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.07260748 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.07282790 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.08013706 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.08122148 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.11247003 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.15346439 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.24398181 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.28224264 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.29645851 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Xavier727
09-06-2025, 02:43 PM
Target: JamesHolden_scaled
Distance: 2.3704% / 0.02370403
53.6 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
17.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
14.8 Iliri
8.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
3.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
3.0 Nordic_Scandi
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.3704% / 0.02370403 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.6 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
17.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
14.8 Iliri
8.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
3.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
3.0 Nordic_Scandi
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4355% / 0.02435507 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.6 Nordic_Scandi
19.0 Iliri
11.4 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
7.8 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
1.2 Sloveni
Target: scaled
Distance: 3.4887% / 0.03488722 | ADC: 1x RC
59.4 Nordic_Scandi
40.6 Kelti
Target: scaled
Distance: 3.4887% / 0.03488722 | ADC: 2x RC
59.4 Nordic_Scandi
40.6 Kelti
Kostek
09-06-2025, 03:46 PM
Target: Kostek_scaled
Distance: 2.5631% / 0.02563127
90.6 Sloveni
6.2 Kelti
1.6 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
1.6 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
Target: Grandpa_scaled
Distance: 1.5923% / 0.01592339
84.8 Sloveni
14.0 Iliri
1.2 Turkic_Azija
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 04:03 PM
Target: JamesHolden_scaled
Distance: 2.3704% / 0.02370403
53.6 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
17.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
14.8 Iliri
8.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
3.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
3.0 Nordic_Scandi
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.3704% / 0.02370403 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.6 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
17.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
14.8 Iliri
8.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
3.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
3.0 Nordic_Scandi
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4355% / 0.02435507 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.6 Nordic_Scandi
19.0 Iliri
11.4 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
7.8 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
1.2 Sloveni
Target: scaled
Distance: 3.4887% / 0.03488722 | ADC: 1x RC
59.4 Nordic_Scandi
40.6 Kelti
Target: scaled
Distance: 3.4887% / 0.03488722 | ADC: 2x RC
59.4 Nordic_Scandi
40.6 Kelti
Is it known why this Asian influence appears? I see that it often appears among Westerners.
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 05:42 PM
Slavs:CA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA,0.133173,0.123895,0.073 539,0. 07752,0.042469,0.018686,0.00611,0.017307,-0.00634,-0.021139,0.00406,-0.003147,0.015758,0.029589,-0.016694,0.003713,-0.004172,0.004434,0.002137,-0.003126,-0.012977,-0.007296,0.013434,-0.006989,0.005987
Slavs:CA0198_POL_Lad_MA,0.129758,0.138112,0.067127 ,0.070 414,0.042469,0.017849,0.013866,0.008307,-0.003886,-0.030798,0.000162,-0.005545,0.013974,0.009771,-0.009365,0.005038,-0.001825,0.003294,0.000377,0.006378,-0.013851,-0.01014,0.006409,-0.002048,0.002155
Slavs:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval,0.127482,0.126941,0 .061848,0.054264,0.03693,0.01757,0.00611,0.01523,-0.004909,-0.017495,0.001786,-0.008393,0.016353,0.023946,-0.018187,-0.000398,0.011213,-0.007095,0.000754,0.003126,-0.007487,-0.013354,0.011092,-0.00494,0.003113
Slavs:EU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004,0.134311,0.126941 ,0.089 000,0.077520,0.050779,0.029284,0.000940,0.009230,0 .004909,-0.016401,0.001949,-0.008842,0.020664,0.019818,-0.006515,0.005701,0.006650,0.001900,0.008170,0.007 128,-0.010731,-0.000989,0.003451,-0.014942,-0.003712
Slavs:CZE_Early_Medieval,0.128100,0.129900,0.068 200,0.060800,0.037100,0.021400,0.006800,0.010200,-0.003400,-0.020700,0.001500,-0.004100,0.015600,0.024200,-0.009800,0.002300,0.006500,-0.001200,0.004400,0.000100,-0.006200,-0.003100,0.004100,-0.002800,0.001900
Illyrians:Croatia_EIA_I24638,0.136588,0.153345,0.0 3243 2,0.005491,0.039392,0.006693,0.004935,0.007154,0.0 12885,0.028976,-0.002761,0.01079,-0.019177,-0.009771,0.001493,-0.000928,0.007041,0.005701,0.009176,-0.004127,-0.005241,0.001484,0.005669,-0.007712,-0.000718
Illyrians:Montenegro_Roman,0.113823,0.153345,0.013 576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191
Illyrians:Slovenia_EIA:I5691,0.127482,0.151314,0.0 4487 7,0.006137,0.042162,-0.001116,-0.001175,0.000231,0.017385,0.028611,0.000487,0.009 142,-0.01665,-0.011423,0.004614,-0.003447,0.001434,0.004434,0.001383,-0.000375,-0.000624,0.008408,-0.001479,0,0
Illyrians:Croatia_EIA:I5728,0.121791,0.151314,0.04 2992 ,-0.001938,0.042469,-0.009203,-0.00376,0.003,0.019634,0.027335,-0.002111,0.009591,-0.011744,-0.001376,0.005157,-0.011403,-0.011343,-0.00038,0.000377,-0.002751,-0.003993,0.013973,-0.007765,0.003133,-0.007305
Thracians:BGR_RomByz,0.114961,0.180764,0.000754,-0.055556,0.023081,-0.02008,-0.00611,0.000462,0.017998,0.043737,-0.008607,0.001649,-0.024678,-0.017616,-0.021444,-0.00716,0.020079,-0.013302,-0.006913,-0.004752,-0.013227,0.016075,-0.006655,0.023377,-0.008981
Nordic:VK391_Telemark_IA,0.130897,0.148267, 0.084098,0.064277,0.047393,0.021753,0.014806,0.009 923,-0.008385,-0.016401,-0.013965,-0.007493,-0.003865,-0.012248,0.022122,0.009812,0.00013,0.004054,-0.009176,-0.000375,0.004118,-0.000124,-0.007641,0.011809,0.010418
Nordic:VK540_Norway_VA,0.134311,0.14 6236,0.086359,0.066861,0.051086,0.023705,0.016456, 0.010384,-0.007159,-0.01549,-0.012342,-0.008392,-0.003086,-0.013095,0.023344,0.010731,0.000378,0.004674,-0.00955,-0.001251,0.004742,-0.000866,-0.007766,0.012294,0.010418
Nordic:VK531_Norway_IA,0.129200,0.146800,0. 085100,0.063500,0.046900,0.021600,0.014700,0.01010 0,-0.008400,-0.016200,-0.013900,-0.007400,-0.003900,-0.012200,0.022000,0.009800,0.000100,0.004000,-0.009200,-0.000400,0.004100,-0.000100,-0.007600,0.011800,0.010400
Celts:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene,0.12862,0.141159,0. 037712,0.005814,0.036314,-0.004462,0.006345,0.003923,0.012476,0.025513,-0.002111,0.001649,-0.008622,-0.001651,-0.008143,0.000663,0.009909,-0.004307,-0.001131,-0.011255,-0.008485,0.009645,0.003697,-0.001084,-0.001078
Celts:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene,0.121791,0.148267,0.0 36204,0.000646,0.041546,-0.007809,-0.007285,-0.002769,0.008181,0.029522,0.001137,0.007343,-0.015461,0.000688,-0.008143,-0.014983,-0.014864,0.002407,0.006285,-0.006128,-0.005615,0.005441,-0.001479,0.001325,0.004311
Celts:Galo_Romans,0.126344,0.140143,0.049403,0.016 796,0.041238,0.004741,0.00564,0.002308,0.011453,0. 014579,-0.007957,0.005395,-0.01115,-0.00055,0.008822,-0.009149,-0.013169,0.006461,0.002137,-0.009755,-0.003369,0.002473,-0.001725,-0.002048,0.006706
Eastern_Mediterranean:Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufi an_(n=2),0.0227645,0.1 41666,-0.0371465,-0.1406675,0.030775,-0.0787865,-0.023031,-0.01823,0.1154535,0.001731,0.0306105,-0.023904,0.0789385,0.000826,0.0147935,0.0102755,-0.017341,0.00057,-0.019609,0.0398315,0.0020585,0.00136,-0.00265,-0.002229,0.008502
North_African:Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1),-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.032621,-0.039602,-0.033607,0.009923,0.090604,0.031345,0.011367,-0.012289,0.026164,-0.015689,0.025515,-0.017369,0.00013,-0.026985,-0.055559,0.007504,-0.013476,-0.045257,0.023294,-0.014098,0.012334
Turkic:A228_KAZ_Turkic,0.0774,-0.103584,0.038089,0.007752,0.002462,0.004741,0.003 76,0.011307,-0.010022,-0.005285,-0.024683,-0.008992,-0.005649,-0.011836,0.001629,0.002917,0.004303,-0.000127,-0.002263,0.001751,-0.006239,0.010387,0.001725,0.007712,0.005149
And if you like you can change turkic sample for this one Gokturk
A42801_scaled,0.026179,-0.41332,0.086738,-0.043928,-0.03416,-0.021196,0.00329,0.025845,-0.002454,0.012028,-0.029555,-0.01154,0.003865,-0.006881,0,0.008221,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.001257,0.02176,-0.01672,-0.00643,-0.012941,-0.005543,-0.000838
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 05:54 PM
try to replace this kazakh for this gokturk, if you still get so much asia, maybe there really is a real trace somewhere
Wandal
09-06-2025, 06:06 PM
even when I put modern German patterns for the regions, I always get 7-10% of these old Scandinavian patterns
I guess calculator works really good.
It also shows that nordic admix is semething very old in my case, mybe even caried in some slavic tribes.
"Slavic" tribes were "Nordic", the same as Goths.
That's why this method will not work.
You need some historical context other than "Corded Ware" "European Hunter Gather" "theory."
Kenshiro
09-06-2025, 06:28 PM
Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.6134% / 0.02613445
59.6 Iliri
21.0 Tracani
12.4 Sloveni
6.2 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.8 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.03651712 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.05618751 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.05990045 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.06384729 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.06696712 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.06767458 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.07731486 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.07866080 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.12181455 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.12741173 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.13695043 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.14211664 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.14256475 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.14664142 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.14746312 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.15559627 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.24348204 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
0.24519906 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.25606744 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 06:45 PM
"Slavic" tribes were "Nordic", the same as Goths.
That's why this method will not work.
You need some historical context other than "Corded Ware" "European Hunter Gather" "theory."
Feel free to share your theory.
Xavier727
09-06-2025, 07:12 PM
Is it known why this Asian influence appears? I see that it often appears among Westerners.
Im not really sure tbh, I'm not that well versed in population genetics, I'm sure someone else would know tho
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 07:36 PM
I’m not really sure tbh, I'm not that well versed in population genetics, I'm sure someone else would know tho
Try to replace kazah result whit this new
A42801_scaled,0.026179,-0.41332,0.086738,-0.043928,-0.03416,-0.021196,0.00329,0.025845,-0.002454,0.012028,-0.029555,-0.01154,0.003865,-0.006881,0,0.008221,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.001257,0.02176,-0.01672,-0.00643,-0.012941,-0.005543,-0.000838
And if it shows again that maybe there is something.
Kazah has some sarmatian stepe dnk i think, so maybe that was confusion.
Xavier727
09-06-2025, 07:57 PM
Try to replace kazah result whit this new
A42801_scaled,0.026179,-0.41332,0.086738,-0.043928,-0.03416,-0.021196,0.00329,0.025845,-0.002454,0.012028,-0.029555,-0.01154,0.003865,-0.006881,0,0.008221,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.001257,0.02176,-0.01672,-0.00643,-0.012941,-0.005543,-0.000838
And if it shows again that maybe there is something.
Kazah has some sarmatian stepe dnk i think, so maybe that was confusion.
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4327% / 0.02432706
35.0 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
25.6 Nordic_Scandi
22.4 Iliri
9.6 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
3.6 A42801_scaled
3.2 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.6 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4349% / 0.02434855 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.2 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
28.0 Nordic_Scandi
20.2 Iliri
13.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
3.8 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
3.6 A42801_scaled
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.4844% / 0.02484435 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.4 Nordic_Scandi
23.8 Iliri
8.4 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
3.4 A42801_scaled
2.0 Sloveni
Target: scaled
Distance: 3.4887% / 0.03488722 | ADC: 1x RC
59.4 Nordic_Scandi
40.6 Kelti
Target: scaled
Distance: 3.4887% / 0.03488722 | ADC: 2x RC
59.4 Nordic_Scandi
40.6 Kelti
Gannicus
09-06-2025, 10:50 PM
First list from the OP:
Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.05060185 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.05644603 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.06213905 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.06246356 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.06569405 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.06671902 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.06855609 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.06928139 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.07494471 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.08388342 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.08706969 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.09025041 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.09812688 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.10193067 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.11020594 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.14369989 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.25811808 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.28109357 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.29336751 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0297% / 0.02970705
51.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
41.9 Nordic_Scandi
3.9 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
3.0 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0314% / 0.03139332 | R2P
53.3 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
46.7 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
JohnDoe22
09-06-2025, 11:39 PM
First list from the OP:
Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.05060185 Kelti:Galo_Romans
0.05644603 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
0.06213905 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
0.06246356 Nordic_Scandi:VK391_Telemark_IA
0.06569405 Nordic_Scandi_Norway:VK540_Norway_VA
0.06671902 Iliri:Croatia_EIA_I24638
0.06855609 Iliri_Croatia_EIA:I5728
0.06928139 Kelti:I18529_Hungary_IA_LaTene
0.07494471 Kelti:I17139_Czech_IA_LaTene
0.08388342 Sloveni:CZE_Early_Medieval
0.08706969 SloveniCA0198_POL_Lad_MA
0.09025041 Sloveni:VK541_Ukraine_Medieval
0.09812688 SloveniEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg:KRA004
0.10193067 SloveniCA0343_POL_Ostrow_MA
0.11020594 Iliri:Montenegro_Roman
0.14369989 Tracani:BGR_RomByz
0.25811808 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
0.28109357 Tunisia_IA-Classical_Phoenician/Punic_Kerkouane_(North_African_Profile)_(n=1)
0.29336751 Israel_Epipaleolithic_Natufian_(n=2)
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0297% / 0.02970705
51.2 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA
41.9 Nordic_Scandi
3.9 Turkic_AzijaA228_KAZ_Turkic
3.0 Nordic_Scandi_Norway
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0314% / 0.03139332 | R2P
53.3 Iliri_Slovenia_EIA:I5691
46.7 Nordic_Scandi:VK531_Norway_IA
It may be more corect if we use other sample for Turkic people, I post here new g25 profile to replace Kazah Turk ( that samples had some stepe and Sarmatian infulance), this one Goturk
Is very clear turkic
A42801_scaled,0.026179,-0.41332,0.086738,-0.043928,-0.03416,-0.021196,0.00329,0.025845,-0.002454,0.012028,-0.029555,-0.01154,0.003865,-0.006881,0,0.008221,-0.002217,0.003674,-0.001257,0.02176,-0.01672,-0.00643,-0.012941,-0.005543,-0.000838
Wandal
09-07-2025, 01:26 AM
Feel free to share your theory.
You can read the books of L.A. Waddell.
The "Germans" were Alpinid tribes invaded in 950 BC by the British (Phoenicians) and that is why northern Germany is Nordic and southern Germany is Alpinid.
The Venedovians were in Central Asia after the extinction of Sanskit speakers in the Indus / Afghanistan region and moved into the Pontus region (where some of the population acquired this phenotype) before finally settling the lands from Dniester to Elbe (and even for a few centuries Schleswig-Holstein where they had a cult center).
"Celts" (Caledonians / Chaldeans) were dolicocephalic, narrow breadth crania, dark skinned dark hair,, probably originally from eastern Anatolia (western Armenia). Eventually they were absorbed by the Phoenician speakers and ironically identify today with this British language long after the British adopted Anglo Saxon.
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