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Kenshiro
10-11-2025, 06:52 AM
What could be the historical process that leads me to have Bosnian/Croatian and some Polish/Danish/Finnish/Ukrainians relatives on both Gedmatch and 23andme? Paleobalkan common DNA or Medieval influenced?
From Gargano promontory, North Apulia, South Italy

JerryS.
10-11-2025, 02:04 PM
Immigration to and from.

Nurzat
10-11-2025, 02:22 PM
in Apulia you've got everything: Celto-Italics, Ancient west shore Balkanites (Messapians), Ancient Greeks, reached by some Germanics during their raid to southern Italy, Medieval Albanians, in varying percentages, maybe even some Ancient Punic and Medieval East Med and North African pirates, who knows

Kenshiro
10-11-2025, 03:28 PM
A Croatian among the relatives seems to be my uncle's double, impressive, same phenotype, same vibes (something like a norid with alpinoid influences)
This is my update 23andme
143740
143741
I honestly think have more Albanian than other Balkans but cool, but i think my phenotype are pretty Italian or in general Western Med area with Greece included
143742
143743
143744

Kenshiro
10-11-2025, 03:33 PM
in Apulia you've got everything: Celto-Italics, Ancient west shore Balkanites (Messapians), Ancient Greeks, reached by some Germanics during their raid to southern Italy, Medieval Albanians, in varying percentages, maybe even some Ancient Punic and Medieval East Med and North African pirates, who knows

Apulia also changes a lot depending on where you are, even if the architecture and certain landscapes are quite similar everywhere (olive trees, white limestone houses etc.) I was in Salento a week ago and it was really very similar to my home town

Kenshiro
10-11-2025, 03:35 PM
Immigration to and from.

I have a strange shift to the north-east for the southern Italian average

hazmatnik
10-12-2025, 01:55 AM
What could be the historical process that leads me to have Bosnian/Croatian and some Polish/Danish/Finnish/Ukrainians relatives on both Gedmatch and 23andme? Paleobalkan common DNA or Medieval influenced?
From Gargano promontory, North Apulia, South Italy

That area was populated by Balkanites escaping Ottomans, i have bunch of cousins from C and S Italy, mostly where Balkan Slavs and Arbereshes settled.

This is map of birthplaces of my matches from.23, Ancestry and MH

https://i.postimg.cc/W3fRjXxF/Screenshot-20251011-205720-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/DJspPdvn)

Kenshiro
10-12-2025, 06:35 AM
That area was populated by Balkanites escaping Ottomans, i have bunch of cousins from C and S Italy, mostly where Balkan Slavs and Arbereshes settled.

This is map of birthplaces of my matches from.23, Ancestry and MH

https://i.postimg.cc/W3fRjXxF/Screenshot-20251011-205720-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/DJspPdvn)

Crazy, i have 9 match in Italy, 4 in Apulia, 2 even Apulia from my area but emigrated in North Italy and Switzerland, like me, i'm live in Milan (at least half of the people from my hometown live in Northern Italy, the majority near Milan) One from Romagna, and another one from internal Campania

userNa
10-12-2025, 08:36 AM
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Tacitus
10-12-2025, 06:55 PM
A Croatian among the relatives seems to be my uncle's double, impressive, same phenotype, same vibes (something like a norid with alpinoid influences)
This is my update 23andme
143740
143741
I honestly think have more Albanian than other Balkans but cool, but i think my phenotype are pretty Italian or in general Western Med area with Greece included
143742
143743
143744

Fenotipicamente mi sembra molto "meridionale".


I have a strange shift to the north-east for the southern Italian average

Tribu' illirici + albanesi e croati nel medioevo? O semplicemente l'aleatorieta' dei genetici.

Kenshiro
10-14-2025, 02:57 AM
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Bro i can't see your message

Kenshiro
10-14-2025, 02:59 AM
Fenotipicamente mi sembra molto "meridionale".



Tribu' illirici + albanesi e croati nel medioevo? O semplicemente l'aleatorieta' dei genetici.

Assolutamente, fenotipicamente dovrei essere qualcosa di tipo Gracile med-dinarizzato, penso di avere qualcosa di balcanico o simile effettivamente