What is your Y-DNA ethnicity

[Peterski]

Which category does your Y-DNA haplogroup belong to?:

(if you are not sure please ask before voting in the poll)

1. Balto-Slavic: haplogroups R1a-M458, R1a-Z280, I2a1b-Y3120
2. Celtic-Italic-Beaker: R1b-P312 (except R1b-L238), R1b-PF7589, R1b-S1194
3. Germanic: I1-M253, R1b-U106, R1b-L238, R1a-L664, R1a-Z284, Q1a2b1-L527
4. Mediterranean: G, J2, J1, E1b, T, L, H, R2, R1b-PF7562, R1b-Z2103, R1b-V88
5. Mesolithic European: haplogroups I2a1a, I2a2, I2b, I2c, C1a2-V20
6. Uralic-Baltic: haplogroup N1c
7. Indo-Iranian: haplogroup R1a-Z93
8. Other (please explain)
9. Non-European haplogroup

[Opie]

I didn’t know there was a Germanic Q haplogroup.

[Peterski]

My haplogroup is Celtic. R1b-L617 has been found in Gallic burials from Iron Age France.

[Peterski]

I didn’t know there was a Germanic Q haplogroup.

There is: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

"Q1a2b1 (L527): found almost exclusively in Scandinavia and places settled by the Vikings"

https://i.postimg.cc/QdDX1Tpy/Haplogroup-Q.png

[Annie999]

I know my father line is italic (R1b-U152) - Dont know which branch, could be proto italic, celtic, or something else (cant remember)

Edit to add my husband's Y line (hence my kids') which is R1b-L21 (Beaker)

[Peterski]

I know my father line is italic (R1b-U152) - Dont know which branch, could be proto italic, celtic, or something else (cant remember)

If it is R1b-U152 then probably either Proto-Italic or Continental Celtic, depending on exact subclade.

[Opie]

There is: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

"Q1a2b1 (L527): found almost exclusively in Scandinavia and places settled by the Vikings"

https://i.postimg.cc/QdDX1Tpy/Haplogroup-Q.png

There’s also a Jewish and Pomak Q branch.

[Rædwald]

Mesolithic, I think. The only ancient sample I've found with I-L233 (I2a1a2a1a) was in present-day Lithuania.

https://i.postimg.cc/fLX65wQg/Screenshot-2025-10-16-220145.png

I've also read it's uncommon among surnames of Norman origin, which mine is. :rolleyes:

[Gannicus]

Mediterranean:

143805

143803
143807
143804
143806
143808

[majevica]

E1b Giga Niga

[chinshen]

R1b-L23--->>L277.1 Mediterranean I guess.

[Dardanos]

R1b-M269>Z2103>Z2108>CTS9219>BY611>Z2705>Y32147>Y126039

Most likely the haplogroup of Skanderbeg, Constantine the Great, Justinian the Great and Alexander the Great.

[Peterski]

R1b-L23--->>L277.1 Mediterranean I guess.

Yes it is Mediterranean.

[The_Strategist]

CroAR1an

https://www.kavehfarrokh.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/5-Map-of-Croation-migrations-1030x747.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Which category does your Y-DNA haplogroup belong to?:

(if you are not sure please ask before voting in the poll)

1. Balto-Slavic: haplogroups R1a-M458, R1a-Z280, I2a1b-Y3120
2. Celtic-Italic-Beaker: R1b-P312 (except R1b-L238), R1b-PF7589, R1b-S1194
3. Germanic: I1-M253, R1b-U106, R1b-L238, R1a-L664, R1a-Z284, Q1a2b1-L527
4. Mediterranean: G, J2, J1, E1b, T, L, H, R2, R1b-PF7562, R1b-Z2103, R1b-V88
5. Mesolithic European: haplogroups I2a1a, I2a2, I2b, I2c, C1a2-V20
6. Uralic-Baltic: haplogroup N1c
7. Indo-Iranian: haplogroup R1a-Z93
8. Other (please explain)
9. Non-European haplogroup

Isn't all R1B Beaker/Corded Ware?

My paternal ydna is Gaelic R1b-M222.

[J. Ketch]

OG Bell Beaker
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/ae/15/ffae15af5996007fa96437aded3278fb.jpg

[Rogan]

Germanic

[Mortimer]

Albanian

https://i.ibb.co/pBP1vtqt/Screenshot-2025-10-11-09-16-41-400-com-android-chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/39sTyDKD)

[Peterski]

Isn't all R1B Beaker/Corded Ware?

No R1b-PF7562 and R1b-Z2103 moved along the southern route from the steppes directly into southeast Europe, AFAIK.

[Peterski]

CroAR1an

https://www.kavehfarrokh.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/5-Map-of-Croation-migrations-1030x747.jpg

Bullshit map, has nothing to do with reality.

[tk'es]

https://www.medecc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Mediterranean_Sea_satellite-photo.jpg

[Nurzat]

Mediterranean by the poll, maybe Jewish irl, who knows: I don't know the subclade, it's J2a1b3 at higher level, J-Z467.

ethnically dad is Ukrainian (Northern Carpathian Ruthenian)

[Dušan]

Slavic

[black hole]

Wait. Aren't L, H, R2 supposed to be South Asian? These are not common among Mediterranean populations, and even absent.

[Opie]

Wait. Aren't L, H, R2 supposed to be South Asian? These are not common among Mediterranean populations, and even absent.

I agree it's better to take those out of the Mediterranean group except L.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/1200px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png

[black hole]

I agree it's better to take those out of the Mediterranean group except L.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/1200px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png



Even if L exists in Mediterranean, it would be extremely minor and super insignificant. I could not find any source of L presence in that region, except some groups like Lebanon Druze, Pontic Greeks, Armenians and Syrians. L is a very typical South Asian and Central Asian HG.
I would fix Mediterranean to: G, J2, J1, E1b, T, R1b-PF7562, R1b-Z2103, R1b-V88

[Grace O'Malley]

No R1b-PF7562 and R1b-Z2103 moved along the southern route from the steppes directly into southeast Europe, AFAIK.

Aren't all the R1b subclades from R1b-L51? Anyway I don't think R1b-L21 had a southern route.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrJV2DWP/Screenshot-2025-10-17-224853.png

[leachim_x]

My haplogroup is Celtic. R1b-L617 has been found in Gallic burials from Iron Age France.

Hey Pete. Do you know any detail about R-S14328? I don't understand haplogroups very well and can only find vague and unspecific information.

[Opie]

Even if L exists in Mediterranean, it would be extremely minor and super insignificant. I could not find any source of L presence in that region, except some groups like Lebanon Druze, Pontic Greeks, Armenians and Syrians. L is a very typical South Asian and Central Asian HG.
I would fix Mediterranean to: G, J2, J1, E1b, T, R1b-PF7562, R1b-Z2103, R1b-V88

In that case, you might as well remove T as well. It’s as minor as L.

[Opie]

Hey Pete. Do you know any detail about R-S14328? I don't understand haplogroups very well and can only find vague and unspecific information.

It’s Germanic.

[Impaler]

North Caucasian.

[Andullero]

Celtic-Italic- Beaker.

[Andullero]

I know my father line is italic (R1b-U152) - Dont know which branch, could be proto italic, celtic, or something else (cant remember)



Ditto. So is Erronkari/Mr. Wog.

[nittionia]

J2b2 so Mediterranean/Illyrian I guess

[black hole]

In that case, you might as well remove T as well. It’s as minor as L.





T is not a major haplogroup anywhere in the world or play a significant role anywhere, but its high concentration might be in Eastern Africa. Hopefully, Peterski fix it in order to show accuracy.

[Opie]

T is not a major haplogroup anywhere in the world or play a significant role anywhere, but its high concentration might be in Eastern Africa.

Yes.

Even though they have a cultural, linguistic and genetic connection with Arabian Peninsula, I think East Africa cannot be considered Mediterranean. It lies along the Indian Ocean and their ancestry is very SSA.

[Scandal]

According to morley: I2 [I2-PF3634 (I2-PF3623, I2-PF3664)]

[hazmatnik]

Mediterranean.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Mine: R1a-M458->L260->YP1337

[Nisko]

My paternal line is downstream of R-L21-> Z39589, so I guess I'm a Beaker boy.

[Beowulf]

I believe my haplogroup was common among Pyrennaic people during the iron age

[black hole]

This thread is boring without pictures.




https://i.redd.it/wi5ooeyi44ka1.jpg

https://64.media.tumblr.com/d1270c65b2f07f345fb3b33e89a055e8/tumblr_nbwhzcB7711rasnq9o1_1280.jpg

https://languagesoftheworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Balanovsky_map1.jpg

https://i.redd.it/3xdq22qeek731.png

https://thedockyards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Europe_Y-DNA_map.jpg

[Luke35]

Although I have a Baltic/Uralic haplogroup (N1c), the majority of people with my subclade are Polish. My subclade developed after a migration from the Baltic region to what is now Poland, probably over 1,500 years ago.

Ended up being carried by a Hungarian man born in what is now Western Ukraine -- my great-grandfather.

https://i.imgur.com/ew3tl7J.png

[Peterski]

Aren't all the R1b subclades from R1b-L51? Anyway I don't think R1b-L21 had a southern route.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrJV2DWP/Screenshot-2025-10-17-224853.png

No, R1b-PF7562 and R1b-Z2103 are not descended from R1b-L51, as even your map shows.


Hey Pete. Do you know any detail about R-S14328? I don't understand haplogroups very well and can only find vague and unspecific information.

Try these tools, it seems your haplogroup emerged somewhere near Belgium in the Bronze Age:

https://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

https://phylogeographer.com/snp-lookup/

https://hras.yseq.net/hras.php?dna_type=y&map_type=alpha&hg=R-S14328

[Bula]

J-L283. From Illyrians. Specifically J-PH4679 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH4679/

[Dick]

Atlantean

https://i.imgur.com/zyAif9r.png

[Luke35]

Atlantean

Shipwreck??

[Siginulfo]

Capsian>Berber>Punic.

[Rhegion]

I'm "J-FGC54172" on FTDNA, but on YFull i got a more recent clade named "J-Y281021" (2700 ybp, TMRCA 1000 ybp), which also includes another kit, but unfortunately it doesn't specify the area it comes from. I generally think that, like many other subclades under J-L70, my line originated during the iron age somewhere in Greece/Aegean, Anatolia or the Levant, and later reached Southern Italy through maritime routes and/or the Greek colonies and Phoenicians. Then, until the formation of the more recent medieval subclade, it likely expanded during the Roman Imperial period, and possibly continued to consolidate into the Byzantine era.

https://i.postimg.cc/Vz9H77rB/Screenshot-2025-10-17-at-10-00-13-Family-Tree-DNA-Discover-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-J-FGC54172.png
https://i.postimg.cc/k7Nhjj6w/Screenshot-2025-10-17-at-09-54-30-Family-Tree-DNA-Discover-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-J-FGC54172.png
https://i.postimg.cc/rwgjqP58/Screenshot-2025-10-17-at-09-57-51-Family-Tree-DNA-Discover-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-J-FGC54172.png
https://i.postimg.cc/y7hrffgD/Screenshot-2025-10-17-at-10-04-43-YFull-Hg-and-SNPs.png
https://i.postimg.cc/d3rDJ3Nd/Screenshot-2025-10-18-at-16-48-04-Theoretical-Computed-Paths-Mygrations.png

[userNa]

Y-DNA is bullshit lies. No differentiating genes on it, just some generic stuff. Ethnicity-wise it's irrelevant outside of the sphere of anthrofora. It doesn't code for shit. It's a fucking ancestral mutation that got passed on from a male ancestor somewhere, at some point, and that's it.

Stupid as shit commercial hype. fuck that shit.

[Bula]

Albanian

https://i.ibb.co/pBP1vtqt/Screenshot-2025-10-11-09-16-41-400-com-android-chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/39sTyDKD)

Many E-V13 clades have nothing to do with Albanians at all. They have entered Albanians and from there they entered Greeks, South Slavs etc.
Some clades I picked which I believe have nothing to do with actual Albanians at all:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y93395/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY169463/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT185662/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT39742/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y172393/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y84850/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y84924/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y592773/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-S10743/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y227848/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FT27670/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y160670/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y7168/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y231989/


E-V13 in general has nothing to do with actual Albanians. It has entered Albanians and from there entered other people. The Berisha-Sopi E-V13 in the north and Kosovo is nothing but a founder effect. They came from one single guy that lived only 600 years ago. Could of been any lineage. The early history of the Albanian language does not fit that of a people that were E-V13. Only clades which have in group diversity compareable to J-L283 and R1b clades can be proto-Albanian.

[Dick]

Shipwreck??

No. this one is more accurate.


https://i.imgur.com/dG0cn7G.png

[Live The Magic]

No. this one is more accurate.


https://i.imgur.com/dG0cn7G.png

Exactly. Seems like R1b had problems with R1a at the north, so our good I1 and I2 boys had to come over and save their women, but I1 decided to overuse their stay and remained there forever :cool:

[The_Strategist]

Bullshit map, has nothing to do with reality.

says who?

[Figaro]

Lechitic Balto-Slavic Pomeranian cluster here

[Bula]

Today, haplogroup E-V13 has the highest density in the world in Albanian lands. The highest percentage is found in Kosovo, Malësi, Labëri, Tirana/Durrës. Most of the main branches, such as: E-BY4459, E-Y146085, E-PH2180, etc., have begun to spread since the period of Albanian ethnogenesis, in late antiquity and the early Middle Ages.




At the branch level, there are quite large differences in the current distribution in Albanian lands. A large number of branches of E-V13 can be found in different regions, which suggests a presence in the Arbër/Albanian population since the period of ethnogenesis. Among these are E-Y173822, E-Y146085, E-BY4459, E-PH2180, E-FT17132, E-Y159601, etc. The current diversity suggests that most of these lineages must have spread from the northeast about 1400-1800 years ago.


So basically the oldest clades which have the highest in group diversity entered Albanians sometime in Late Antiquity or earlier possibly , they follow the same pattern as J-L283 clades and R1b such as R-Z2705, J-PH4679, R-Z29758. Lineages such as J-PH4679 and R-Z29758 have branches that go back 3000-4000 years, have in group diversity and represent the linguistic ancestor and oldest layer of Albanian. Even the oldest E-V13 clades entered way later and followed them way later.

https://rrenjet.com/e-v13/



Many other E-V13 clades and other J-L283 and R1b clades which are more geographically restricted could have simply lost their diversity and never managed to expand properly again after population bottlenecks.

[Bula]

Berisha-Sopi E-V13 is a founder effect, makes up one of the largest % today in the North and in Kosovo and expanded only 600 years ago where its mostly found there. Most likely scenario for such a clade is that it existed prior to its expansion in Albanians and was geographically restricted but never managed to expand again after a population bottleneck until the Late Medieval Period or the other scenario is that it simply did not enter Albanians until the Late Medieval period. There are clades and branches that are way older than this one and have older TMRCA and never even expanded as much and that are J-L283, R1b or even other E-V13 clades. It just just shows how haplogroups are also founder effects, bottlenecks. Regardless E-V13 in Albanians is a later addition compared to J-L283, R1b, I-P78 which represent the oldest layer of Albanian. E-V13 also spread to West Europe, Iberia, Italy etc during Roman Empire. As did J-L283 but J-L283 had already been spreading with Illyrians and Cetina culture since the Bronze Age.

E-V13 origin:



https://rrenjet.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Slide1.png

https://rrenjet.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Panonia1.png