Are Cypriots European genetically?

[Kross]

Why does 23andMe classify Greek Cypriots as West Asian, given that mainland Greeks can easily be modeled as half Greek Cypriot? This seems inconsistent. Mainland Greeks frequently get 100% European on 23andMe, while Greek Cypriots typically get 100% West Asian Cypriot.

https://i.imgur.com/Zs07Xgh.png

https://i.redd.it/kaco0cpp02p61.jpg

https://i.redd.it/sdvlqt8y70ce1.jpg

[Kross]

Anything below 1.0 indicates an extremely close fit, meaning almost the same population. So yes, mainland Greeks can be modeled this way.

https://i.imgur.com/vGDOJoo.png

[~Elizabeth~]

I consider Cypriots to be European.

[Kross]

I consider Cypriots to be European.

Agreed.

[Tooting Carmen]

They are a European-West Asian intermediate population, in much the same way that, to varying degrees, Kavkazians, Turks and Jews are. That Cypriots are often considered to be more 'European' than any of those other populations is more for ideological rather than objective genetic/anthropological reasons.

[TheMario]

Don't know. Are Sicilians European genetically?

[Sonny001]

Cypriots have very low Yamnaya ancestry and no WHG ancestry, so they cannot be considered European.

[Kross]

Cypriots have very low Yamnaya ancestry and no WHG ancestry, so they cannot be considered European.

Farmer ancestry is European too, imo.

[Bulkster]

I had already explained this to you:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?399345-Are-all-native-Europeans-white&p=8308827#post8308827

From a cultural point of view, absolutely. From a genetic point of view, they're not purely of European descent. To me, they are Europeans regardless of their genetics though.

[Bulkster]

I consider Cypriots to be European.

Politically and culturally, sure. Genetically by WN standards, well..

Cypriots have a distinct genetic profile reflecting their position as a genetic crossroads, with strong links to ancient populations of Anatolia, the Levant, and the Eastern Mediterranean, along with contributions from Southern Italy, the Caucasus, and Steppe peoples. Studies show Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots share significant common paternal ancestry predating the Ottoman era. Analysis also highlights genetic affinities with Southern Italians, Armenians, and Levantine populations like Lebanese Christians.
Genetic ancestry and components
Ancient farming communities: A substantial portion of Greek Cypriot ancestry (42.8%) comes from Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, with additional components from Levantine (23.2%) and Iranian Neolithic Farmers (14.2%).
European and Caucasus links: Other ancestral components include Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers (11.8%) and Yamnaya steppe peoples (8%).
Geographic continuum: Cypriot DNA shows a genetic continuum with populations across the Eastern Mediterranean, clustering with groups from Southern Italy and the Levant.
Population-specific relationships
Greek Cypriots: Closely related to populations in the Dodecanese islands of Greece, particularly Kastellorizo, Symi, and Rhodes. They also show genetic affinity with Southern Italians and Lebanese Christians.
Turkish Cypriots: Share a common pre-Ottoman paternal ancestry with Greek Cypriots. They show a slight genetic shift towards mainland Turkish populations, but overall maintain a similar Y-haplogroup distribution as Greek Cypriots, which includes a significant connection to non-Turkic Anatolian populations.
Armenian Cypriots and Maronite Cypriots: Analysis shows a closer genetic relationship between Greek Cypriots and Armenian Cypriots compared to Maronite Cypriots, though all three communities show moderate genetic differentiation from each other.

I'm asking this because you stated that you don't accept Europeans who are even 5% non-Europeans genetically. Here's their G25 model:
https://genesoftheancients.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/image-96.webp
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEh0GwJnkDUZD71muI2TFjFLOD6HBH1FKxv-lPIGVYKH6TSMNiOZi5oJ7Tz589l8Ed3wYt2MviqXXRAwyTxWtA CORc39swDsj8oZTtWBzg-P9hBS-G82ddMjNDLRjCC7lkU3GCvPcpdALkPovyeHDkYENYCXhDA4D5k nuStaARqr604m4r2ZR6vK3qyzju1U=w459-h640

[majevica]

Sure

Target: Cypriot
Distance: 1.7079% / 0.01707869
40.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
26.8 Levant_PPNB
23.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 Han


Target: Italian_Bergamo
Distance: 2.6615% / 0.02661484
60.2 TUR_Barcin_N
33.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 WHG

Same peoplz

[userNa]

Sure

Target: Cypriot
Distance: 1.7079% / 0.01707869
40.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
26.8 Levant_PPNB
23.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 Han


Target: Italian_Bergamo
Distance: 2.6615% / 0.02661484
60.2 TUR_Barcin_N
33.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 WHG

Same peoplz

Distance to: Greece_Peloponnese_N_noUDG
0.12460158 Cypriot
0.13445174 Italian_Bergamo
0.13976394 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Greece_Peloponnese_N
0.10637396 Cypriot
0.12297976 Lebanese_Christian
0.12577035 Italian_Bergamo

Distance to: Greece_NeaNikomedeia_EN.SG
0.13575194 Cypriot
0.13982122 Italian_Bergamo
0.15122967 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Greece_N.SG
0.14080350 Cypriot
0.14690658 Italian_Bergamo
0.15566950 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Greece_N
0.13670112 Cypriot
0.14879230 Italian_Bergamo
0.15086782 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Greece_MiddleMinoan
0.08224982 Cypriot
0.09535015 Lebanese_Christian
0.12758532 Italian_Bergamo

Distance to: Tiryns_IA:TIR008
0.08215553 Cypriot
0.08991372 Italian_Bergamo
0.10503720 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Greece_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA.SG
0.06427445 Cypriot
0.08533066 Lebanese_Christian
0.10448501 Italian_Bergamo

Distance to: Greece_Delphi_IA
0.06727217 Cypriot
0.08282366 Italian_Bergamo
0.09023358 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Greece_BA_Mycenaean_Pylos
0.06844033 Cypriot
0.07421075 Italian_Bergamo
0.09331464 Lebanese_Christian

[majevica]

I consider Cypriots to be European.

Then I demand Euro status for the Ashkenazim, Turks and Roma too

Distance to: English
0.14073311 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.16080718 Turkish_Konya
0.16741069 Roma_Balkans
0.16969703 Cypriot

[black hole]

Cypriots are genetically considered West Asian population, as well as their phenotype. I remember ten years ago people tried so hard to place Armenians as Europeans or put them anywhere next to Europe. Because of what? Christians and language matters.


Cypriots.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eran-Elhaik-2/publication/233929942/figure/fig3/AS:601732069466112@1520475513028/Admixture-analysis-of-Caucasus-Near-Eastern-and-Middle-Eastern-populations-The-x-axis.png




No. They are not Europeans. American ignorance and constant annoying retardation never cease to amaze me.

[Sonny001]

Don't know. Are Sicilians European genetically?

Sicilians and European Jews, along with some Greek subgroups, are intermediate between European and Near Eastern populations, though most of them fall closer to the European cluster. Cypriots are a Middle Eastern population with a South European shift.

[Repent]

Cypriots are genetically considered West Asian population, as well as their phenotype. I remember ten years ago people tried so hard to place Armenians as Europeans or put them anywhere next to Europe. Because of what? Christians and language matters.


Cypriots.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eran-Elhaik-2/publication/233929942/figure/fig3/AS:601732069466112@1520475513028/Admixture-analysis-of-Caucasus-Near-Eastern-and-Middle-Eastern-populations-The-x-axis.png




No. They are not Europeans. American ignorance and constant annoying retardation never cease to amaze me.

Do you know where I can do same graphic for my DNA Raw data file / or G25 coordinates?

[black hole]

Do you know where I can do same graphic for my DNA Raw data file / or G25 coordinates?




Those are based on G25 calculators, GEDmatch and such. Once you score a high component, moderate and low, you turn them into such graphics. I do not remember a member on TA who made these charts and maps based on calculation results. He was a Polish man.

[Repent]

Those are based on G25 calculators, GEDmatch and such. Once you score a high component, moderate and low, you turn them into such graphics. I do not remember a member on TA who made these charts and maps based on calculation results. He was a Polish man.

Thank you.

[userNa]

Cypriots are genetically considered West Asian population, as well as their phenotype.

Russian cope

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119281119

Revealing the recent demographic history of Europe via haplotype sharing in the UK Biobank


Southern Europe.
Leiden clustering yields three broad groups of clusters with southern European membership, as follows: one grouping individuals born around the eastern Mediterranean (i.e., Italy, Greece, Turkey, and Cyrpus), the Iberia Peninsula (Spain and Portugal), and finally two outgroup clusters (“Mixed European” and “Malta”).

Most sampled Greek individuals form a single cluster that in the nnls analysis is modeled as a mixture of haplotypes from neighboring southern clusters such as “Italy” and “Turkey,” but as well haplotypes from the north from NE Balkans. We observe a smaller cluster grouped with the “Greece” cluster on the dendrogram (Fig. 2) that contains all sampled Albanian individuals and also projects separately to Greece in PCA; this finding is suggestive of an additional structure that we explore in our IBD-based analyses below. Elsewhere in this branch are the majority of Cypriots, Turkish, and Italian samples grouped into their own three respective clusters. In Italy, our clustering approach does not resolve the north–south clustering previously observed (4).

https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2119281119/asset/3faf8ea0-ddc2-4fc2-9e19-d647fb0e926e/assets/images/large/pnas.2119281119fig02.jpg
https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2119281119/asset/3faf8ea0-ddc2-4fc2-9e19-d647fb0e926e/assets/images/large/pnas.2119281119fig02.jpg

Asking AI :

Question:Are Cypriots Part of the South European or West Asian Cluster?

Modern Cypriots (especially Greek Cypriots) are genetically intermediate but cluster primarily with the South European (Mediterranean) group in most autosomal analyses. They form a homogeneous domain with Aegean island Greeks (e.g., Crete, Dodecanese), southern Italians (Sicily/Calabria), and Sicilians, as shown in PCA and ADMIXTURE plots from Lazaridis et al. (2017) and Stamatoyannopoulos et al. (2017, Eur J Hum Genet). This reflects dominant Bronze Age Aegean/Anatolian ancestry (~60–70%), pulling them into the "Southern European" cline despite ~20–30% Levantine input.
However, they exhibit a "bridge" position toward West Asia:

In global PCA (e.g., 1000 Genomes/HO), Cypriots plot between southern Europeans and West Asians (Lebanese, western Turks), closer to the former but with overlap into the latter due to shared Neolithic farmer and Phoenician components.
Commercial tests (e.g., 23andMe) often assign them to "West Asian & North African" (WANA) clusters because reference panels emphasize Levantine/West Asian markers, but scientific studies (e.g., Haber et al., 2013) place them in a "Levantine Christian + South European" branch.
They lack significant Slavic/Northern European admixture (~2–3% vs. 10–20% in mainland Greeks), making them more "southern-shifted" than continental Greeks but still distinct from core West Asians (e.g., higher F_ST to Syrians than to Cretans).

In summary, Cypriots are best described as a South European population with West Asian affinities, forming the eastern edge of the Mediterranean genetic continuum. This aligns with their history as a crossroads of Aegean, Levantine, and Anatolian migrations.

[black hole]

Russian cope

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119281119

Revealing the recent demographic history of Europe via haplotype sharing in the UK Biobank



https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2119281119/asset/3faf8ea0-ddc2-4fc2-9e19-d647fb0e926e/assets/images/large/pnas.2119281119fig02.jpg
https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2119281119/asset/3faf8ea0-ddc2-4fc2-9e19-d647fb0e926e/assets/images/large/pnas.2119281119fig02.jpg

Asking AI :

Question:Are Cypriots Part of the South European or West Asian Cluster?




Cypriots can be considered both, depending on the context: geographically, Cyprus is in West Asia, but politically and culturally, it is considered European, largely due to its membership in the European Union and strong ties to European culture. Genetically, Cypriots have a unique profile that is closer to West Asian populations

Geographically and genetically: Cyprus is located in the eastern Mediterranean, south of Anatolia and near the coast of the Levant, placing it in West Asia. Genetically, studies show that the population has more in common with West Asian populations than with mainland Greeks, for example.
Politically and culturally: Cyprus is a member of the European Union, and its citizens are European citizens. Culturally, it has strong ties to European traditions, largely due to its large Greek Cypriot population and long history of European influence



Cypriots are Western Asians.

[userNa]

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https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEh2CID7bcTbvi0c5GY39DRFP_4tiTDXYM5G-LdZfADMM-Oea8VtncGFFjxYHBF2SAktwUE1XBB-brF1SvFiljtVs9Md7N83XH3MuyD5Be0jsD5r1aW3R-n9oJ3EmE9fqg2iaznFCZsEU6rLIik9zI1st84qypDmg-JtB21rGyFBuXPyHe4uY8OXiN_afSVi

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEh2CID7bcTbvi0c5GY39DRFP_4tiTDXYM5G-LdZfADMM-Oea8VtncGFFjxYHBF2SAktwUE1XBB-brF1SvFiljtVs9Md7N83XH3MuyD5Be0jsD5r1aW3R-n9oJ3EmE9fqg2iaznFCZsEU6rLIik9zI1st84qypDmg-JtB21rGyFBuXPyHe4uY8OXiN_afSVi

[Bulkster]

Russian cope

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119281119

Revealing the recent demographic history of Europe via haplotype sharing in the UK Biobank



https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2119281119/asset/3faf8ea0-ddc2-4fc2-9e19-d647fb0e926e/assets/images/large/pnas.2119281119fig02.jpg
https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2119281119/asset/3faf8ea0-ddc2-4fc2-9e19-d647fb0e926e/assets/images/large/pnas.2119281119fig02.jpg

Asking AI :

Question:Are Cypriots Part of the South European or West Asian Cluster?

Indeed. It coincides with this G25 model showing that they are predom. of ancient Greek ancestry with significant Levantine admixture. There's nothing wrong with that:
https://genesoftheancients.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/image-96.webp
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEh0GwJnkDUZD71muI2TFjFLOD6HBH1FKxv-lPIGVYKH6TSMNiOZi5oJ7Tz589l8Ed3wYt2MviqXXRAwyTxWtA CORc39swDsj8oZTtWBzg-P9hBS-G82ddMjNDLRjCC7lkU3GCvPcpdALkPovyeHDkYENYCXhDA4D5k nuStaARqr604m4r2ZR6vK3qyzju1U=w459-h640

They are not less Greek than others.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?399463-What-is-the-DNA-of-the-Cypriots&p=8310975#post8310975

[Blondie]

Greek cypriots are europeans.

[Bulkster]

Greek cypriots are europeans.

Regardless of their genetics, I agree.