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gixajo
12-13-2025, 01:15 PM
Simply another way of model ourselves with G25.

(Actually, it's more of a model inspired by my interpretation of one of his ideas, than actually inspired by his idea)

References are proxies based on ancient references and are simply meant to represent a "drift", so don´t expect fantastic distances.

Scaled.

ADD DIST: NO


Southern_drift,0.113304,0.170644,-0.005523,-0.085963,0.036176,-0.037561,-0.003249,-0.004872,0.029225,0.063051,0.006195,0.008984,-0.015357,-0.00161,-0.027464,-0.006468,0.015196,0.001462,0.006437,-0.009583,-0.006629,0.00497,-0.003956,-0.003341,-0.002808
Northern_drift,0.131709,0.104905,0.127968,0.156395 ,0.060115,0.051589,0.005931,0.020761,0.016638,-0.043201,-0.005024,-0.01259,0.023064,-0.000039,0.0211,0.023574,0.000384,0.002292,-0.001854,0.025687,0.026401,0.005984,-0.007394,-0.052081,0.00431

https://i.imgur.com/EzmEYK9.png

gixajo
12-13-2025, 01:19 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.1447% / 0.04144690
64.2 Southern_drift
35.8 Northern_drift

Repent
12-13-2025, 01:47 PM
Distance to: Repent:RealG25_scaled
0.16882211 Northern_drift
0.19681533 Southern_drift

Target: Repent:RealG25_scaled
Distance: 7.2836% / 0.07283591
54.6 Northern_drift
45.4 Southern_drift

Dušan
12-13-2025, 02:05 PM
Well, you again proved fact that Latvians are northernest.

Distance to: Northern_drift
0.11559174 Latvian
0.11966546 Estonian
0.12477063 Lithuanian
0.12562952 Finnish
0.13622637 Russian
0.13814689 Belarusian
0.14831427 Polish
0.14905347 Swedish
0.15269482 Ukrainian
0.15779411 Icelandic
0.15817534 Slovakian
0.15855181 Norwegian
0.16096355 Danish
0.16212326 Czech
0.17014312 Irish
0.17134878 Dutch
0.17289085 Slovenian
0.17296386 British
0.17550591 German
0.17580439 Hungarian
0.18030132 Austrian
0.18101791 Croatian
0.18764648 Belgian
0.19268107 Bosnian
0.19480949 Luxembourger
0.19736819 Moldovan
0.20005519 French
0.20393850 Serbian
0.20436075 Swiss
0.20451459 Montenegrin
0.21283206 Romanian
0.22024030 Bulgarian
0.22415676 Spanish
0.22883280 Portuguese
0.23517191 North_Macedonian
0.24789131 Albanian
0.25540576 Greek
0.25747374 Italian
0.28103039 Maltese

Dušan
12-13-2025, 02:06 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 6.0633% / 0.06063291
56.4 Southern_drift
43.6 Northern_drift

gixajo
12-13-2025, 02:09 PM
Well, you again proved fact that Latvians are northernest.

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It's not a fact, it's an opinion, a respectable one, but in the absence of consensus it's just that.

Such a thing cannot be proven with the G25.

celticdragongod
12-13-2025, 02:41 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.17100755 Northern_drift
0.19144998 Southern_drift

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 6.8890% / 0.06889040
53.2 Northern_drift
46.8 Southern_drift

Gannicus
12-14-2025, 01:24 AM
Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.17534576 Southern_drift
0.18314515 Northern_drift


Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0636% / 0.06361131
51.2 Southern_drift
48.8 Northern_drift

Usernotfound
12-14-2025, 01:30 AM
Distance: 5.4416% / 0.05441619
61.0 Southern_drift
39.0 Northern_drift

ScandinavianCelt
12-14-2025, 01:59 AM
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 6.2937% / 0.06293730
53.8 Northern_drift
46.2 Southern_drift

I added one Ancient Amerindian...

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 6.1003% / 0.06100287
51.2 Northern_drift
45.6 Southern_drift
3.2 USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP.SG

Added my modern Amerindian I typically get:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 6.0036% / 0.06003634
50.2 Northern_drift
44.6 Southern_drift
5.2 Greenlander_West

With one Indian sample:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 5.4916% / 0.05491619
47.0 Northern_drift
40.0 Southern_drift
13.0 Jat_Haryana

With just Akhvakh added:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 4.6483% / 0.04648290
43.4 Northern_drift
31.2 Southern_drift
25.4 Akhvakh



samples used:

Jat_Haryana,0.080245,0.011171,-0.081835,0.085595,-0.058319,0.047969,-0.000235,0.006807,-0.001841,-0.007745,-0.003329,-0.000225,-0.001189,-0.011079,0.012826,0.003447,-0.010887,0.003674,-0.000566,-0.007379,-0.0073,-0.004142,0.003513,-0.000663,0.003413
Greenlander_West,0.080309,-0.176815,0.098303,0.051142,-0.062678,-0.016455,-0.072566,-0.084612,0.00484,-0.010205,0.014994,-0.004496,0.00261,-0.012034,-0.014507,-0.010209,-0.006983,0.008488,0.022318,0.014243,0.019382,-0.029677,0.007148,0.026845,0.027463
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP.SG,0.030732,-0.287395,0.085229,0.091732,-0.078784,-0.011992,-0.11257,-0.131071,-0.002863,-0.024055,-0.002273,-0.007044,0.005054,-0.011698,0.004479,0.003447,-0.000913,-0.005448,0.005782,0.01038,-0.01148,0.001731,0.009244,0.005784,-0.006347
Akhvakh,0.116669,0.106884,-0.02181,0.018815,-0.040623,0.012736,0.005248,-0.002577,-0.061204,-0.044207,-0.006496,0.006881,-0.013367,-0.011641,0.015676,-0.001215,0.000598,-0.000665,-0.003813,0.005075,0.000759,0.000907,0.005238,0.006 356,-0.000928

Mallisharrit
12-14-2025, 10:22 AM
Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 5.3697% / 0.05369651
71.6 Southern_drift
28.4 Northern_drift

gixajo
12-14-2025, 10:38 AM
I added one Ancient Amerindian...

928

It´s a 2 component model, no need to add anything more. It won't work correctly if you add more references.

Defcon2
12-14-2025, 11:44 AM
Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 5.7440% / 0.05744045
68.4 Southern_drift
31.6 Northern_drift

Dardanos
12-14-2025, 12:36 PM
Target: Dardanos_scaled
Distance: 4.9094% / 0.04909380
67.6 Southern_drift
32.4 Northern_drift

Dardanos
12-14-2025, 01:12 PM
Distance: 5.4416% / 0.05441619
61.0 Southern_drift
39.0 Northern_drift

Copil vlah:1127:

gixajo
12-14-2025, 01:49 PM
Target: Defcon2_scaled


Sigues vivo!!!

cass
12-15-2025, 08:51 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 5.2038% / 0.05203838
57.2 Northern_drift
42.8 Southern_drift

cass
12-15-2025, 09:06 PM
Well, you again proved fact that Latvians are northernest.

Distance to: Northern_drift
0.11559174 Latvian
0.11966546 Estonian
0.12477063 Lithuanian
0.12562952 Finnish
0.13622637 Russian
0.13814689 Belarusian
0.14831427 Polish
0.14905347 Swedish
0.15269482 Ukrainian
0.15779411 Icelandic
0.15817534 Slovakian
0.15855181 Norwegian
0.16096355 Danish
0.16212326 Czech
0.17014312 Irish
0.17134878 Dutch
0.17289085 Slovenian
0.17296386 British
0.17550591 German
0.17580439 Hungarian
0.18030132 Austrian
0.18101791 Croatian
0.18764648 Belgian
0.19268107 Bosnian
0.19480949 Luxembourger
0.19736819 Moldovan
0.20005519 French
0.20393850 Serbian
0.20436075 Swiss
0.20451459 Montenegrin
0.21283206 Romanian
0.22024030 Bulgarian
0.22415676 Spanish
0.22883280 Portuguese
0.23517191 North_Macedonian
0.24789131 Albanian
0.25540576 Greek
0.25747374 Italian
0.28103039 Maltese

This is confirmed not only autosomally but also in Vyazov’s IBD studies.

https://i.ibb.co/b58FHQ3J/vy2.jpg (https://ibb.co/5hfkYG9F)
https://i.ibb.co/Ldc0TjDn/Zrzut-ekranu-2025-12-15-215607.png (https://ibb.co/60TyK9cg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGmSY_Ie0Sc

Usernotfound
12-15-2025, 09:14 PM
Copil vlah:1127:

Miroslave, my balto slav bro ;)

cass
12-15-2025, 09:17 PM
It's not a fact, it's an opinion, a respectable one, but in the absence of consensus it's just that.

Such a thing cannot be proven with the G25.

https://i.ibb.co/MD3PxS3v/Zrzut-ekranu-2025-12-15-221447.png (https://ibb.co/cc72S37B)

This is not just a theory; IBD evidence confirms it in practice.

cass
12-15-2025, 09:28 PM
Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 6.2937% / 0.06293730
53.8 Northern_drift
46.2 Southern_drift

I added one Ancient Amerindian...

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 6.1003% / 0.06100287
51.2 Northern_drift
45.6 Southern_drift
3.2 USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP.SG

Added my modern Amerindian I typically get:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 6.0036% / 0.06003634
50.2 Northern_drift
44.6 Southern_drift
5.2 Greenlander_West

With one Indian sample:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 5.4916% / 0.05491619
47.0 Northern_drift
40.0 Southern_drift
13.0 Jat_Haryana

With just Akhvakh added:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 4.6483% / 0.04648290
43.4 Northern_drift
31.2 Southern_drift
25.4 Akhvakh



samples used:

Jat_Haryana,0.080245,0.011171,-0.081835,0.085595,-0.058319,0.047969,-0.000235,0.006807,-0.001841,-0.007745,-0.003329,-0.000225,-0.001189,-0.011079,0.012826,0.003447,-0.010887,0.003674,-0.000566,-0.007379,-0.0073,-0.004142,0.003513,-0.000663,0.003413
Greenlander_West,0.080309,-0.176815,0.098303,0.051142,-0.062678,-0.016455,-0.072566,-0.084612,0.00484,-0.010205,0.014994,-0.004496,0.00261,-0.012034,-0.014507,-0.010209,-0.006983,0.008488,0.022318,0.014243,0.019382,-0.029677,0.007148,0.026845,0.027463
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP.SG,0.030732,-0.287395,0.085229,0.091732,-0.078784,-0.011992,-0.11257,-0.131071,-0.002863,-0.024055,-0.002273,-0.007044,0.005054,-0.011698,0.004479,0.003447,-0.000913,-0.005448,0.005782,0.01038,-0.01148,0.001731,0.009244,0.005784,-0.006347
Akhvakh,0.116669,0.106884,-0.02181,0.018815,-0.040623,0.012736,0.005248,-0.002577,-0.061204,-0.044207,-0.006496,0.006881,-0.013367,-0.011641,0.015676,-0.001215,0.000598,-0.000665,-0.003813,0.005075,0.000759,0.000907,0.005238,0.006 356,-0.000928


Target: cass
Distance: 5.1692% / 0.05169172
56.2 Northern_drift
42.6 Southern_drift
1.2 USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP.SG

Target: cass
Distance: 5.1325% / 0.05132540
55.4 Northern_drift
42.2 Southern_drift
2.4 Greenlander_West

Target: cass
Distance: 4.8677% / 0.04867669
53.2 Northern_drift
39.2 Southern_drift
7.6 Jat_Haryana

Target: cass
Distance: 4.2294% / 0.04229434
49.6 Northern_drift
32.2 Southern_drift
18.2 Akhvakh

This will be the third excess Yamnaya drift.

Dardanos
12-15-2025, 10:28 PM
Miroslave, my balto slav bro ;)

Mai bun s-yu foleshts limba matirnă a ta, frate!