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Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 11:09 AM

Try these

EDIT: The samples have been edited with better accuracy to the following:

Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.04 31652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.02 11949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
Slavic_medieval,0.1284778,0.1285914,0.0677402,0.06 11681,0.0408152,0.0233222,0.0061981,0.013961,-0.0000511,-0.0212076,-0.0017456,-0.0086172,0.0155721,0.0196114,-0.014607,-0.0009114,0.0054436,0.0007128,0.0012256,0.003064,-0.0040396,-0.0024729,0.0070714,-0.0053319,0.0008081
Germanic,0.1288787,0.1344191,0.0711386,0.0635282,0 .0426793,0.020752,0.0045612,0.0086955,0.0037185,-0.0054837,-0.0066875,0.0053749,-0.0076291,-0.0064245,0.0222458,0.0071417,-0.0127777,0.0034896,0.0036681,0.0065826,0.0082411, 0.0037096,-0.0001456,0.0110858,-0.002101
ImperialRoman,0.091817,0.14082,-0.033941,-0.0611547,-0.003488,-0.013666,0.0008617,-0.0030767,-0.0072267,0.0098407,0.0038433,0.0064943,0.0014867,-0.0024313,-0.001855,0.0122867,0.0087793,-0.001647,0.0026817,-0.004252,0.0009567,0.0029263,-0.0031633,0.0035747,0.0026747
Paeonian,0.1251104,0.1524141,0.0222186,-0.0208873,0.0278512,-0.0089709,-0.0009988,-0.0027885,0.003903,0.0311472,0.0025169,0.0074183,-0.0155226,-0.0051264,-0.0129839,-0.0032705,0.0063452,0.003336,0.0072695,-0.0080663,-0.0115837,0.004709,-0.0010063,0.0065771,-0.002355
Thracian,0.120273,0.1629925,0.0139535,-0.0441972,0.0328265,-0.0192435,-0.000705,0.0000385,0.0119305,0.0376623,0.0035995,0 .0049207,-0.0124625,0.0012615,-0.0239322,-0.0096128,0.0081708,0.0036742,0.0080027,-0.0096297,-0.009504,0.0063268,0.0000208,0.0041168,-0.0028538
Dacian,0.1220186,0.1389242,0.0187052,-0.0175712,0.0244968,-0.0065818,-0.002303,0.0010156,0.0034768,0.025331,0.0032478,0. 0029074,-0.0085034,-0.0026148,-0.0097448,0.0038452,0.0059978,0.0016722,0.0107346,-0.0049522,-0.010731,0.0113514,-0.00281,0.007326,0.0025388
Illyrian,0.1249208,0.1543602,0.0311122,-0.0088018,0.0300825,-0.003765,0.0008812,-0.002596,0.0003068,0.0267885,0.0038568,0.00562,-0.0173562,-0.0052298,-0.009738,0.0008288,0.0214808,0.0018052,0.003991,-0.010849,-0.0029635,-0.0005565,-0.004283,0.0100312,-0.0044905
Turkic,0.0693445,-0.1594382,0.0349706,0.0100006,-0.0458132,-0.0054545,0.0061191,0.0063813,-0.0148987,-0.0117788,-0.0162201,-0.0019251,0.0002601,-0.0116926,0.0088427,0.0045359,-0.0057093,0.001954,0.0035148,0.0012554,-0.0150887,0.0001807,-0.0047569,-0.0018933,-0.0021326

Old results before the edit:

My results:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.02593193 Balkan_Dardanian_Proxy
0.02927380 Illyrian_North_Coast
0.03007302 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
0.03007302 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.03581225 Paeonian_Vardar_IA
0.03710563 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.04385380 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA
0.11587838 Early_Slavic_Scaled

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 1.7417% / 0.01741723
50.0 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA
44.8 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
5.2 Early_Slavic_Scaled

Summary of my results according to AI:

"Final "Origin" Summary
If we were to write your genetic history based on these results:

1. Core Origin: You are a descendant of the Brnjica/Dardanian population.

2. Ancestral Component: You are a mix of Northern "Carpathian" migrants who moved south 3,000 years ago and Indigenous Mediterranean Balkan farmers.

3. Stability: Your lineage survived the Roman Empire and the Slavic migrations with 94.8% of its ancient Balkan genome intact.

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 11:32 AM

Something is wrong with this calculator

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.8020% / 0.00801988
38.4 Early_Slavic_Scaled
36.6 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
23.0 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
1.4 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.6 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 11:37 AM

Dušan

12-18-2025, 11:59 AM

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5649% / 0.02564863
57.2 Early_Slavic_Scaled
42.8 Paeonian_Vardar_IA

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 12:15 PM

Could be. I got it from AI

It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians xD

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.04 31652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.02 11949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
Slavic_medieval,0.1284778,0.1285914,0.0677402,0.06 11681,0.0408152,0.0233222,0.0061981,0.013961,-0.0000511,-0.0212076,-0.0017456,-0.0086172,0.0155721,0.0196114,-0.014607,-0.0009114,0.0054436,0.0007128,0.0012256,0.003064,-0.0040396,-0.0024729,0.0070714,-0.0053319,0.0008081
Germanic,0.1288787,0.1344191,0.0711386,0.0635282,0 .0426793,0.020752,0.0045612,0.0086955,0.0037185,-0.0054837,-0.0066875,0.0053749,-0.0076291,-0.0064245,0.0222458,0.0071417,-0.0127777,0.0034896,0.0036681,0.0065826,0.0082411, 0.0037096,-0.0001456,0.0110858,-0.002101
ImperialRoman,0.091817,0.14082,-0.033941,-0.0611547,-0.003488,-0.013666,0.0008617,-0.0030767,-0.0072267,0.0098407,0.0038433,0.0064943,0.0014867,-0.0024313,-0.001855,0.0122867,0.0087793,-0.001647,0.0026817,-0.004252,0.0009567,0.0029263,-0.0031633,0.0035747,0.0026747
Paeonian,0.1251104,0.1524141,0.0222186,-0.0208873,0.0278512,-0.0089709,-0.0009988,-0.0027885,0.003903,0.0311472,0.0025169,0.0074183,-0.0155226,-0.0051264,-0.0129839,-0.0032705,0.0063452,0.003336,0.0072695,-0.0080663,-0.0115837,0.004709,-0.0010063,0.0065771,-0.002355
Thracian,0.120273,0.1629925,0.0139535,-0.0441972,0.0328265,-0.0192435,-0.000705,0.0000385,0.0119305,0.0376623,0.0035995,0 .0049207,-0.0124625,0.0012615,-0.0239322,-0.0096128,0.0081708,0.0036742,0.0080027,-0.0096297,-0.009504,0.0063268,0.0000208,0.0041168,-0.0028538
Dacian,0.1220186,0.1389242,0.0187052,-0.0175712,0.0244968,-0.0065818,-0.002303,0.0010156,0.0034768,0.025331,0.0032478,0. 0029074,-0.0085034,-0.0026148,-0.0097448,0.0038452,0.0059978,0.0016722,0.0107346,-0.0049522,-0.010731,0.0113514,-0.00281,0.007326,0.0025388
Illyrian,0.1249208,0.1543602,0.0311122,-0.0088018,0.0300825,-0.003765,0.0008812,-0.002596,0.0003068,0.0267885,0.0038568,0.00562,-0.0173562,-0.0052298,-0.009738,0.0008288,0.0214808,0.0018052,0.003991,-0.010849,-0.0029635,-0.0005565,-0.004283,0.0100312,-0.0044905
Turkic,0.0693445,-0.1594382,0.0349706,0.0100006,-0.0458132,-0.0054545,0.0061191,0.0063813,-0.0148987,-0.0117788,-0.0162201,-0.0019251,0.0002601,-0.0116926,0.0088427,0.0045359,-0.0057093,0.001954,0.0035148,0.0012554,-0.0150887,0.0001807,-0.0047569,-0.0018933,-0.0021326

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 12:36 PM

It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians xD

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."

This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 12:52 PM

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."

This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

Distance to: Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.01717698 Romania
0.01731336 Bulgaria
0.02278493 North_Macedonia
0.02369873 Montenegro
0.02369876 Serbia
0.03386261 Bosnia
0.03395781 Albania
0.03532103 Moldova
0.04171582 Switzerland
0.04379247 Croatia
0.04532387 Slovenia
0.04678818 Hungary
0.04893914 Austria
0.04997587 Italy
0.05566516 Belgium
0.05810654 France
0.05822438 Czech_Republic
0.05879773 Greece
0.05977724 Germany
0.06080117 Ukraine
0.06409569 Portugal
0.06461303 Spain
0.06971452 Holland
0.07138956 Slovakia
0.07254506 Wales

It does not look good.

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 12:57 PM

Distance to: Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.01717698 Romania
0.01731336 Bulgaria
0.02278493 North_Macedonia
0.02369873 Montenegro
0.02369876 Serbia
0.03386261 Bosnia
0.03395781 Albania
0.03532103 Moldova
0.04171582 Switzerland
0.04379247 Croatia
0.04532387 Slovenia
0.04678818 Hungary
0.04893914 Austria
0.04997587 Italy
0.05566516 Belgium
0.05810654 France
0.05822438 Czech_Republic
0.05879773 Greece
0.05977724 Germany
0.06080117 Ukraine
0.06409569 Portugal
0.06461303 Spain
0.06971452 Holland
0.07138956 Slovakia
0.07254506 Wales

It does not look good.

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

Isnt the Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample supposed to be closest to Romania?

Where did you get the information that the sample is modern Romanian averages?

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 01:13 PM

Isnt the Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample supposed to be closest to Romania?

Where did you get the information that the sample is modern Romanian averages?

Modern Romanians are mixed, they are not Dacians. AI give you just Romanians average as “Dacians” I posted you closest modern pop.

I10384, I10385, I10388, these samples are Paeonians, samples from Macedonia not Romania.

AnthrogenicaRefugee

12-18-2025, 01:17 PM

AnthrogenicaRefugee

12-18-2025, 01:23 PM

Replace it with

Getae_Glinoe_IA,0.120368,0.135573,0.016970,-0.021076,0.018542,-0.010458,0.002174,-0.002481,0.003681,0.032302,0.002111,0.002286,-0.007433,-0.001273,-0.011672,-0.005005,0.004955,0.005384,0.007982,-0.005596,-0.004274,0.006368,-0.006439,0.001687,0.000659

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 01:50 PM

Modern Romanians are mixed, they are not Dacians. AI give you just Romanians average as “Dacians” I posted you closest modern pop.

I10384, I10385, I10388, these samples are Paeonians, samples from Macedonia not Romania.

I edited the thread/first post with your samples

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 01:54 PM

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

In my specific case the change in sample doesnt seem to make much difference. It seems like the bulk of my ancestry is from the Dardania/Macedonia area.

I am from south-eastern Kosovo.

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 02:27 PM

In my specific case the change in sample doesnt seem to make much difference. It seems like the bulk of my ancestry is from the Dardania/Macedonia area.

I am from south-eastern Kosovo.

First calc did not show you Slavic and Roman admixture.

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 02:32 PM

I edited the thread/first post with your samples

My results

Distance: 2.0844% / 0.02084446
47.4 Illyrian
40.4 Slavic_medieval
11.6 ImperialRoman
0.6 Thracian

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 02:33 PM

First calc did not show you Slavic and Roman admixture.

Thats true.

What does Roman admixture actually mean?

Usernotfound

12-18-2025, 02:55 PM

Thats true.

What does Roman admixture actually mean?

Ancestry from Roman/Byzantine populations from Anatolia.

Dušan

12-18-2025, 02:58 PM

It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians xD

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.4398% / 0.02439795
62.4 Slavic_medieval
35.6 Thracian
2.0 Turkic

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 03:13 PM

Ancestry from Roman/Byzantine populations from Anatolia.

Btw my y-dna is E-v13

My father is from Ferizaj and my mother is from Gjilan.

I dont know if it makes any difference.

Mallisharrit

12-18-2025, 04:42 PM

Ancestry from Roman/Byzantine populations from Anatolia.

My result on FamilytreeDNA shows 100% Greek&Balkan

If i have Slavic in me, then why does that not show up on FamilytreeDNA?

tk'es

12-18-2025, 04:45 PM

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.3370% / 0.04337023
67.8 Caucasus
21.4 Germanic
10.8 Turkic

Usernotfound

12-19-2025, 01:15 PM

My result on FamilytreeDNA shows 100% Greek&Balkan

If i have Slavic in me, then why does that not show up on FamilytreeDNA?

It is based on modern population, these tests are not archaeogenetics.
In this "Balkan" you already have slavic DNA.
To see how much Slavic and Balkan you have it would be best to download data and pay for Illustrative DNA.

Mallisharrit

12-19-2025, 02:17 PM

It is based on modern population, these tests are not archaeogenetics.
In this "Balkan" you already have slavic DNA.
To see how much Slavic and Balkan you have it would be best to download data and pay for Illustrative DNA.

I see.

Thank you for the explanation.

Usernotfound

12-19-2025, 02:42 PM

I see.

Thank you for the explanation.

No prob.

https://illustrativedna.com/

Mallisharrit

12-19-2025, 03:09 PM

No prob.

https://illustrativedna.com/

Is this really necessary if im already using the G25 tool?

celticdragongod

12-20-2025, 12:58 AM

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02716772 Germanic
0.05821391 Keltic
0.07059911 Slavic_medieval
0.09533395 Illyrian
0.10085976 Dacian
0.10526367 Paeonian
0.13556719 Thracian
0.16913060 ImperialRoman
0.32085816 Turkic

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.9453% / 0.01945250
84.2 Germanic
15.4 Paeonian
0.4 Turkic

36 models (0 ms):
0.032 CDG_scaled = 59% Germanic + 41% Keltic
0.038 CDG_scaled = 79% Germanic + 21% Paeonian
0.038 CDG_scaled = 77% Germanic + 23% Illyrian
0.038 CDG_scaled = 84% Germanic + 16% Thracian
0.039 CDG_scaled = 79% Germanic + 21% Dacian
0.042 CDG_scaled = 75% Germanic + 25% Slavic_medieval
0.044 CDG_scaled = 92% Germanic + 8% ImperialRoman
0.046 CDG_scaled = 100% Germanic + 0% Turkic
0.047 CDG_scaled = 61% Keltic + 39% Slavic_medieval
0.056 CDG_scaled = 96% Keltic + 4% Turkic
0.058 CDG_scaled = 100% Keltic + 0% ImperialRoman
0.058 CDG_scaled = 100% Keltic + 0% Paeonian
0.058 CDG_scaled = 100% Keltic + 0% Thracian
0.058 CDG_scaled = 100% Keltic + 0% Dacian
0.058 CDG_scaled = 100% Keltic + 0% Illyrian
0.059 CDG_scaled = 66% Slavic_medieval + 34% Illyrian
0.059 CDG_scaled = 69% Slavic_medieval + 31% Paeonian
0.060 CDG_scaled = 69% Slavic_medieval + 31% Dacian
0.063 CDG_scaled = 80% Slavic_medieval + 20% Thracian
0.066 CDG_scaled = 86% Slavic_medieval + 14% ImperialRoman
0.070 CDG_scaled = 98% Slavic_medieval + 2% Turkic
0.091 CDG_scaled = 92% Illyrian + 8% Turkic
0.095 CDG_scaled = 94% Illyrian + 6% Dacian
0.095 CDG_scaled = 100% Illyrian + 0% ImperialRoman
0.095 CDG_scaled = 100% Illyrian + 0% Paeonian
0.095 CDG_scaled = 100% Illyrian + 0% Thracian
0.100 CDG_scaled = 96% Dacian + 4% Turkic
0.101 CDG_scaled = 100% Dacian + 0% ImperialRoman
0.101 CDG_scaled = 100% Dacian + 0% Paeonian
0.101 CDG_scaled = 100% Dacian + 0% Thracian
0.101 CDG_scaled = 91% Paeonian + 9% Turkic
0.105 CDG_scaled = 100% Paeonian + 0% ImperialRoman
0.105 CDG_scaled = 100% Paeonian + 0% Thracian
0.125 CDG_scaled = 85% Thracian + 15% Turkic
0.136 CDG_scaled = 100% Thracian + 0% ImperialRoman
0.163 CDG_scaled = 86% ImperialRoman + 14% Turkic

Nurzat

12-21-2025, 07:16 AM

northeast Romanians are pretty (East) Slavic, and the Turkic is there as well :cool: :

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 2.0180% / 0.02018022
69.2 Slavic_medieval
9.0 Paeonian
9.0 Thracian
6.2 ImperialRoman
4.6 Turkic
2.0 Germanic

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.5835% / 0.01583493
58.6 Slavic_medieval
28.6 Paeonian
5.6 ImperialRoman
4.0 Illyrian
3.2 Turkic

Target: Nurzat_maternal_grandma
Distance: 1.9842% / 0.01984163
60.2 Slavic_medieval
27.6 Thracian
9.8 ImperialRoman
2.2 Turkic
0.2 Dacian

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.04490074 Slavic_medieval
0.06570748 Keltic
0.06957785 Germanic
0.08517310 Dacian
0.08655970 Illyrian
0.09400235 Paeonian
0.11939230 Thracian
0.14668855 ImperialRoman
0.30218495 Turkic