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Beorn
04-28-2009, 01:15 PM
Alabama councilman removes Confederate flags from graves


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Mary Norman was shocked Thursday afternoon when Auburn Councilman Arthur L. Dowdell pulled up a Confederate flag placed on her great-grandfather’s grave and snapped it in half, she said.
Dowdell, who denies snapping the flag, said Thursday he was picking up his daughter from Auburn Junior High School near the cemetery when several people told him they “had a problem” with the flags.
He drove to the cemetery and started pulling up flags, he said.
“It’s offensive to me,” he said. “To me, it represents the Ku Klux Klan and racism.”

The United Daughters of the Confederacy placed the flags earlier this week, as they have done for 50 years, in preparation for a celebration Sunday of Confederate Memorial Day, Norman said.
Confederate Memorial Day will be celebrated as a state holiday in Alabama Monday.

“I really didn’t know exactly how to respond to him,” she said. “I happen to be a member of the Daughters of the Confederacy. I was very surprised, especially (as he is) a city councilman. I was amazed.”
Norman was not personally involved in placing the flags.
“I’m a historian,” she said. “We’re not about hate, we’re not about anything like that. We just want to honor our state’s rights, and I’ve got Confederate ancestors, and I feel we should have the ability to do that.”
Norman and a friend were taking inventory of graves at Pine Hill Cemetery in Auburn when Dowdell drove up and asked who put up the flags, she said.
“One of the flags had been placed on my great-grandfather’s grave, who was a Confederate soldier,” Norman said. “He just got very upset, and he went over to my great-grandfather’s grave, picked up the flag and broke it in two.”

She said Dowdell did not know the plot she stood on was her family’s. The flags were placed on soldiers’ graves as a mark of respect, she said.
He pulled up Confederate flags from other soldiers’ graves, too, she said.
Dowdell said in his years as councilman, he had never seen so many Confederate flags in one place.
“I’m going on the record that this will never happen again,” Dowdell said. “This will never happen again as long as I’m on the city council.”
Dowdell denied intentionally snapping the flag.
“It might have snapped itself,” :rolleyes: he said. “If it did, so what? If I had my way, I would have broke them all up and stomped on them and burned them. That flag represents another country, another nation.” (???)

Auburn Mayor Bill Ham said he was unaware of any incidents at the cemetery but said he talked with Dowdell Thursday afternoon. Ham said his understanding was that all city cemeteries have covenants governing how and what types of decorations can be placed on graves, except for Pine Hill because it is so old. Ham said he believed Dowdell asked an assistant city manager to look into making policies equal for cemeteries across the city.
“The bottom line is those grave plots are deeded property,” Ham said. “We sell those. So they are sold to the family of the individuals, and I think (plot owners) have a right to do exactly what they did, according to the city attorney.”

Ham said in his conversation with Dowdell, the councilman suggested the flags be placed on the graves for a shorter period of time, perhaps for 24 hours before the event.
For now, the remaining flags will stay on the graves because of the lack of covenant governing Pine Hill, Ham said. But that could change in coming years.
“I certainly think we need to be consistent in all the cemeteries with whatever the policy is, not only with this, but with everything,” Ham said. “The council has got to make that decision.”


Source (http://www.dothaneagle.com/dea/news/local/article/alabama_councilman_removes_confederate_flags_from_ graves/69780/)

Lulletje Rozewater
04-28-2009, 01:21 PM
Disgusting,it is a nice flag

Lady L
04-28-2009, 01:33 PM
What a shame. And, how dare someone go to a soldiers grave and dare touch whats there that doesn't belong to them. I think that Nigger is abusing his authority a bit ...:rolleyes: Living here in the South, there are many many confederate flags hanging on people's front porches of their homes, in the yards and in windows. :D:thumb001:


That flag represents another country, another nation.” (???)

I guess this was him referring to the New America, the one with a Black President ...? :rolleyes:


“It’s offensive to me,” he said. “To me, it represents the Ku Klux Klan and racism.”


And him ripping it from someones grave was also offensive! Maybe someone shall break him in half! :mad:


Confederate Memorial Day will be celebrated as a state holiday in Alabama Monday.


Damn right! They have their Martin Luther Day don't they....:rolleyes:

Barreldriver
04-28-2009, 01:45 PM
What a shame. And, how dare someone go to a soldiers grave and dare touch whats there that doesn't belong to them. I think that Nigger is abusing his authority a bit ...:rolleyes: Living here in the South, there are many many confederate flags hanging on people's front porches of their homes, in the yards and in windows. :D:thumb001:





I agree 100%, if I witnessed anyone doing that to my great great great great grandfather's graves then I would personally kill them, barehanded, there is no excuse for disrespecting the grave of an honored warrior, or disrespecting a grave in general. That nigger is just that a nigger, the lowest of the people of African ancestry. How dare he touch a sacred grave with such ill intent. That man is a bastard.

Gooding
05-05-2009, 03:13 AM
What a shame. And, how dare someone go to a soldiers grave and dare touch whats there that doesn't belong to them. I think that Nigger is abusing his authority a bit ...:rolleyes: Living here in the South, there are many many confederate flags hanging on people's front porches of their homes, in the yards and in windows. :D:thumb001:



I guess this was him referring to the New America, the one with a Black President ...? :rolleyes:



And him ripping it from someones grave was also offensive! Maybe someone shall break him in half! :mad:



Damn right! They have their Martin Luther Day don't they....:rolleyes:

That shiftless nigger shouldn't have had any authority to begin with. Where niggers can go about abusing the graves of the valiant fallen of the C.S.A. without fear of immediate arrest is where the P.C. crowd has gone too far.Somebody shouldn't have broken him in half, somebody should've cut him into ten pieces and mailed them to the N.A.A.C.P.:mad:
Their M.L.K. day is one of 365 days where they publicly revile and demonize us and they think we've no right to defend ourselves.Southern honor has been insulted and I fully expect a patriot to redeem that honor by disciplining that coon dog appropriately.:mad::mad:These uppity trash collectors need to be reminded of certain things and if they're allowed to forget those things in the very heart of the South, then our nation is closer to disintegration than I feared.:eek::(

anonymaus
05-05-2009, 04:41 AM
He drove to the cemetery and started pulling up flags, he said.
“It’s offensive to me,”

There is no "right not to be offended", he is in error; there is however a very real right in deeded property, and this cretin violated the rights of each and every plot owner whose graves were disturbed.

There are few things quite as despicable as this, and most of them involve disturbing or defiling the corpses underneath these flags he found so offensive.

This is really repugnant.

Treffie
05-05-2009, 09:50 AM
This guy should be sacked from his job - we don't let our views get in the way of our working practices, but not only that, this just seems like a lack of respect for the departed.:mad:

Brynhild
05-05-2009, 11:51 AM
I would definitely call that a form of desecration!

Ohrwurm
05-06-2009, 04:43 AM
Living here in the South, there are many many confederate flags hanging on people's front porches of their homes, in the yards and in windows. :D:thumb001:

In my town, there are a lot of Mexicans and (part-)Jews who use the flag. I don't understand why? I know the Confederacy wasn't anti-Jew, but I think that Mexicans are pushing it. Some of the ones who fly the flag stain it just as much as the ones who tear it down.

Lady L
05-06-2009, 01:36 PM
In my town, there are a lot of Mexicans and (part-)Jews who use the flag. I don't understand why? I know the Confederacy wasn't anti-Jew, but I think that Mexicans are pushing it. Some of the ones who fly the flag stain it just as much as the ones who tear it down.

lol, I've never heard of such! :D The only people I see using it is proud rednecks :D I don't understand a Mexican using it either...what are they saying..? Maybe the part Jewish people think they are white...? Or fall that way in beliefs...? IDK ...huh :confused:

Barreldriver
05-06-2009, 03:17 PM
lol, I've never heard of such! :D The only people I see using it is proud rednecks :D I don't understand a Mexican using it either...what are they saying..? Maybe the part Jewish people think they are white...? Or fall that way in beliefs...? IDK ...huh :confused:

There were some Hispanic troops that allied the Confederacy as did some Amerindians.

Col Ambrosio Gonzales was from Cuba and lead troops from SC. Col. Santos Benavides was the highest ranking Tejano in the Confederacy. The 10th Texas Regiment was mostly Mexican-Americans who didn't want to side with Mexico or the USA but were loyal to Texas.