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vintagenetics
02-10-2026, 08:12 AM
Can someone explain it to me? What is an Ill-illy..rian? Why are they ill? I hope they feel better soon. Also what is with that black region, and how come there is no data for it. Pretty weird if you ask me.
https://i.ibb.co/gb4tnkVB/G8-UHE1-UXw-AAsy-Lu.png

Dior Haines
02-10-2026, 09:07 AM
The Illyrians, the ancestors of the Albanians, had an ancient origin and spoke an Indo-European language.

vintagenetics
02-10-2026, 09:34 AM
The Illyrians, the ancestors of the Albanians, had an ancient origin and spoke an Indo-European language.

Albania...thats like...the jail from Harry Potter right? It makes sense that they would be ill that sounds like a terrible place.

Kowalski
02-10-2026, 09:38 AM
https://youtu.be/NZ3NTYwcQB0?feature=shared

gixajo
02-10-2026, 12:18 PM
https://i.ibb.co/gb4tnkVB/G8-UHE1-UXw-AAsy-Lu.png

A fast attempt to emulate that model, sorry:

Scaled



Illyrian,0.1231566,0.1523294,0.0274544,-0.0156332,0.0270818,-0.0087572,0.000987,-0.0007846,-0.0003274,0.0256952,0.0030206,0.005785,-0.0189098,-0.0070464,-0.0095546,-0.0063644,0.0069624,-0.00038,0.0027652,-0.0069534,-0.009084,0.0029182,-0.002687,0.0059286,-0.0058678
Mycenaean,0.10927,0.170609,-0.015085,-0.066215,0.025543,-0.026495,0.00893,-0.011307,0.00634,0.043008,0.008444,0.002248,-0.014569,-0.003578,-0.022122,0.005569,0.029858,-0.006461,-0.003645,0.007003,-0.010107,0.008779,-0.013804,-0.004579,-0.001317
Thracian,0.119514,0.160454,0.009805,-0.055556,0.031083,-0.010598,-0.012456,-0.000231,0.014726,0.042279,0.025982,0.002997,-0.014123,0.011147,-0.025787,-0.032484,-0.005867,0.005194,0.002765,-0.014132,-0.011854,0.011871,0.00456,-0.008435,0.001557
Slavic,0.126344,0.120848,0.071276,0.059755,0.04308 5,0.018686,0.00799,0.007384,-0.003068,-0.014397,0.000974,-0.007493,0.013677,0.025598,-0.012758,-0.005038,0.002608,-0.002027,0.000503,0.003377,-0.009109,-0.00779,0.011092,-0.009399,-0.002754
Pre-Turkic_Anatolian,0.0990263,0.1381118,-0.0632933,-0.0713292,-0.0275437,-0.0181278,0.0003525,-0.0083842,-0.0219862,-6.08E-05,0.0031397,0.0004748,0.0003222,0.0008028,-0.0057455,0.0027402,0.0036508,-0.00057,0.0048183,-0.0046063,0.0014142,0.0038745,-0.0015818,-0.002691,-0.000978


Turkic for Turkish:


Turkic,0.0839761,-0.1158832,0.0567776,0.0478758,-0.0498553,0.0030058,0.0026894,0.0015898,-0.0161801,-0.0255534,-0.0083721,-0.0009991,0.0018169,-0.0256742,0.0131649,0.0054214,-0.005708,1.41E-05,0.0016481,0.0056138,-0.0237638,0.0031463,-0.0019308,-0.0001608,-0.0025544

And some more:


Insular_Celt,0.1302137,0.1351669,0.0617347,0.05400 56,0.0405921,0.0164545,0.000846,0.0029306,0.005317 6,0.0036813,-0.0033291,0.0073284,-0.0144052,-0.01273,0.0228824,0.0057279,-0.0062586,0.0011022,-0.0005028,0.0029264,0.0037684,0.0034004,-0.0017747,0.0075432,-0.0003234
Germanic,0.1297585,0.131511,0.059585,0.0663765,0.0 32006,0.0252395,0.0071675,0.007961,0.00542,-0.009294,0,0.003147,-0.0142715,-0.018235,0.0332515,0.017502,0.0058675,0.0013935,0. 005091,0.003689,0.0059895,0.001484,-0.001479,0.0052415,-0.0006585
Iberian,0.1258262,0.1492827,0.0583851,0.0049625,0. 0602349,-0.0044623,-0.0022645,0.0031048,0.0336535,0.0464537,-0.0050636,0.0132018,-0.0238533,-0.0138374,0.0089698,0.0056533,0.006626,0.0005185,0 .0040911,-0.0026263,0.0052294,-0.0004945,-0.0051203,-0.0136163,-0.0022753

gixajo
02-10-2026, 12:56 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.0737% / 0.05073668
80.6 Illyrian
19.4 Slavic


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9980% / 0.01997986
48.2 Iberian
30.6 Insular_Celt
13.2 Mycenaean
8.0 Thracian

dviz
02-10-2026, 02:09 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.0737% / 0.05073668
80.6 Illyrian
19.4 Slavic


These are rookie numbers my friend, look at the Greeks, they're supposed to be a third Slavic on average, according to this nonsense :lol:

Mallisharrit
02-10-2026, 02:12 PM
A fast attempt to emulate that model, sorry:

Scaled



Illyrian,0.1231566,0.1523294,0.0274544,-0.0156332,0.0270818,-0.0087572,0.000987,-0.0007846,-0.0003274,0.0256952,0.0030206,0.005785,-0.0189098,-0.0070464,-0.0095546,-0.0063644,0.0069624,-0.00038,0.0027652,-0.0069534,-0.009084,0.0029182,-0.002687,0.0059286,-0.0058678
Mycenaean,0.10927,0.170609,-0.015085,-0.066215,0.025543,-0.026495,0.00893,-0.011307,0.00634,0.043008,0.008444,0.002248,-0.014569,-0.003578,-0.022122,0.005569,0.029858,-0.006461,-0.003645,0.007003,-0.010107,0.008779,-0.013804,-0.004579,-0.001317
Thracian,0.119514,0.160454,0.009805,-0.055556,0.031083,-0.010598,-0.012456,-0.000231,0.014726,0.042279,0.025982,0.002997,-0.014123,0.011147,-0.025787,-0.032484,-0.005867,0.005194,0.002765,-0.014132,-0.011854,0.011871,0.00456,-0.008435,0.001557
Slavic,0.126344,0.120848,0.071276,0.059755,0.04308 5,0.018686,0.00799,0.007384,-0.003068,-0.014397,0.000974,-0.007493,0.013677,0.025598,-0.012758,-0.005038,0.002608,-0.002027,0.000503,0.003377,-0.009109,-0.00779,0.011092,-0.009399,-0.002754
Pre-Turkic_Anatolian,0.0990263,0.1381118,-0.0632933,-0.0713292,-0.0275437,-0.0181278,0.0003525,-0.0083842,-0.0219862,-6.08E-05,0.0031397,0.0004748,0.0003222,0.0008028,-0.0057455,0.0027402,0.0036508,-0.00057,0.0048183,-0.0046063,0.0014142,0.0038745,-0.0015818,-0.002691,-0.000978


Turkic for Turkish:


Turkic,0.0839761,-0.1158832,0.0567776,0.0478758,-0.0498553,0.0030058,0.0026894,0.0015898,-0.0161801,-0.0255534,-0.0083721,-0.0009991,0.0018169,-0.0256742,0.0131649,0.0054214,-0.005708,1.41E-05,0.0016481,0.0056138,-0.0237638,0.0031463,-0.0019308,-0.0001608,-0.0025544

And some more:


Insular_Celt,0.1302137,0.1351669,0.0617347,0.05400 56,0.0405921,0.0164545,0.000846,0.0029306,0.005317 6,0.0036813,-0.0033291,0.0073284,-0.0144052,-0.01273,0.0228824,0.0057279,-0.0062586,0.0011022,-0.0005028,0.0029264,0.0037684,0.0034004,-0.0017747,0.0075432,-0.0003234
Germanic,0.1297585,0.131511,0.059585,0.0663765,0.0 32006,0.0252395,0.0071675,0.007961,0.00542,-0.009294,0,0.003147,-0.0142715,-0.018235,0.0332515,0.017502,0.0058675,0.0013935,0. 005091,0.003689,0.0059895,0.001484,-0.001479,0.0052415,-0.0006585
Iberian,0.1258262,0.1492827,0.0583851,0.0049625,0. 0602349,-0.0044623,-0.0022645,0.0031048,0.0336535,0.0464537,-0.0050636,0.0132018,-0.0238533,-0.0138374,0.0089698,0.0056533,0.006626,0.0005185,0 .0040911,-0.0026263,0.0052294,-0.0004945,-0.0051203,-0.0136163,-0.0022753

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 1.8255% / 0.01825515
36.8 Illyrian
27.2 Slavic
15.2 Pre-Turkic_Anatolian
11.0 Thracian
9.8 Mycenaean

gixajo
02-10-2026, 03:47 PM
These are rookie numbers my friend, look at the Greeks, they're supposed to be a third Slavic on average, according to this nonsense :lol:

I don't judge the model, I only emulate it.:noidea:

celticdragongod
02-12-2026, 12:55 AM
A fast attempt to emulate that model, sorry:

Scaled



Illyrian,0.1231566,0.1523294,0.0274544,-0.0156332,0.0270818,-0.0087572,0.000987,-0.0007846,-0.0003274,0.0256952,0.0030206,0.005785,-0.0189098,-0.0070464,-0.0095546,-0.0063644,0.0069624,-0.00038,0.0027652,-0.0069534,-0.009084,0.0029182,-0.002687,0.0059286,-0.0058678
Mycenaean,0.10927,0.170609,-0.015085,-0.066215,0.025543,-0.026495,0.00893,-0.011307,0.00634,0.043008,0.008444,0.002248,-0.014569,-0.003578,-0.022122,0.005569,0.029858,-0.006461,-0.003645,0.007003,-0.010107,0.008779,-0.013804,-0.004579,-0.001317
Thracian,0.119514,0.160454,0.009805,-0.055556,0.031083,-0.010598,-0.012456,-0.000231,0.014726,0.042279,0.025982,0.002997,-0.014123,0.011147,-0.025787,-0.032484,-0.005867,0.005194,0.002765,-0.014132,-0.011854,0.011871,0.00456,-0.008435,0.001557
Slavic,0.126344,0.120848,0.071276,0.059755,0.04308 5,0.018686,0.00799,0.007384,-0.003068,-0.014397,0.000974,-0.007493,0.013677,0.025598,-0.012758,-0.005038,0.002608,-0.002027,0.000503,0.003377,-0.009109,-0.00779,0.011092,-0.009399,-0.002754
Pre-Turkic_Anatolian,0.0990263,0.1381118,-0.0632933,-0.0713292,-0.0275437,-0.0181278,0.0003525,-0.0083842,-0.0219862,-6.08E-05,0.0031397,0.0004748,0.0003222,0.0008028,-0.0057455,0.0027402,0.0036508,-0.00057,0.0048183,-0.0046063,0.0014142,0.0038745,-0.0015818,-0.002691,-0.000978


Turkic for Turkish:


Turkic,0.0839761,-0.1158832,0.0567776,0.0478758,-0.0498553,0.0030058,0.0026894,0.0015898,-0.0161801,-0.0255534,-0.0083721,-0.0009991,0.0018169,-0.0256742,0.0131649,0.0054214,-0.005708,1.41E-05,0.0016481,0.0056138,-0.0237638,0.0031463,-0.0019308,-0.0001608,-0.0025544

And some more:


Insular_Celt,0.1302137,0.1351669,0.0617347,0.05400 56,0.0405921,0.0164545,0.000846,0.0029306,0.005317 6,0.0036813,-0.0033291,0.0073284,-0.0144052,-0.01273,0.0228824,0.0057279,-0.0062586,0.0011022,-0.0005028,0.0029264,0.0037684,0.0034004,-0.0017747,0.0075432,-0.0003234
Germanic,0.1297585,0.131511,0.059585,0.0663765,0.0 32006,0.0252395,0.0071675,0.007961,0.00542,-0.009294,0,0.003147,-0.0142715,-0.018235,0.0332515,0.017502,0.0058675,0.0013935,0. 005091,0.003689,0.0059895,0.001484,-0.001479,0.0052415,-0.0006585
Iberian,0.1258262,0.1492827,0.0583851,0.0049625,0. 0602349,-0.0044623,-0.0022645,0.0031048,0.0336535,0.0464537,-0.0050636,0.0132018,-0.0238533,-0.0138374,0.0089698,0.0056533,0.006626,0.0005185,0 .0040911,-0.0026263,0.0052294,-0.0004945,-0.0051203,-0.0136163,-0.0022753

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02356365 Insular_Celt
0.04274988 Germanic
0.07338873 Slavic
0.09018698 Iberian
0.09766949 Illyrian
0.15359817 Thracian
0.17600820 Mycenaean
0.20139750 Pre-Turkic_Anatolian
0.27665864 Turkic

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.2820% / 0.02282050
91.8 Insular_Celt
6.0 Slavic
2.2 Thracian