Classify Miss Belgium

[poiuytrewq0987]

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[Aviane]

Alpine/CM + Atlantid.

She could pass also for Northern French, Dutch, German and English.

[Svartálfar]

Altantomed/alpinoid?

[Nairi]

She could pass also for Northern French, Dutch, German and English.

Strongly disagree.

[Alvarado]

She doesn't look Northern European at all.

[Mordid]

She doesn't look Northern European at all.
Since when Belgium is in Northern Europe?

[Cail]

Are you serious? She's a beaty pageant? She's like 6.5/10, at most a 7. Meaning a completely regular girl, not even a very pretty one (very pretty regular girls get a 7.5, beautiful ones get 8, stunning is 8.5, while 9+ is probably what should be the beauty queens, sex symbols and movie stars).

[Aviane]

Strongly disagree.

If you think so then where do you think she can fit then, come on?

[exceeder]

alpinid + atlanto-pontid imo. (Although perhaps I should say only alpino-pontid)

She reminds me a little bit of the romanian singer Inna.

[Nairi]

If you think so then where do you think she can fit then, come on?

OK, maybe Bulgaria, Albania,Romania, but probably mostly in Turkey.

[Mordid]

And Armenia too.

[Nairi]

And Armenia too.

Maybe by features, but her overall look seems foreign to me. Maybe members of the countries I mentioned will feel the same about her look, I expressed my opinion, is something wrong with it? She doesn't look Belgian,German,Danish,French or English at all to me.

[Mordid]

Why? Because she isn't Nordic enough to your wetdream?

[exceeder]

Alpine/CM + Atlantid.

She could pass also for Northern French, Dutch, German and English.


OK, maybe Bulgaria, Albania,Romania, but probably mostly in Turkey.

Apparently she is of Turkish origin (if this is indeed Zeynep Sever, who was miss belgique 2009). To be honest though, I thought she looked more Romanian/Bulgarian imo though.

[Nairi]

Why? Because she isn't Nordic enough to your wetdream?


I explained, it has nothing to do with features,we have girls like her, but they look familiar to my eyes, but this girl's overall look is foreign......

Which countries do you think she fits in?

[Nairi]

Apparently she is of Turkish origin (if this is indeed Zeynep Sever, who was miss belgique 2009). To be honest though, I thought she looked more Romanian/Bulgarian imo though.

First I thought she was Albanian or Bulgarian, but then looked at pics again and something in her face pulled more to Turkish side, I don't know her, OP should confirm or deny.

[Ar-Man]

And Armenia too.

Her face features are very uncommon among Armenians. :)

And it's pretty pitiable how people starts to classify her Alpinid/Atlantid just because she's presented as Belgian, she looks pretty Med/Turanid to me. :tsk:

[Rosenrot]

For some reason she looks latin american... Mexican or even brazilian. The problem is that theres too much photoshop on the photo of her face, it looks a bit blushed.

[Hess]

She has a very Western, Pan-Central European look, but she can also fit in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe.

IMO, the only region in Europe she would never fit into are the Nordic and Baltic countries.

And I know I've already said this, but it seems that I have to say it again-

there is no Turkish look. Any Caucasoid can easily pass as a Turk. "Turkish" is a Nationality the same way "American" is a nationality.

[exceeder]

She has a very Western, Pan-Central European look, but she can also fit in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe.

IMO, the only region in Europe she would never fit into are the Nordic and Baltic countries.

And I know I've already said this, but it seems that I have to say it again-

there is no Turkish look. Any Caucasoid can easily pass as a Turk. "Turkish" is a Nationality the same way "American is a nationality.

I agree with this. While I dont think she looks very belgium. I don't think she is out of place in many parts europe. I'm sticking to atlanto-pontid/ pontid and alpinid.

[Ar-Man]

For some reason she looks latin american... Mexican or even brazilian. The problem is that theres too much photoshop on the photo of her face, it looks a bit blushed.

True minha querida :wink

They say atlanto/Alpinid ? :D

This is the best example of Atlanto/Alpinid young woman, and she kicks miss Belgium's ass really hard in every possible way !!!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/263702_231862406836425_100000380037233_811827_2436 822_n.jpg

[Ar-Man]

As suspected she's turkish, dear masters of Anthropology ! :tsk: Apperently turks have Pan-European look :coffee:

Zeynep Sever

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeynep_Sever

http://u.jimdo.com/www26/o/sc60786ab265a419a/img/i998e6cd230f502ca/1278969761/std/zeynep-sever-miss-belgique-2009.jpg

No Turanid in here, just normal Pan-European look, I suppose in 30 years it'll become a sad Reality :coffee:

http://blogs.vlan.be/vlanbruxelles/files/2008/10/zeynep-sever.jpg


She has a very Western, Pan-Central European look, but she can also fit in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe.


Progressive Nordid/Northatlantid! :tsk:

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/belgium11.jpg

We can see the difference of Pan-European looking woman from those two.
http://www.missfloridausa.com/E-Zine/Images/aug06-09o.jpg

[Laubach]

She has turkish origin

[Ar-Man]

Bravo Dušan, it was a good way to show the immaturity of those amateurs.


She has turkish origin

Right Bro.
Comme on dit en France :
« Ce sont les tonneaux vides qui font le plus de bruit. »

[Laubach]

Bravo Dušan, it was a good way to show the immaturity of those amateurs.

Comme on dit en France :
« Ce sont les tonneaux vides qui font le plus de bruit. »

Dušan? My comment was not offensive

[Tchek]

As soon as I saw her pic, I thought "Turkish"

Doesn't look Belgian at all

[Ar-Man]

Dušan? My comment was not offensive

No bro it wasn't about you, Dušan is the guy who posted her photos as Belgian model, and a bunch of ignorants repeated like parrots that she have very pan European look :)

[billErobreren]

Maybe by features, but her overall look seems foreign to me. Maybe members of the countries I mentioned will feel the same about her look, I expressed my opinion, is something wrong with it? She doesn't look Belgian,German,Danish,French or English at all to me.

since when are the French & the Danish on the same page?!!:fwhat:
If you mean that she doesn't look Western European. then yes I agree but I don't think Denmark was ever mentioned as a place she'd fit in

[StonyArabia]

The only European she can be is a Crimean Tatar:p

She is beautiful either way

[exceeder]

No bro it wasn't about you, Dušan is the guy who posted her photos as Belgian model, and a bunch of ignorants repeated like parrots that she have very pan European look :)

With all do respect I didn't think she was belgium. Like I said, I thought she looked like Inna (romanian), and I did point out she was turkish at the top of page two. Do I think she has a rather pan european look? Yes, but that is only my opinion. If you disagree, I totally respect that, but there is no need to say I'm an ignorant parrot (I'm assuming you are talking about me because I did, and do say she has a relatively pan euro-look). :)

[Laubach]

since when are the French & the Danish on the same page?!!:fwhat:
If you mean that she doesn't look Western European. then yes I agree but I don't think Denmark was ever mentioned as a place she'd fit in

Well, was not mentioned, but some people in Flanders, Alsace-Lorraine and Normandy, can pass as Danish

[Ibericus]

SHe looks exotic. Doesn't look european. Is she really belgian ?

[StonyArabia]

Maybe a residue from the Kipchaks and Cumans in some areas like Hungary but in general she does not look European.


SHe looks exotic. Doesn't look european. Is she really belgian ?

No she is a Turk and her Turanid features are noticeable. She likely has Nogai or Crimean blood.

[billErobreren]

SHe looks exotic. Doesn't look european. Is she really belgian ?
apparently not, Turkish it seems

Well, was not mentioned, but some people in Flanders, Alsace-Lorraine and Normandy, can pass as Danish

Indeed but the French are quite varied anyone from Jaen to Scania can find a look alike in France:D but wait...aren't the Flemish Dutch-speaking? :confused:

[Ar-Man]

With all do respect I didn't think she was belgium. Like I said, I thought she looked like Inna (romanian), and I did point out she was turkish at the top of page two. Do I think she has a rather pan european look? Yes, but that is only my opinion. If you disagree, I totally respect that, but there is no need to say I'm an ignorant parrot (I'm assuming you are talking about me because I did, and do say she has a relatively pan euro-look). :)

No bro, you were the only one who wasn't blind :) and of course without forgetting Nairi who based on her instincts and not the anthropological speculations, smelled the turkish blood :D

[Laubach]

apparently not, Turkish it seems


Indeed but the French are quite varied anyone from Jaen to Scania can find a look alike in France:D but wait...aren't the Flemish Dutch-speaking? :confused:

Are varied, but there is a pattern in the French lines. Anyway, I can recognize.

Yes, the Flemish speak Dutch, but we enclose a part of Flanders and are now mixed with the French. In fact, the Franks originated in Friesland and then conquered France, so there is no genetic difference

[Hess]

As suspected she's turkish, dear masters of Anthropology ! :tsk: Apperently turks have Pan-European look :coffee:

Zeynep Sever

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeynep_Sever

http://u.jimdo.com/www26/o/sc60786ab265a419a/img/i998e6cd230f502ca/1278969761/std/zeynep-sever-miss-belgique-2009.jpg

No Turanid in here, just normal Pan-European look, I suppose in 30 years it'll become a sad Reality :coffee:

http://blogs.vlan.be/vlanbruxelles/files/2008/10/zeynep-sever.jpg



Progressive Nordid/Northatlantid! :tsk:

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/belgium11.jpg

We can see the difference of Pan-European looking woman from those two.
http://www.missfloridausa.com/E-Zine/Images/aug06-09o.jpg

I have repeated this many times over, but I will do so again to make sure that we all understand.

-There is no Turkish Look. No such thing as a Turkish look exists.

-Turkey, like America, Canada, Brazil, etc., is nothing more than a Geographical expression. To say someone "looks Turkish" has about as much weight as saying that someone "looks Canadian".

-Without their culture and national identity, "Turks" would be nothing more than a bunch of Balkanites, Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, etc. mixed together.

-It is very possible for a Turk to have a Pan Western-Central-Eastern European look, and she is clearly one of those who do.

-I never said she was a Nordid/Nord-Atlantid. I think she's a Pontid Med-Alpine.

[Saruman]

Mediterranid-Alpinid + Turanid influence.

http://www.zeynepsever.com/images/199.jpg

http://www.numberone.com.tr/foto_galeri/plog-content/images/galer__ler/zeynep-sever/6.jpg

[Ar-Man]

I have repeated this many times over, but I will do so again to make sure that we all understand.

-There is no Turkish Look. No such thing as a Turkish look exists.

-Turkey, like America, Canada, Brazil, etc., is nothing more than a Geographical expression. To say someone "looks Turkish" has about as much weight as saying that someone "looks Canadian".

-Without their culture and national identity, "Turks" would be nothing more than a bunch of Balkanites, Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, etc. mixed together.

-It is very possible for a Turk to have a Pan Western-Central-Eastern European look, and she is clearly one of those who do.

-I never said she was a Nordid/Nord-Atlantid. I think she's a Pontid Med-Alpine.

Ok товарищ, but sincerely put your hand on your hearth and tell me if this looks European :D

I think the Turanid component is obvious :)

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/belgium11.jpg

http://www.missfloridausa.com/E-Zine/Images/aug06-09o.jpg

[StonyArabia]

^ She has typical Turanid face. I don't think she looks Pontid-Alpine. More like Alpine-Turanid. The slant eyes and flat face does indicate Asiatic origins from the steppes. It's true that Turks range in look but, the original Turkmen Oghuz element which as Turanid is not rare either. There was migration of Nogai and Crimean Tatars to Turkey in recent years.

[Hess]

Ok товарищ, but sincerely put your hand on your hearth and tell me if this looks European :D

I think the Turanid component is obvious :)

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/belgium11.jpg

http://www.missfloridausa.com/E-Zine/Images/aug06-09o.jpg

If I only saw this specific picture, I would agree with you that she has some Turanid.

But if we look at all her pictures as whole, I would say that the Turanid component, if it exists, is very minimal.

I can show you some hungarians who look more Turanid than her :laugh:

[Saruman]

^ She has typical Turanid face. I don't she looks Pontid-Alpine. More like Alpine-Turanid. The slant eyes and flat face does indicate Asiatic origins from the steppes. It's true that Turks range in look but, the original Turkmen Oghuz element which as Turanid is not rare either. There was migration of Nogai and Crimean Tatars to Turkey as well.

She doesn't look like having very strong Turanid element.
Her flattish features look more to me Alpinoid derived. Turanid in the eyes and cheekbones primarily.

Turanid (Aralid), as Pamirid (also under Turanid) is Caucasoid.
http://www.mapability.com/blogs/travel/images/2008-07-01/08AS2545.jpg

[Ar-Man]

If I only saw this specific picture, I would agree with you that she has some Turanid.

But if we look at all her pictures as whole, I would say that the Turanid component, if it exists, is very minimal.

I can show you some hungarians who look more Turanid than her :laugh:

I think Dušan posted those cherry-picked photos to show the subjective judgment of our Master Anthropologists, who'll classify by ethnicity & not by morphology. Anyway Nairi was right using her instincts instead of useless speculations.

I think the Turanid Component is pretty there, for me this is more Pan-Central Asian look.

http://www.cinetelerevue.be/imf/c/eyJtYXNrIjoiNjE4eDM5NyIsIm0iOjExfQ/images/actus_interviews/zz_z_sever_09b_dedave.jpg

http://www.missbelgie.be/fr/sites/default/files/imagecache/Fotos_Bigsize/fotogalerij/2009-04-27-zeynep-sever-topcamera/img0931.jpg

[Incal]

She looks latina indeed. I don't think she'd pass in Central Europe.

[Hess]

I think Dusan posted those cherry-picked photos to show the subjective judgment of our Master Anthropologists, who'll classify by ethnicity & not by morphology. Anyway Nairi was right using her instincts instead of useless speculations.

I think the Turanid Component is pretty there, for me this is more Pan-Central Asian look.

http://www.cinetelerevue.be/imf/c/eyJtYXNrIjoiNjE4eDM5NyIsIm0iOjExfQ/images/actus_interviews/zz_z_sever_09b_dedave.jpg

http://www.missbelgie.be/fr/sites/default/files/imagecache/Fotos_Bigsize/fotogalerij/2009-04-27-zeynep-sever-topcamera/img0931.jpg


I think her alpine traits combined with Med ones (as well as her tan skin) produce the illusion of her having Turanid traits when she really doesn't.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, though :shrug:

[Ar-Man]

Miss Kazakhstan looks more European than her :D

http://www.ilgincvekomik.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Miss-Kazakhstan-2011-Valeriya-Aleinikova.jpg

[Ar-Man]

I think her alpine traits combined with Med ones (as well as her tan skin) produce the illusion of her having Turanid traits when she really doesn't.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, though :shrug:

Turanid features are in her chick-bones, nose & especially eyes, tan skin is just accentuating all that. :)
Anyway it's my opinion, and I think we have very good Example of Atlanto-med/Alpin admixture reference in the forum, I'm talking about Rosenrot, and you need to be blind to tell that they look similar !

[poiuytrewq0987]

She can fit anywhere in the Balkans. If she doesn't look "European" then the rest of the Balkans don't look European too. :coffee:

[dralos]

all these people kazakhi,turks...get more beautiful when they're mixed with europeans
if this doesn't mean european girls are the hottest then i don't know it anymore.
i'm not saying noneuropean mixed girls are ugly,but they just get hotter if they have euro blood

[Gunslinger]

Mediterranid-Alpinid + Turanid influence.

http://www.zeynepsever.com/images/199.jpg

http://www.numberone.com.tr/foto_galeri/plog-content/images/galer__ler/zeynep-sever/6.jpg


:confused::confused::confused:
Do you really think these pictures are of the same person?

[Saruman]

:confused::confused::confused:
Do you really think these pictures are of the same person?

Good point 1st is from site named after her (I assumed it's her site), and I wanted fast frontal photo of her, but now I don't think it's her.
2nd is hers surely.

This one is too.
http://images.habervitrini.com/devam_photo/org/ivgx38zeynep_sever.jpg

[Ar-Man]

She can fit anywhere in the Balkans. If she doesn't look "European" then the rest of the Balkans don't look European too. :coffee:

So you're assuming that it's a common phenotype of Balkans, and there's nothing else? :confused: :fcandle:

[poiuytrewq0987]

So you're assuming that it's a common phenotype of Balkans, and there's nothing else? :confused: :fcandle:

She wouldn't look out of place in the Balkans and that's the truth.

[Hess]

Indeed, there are more exotic types present in the Bakans than her.

[Ar-Man]

She wouldn't look out of place in the Balkans and that's the truth.

Well that is sad :coffee: I'm a visual Artist and my eyes are telling me this.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6777741697_9d7e55eb33_b.jpg

[Mordid]

...
:rotfl:

[Saruman]

If not for her slight Turanid she'd fit easily in a number of areas in Europe. With this Turanid, she stands out but there are some types that do so more.

For any one claiming she has strong Turanid I say you have no idea how Turanid proper looks like.

These are examples of Turanid by Von Eickstedt.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7113/turaniden2.jpg

Plus Turanids as you can see aren't supposed to have so flattish faces.. That's prerogative of Lappoids and related types.

[Hurrem sultana]

Are you serious? She's a beaty pageant? She's like 6.5/10, at most a 7. Meaning a completely regular girl, not even a very pretty one (very pretty regular girls get a 7.5, beautiful ones get 8, stunning is 8.5, while 9+ is probably what should be the beauty queens, sex symbols and movie stars).

you have a whole "Science" method regarding giving grades for women,,,wtf...what points do you give yourself btw?

[exceeder]

Indeed, there are more exotic types present in the Bakans than her.


If not for her slight Turanid she'd fit easily in a number of areas in Europe. With this Turanid, she stands out but there are some types that do so more.

For any one claiming she has strong Turanid I say you have no idea how Turanid proper looks like.

These are examples of Turanid by Von Eickstedt.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7113/turaniden2.jpg

Plus Turanids as you can see aren't supposed to have so flattish faces.. That's prerogative of Lappoids and related types.

I would be curious to hear Agrippa's opinion on this.

[Hurrem sultana]

The girl looks turkish and macedonian to me

[Arrow Cross]

Anything but a Northwestern European.

[dralos]

the girls doesn't live anymore in belgium,she has moved to turkey bcs she got maried to the turkish goalkeeper(forgot his name),the new miss belgium
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BMk7c-EUD9E/TwsvkDy7PTI/AAAAAAAAJTs/9I1iZXBRSSo/s1600/Laura%2BBeyne.jpg

compare her to miss kosovo 2010 i think bcs 2012 isn't still chosenhttp://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs787.ash1/167728_1773214620639_1547502564_31767055_3362174_n %20%20.jpg
this is european beauty at it's highest

[StonyArabia]

Miss Kazakhstan looks more European than her :D

http://www.ilgincvekomik.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Miss-Kazakhstan-2011-Valeriya-Aleinikova.jpg

She probably has a Russian mom.

[Hurrem sultana]

what is that? belgians love to be "multiculti" ? :D

[dralos]

what is that? belgians love to be "multiculti" ? :D
yeah some do,but there is a trend here where belgian males marry thos horrible asian dwarfs lol
i don't understand them,how can you chose them above a blond hottie

[Saruman]

I would be curious to hear Agrippa's opinion on this.

I'm quite positive that he'd say Alpino-Mediterranid with Mongoliform/Turanid influences like I did.:D

About Turands per Von Eickstedt, it is he who has "spread the word" on that.

[Saruman]

the girls doesn't live anymore in belgium,she has moved to turkey bcs she got maried to the turkish goalkeeper(forgot his name),the new miss belgium

It's Volkan Demirel. I had a classification thread about him. Progressive and dominant look he has.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25436

[AFC_Lad]

compare her to miss kosovo 2010 i think bcs 2012 isn't still chosenhttp://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs787.ash1/167728_1773214620639_1547502564_31767055_3362174_n %20%20.jpg
this is european beauty at it's highest

you can only describe this as beautiful, and nothing else

+1 kosvans or albanians or illyrians, or whatever the heck u wanna call urselves.

[Cail]

you have a whole "Science" method regarding giving grades for women,,,wtf...
Science? It's just my subjective opinion.


what points do you give yourself btw?
I'm not gay, you gotta ask a woman. Though i'd probably get smth like 6.5 for the mug and 8 for the body.

[Cail]

Miss Kazakhstan looks more European than her :D

http://www.ilgincvekomik.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Miss-Kazakhstan-2011-Valeriya-Aleinikova.jpg


She probably has a Russian mom.


She has a Russian lastname, so it's probably a Russian dad.

[gatoradedawg]

she is beautiful. Alpinid

[Ar-Man]

She has a Russian lastname, so it's probably a Russian dad.

How is her last-name ?

[Cail]

How is her last-name ?

Aleinikova. Валерия Алейникова.

[rashka]

If she was lighter-skinned with black hair and had different cheeks/jaws then she can pass as a European.

[Ar-Man]

Aleinikova. Валерия Алейникова.

Well Khazakhs have generally Russian type last name ending by ov/ova I can't find any source saying that she have Russian ancestry,I saw already khazakhs like this, anyway Turanid admixture is also visible but she looks way better than turkish miss Belgium.

[Cail]

Well Khazakhs have generally Russian type last name ending by ov/ova I can't find any source saying that she have Russian ancestry,I saw already khazakhs like this, anyway Turanid admixture is also visible but she looks way better than turkish miss Belgium.

Well, Oleinikov/Aleinikov is a common Russian lastname.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleinikov
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=oleinikov

She probably does have some Turanic addmixture though, i agree.

[heyaitsme]

I think she looks European, she's cute looking.