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Dušan
04-12-2026, 06:29 PM
Model your Balkan ancestry using Global25 coordinates - Western & Eastern Paleo-Balkan, E. Roman Anatolian & Slavic components

https://xorpde.github.io/


Breakdown and top 10 modern:

https://i.imgur.com/S3q7mtm.jpeg




Top 10 ancient:

https://i.imgur.com/RhSwdqt.jpeg




PCA plot

https://i.imgur.com/yBgWmaV.jpeg



Try it and post result. :)

Mortimer
04-12-2026, 06:42 PM
https://i.ibb.co/4w3gbYyV/IMG-20260412-203915.jpg (https://ibb.co/7xLN3Rc1)
https://i.ibb.co/ccb59jp4/IMG-20260412-203947.jpg (https://ibb.co/vxs5WSr0)
https://i.ibb.co/FLRS69bG/IMG-20260412-204013.jpg (https://ibb.co/dw8dBS0n)
https://i.ibb.co/fGnx2kN2/IMG-20260412-204045.jpg (https://ibb.co/S7d3PtmP)
https://i.ibb.co/1Jhmpr31/IMG-20260412-210209.jpg (https://ibb.co/Pz36bcRK)

Anatolya
04-12-2026, 06:56 PM
https://i.ibb.co/35QwFbmG/C7076-CDA-4-BE9-40-B1-833-D-47-E6299127-ED.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/TxGY0Cjg/21-E24304-1823-4-D93-8-B87-2-EC2060-D2302.png

https://i.ibb.co/Z6Dmd2PZ/8-DC7-B6-AC-BE3-E-4-BBA-9-D69-2468-D4824-F01.jpg

Mr. M
04-12-2026, 07:18 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/59pQCVw1/b1.png (https://postimg.cc/JtDzfS6d)


https://i.postimg.cc/k4sGKQRV/b2.png (https://postimg.cc/8JFTVrHD)



0.016 scaled = 59% Bosnian_Soli_Northeast + 41% Pomak_Bulgaria
0.016 scaled = 61% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 39% Serbian_Vojvodina_Region
0.017 scaled = 94% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 6% Slovenian_Central_Slovenia
0.017 scaled = 94% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 6% Slovenian_Mura
0.017 scaled = 94% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 6% Slovenian_Lower_Sava



0.016 scaled = 97% Serbia_Ottoman + 3% Iranic
0.016 scaled = 55% Serbia_Ottoman + 45% Montenegro_Medieval
0.017 scaled = 64% Montenegro_Medieval + 36% Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman
0.017 scaled = 91% Serbia_Medieval + 9% Macedonia_BA
0.017 scaled = 84% Bosnia_Herzegovina_Medieval + 16% Macedonia_BA

Katarzyna
04-12-2026, 07:20 PM
I got my Serbian friends from Niš (who are with me now) into taking an AncestryDNA test and they will bring their samples to post office in the next few days. Probably the calc will be relevant for them then.
We always drink from the same cup, I hope it will not influence their results and make them more Slavic than they are. :p

Dušan
04-12-2026, 07:24 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/59pQCVw1/b1.png (https://postimg.cc/JtDzfS6d)


https://i.postimg.cc/k4sGKQRV/b2.png (https://postimg.cc/8JFTVrHD)



0.016 scaled = 59% Bosnian_Soli_Northeast + 41% Pomak_Bulgaria
0.016 scaled = 61% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 39% Serbian_Vojvodina_Region
0.017 scaled = 94% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 6% Slovenian_Central_Slovenia
0.017 scaled = 94% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 6% Slovenian_Mura
0.017 scaled = 94% Serbian_Belgrade_Region + 6% Slovenian_Lower_Sava



0.016 scaled = 97% Serbia_Ottoman + 3% Iranic
0.016 scaled = 55% Serbia_Ottoman + 45% Montenegro_Medieval
0.017 scaled = 64% Montenegro_Medieval + 36% Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman
0.017 scaled = 91% Serbia_Medieval + 9% Macedonia_BA
0.017 scaled = 84% Bosnia_Herzegovina_Medieval + 16% Macedonia_BA

Quite similar to mine.
Both breakdown and pca plot.

We both missing Western paleo-Balkan - Illyrian. I think Romans exterminated most of Illyrians.

Mallisharrit
04-12-2026, 08:19 PM
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5291/CI0vV3.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3694/RgY0tc.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1159/FhSmfC.jpg

Maia Adria
04-12-2026, 08:21 PM
Model your Balkan ancestry using Global25 coordinates - Western & Eastern Paleo-Balkan, E. Roman Anatolian & Slavic components

https://xorpde.github.io/


Breakdown and top 10 modern:

https://i.imgur.com/S3q7mtm.jpeg




Top 10 ancient:

https://i.imgur.com/RhSwdqt.jpeg




PCA plot

https://i.imgur.com/yBgWmaV.jpeg



Try it and post result. :)

https://i.imgur.com/jlMKeNr.png

https://i.imgur.com/GaDNu5w.png

https://i.imgur.com/3QleWcm.png

Maia Adria
04-12-2026, 08:23 PM
Modern averages are quite sus. I discarded them.

Maia Adria
04-12-2026, 08:24 PM
Quite similar to mine.
Both breakdown and pca plot.

We both missing Western paleo-Balkan - Illyrian. I think Romans exterminated most of Illyrians.

Feiichy

https://i.imgur.com/oMI2QN3.png

https://i.imgur.com/oJMFY1g.png

https://i.imgur.com/3VtGJWf.png

Maia Adria
04-12-2026, 08:26 PM
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5291/CI0vV3.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3694/RgY0tc.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1159/FhSmfC.jpg

your pre Slavic breakdown?

Mallisharrit
04-12-2026, 08:34 PM
your pre Slavic breakdown?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3046/cgpJ8e.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6895/uWTjDP.jpg

Dušan
04-12-2026, 08:41 PM
Pre-Slavic profile:

https://i.imgur.com/V44Qhfx.jpeg

Alakasız
04-12-2026, 08:56 PM
147800
147801

tk'es
04-12-2026, 09:11 PM
https://i.ibb.co/hxCZGWpw/1.pnghttps://i.ibb.co/zdbqFV9/2.png

gixajo
04-12-2026, 10:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/vbfPGUh.png

https://i.imgur.com/Nw7fByJ.png

gixajo
04-12-2026, 10:19 PM
Taking the references used in this site I made a tiny Iberian calculator :p


Roman_Iberian,0.110788,0.151314,0.042866,0.005168, 0.042469,-0.000837,-0.003055,0.001461,0.022907,0.029887,-0.002815,0.008093,-0.011249,-0.013854,0.008596,-0.001636,-0.003607,-0.005363,-0.001676,-0.000042,-0.000666,0.001649,-0.000986,-0.010925,-0.001596
Iberian,0.1287826,0.147687,0.0595853,0.0027686,0.0 626051,-0.0015937,-0.0053044,0.000132,0.0407291,0.0493077,-0.0016703,0.0133167,-0.0249324,-0.0106757,0.0137657,-0.0002843,-0.0002794,-0.0019547,0.0067516,-0.0048239,0.009822,0.000954,-0.0019721,-0.0154063,-0.0017107

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9030% / 0.01902976
80.8 Roman_Iberian
19.2 Iberian

Rćdwald
04-12-2026, 10:41 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/VvTnSJ6d/Screenshot-2026-04-12-200852.png

https://i.postimg.cc/dtL9qY1y/Screenshot-2026-04-12-185943.png

https://i.postimg.cc/kXBynm48/Screenshot-2026-04-12-185957.png

https://i.postimg.cc/xTcP02Cm/Screenshot-2026-04-12-190843.png

Coastal Elite
04-12-2026, 11:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/zqwfXvs.png
https://i.imgur.com/AuYceeO.png

celticdragongod
04-12-2026, 11:51 PM
Taking the references used in this site I made a tiny Iberian calculator :p


Roman_Iberian,0.110788,0.151314,0.042866,0.005168, 0.042469,-0.000837,-0.003055,0.001461,0.022907,0.029887,-0.002815,0.008093,-0.011249,-0.013854,0.008596,-0.001636,-0.003607,-0.005363,-0.001676,-0.000042,-0.000666,0.001649,-0.000986,-0.010925,-0.001596
Iberian,0.1287826,0.147687,0.0595853,0.0027686,0.0 626051,-0.0015937,-0.0053044,0.000132,0.0407291,0.0493077,-0.0016703,0.0133167,-0.0249324,-0.0106757,0.0137657,-0.0002843,-0.0002794,-0.0019547,0.0067516,-0.0048239,0.009822,0.000954,-0.0019721,-0.0154063,-0.0017107

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9030% / 0.01902976
80.8 Roman_Iberian
19.2 Iberian

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.07786098 Roman_Iberian
0.09378357 Iberian

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 7.7861% / 0.07786098
100.0 Roman_Iberian

chinshen
04-13-2026, 12:12 AM
Ancient Distance to: Chinshen


0.03980844 Anatolian_IA
0.04260519 Ancient_Armenian
0.06267038 Levantine
0.06337167 Phrygian
0.06347935 Medieval_Levantine
0.06612213 BA_Levant
0.06677244 Eastern_Roman_Anatolian
0.06715075 MBA_Anatolia
0.07196177 Roman_Greek
0.07205853 Roman_Anatolian
0.07900755 Ancient_Caucasian
0.08932524 Armenia_IA
0.09033247 UKR_Crimea_Greek
0.09373345 Imperial_Roman
0.10474737 Medieval_Central_Italian
0.10649551 Late_Central_Italian_Latin_Italy
0.10754226 Iranic
0.11121965 Greece_Medieval
0.11260133 Greece_Ottoman
0.11409984 Medieval_Caucasian
0.11558275 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
0.11567052 Roman_Macedonia
0.11630413 BA_Mycenaean_Minoan
0.11834861 Ancient_Egyptian
0.11875543 Ancient_Greek
0.11924667 Greece_MBA
0.12004142 Roman_Italian
0.12025482 Greece_LBA_Mycenaean
0.12030491 Greece_IA_Delphi
0.12194580 Albania_Medieaval_Kenete_Northeastern_Durres
0.12425651 Ancient_Macedonian
0.12622297 Albania_Medieval_Barc_Southeast_Korca
0.12650587 Roman_Illyrian
0.12699239 Greece_EBA
0.12838017 Bulgaria_IA
0.12846837 Albania_Medieval
0.13114578 Albania_Ottoman
0.13197627 Vergina_Ancient_Macedonia
0.13268727 Albania_Medieval_Shtike_Southeastern_Kolonja
0.13424249 Macedonia_BA
0.13430990 Roman_Thracian
0.13529188 Roman_Moesia
0.13623958 Dacian
0.13732219 Thracian
0.13835801 Greece_Logkas_MBA
0.13940859 Roman_Dacian
0.13995861 Paeonian
0.14037911 Macedonia_IA
0.14269156 Dardanian
0.14326088 Macedonia_Ottoman
0.14379177 Early_Ottoman_Turk
0.14467752 Bulgaria_Medieval
0.14600579 Southern_Illyrian
0.14654777 Albania_BA
0.14851273 Montenegro_BA
0.15041547 Macedonia_Medieval
0.15149884 Croatia_BA
0.15204248 BA_Western_Balkan
0.15323520 BA_Sicily
0.15329849 Illyrian
0.15360024 Bulgaria_Ottoman
0.15410414 Bulgaria_BA
0.15419649 Albania_IA
0.15750217 Sicani_IA
0.15869814 Sardinian_Imperial_Roman_Late_Antiquity
0.15996661 Roman_Celtic
0.16070401 Croatia_IA
0.16107190 Slovenia_IA
0.16146890 Northern_Illyrian
0.16687946 Montenegro_Ottoman
0.16868903 Macedonia_Medieval_Tumba_S._Bitola_Opticari
0.17047834 IA_Italic
0.17137768 Etruscan
0.17207528 Serbia_Maros_BA
0.17209699 Serbia_Early_Medieval_Slavic
0.17214804 Albania_LN
0.17382399 Montenegro_Medieval
0.17406545 Slovenia_BA
0.17424626 Roman_Iberian
0.17596739 Greece_N
0.17812489 Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman
0.17847665 Serbia_Mokrin_BA
0.17890727 Serbia_Medieval
0.17905223 Bulgaria_Medieval_Bulgar
0.17961371 Serbia_Ottoman
0.18439192 Bosnia_Herzegovina_Ottoman
0.18450003 Macedonia_N
0.18456297 Bosnia_Herzegovina_Medieval
0.18666678 LBA_Carpathian_Basin
0.18916287 Romania_BA
0.19019598 Croatia_Ottoman
0.19033618 Croatia_Medieval
0.19038727 Celtic
0.19077344 IA_France
0.19370657 BA_Northern_Balkans
0.19379131 Continental_Celtic_IA
0.20697232 Iberian
0.20956133 Sarmatian
0.21205093 Germanic_Early_Medieval
0.21336624 Ukraine_Medieval
0.21724400 Germanic_Medieval
0.21926146 Germanic
0.22075392 Balto_Slavic
0.22581514 Avar
0.22710489 Nordic_Viking
0.22936106 Germanic_IA
0.23229633 Medieval_Polish
0.23281229 Balto_Slavic_Medieval
0.25900797 North_Africa
0.26541088 Scythian
0.33869291 Magyar
0.33971613 Bulgar
0.34746148 Uralic
0.38601662 Turkic
0.50794874 Hun



Modern Distance to: Chinshen


0.04528684 Greek_Caucasus
0.04896196 Greek_Trabzon
0.06208708 Greek_Cappadocia
0.06328418 Greek_Cyprus
0.08411529 Greek_Chios
0.08459260 Greek_Dodecanese
0.08509687 Greek_Symi
0.08865442 Greek_North_Aegean
0.08900053 Italian_Calabria
0.09396336 Greek_Euboea_Central
0.09465469 Greek_South_Aegean
0.09471591 Greek_Crete
0.09638002 Italian_Campania
0.09660025 Italian_Sicily
0.10280085 Italian_Basilicata
0.10393009 Greek_Cyclades
0.10519019 Greek_Ionia
0.10566426 Greek_Andros
0.10706754 Italian_Molise
0.10736592 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10745230 Italian_Apulia
0.11209818 Greek_Central_Greece
0.11318336 Greek_Athens
0.11432221 Greek_Attica
0.11432866 Greek
0.11692127 Greek_Ionian_Islands
0.11859166 Greek_Western_Greece
0.11904397 Italian_Lazio
0.11938467 Greek_Peloponnese
0.11961226 Italian_Marche
0.11977020 Greek_Mainland
0.12069925 Greek_Phthiotida
0.12125887 Greek_Euboea_South
0.12176182 Greek_Corinthia
0.12263558 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
0.12379973 Albanian_Greece
0.12409624 Greek_Bulgaria
0.12413061 Greek_Western_Thrace
0.12424050 Greek_Thessaly
0.12589976 Albanian_South_County_Vlore
0.12605751 Greek_Epirus
0.12620513 Albanian_Chameria_Epirus
0.12642106 Albanian_South_County_Gjirokaster
0.12708283 Albanian_Tosk
0.12710334 Albanian_South_County_Fier
0.12810804 Albanian_South
0.12825482 Albanian_South_County_Berat
0.12867027 Greek_Boeotia
0.12903653 Italian_Umbria
0.12959374 Bulgarian_Ukraine
0.13063156 Albanian_Central_County_Elbasan
0.13097410 Albanian_Arbereshe_Italy
0.13114398 Albanian_Central_County_Durres
0.13127244 Albanian_Central
0.13171124 Macedonian_Torbesh
0.13204911 Albanian_Central_County_Tirana
0.13273831 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.13339933 Albanian_South_County_Korce
0.13355102 Greek_Macedonia
0.13361318 Albanian
0.13407647 Greek_Central_Macedonia_Pella
0.13425108 Greek_Western_Macedonia_Grevena
0.13464353 Italian
0.13503064 Greek_Western_Macedonia
0.13508314 Greek_Western_Macedonia_Kastoria
0.13512607 Aromanian
0.13513803 Albanian_Macedonia
0.13575992 Greek_Western_Macedonia_Florina
0.13583167 Macedonian_Greece_Florina
0.13635515 Albanian_North_County_Lezhe
0.13648777 Greek_Central_Macedonia_Rural
0.13669062 Italian_Tuscany
0.13690858 Macedonian_Southeast
0.13748650 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia_Thrace
0.13754189 Albanian_Gheg
0.13769087 Italian_Emilia_Romagna
0.13779966 Macedonian_Southwest
0.13782464 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
0.13793827 Macedonian_Pelagonia
0.13813469 Greek_Thrace
0.13814404 Albanian_North
0.13819484 Macedonian_Vardar
0.13820959 Gagauz
0.13828716 Turkish_Macedonia
0.13887936 Albanian_North_County_Kukes
0.13895654 Albanian_North_County_Diber
0.13943526 Albanian_Kosovo
0.13966079 Macedonian
0.13967951 Albanian_North_County_Shkoder
0.14020523 Swiss_Italian
0.14044884 Albanian_Montenegro
0.14055297 Greek_Northern_Thrace
0.14057043 Albanian_Serbia
0.14107333 Bulgarian_Southeast_Thrace
0.14148671 Macedonian_Skopje
0.14205022 Macedonian_Polog
0.14464160 Pomak
0.14519907 Macedonian_East
0.14633649 Bulgarian_Northeast
0.14646367 Macedonian_Northeast
0.14656783 Pomak_Greece
0.14678957 Albanian_Bosnia
0.14739577 Bulgarian_Southcentral_Rhodopes
0.15031318 Italian_Lombardy
0.15040145 Pomak_Bulgaria
0.15054545 Bulgarian_Northcentral
0.15151000 Romanian_Dobruja
0.15155643 Bulgarian_Southwest_Pirin
0.15164148 Italian_Liguria
0.15179440 Bulgarian
0.15345256 Romanian_Wallachia
0.15597052 Italian_Veneto
0.15616538 Bulgarian_Sofia
0.15675818 Bulgarian_Northwest
0.15676232 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia
0.15755655 Montenegrin_CoastalRegion
0.15839021 Montenegrin_CentralRegion
0.15921642 Montenegrin
0.15950369 Romanian_Oltenia
0.16023017 Bosnian_Sandzak
0.16025386 Montenegrin
0.16097810 Italian_Piedmont
0.16144141 Serbian_Montenegro
0.16169561 Serbian_Kosovo
0.16172274 Montenegrin_NorthernRegion
0.16202390 Serbian_South_East
0.16319771 Italian_Trentino_SouthTyrol
0.16377896 Romanian
0.16425550 Romanian_Banat
0.16598421 Romanian_Transylvania
0.16776370 Romanian_Moldavia
0.16979814 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.17061787 Romanian_Crisana
0.17110851 Romanian_Bukovina
0.17126235 Bosnian_Hum_South
0.17170160 Romanian_Maramures
0.17283354 Serbian_Belgrade_Region
0.17307492 Serbian
0.17389912 Serbian_Central_West
0.17540654 Moldovan
0.17548170 Serbian_Republika_Srpska
0.17567155 Serbian_Vojvodina_Region
0.17692957 Serbian_Bosnia
0.17699685 Bosnian_Podrinje_East
0.18203023 Bosnian_Tropolje_Western-Herzegovina
0.18267093 Serbian_Croatia
0.18316777 Bosnian_Bosnia_Central
0.18436165 Croatian_Dalmatia
0.18441808 Bosnian
0.18631784 Bosnian_Donji_Kraji_West-Central
0.18726959 Croatian_Kvarner
0.18835858 Croatian_Istria
0.18881522 Bosnian_Krajina_Northwest
0.18962676 Bosnian_Usora_North-Central
0.18976276 Croatian_Central
0.18997376 Croatian_Bosnia
0.19026563 Croatian
0.19063164 Bosnian_Soli_Northeast
0.19126099 Bosnian_Glaz_North
0.19213203 Croatian_Slavonia
0.19429952 Italian_Sardinia
0.19459360 Croatian_Pannonia
0.19545580 Slovenian_Coastal_Karst
0.19812305 Slovenian_Southeast_Slovenia
0.19930522 Slovenian_Littoral_Inner_Carniola
0.19984290 Slovenian_Gorizia
0.20009893 Slovenian_Lower_Sava
0.20009982 Slovenian_Drava
0.20069189 Slovenian
0.20183530 Slovenian_Mura
0.20299967 Slovenian_Upper_Carniola
0.20313770 Slovenian_Central_Slovenia
0.20314119 Slovenian_Savinja
0.20410590 Slovenian_Carinthia

Kostek
04-13-2026, 10:27 AM
Grandpa:
E. Roman Anatolian
8.4%
Slavic
91.4%
Other
0.2%
Fit distance
0.02231739

I just get 100% Slavic :D

Katarzyna
04-13-2026, 12:43 PM
Grandpa:
E. Roman Anatolian
8.4%
Slavic
91.4%
Other
0.2%
Fit distance
0.02231739

I just get 100% Slavic :D

This calculators are not made for us, Kostek

Fistora
04-13-2026, 01:06 PM
https://ibb.co/xqpMLGn8


W. Paleo-Balkan
10.6%
Slavic
89.4%

noricum
04-13-2026, 07:22 PM
W. Paleo-Balkan 31.4%
Slavic 68.6%

Fit distance 0.02701935


1 Slovenian Littoral Inner Carniola Slovenia Modern 0.022668
2 Slovenian Coastal Karst Slovenia Modern 0.022779
3 Slovenian Central Slovenia Slovenia Modern 0.022802
4 Slovenian Savinja Slovenia Modern 0.022901
5 Slovenian Slovenia Modern 0.023009
6 Slovenian Drava Slovenia Modern 0.023024
7 Slovenian Upper Carniola Slovenia Modern 0.023090
8 Slovenian Lower Sava Slovenia Modern 0.023215
9 Slovenian Southeast Slovenia Slovenia Modern 0.023371
10 Slovenian Carinthia Slovenia Modern 0.024391

Wend-Kruzek
04-14-2026, 02:14 PM
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17.3%
82.7%
W. Paleo-Balkan
17.3%
Slavic
82.7%
Fit distance
0.02208566
- lower is better, <0.02 is good
What do these mean?
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# Sample Country Period Distance
1 Slovenian Savinja Slovenia Modern 0.022703
2 Slovenian Central Slovenia Slovenia Modern 0.022933
3 Slovenian Drava Slovenia Modern 0.023100
4 Slovenian Lower Sava Slovenia Modern 0.023312
5 Slovenian Slovenia Modern 0.023506
6 Slovenian Mura Slovenia Modern 0.023538
7 Slovenian Carinthia Slovenia Modern 0.023638
8 Slovenian Southeast Slovenia Slovenia Modern 0.023788
9 Slovenian Upper Carniola Slovenia Modern 0.023809
10 Slovenian Littoral Inner Carniola Slovenia Modern 0.024325
11 Slovenian Coastal Karst Slovenia Modern 0.025297
12 Croatian Pannonia Croatia Modern 0.025447
13 Croatian Slavonia Croatia Modern 0.026986
14 Slovenian Gorizia Slovenia Modern 0.027649


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