Yemenite Jews are 20% R1b.

[Isinimo]

https://i.postimg.cc/3xsJN6Xz/frie6qvxf0ee1.webp

Most of the R1b looks to be under R1b-Z2103 and the P-M45 is misread Q and it funnily seems to be virtually all under Q1a-L330.

I even share a subclade under J2 with these guys, and only these guys (one individual though). TRMCA 5500 YBP. (https://jewishdna.net/AB-693.html)

43% J-M304 - 37% K-M9 - 17% E-M35 - 3% Other (G, L, A etc)

[Radegast]

oy vey

[Isinimo]

oy vey

Most "Oriental" Jewish group are looking very European right now.

[Florstadt]

Okay, and? Who cares who is European and who is not?

[chinshen]

Most "Oriental" Jewish group are looking very European right now.

R1b-Z2103 is not really European. My Y-Haplo is R1b-Z2103 and and 0% European DNA, about 30% of Assyrians carry R1b-Z2103.

[Isinimo]

Okay, and? Who cares who is European and who is not?

Lol... You, you care otherwise you wouldn't really be a Zionist. The whole thing is about connecting Jews to the Levant or what you call "Eretz Yisrael" it is in the East Mediterranean, not Europe. So if this isn't what you care about then what makes you a Zionist in the first place?

[Isinimo]

R1b-Z2103 is not really European. My Y-Haplo is R1b-Z2103 and and 0% European DNA, about 30% of Assyrians carry R1b-Z2103.

It was first carried by Steppe Herders, who lived in Russia and one of the first Indo-European speakers so it doesn't make sense to rule it out as not European, though it originally was. Plus it's sarcasm.

[Isinimo]

Rest assured that J2 is likely a Sabaean convert.

[Florstadt]

It’s fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics in this thread. On one hand, you acknowledge that R1b-Z2103 is a quintessential West Asian/Middle Eastern marker (found in high frequencies among Assyrians, Armenians, and Kurds), yet in the same breath, you try to "disconnect" it from the Levant just to score points against Jews.

This obsession with "European-ness" or trying to quantify who "looks" European is a phenomenon that exists almost exclusively in these internet echo chambers. In the real world, phenotype is a spectrum, and identity isn't determined by a magnifying glass or a 5,000-year-old mutation from the Steppe.

[Isinimo]

It’s fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics in this thread. On one hand, you acknowledge that R1b-Z2103 is a quintessential West Asian/Middle Eastern marker (found in high frequencies among Assyrians, Armenians, and Kurds), yet in the same breath, you try to "disconnect" it from the Levant just to score points against Jews.

This obsession with "European-ness" or trying to quantify who "looks" European is a phenomenon that exists almost exclusively in these internet echo chambers. In the real world, phenotype is a spectrum, and identity isn't determined by a magnifying glass or a 5,000-year-old mutation from the Steppe.

If trying to "disconnect" Jews from the Levant is this easy then I should make a hobby out of it. Never said it was a "quintessential West Asian/Middle Eastern marker" lol?, straight up put words in my mouth. Rather infact, R-Z2103 in my view is a symbolic coconut, and to an extent R-Z93 they both made themselves apparent in the Middle East but their origins lie elsewhere. Not going into the other bit about "European-ness" appearances. It's obviously wrong, you just never been anywhere outside of Israel I assume or read their sociological history. Who cares about goyim history anyway, the world started 6,000 ago then Adam, then Noah's ark, Abraham, then Moses yadayada.

[Florstadt]

The fact remains that this clade has been part of the West Asian landscape for a long time.

As for your assumptions about me: I’ve traveled half of Europe and I hold European citizenship. The difference between us is that I don’t feel the need to obsess over the label. I find the European vs. Non-European gatekeeping in these forums to be a tedious, 19th-century hobby that has zero relevance in the real world.

I didn't bring up Zionism. You did (Post #6), because you clearly view these genetic charts as a political scoreboard. If you’re genuinely interested in Yemenite Jewish history, that’s great. But if you’re just looking for genetic gotchas to invalidate a group's identity, it’s transparent and, frankly, quite boring.

[Sonny001]

If we play this mental gymnastics then we can say that R nationalists are descendants of Negrito Hoabinhian people and the whole Yamnaya superiority is nonsense. Yamnaya, Magyars, Turks, Mongols were rapists that enslaved other groups and formed coalitions.

[Isinimo]

If we play this mental gymnastics then we can say that R nationalists are descendants of Negrito Hoabinhian people and the whole Yamnaya superiority is nonsense. Yamnaya, Magyars, Turks, Mongols were rapists that enslaved other groups and formed coalitions.

That needs to be common knowledge.