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cass

05-19-2026, 09:06 PM

https://i.ibb.co/XxXgBTGQ/Zrzut-ekranu-19-5-2026-212416.jpg (https://ibb.co/LdSWwfsF)

Were the Visigoths and Suebi related to the Slavs?
Above are groups of samples from that period and from the SW region which show IBD correlations either with the Wielbark culture or with Slavs.
Considering the passage of time, it can be concluded that the Iberian samples correlated with our region are equally related to both the Wielbark culture and the Slavs.
Individual samples: https://ibb.co/v4K4Qd5G
I did not include the samples labeled as unknown here, since they could belong either to Italy or to Iberia.

The conclusion is IMHO that, while the connection with Northern Slavs is detectable in IBD, autosomally the relationship appears to be only indirect.
https://i.ibb.co/Z6bm9Zyw/Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-27.png (https://ibb.co/gMcVYnsX)

I was not able to find all the G25 samples.
These are the correlating samples, in case anyone wants to check for themselves:

Italy_Imperial.SG:R125.SG__AD_200__Cov_55.74%,0.11 7238,0.153345,-0.009051,-0.047804,0.008309,-0.010598,0.00564,-0.005077,-0.002045,0.016766,0.002111,0.002548,-0.013082,-0.012799,-0.007872,0.011138,0.019818,0.005194,0.003645,-0.0005,0.000998,0.002226,-0.007518,-0.003735,0.003353
Italy_Imperial.SG:R1543.SG__AD_200__Cov_69.42%,0.0 99026,0.14319,-0.028661,-0.062016,0.007694,-0.018686,0.000235,-0.006923,0.001023,0.020957,0.00406,0.001049,-0.004608,-0.001101,-0.0038,-0.004243,-0.007823,0.003294,-0.002514,-0.008379,-0.003494,-0.004451,-0.00419,-0.008435,0.002155
Italy_Imperial.SG:R49.SG__AD_200__Cov_77.08%,0.109 27,0.153345,-0.00264,-0.039729,0.015695,-0.020359,0.00423,-0.003231,-0.001841,0.015672,0.005521,0.007343,-0.010852,0.002615,-0.008686,0.005171,0.005085,-0.003801,0.003017,-0.005628,-0.000873,0.000618,0.000123,-0.00735,0.004071
Italy_Imperial.SG:R71.SG__AD_200__Cov_62.65%,0.111 547,0.161469,-0.042238,-0.067507,-0.006155,-0.03012,-0.001175,-0.009461,-0.014317,0.020593,0.002923,0.005995,-0.013677,0.005918,-0.020222,-0.012066,0.012517,0.001014,0.003142,0.003627,-0.002995,-0.006801,-0.000246,0.007591,-0.003473
Italy_Imperial.SG:R72.SG__AD_200__Cov_61.11%,0.116 1,0.145221,-0.033564,-0.069768,-0.002462,-0.028447,0.008225,-0.009,-0.005113,0.027518,0.005846,0.006294,0.001487,0.003 165,-0.014929,-0.002784,0.00691,0.001774,0.004902,0.00025,0.00025 ,0.007296,-0.007518,0.001687,0.006706

Italy_Imperial_oAnatoliaCaucasus.SG:R67.SG__AD_200 __Cov_86.02%,0.080814,0.133034,-0.055437,-0.055556,-0.023081,-0.013108,0.00423,-0.008307,-0.014317,-0.00492,0.008931,-0.004346,0.005649,-0.002064,-0.009093,0.013392,0.011213,0.001774,-0.002137,-0.003126,-0.001373,-0.003215,0.001725,-0.000843,0.00958

Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10% ,0.113823,0.152329,0,-0.030362,0.018773,-0.006136,0.00188,-0.004384,0.003681,0.024966,-0.005684,0.01094,-0.008325,0.002064,-0.013301,-0.008618,-0.011735,0.00266,0.009804,-0.009379,-0.001747,-0.000247,0.00456,-0.001446,-0.010179
Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R122.SG__AD_500__Cov_81.23% ,0.101303,0.152329,0,-0.046835,0.01508,-0.019801,-0.005405,-0.000923,0.005931,0.027335,0.003248,0.006145,-0.013082,0.005918,-0.006243,-0.010872,-0.011343,-0.003167,0.003268,-0.007128,-0.005615,-0.003215,0.000986,0.002771,0.000718
Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R134.SG__AD_400__Cov_74.97% ,0.099026,0.148267,-0.030547,-0.061047,0.008001,-0.022032,-0.006815,-0.004384,-0.001432,0.022597,0,0.003897,0.005054,0.004129,-0.0076,-0.005171,0.002217,-0.000633,-0.006913,-0.001251,-0.001123,0.00371,-0.003204,0.004458,-0.002395
Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R136.SG__AD_400__Cov_88.98% ,0.108132,0.152329,-0.012822,-0.042636,0.009848,-0.016455,-0.001645,-0.005538,0,0.013485,0.006658,0.005395,-0.003122,0.003578,-0.0095,0.000928,0.007171,0.00266,0.008422,-0.003877,0.000998,0.004822,0.000493,-0.000482,0.004191
Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R34.SG__AD_500__Cov_73.50%, 0.099026,0.150298,-0.022627,-0.061047,0.003693,-0.021196,-0.000705,-0.000231,-0.001227,0.024784,0.002598,0.003597,-0.007433,0.002064,-0.009772,-0.00305,0.008475,0.003167,-0.001006,-0.003502,-0.007112,0.005441,-0.000123,0.000482,-0.002994

Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%,0.120652,0.137096,0.045632,0.03 7791,0.036007,0.006136,-0.00235,0.003,0.000409,0.003827,-0.002273,0.008692,-0.00773,-0.009909,0.011536,0.003713,-0.001434,0.002027,0.015587,-0.008754,0.012728,0.007419,0.002218,0.008796,-0.005508

Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%,0.136588,0.140143,0.064488,0.045 543,0.048317,0.009761,0.00047,0.010846,0.011862,0. 006743,0.002436,0.003897,-0.002081,-0.014313,0.016694,0.021214,0.008475,0.000633,0.004 902,0.011506,0.009109,0.006801,-0.005916,0.012291,-0.003113

Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%,0.119514,0.145221,0.03017,-0.005814,0.040931,-0.00502,0.002115,0.002769,0.015544,0.018041,0.0029 23,0.000599,-0.006541,-0.002477,0.004614,-0.005569,-0.011343,-0.008868,0.001634,-0.001,0.001123,0.002102,-0.002835,-0.00735,0.001317

Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%,0.132 035,0.139128,0.063733,0.068153,0.036314,0.016455,0 .00611,0.010384,-0.001227,-0.007472,-0.004709,0.008243,-0.01115,0.000963,0.030401,-0.004906,-0.032857,0.004941,0.010182,0.002626,0.007861,0.007 543,0.003328,0.013857,0.000599
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%,0.127482,0.132019,0.062225,0. 054264,0.043085,0.02008,0.002585,0.009692,0.002863 ,-0.00656,-0.001949,0.003297,-0.017245,-0.006055,0.02633,0.001458,-0.009648,0.002534,0.006788,0.008004,0.003369,0.002 72,0.000863,0.017954,0.000958
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%,0.1 32035,0.128972,0.062225,0.062339,0.0437,0.021753,0 .00893,0.014769,-0.007567,-0.005649,-0.006171,-0.001199,-0.017096,-0.012248,0.037866,-0.003978,-0.024773,0.004814,0.004022,0.015132,0.007861,0.011 005,0.001849,0.017593,-0.005748
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%,0.133173 ,0.132019,0.063356,0.037468,0.043393,0.0251,0.0075 2,0.003231,0.00225,0.000364,-0.01023,0.004646,-0.01665,-0.000138,0.02918,0.004906,-0.010822,0.007475,0.005782,0.004627,0.00574,0.0044 51,-0.003944,0.013616,-0.00479
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%,0.135449,0.131003,0.0 69767,0.048127,0.0397,0.014223,0.006815,0.016384,0 .007363,0.002734,-0.013316,0.000749,-0.009217,-0.004679,0.02538,0.004243,-0.022687,0.006588,0.008045,-0.005628,0.007487,0.009398,-0.005793,0.005543,0.006826
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%,0.134311,0.138112,0.065996,0.0 5491,0.038469,0.010877,0.00799,0.011076,-0.005113,-0.01221,-0.009419,0.005245,-0.013528,-0.01101,0.037052,0.01538,-0.004955,0.003801,0.004651,0.004002,0.014724,0.010 758,-0.000616,0.01205,0.001437

Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%,0.129758,0.144205,0.046009,0.0 08075,0.0397,0.004183,0.00893,0.004384,0.011862,0. 007107,-0.001786,0.004796,-0.00669,0.004129,0.006786,-0.003978,-0.00339,0.00152,-0.002137,-0.001876,0.004118,0.004204,0,0.014821,0.005149
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%,0.120652,0.142174,0.036958,0.0 07752,0.027697,0.001116,0.009635,-0.001154,0.008795,0.009112,-0.005359,0.012139,-0.013082,0.000413,0.007193,-0.008221,-0.01708,0.003674,-0.003394,-0.00075,-0.000749,-0.004204,-0.00037,0.010122,-0.000718
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%,0.125205,0.14319,0.049026,0.02 6163,0.040007,0.005578,0.00423,0.004615,0.002863,0 .007472,-0.001299,0.001199,-0.009217,0.001101,0.006786,-0.00411,-0.018384,-0.001014,0.002011,-0.008004,0.005366,0.006306,-0.00456,0.003856,0.006466

Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_3.AG:CL38.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_66.94%,0.097888,0.144205,-0.015085,-0.054587,0.003385,-0.012829,-0.005875,-0.006231,-0.008181,0.019499,0.004547,0.001049,-0.007879,-0.005367,-0.012622,-0.003713,0.00691,0.000633,0,-0.001251,0.003244,0.010758,0.000863,0.010604,0.005 628

Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_o3.AG:CL121.A G__AD_605__Cov_75.50%,0.102441,0.151314,0.003017,-0.037145,0.019696,-0.01506,-0.000235,-0.006,0.001841,0.029704,-0.006496,0.008093,-0.013082,0.000826,-0.003257,-0.008221,-0.007041,0.006588,-0.003645,-0.005378,-0.00287,0.002226,-0.000616,0.00723,-0.005029

Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%,0.112685,0.14319,0.021496,-0.01292,0.03416,-0.006136,-0.003055,0.000462,0.01943,0.032074,-0.00406,0.009142,-0.021258,-0.007294,-0.003257,-0.005967,0.00352,-0.002407,-0.002137,-0.008129,0.006863,0.002844,-0.003328,-0.000602,-0.011855

Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11833 .SG__AD_311__Cov_64.51%,0.108132,0.160454,0.020742 ,-0.046512,0.050779,-0.019243,-0.00423,-0.002308,0.031292,0.054489,0.006983,0.008243,-0.021704,-0.007294,-0.006786,-0.002784,0.008605,0,-0.00729,-0.003752,-0.000624,0.003339,-0.013064,-0.008194,0.008861
Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11834 .SG__AD_187__Cov_67.67%,0.10927,0.164516,0.013953,-0.054264,0.047086,-0.028447,-0.007755,0.000462,0.021475,0.045377,0.008769,0.010 041,-0.018137,-0.019267,-0.01045,-0.002254,0.011213,-0.00152,0.004902,-0.0005,-0.001248,-0.000989,-0.006532,-0.014219,-0.001557

Italy_Sicily_Marsala_Roman:I12849__AD_160__Cov_67. 46%,0.073985,0.126941,-0.058077,-0.066861,-0.010463,-0.03514,-0.00376,-0.007615,0.002454,0.013303,0.004872,0.000599,0.011 447,-0.005505,-0.000679,0.005569,-0.001956,-0.009122,-0.005154,-0.002251,0.003619,-0.004575,0.002095,-0.000843,0.004071
I24680,0.083091,0.153345,-0.012822,-0.057171,0.012310,-0.024542,0.003290,-0.001846,0.015748,0.028611,0.001137,-0.002248,-0.001189,-0.007707,-0.004614,0.006895,0.016820,-0.005068,-0.004399,-0.000375,-0.005116,-0.009521,-0.004067,0.002892,-0.001557

Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%,0.103579,0.138112,0.036204,-0.007429,0.042777,-0.011156,-0.001645,0.006923,0.027815,0.030069,-0.009094,0.008542,-0.005946,-0.017616,0.00855,-0.000265,-0.004042,-0.001774,-0.008422,-0.002876,0.004866,0.001731,-0.004067,-0.002169,-0.00012

I28354,0.106994,0.146236,0.025267,-0.011951,0.035083,-0.011713,-0.000235,0.006231,0.023111,0.037358,0.013153,0.003 297,-0.008028,-0.000413,0.002714,0.009679,0.000261,0.000127,0.003 142,-0.011506,-0.000998,0.015704,-0.001356,-0.003133,0.002874

I29525,0.101303,0.147252,0.032055,-0.017119,0.038469,-0.008088,-0.003760,-0.002308,0.027406,0.032802,0.000000,0.007044,-0.013974,-0.012661,0.004479,-0.004906,-0.022426,-0.004561,0.001257,-0.001251,0.002121,-0.006554,-0.004067,0.002289,-0.000239

I23273,0.135449,0.125926,0.049026,0.038760,0.04216 2,0.017849,0.004935,0.006231,0.002454,0.004191,-0.004872,0.001199,-0.000297,-0.000550,0.014522,0.010607,-0.003520,0.007855,0.010684,0.000750,0.001996,0.002 968,-0.001602,0.015062,-0.001676
I23764,0.119514,0.158423,0.053174,-0.001292,0.049240,-0.007530,0.000000,0.000000,0.027815,0.036265,-0.006983,0.017984,-0.023786,-0.011836,0.008686,-0.003447,0.001956,-0.002534,-0.001383,0.000000,0.002246,0.002226,-0.016885,-0.003615,-0.002754
I23772,0.140002,0.136081,0.061094,0.055556,0.04246 9,0.025379,-0.002115,0.002538,0.000614,0.002369,-0.002111,0.001199,-0.011893,-0.005643,0.018594,0.003447,-0.007171,-0.000633,0.007290,0.013131,0.001622,0.002102,0.002 342,-0.000482,-0.004550

I22103,0.124067,0.131003,0.049780,0.035853,0.03693 0,0.014502,0.009870,0.008307,0.003886,0.003462,-0.005684,0.003597,-0.004014,0.003578,0.014929,-0.006629,-0.006780,0.003801,0.006034,0.002751,0.000499,0.001 360,-0.005053,0.006386,-0.002036

Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%,0. 127482,0.132019,0.035449,0.017765,0.035699,0.00948 2,0.01034,0.01223,0.001841,0.005103,-0.009094,-0.002248,-0.006987,-0.007294,0.003664,-0.00411,0.006128,0.005828,-0.007165,0.004127,-0.000499,0.003957,-0.001849,0.003012,-0.007065

Spain_Visigoth_Granada.AG:I3576.AG__AD_482__Cov_71 .31%,0.079676,0.145221,0.01961,-0.034884,0.031083,-0.017291,-0.0047,0.007615,0.037837,0.032438,-0.002598,0.002847,-0.001041,-0.001376,0.014522,-0.010209,-0.000522,0.005194,-0.01081,0.002376,0.003868,-0.019166,0.008381,-0.011809,0.003233

I19667,0.114961,0.145221,0.016216,-0.012597,0.022466,-0.001673,-0.000470,0.002308,0.003272,0.018770,0.003897,0.002 997,-0.006392,0.000688,-0.000679,0.001724,-0.001434,-0.006461,-0.000377,0.002626,-0.007362,0.001113,-0.001232,0.002651,0.005029
I19670,0.050082,0.146236,0.014331,-0.048773,0.038469,-0.019801,-0.011281,0.006692,0.049290,0.025331,-0.000325,-0.002548,0.005649,-0.012386,0.010722,-0.013392,-0.002738,-0.008488,-0.023883,0.007629,-0.003868,-0.025596,0.011092,0.000361,0.005987

Target: cass
Distance: 3.6117% / 0.03611724
39.8 I23772 Spain_Roman_Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
33.8 I22103 Spain_Roman_Vandal_North_Castello_Alcolea
23.2 I23273 Spain_Roman_Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
3.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG

I added:

ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%,0.130897,0.125926,0. 084852,0.070737,0.044316,0.031515,0.013631,0.01546 1,-0.002045,-0.020593,-0.006008,-0.007343,0.017245,0.027937,-0.007872,-0.006629,-0.010431,0.006334,0.001634,0.001876,-0.009358,-0.004081,0.001232,-0.016147,0.002515

Target: cass
Distance: 1.2863% / 0.01286259
50.0 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%
22.8 I23273 Spain_Roman_Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
9.6 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
9.0 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
5.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
2.0 I19667 Spain_Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
1.4 I23772 Spain_Roman_Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes

Target: cass
Distance: 1.4493% / 0.01449345 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.0 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%
43.6 I23273 Spain_Roman_Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
7.0 I23772
3.4 I22103

gixajo

05-19-2026, 10:27 PM

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4948% / 0.01494836
42.2 I23764
19.0 I23772
10.0 Spain_Visigoth_Granada.AG
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG
8.4 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
7.0 I28354
4.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG

cass

05-19-2026, 10:36 PM

celticdragongod

05-19-2026, 11:48 PM

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01953137 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
0.02808383 I23772
0.02855954 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%
0.03386072 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
0.03526232 I23273
0.03576923 I22103
0.03681769 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
0.03795673 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%
0.03993275 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%
0.04352599 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
0.04373643 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
0.04726613 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%
0.05728611 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
0.05866043 Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%
0.06308397 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
0.08225675 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%
0.08860531 I23764
0.09174634 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%
0.09420280 I19667
0.09919283 I29525
0.09938828 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%
0.10333918 I28354
0.12189901 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10%
0.12732524 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_o3.AG:CL121.A G__AD_605__Cov_75.50%
0.13264771 Spain_Visigoth_Granada.AG:I3576.AG__AD_482__Cov_71 .31%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4802% / 0.01480156
49.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
20.6 I23772
10.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
10.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
5.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
2.4 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
1.8 I29525

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4848% / 0.01484837 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
21.8 I23772
12.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
7.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
7.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5015% / 0.01501491 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
21.6 I23772
11.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
10.8 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7841% / 0.01784122 | ADC: 1x RC
73.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
26.8 I23772

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.9531% / 0.01953137 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%

Fabricius

05-19-2026, 11:50 PM

Target: Fabricius_K13-G25
Distance: 3.6495% / 0.03649516
45.4 I19670
35.2 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
15.8 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA
3.6 I28354

Target: Fabricius_K15-G25
Distance: 3.7697% / 0.03769652
47.2 I19670
35.0 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
16.8 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA
0.8 I23764
0.2 I28354

Target: Fabricius_K36-G25
Distance: 3.3604% / 0.03360359
50.2 I19670
31.2 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
13.6 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA
5.0 I28354

Target: Fabricius_MyHeritage-to-g25(simulated)
Distance: 3.3187% / 0.03318730
47.6 I19670
33.0 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
14.2 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA
3.0 I28354
2.2 Italy_Imperial_oAnatoliaCaucasus.SG

Distance to: Fabricius_K36-G25
0.05432710 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%
0.05758555 I29525
0.06238565 Spain_Visigoth_Granada.AG:I3576.AG__AD_482__Cov_71 .31%
0.06375157 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%
0.06384525 I28354
0.06541678 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%
0.06606656 I19667
0.06974196 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
0.07572049 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
0.07581189 I23764
0.07688089 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%
0.07822339 Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%
0.07940527 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_o3.AG:CL121.A G__AD_605__Cov_75.50%
0.08092409 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
0.08172455 I19670
0.08205846 I22103
0.08538403 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10%
0.08622659 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R122.SG__AD_500__Cov_81.23%
0.08965882 Italy_Imperial.SG:R49.SG__AD_200__Cov_77.08%
0.09142433 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11833 .SG__AD_311__Cov_64.51%
0.09518407 I23273
0.09607958 I24680
0.09668814 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R136.SG__AD_400__Cov_88.98%
0.09824220 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11834 .SG__AD_187__Cov_67.67%
0.10077407 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%
0.10188057 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
0.10264534 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
0.10285365 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_3.AG:CL38.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_66.94%
0.10520090 Italy_Imperial.SG:R125.SG__AD_200__Cov_55.74%
0.10635228 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
0.10693185 I23772
0.10987559 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R34.SG__AD_500__Cov_73.50%
0.11138810 Italy_Imperial.SG:R1543.SG__AD_200__Cov_69.42%
0.11319968 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R134.SG__AD_400__Cov_74.97%
0.11483447 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%
0.11819572 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
0.12030122 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%
0.13196324 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%
0.13406314 Italy_Imperial.SG:R72.SG__AD_200__Cov_61.11%
0.13953644 Italy_Sicily_Marsala_Roman:I12849__AD_160__Cov_67. 46%
0.14057854 Italy_Imperial_oAnatoliaCaucasus.SG:R67.SG__AD_200 __Cov_86.02%
0.14076515 Italy_Imperial.SG:R71.SG__AD_200__Cov_62.65%

hurtuv

05-20-2026, 02:39 AM

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289577-Were-the-Suebi-slavs-Could-the-Portuguese-accent-have-been-gotten-from-the-Suebi&highlight=portuguese+accent

:icon_ask:

Suebi = Srbi = Serbs

Miguel de Cervantes = Miguel Serbantes = Serbian

Arabia = Sarabija = Serbia

Serbonidos limne = Serbian lake

Serapis = Serabis =Serbs

etc...

million of hydronimes and toponyms of Serbian presence all around the world.

Dušan

05-20-2026, 07:46 AM

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1872% / 0.02187223
58.6 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%
19.4 Italy_Imperial.SG:R71.SG__AD_200__Cov_62.65%
12.2 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%
9.8 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10%

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Distance to: ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%
0.02270380 Belarusian
0.02540274 Russian_Smolensk
0.02592155 Lithuanian_VZ

Distance to: Italy_Imperial.SG:R71.SG__AD_200__Cov_62.65%
0.03574868 Cypriot
0.03798510 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.03865865 Greek_Central_Anatolia

Distance to: Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%
0.02515608 French_Corsica
0.02624711 Italian_Lombardy
0.02722352 Spanish_Menorca

Distance to: Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10%
0.02684357 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02721281 Italian_Marche
0.02761080 Italian_Apulia

58.6% Belarusian, 19.4% Cypriot, 12.2% Corsican, 9.8% Central Italian :cool:

Beowulf

05-20-2026, 09:29 AM

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0134% / 0.01336200
17.5 I23772
15.3 Spain_Visigoth.AG
14.0 I23764
10.8 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG
9.8 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG
8.2 I24680
8.1 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG
5.6 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
5.3 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
4.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG
1.4 I23273

Kestrel

05-20-2026, 10:05 AM

Target: Kestrel_scaled
Distance: 1.4187% / 0.01418661
40.4 I23772
14.8 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG
10.8 Spain_Visigoth_Granada.AG
9.2 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG
8.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG
6.4 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG
6.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG
3.8 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG

Distance to: Kestrel_scaled
0.03155199 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%
0.03179022 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
0.03747455 Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%
0.03767658 I22103
0.03926965 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%
0.03938213 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
0.04221239 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
0.04693940 I23273
0.05205930 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%
0.05292309 I23764
0.05319813 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%
0.05505536 I23772
0.05529144 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
0.05588079 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%
0.05839040 I19667
0.05907311 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
0.05953802 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
0.05978849 I29525
0.06145929 I28354
0.07234905 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%
0.07486302 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
0.07658509 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%
0.08394068 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10%
0.08845062 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_o3.AG:CL121.A G__AD_605__Cov_75.50%
0.09112479 Spain_Visigoth_Granada.AG:I3576.AG__AD_482__Cov_71 .31%

Figaro

05-20-2026, 04:00 PM

Distance to: Figaro
0.02512723 I22103
0.03150292 I23273
0.03742261 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%
0.03908252 I23772
0.03929597 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
0.04323621 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%
0.04553504 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
0.04559513 Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%
0.04752008 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
0.04772281 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
0.04989677 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
0.05552824 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%
0.05605365 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
0.05778120 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
0.06038393 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%
0.06618664 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%
0.07251316 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%
0.08157462 I19667
0.08537735 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%
0.08669632 I23764
0.09186827 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%
0.09461169 I29525
0.09513260 I28354
0.11181227 Italy_LateAntiquity.SG:R121.SG__AD_500__Cov_52.10%
0.11774997 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_o3.AG:CL121.A G__AD_605__Cov_75.50%

Target: Figaro
Distance: 1.5834% / 0.01583389
30.8 ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA
21.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG
17.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
11.8 I19667
9.4 I23273
3.6 I24680
2.2 I19670
2.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG
1.2 Spain_Visigoth.AG
0.8 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG

ScandinavianCelt

05-20-2026, 06:49 PM

cass

05-20-2026, 08:27 PM

@cass

AI gives me this conclusion on my results:

Overall interpretation

Your ancient profile looks approximately:

predominantly Northwestern/Central European,
moderately northeastern-shifted,
strong Migration Period continental affinity,
overlapping somewhat with early Slavic genetic space,
but not strongly or specifically Slavic itself.

So if a modern calculator gives you:

a modest Slavic percentage,
Eastern European traces,
Balkan-like drift,
or “Broadly Eastern European,”

that would fit this ancient profile quite well.

The Slavic question specifically

Your profile is compatible with:

some Slavic-related ancestry,
or ancestry from regions historically adjacent to Slavs.

But the ancient signal itself is more:

Migration Period continental Germanic/Central European
than specifically Slavic.

The reason is that:

Lombards,
Visigoths,
early Slavs,
and related continental groups

shared substantial ancestry from northeastern European Iron Age populations.

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Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.3749% / 0.02374910
47.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
15.6 Spain_Visigoth.AG
13.0 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
8.6 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG
5.4 I22103
4.6 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
2.0 I23772
2.0 Italy_Imperial_oAnatoliaCaucasus.SG
1.4 I23273

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.5542% / 0.02554247 | ADC: 2x RC
51.6 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
27.0 I22103
21.4 I23273

------------------------

On an interesting note, my closest match -- CL146 Langobard-- matches me very well on the standard Yamnaya calc:

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 3.8097% / 0.03809678
53.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
35.4 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
11.2 France_Rochedane

Target: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
Distance: 5.0042% / 0.05004161
53.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
34.2 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
12.6 France_Rochedane

Try adding a few extra samples — maybe the distance will improve then. Maybe try x0.5 as well.
ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%,0.130897,0.125926,0. 084852,0.070737,0.044316,0.031515,0.013631,0.01546 1,-0.002045,-0.020593,-0.006008,-0.007343,0.017245,0.027937,-0.007872,-0.006629,-0.010431,0.006334,0.001634,0.001876,-0.009358,-0.004081,0.001232,-0.016147,0.002515

I haven’t checked the IBD of the Langobards and the Scandinavian Germanic groups in detail. As for the Wielbark culture, their profile points to a local substrate with only a limited influx of population. In general, from an IBD perspective, Wielbark and medieval Poland are distinguishable only in certain minor details when looking at the pre-cremation period. Later on, however, one has to make a major correction for the transition into the cremation period and the dominance of samples from the southwest and southeast in the IBD data.
https://ibb.co/v4dBGKFs

Dorquest

05-20-2026, 09:01 PM

Distance to: Dorquest_scaled
0.03356634 I22103
0.03477990 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%
0.03491314 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%
0.03760099 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
0.03959793 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
0.04199793 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
0.04329602 I23273
0.04453954 I23772
0.04482191 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
0.04572764 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
0.04793711 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%
0.05066585 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%
0.05184949 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
0.05240350 Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%
0.05269669 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
0.06941977 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%
0.07826876 I23764
0.08120457 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%
0.08624120 I19667
0.08729527 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%

Target: Dorquest_scaled

Distance: 2.1011% / 0.02101140
38.6 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG
37.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG
11.6 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG
6.6 I23764
4.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG
1.2 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG
1.0 I19670

Gannicus

05-21-2026, 02:12 AM

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.03310835 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG:R31.SG__A D_412__Cov_90.31%
0.03312217 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG:R106.SG__ AD_500__Cov_71.53%
0.03633137 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG:CL83.AG__AD_605__Cov_62.26%
0.03668848 I23273
0.03867122 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL146.AG __AD_605__Cov_73.81%
0.04122461 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG:CL93.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.11%
0.04173999 I22103
0.04237548 I23772
0.04260541 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_son.CL93.AG :CL92.AG__AD_605__Cov_66.39%
0.04402785 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL63.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_74.47%
0.05044025 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL47.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_69.01%
0.05304757 Spain_Visigoth.AG:I12031.AG__AD_558__Cov_49.22%
0.05575431 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG:CL151.AG__AD_605__Cov_64.70%
0.05801892 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL1 46_son.CL151.AG:CL145.AG__AD_605__Cov_72.84%
0.05855876 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG:CL57.AG_ _AD_605__Cov_68.84%
0.07111173 Italy_LateAntiquity_oCentralEuropean.SG:R105.SG__A D_500__Cov_75.30%
0.07152599 I23764
0.07349061 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10502.SG__AD_425__C ov_72.37%
0.08260396 I19667
0.08410644 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG:R11121.SG__AD_200__ Cov_60.99%

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0175% / 0.01748879
30.3 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
28.5 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
13.5 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
12.6 I29525
4.1 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_mother.CL14 5_mother.CL146.AG
4.0 I23764
3.8 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG
3.2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0176% / 0.01757855 | R5P
33.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
30.7 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
18.2 I29525
12.1 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
5.8 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1_brother.CL8 4_son.CL87.AG

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0177% / 0.01765537 | R4P
38.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
30.8 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
19.3 I29525
11.7 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0180% / 0.01800514 | R3P
44.7 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
32.6 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
22.7 I29525

ScandinavianCelt

05-21-2026, 01:22 PM

Try adding a few extra samples — maybe the distance will improve then. Maybe try x0.5 as well.
ProtoSlavic?Denmark_Jutland_PreRoman_IA:CGG106486_ CGG106491__BC_202__Cov_67.50%,0.130897,0.125926,0. 084852,0.070737,0.044316,0.031515,0.013631,0.01546 1,-0.002045,-0.020593,-0.006008,-0.007343,0.017245,0.027937,-0.007872,-0.006629,-0.010431,0.006334,0.001634,0.001876,-0.009358,-0.004081,0.001232,-0.016147,0.002515

I haven’t checked the IBD of the Langobards and the Scandinavian Germanic groups in detail. As for the Wielbark culture, their profile points to a local substrate with only a limited influx of population. In general, from an IBD perspective, Wielbark and medieval Poland are distinguishable only in certain minor details when looking at the pre-cremation period. Later on, however, one has to make a major correction for the transition into the cremation period and the dominance of samples from the southwest and southeast in the IBD data.
https://ibb.co/v4dBGKFs

At no added distance I get 9.6% of this sample you included

JerryS.

05-21-2026, 01:56 PM

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.5336% / 0.01533649 | R4P
66.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
16.4 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
8.8 Italy_Imperial.SG
8.6 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.5119% / 0.01511911 | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
16.0 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
7.4 Spain_Visigoth.AG
6.8 Italy_Imperial.SG
4.6 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG
4.4 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG
1.6 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 1.5089% / 0.01508851
60.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1.AG
15.0 Italy_LateAntiquity_o3CentralEuropean.SG
7.8 Spain_Visigoth.AG
6.0 Italy_Imperial.SG
5.4 Italy_RomanImperial_oEurope.SG
4.4 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2.AG
0.8 Italy_LateAntiquity_o2CentralEuropean.SG
0.4 I19670