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poiuytrewq0987
01-31-2012, 09:45 PM
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Turkey has hailed a motion by French legislators to halt a bill criminalizing denials of Armenian genocide claims after they produced the 60 signatures required to stop the draft from becoming law.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan extended “wholehearted thanks” to the French senators who appealed the law and voiced hope France’s Constitutional Council would quash the legislation.

“I have no doubt the Constitutional Council will eventually make an appropriate decision,” President Abdullah Gül said, adding that he was “not expecting the French from the very beginning to let their country be overshadowed” by the resolution.

Ankara had reacted furiously last week when the French Senate approved the law that penalizes anyone in France who denies the 1915 killings of Armenians amounted to genocide with jail time and a fine.

On Jan. 24 President Nicolas Sarkozy’s office brushed off angry threats of retaliation by Turkey and vowed to sign the bill into law within a fortnight.

But a left-wing group of senators said yesterday that they had gathered 76 signatures from colleagues opposed to the law. A group from the Lower House of Parliament had also gathered 65 signatures yesterday and had formally requested that the Constitutional Council examine the law.

The move raises the possibility that the law will be dismissed as unconstitutional. The appeal was spearheaded by Jacques Mezard at the Senate and Michel Diefenbacher, the head of the Turkish-French Parliamentary Friendship Group. The groups said they each had gathered more than the minimum 60 signatures required to ask the council to test the law’s constitutionality. If the court finds the law unconstitutional, the legislation will be rejected.

“This is an atomic bomb for the Elysee [Sarkozy’s office], which didn’t see it coming,” said deputy Lionel Tardy, who said most of the 65 signatories from the Lower House were, like him, from Sarkozy’s Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) party. The council is obliged to deliver its judgment within a month, but the period could be reduced to eight days if the government deems the matter urgent.
Turkey welcomes move

Turkish officials were universal in welcoming the development. “The fact that the application was made with over 60 signatures from both houses [of the French Parliament] is a significant development. I extend my wholehearted thanks to those French parliamentarians on behalf of myself and my nation. They did what they were supposed to do. I hope that the Constitutional Council will rectify this unjust process and bring it in line with the values of France,” Erdoğan said.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu also hailed the French senators’ move, saying that with this step France embraced its own values.

Turkish EU Minister Egemen Bağış, meanwhile, said yesterday that “freedom of expression is one of the most important features in the EU acquis.” Bağış also noted European Commissioner for Enlargement Stefan Füle’s remarks about the French resolution in which Füle said illuminating history was the business of historians, not politicians.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-hails-as-genocide-bill-in-france-put-on-hold.aspx?pageID=238&nID=12729&NewsCatID=338

Loki
01-31-2012, 10:28 PM
Humiliating for the French.

Queen B
01-31-2012, 10:34 PM
Hypocritical and humiliating at the same time.
I don't see why there should be Holocaust laws and no Armenian-genocide laws.
Especially when France already holds such a law against Holocaust denial.

Loki
01-31-2012, 10:37 PM
Hypocritical and humiliating at the same time.
I don't see why there should be Holocaust laws and no Armenian-genocide laws.
Especially when France already holds such a law against Holocaust denial.

Precisely. Why don't they repeal Jewish Holocaust laws then as well? (assuming they have them like Germany)

Benacer
01-31-2012, 10:45 PM
Regardless of my stance on the Armo genocide issue, the whole "it's forbidden to question history" imbecility is getting on my nerves. It is just ridiculous, as history itself is developed by questioning the established ideas. This is almost like the Inquisition forbidding any ideas that deviated from the mainstream established ones. If the holocaust or the Armenian genocide did happen, let them be researched, because the truth shall prevail in the end. There is no need to forbid historical revisionism unless one fears the truth about the past.

European Loyalist
01-31-2012, 10:47 PM
Precisely. Why don't they repeal Jewish Holocaust laws then as well? (assuming they have them like Germany)

The holocaust is directly related to France seeing as how Vichy Fr. was a Nazi collaborator and many French Jews we're killed.

The Armenian genocide has nothing to do with France, or French people. Is the French parliament supposed to pass laws on every crime against humanity throughout human history? Obviously not. It's pretty clear the only reason they did it for the Armenian genocide in the first place was to embarrass Turkey.

poiuytrewq0987
01-31-2012, 10:47 PM
Precisely. Why don't they repeal Jewish Holocaust laws then as well? (assuming they have them like Germany)

Are you comparing the fake Armenian holocaust with the very real Jewish holocaust? Armenians had huge influence in high places in the Ottoman government. They were very much first-class citizens just behind to Ottoman Turks for centuries Until... they decided to pursue an independent Armenia and joined up forces with Russia to realize this. This, of course, was seen as a hostile move by the Ottomans and they had NO choice but to ensure the complete and total defeat of them because all of them actively collaborated against the Ottomans. What other choice did the Ottomans have? Gift them with flowers and thank them for their war on us? The Jewish holocaust cannot be even compared with the war Armenians started. The Jews were specifically targeted by Hitler and German collaborators. German collaborators rounded them up and brought them to camps for extermination or to die by poor conditions and plague. This didn't happen to Armenians. Armenians were treated like opponents -- not targets to be exterminated.

Queen B
01-31-2012, 10:49 PM
Precisely. Why don't they repeal Jewish Holocaust laws then as well? (assuming they have them like Germany)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

''In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism''

...those who have disputed the existence of one or more crimes against humanity [blablablabl ] shall be punished by one month to one years imprisonment or a fine.....

and....
publication or publicly expressed opinion encouraging those to whom it is addressed to pass a favourable moral judgment on one or more crimes against humanity and tending to justify these crimes (including collaboration) or vindicate their perpetrators shall be punished by one to five years imprisonment or a fine.



The more I read about it, the more I find it disgusting.
What makes more disgust is the thought there is a possibility that Jews are objecting to this. Its not the first time that they want to monopolize their ''pain''.

Queen B
01-31-2012, 10:52 PM
Regardless of my stance on the Armo genocide issue, the whole "it's forbidden to question history" imbecility is getting on my nerves. It is just ridiculous, as history itself is developed by questioning the established ideas. This is almost like the Inquisition forbidding any ideas that deviated from the mainstream established ones. If the holocaust or the Armenian genocide did happen, let them be researched, because the truth shall prevail in the end. There is no need to forbid historical revisionism unless one fears the truth about the past.

I agree on that. To me, no such laws should exist in a first place.
But since they are laws for questioning holocaust, I don't see why NOT having laws to question Armenian genocide as well

The Lawspeaker
01-31-2012, 10:55 PM
A la France:

http://subspecies.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/surrender-monkey.jpg

This time the cowards surrendered even during the Battle of France. Back then they fought to the last British, Belgian and Dutch life.

Nairi
01-31-2012, 11:53 PM
Constitutional Court will say that the bill IS Constitutional, because there is already such law on the Holocaust.
Turkey is being punished for turning to East and Islam.