Genetic makeup of Western Balkans

[poiuytrewq0987]

http://www.bosniafacts.info/maps/genetic_makeup_of_the_balkans_map.png

[Sikeliot]

Phoenicians didn't even go to any of those countries so I do not see how that could be correct. What criteria is this based on?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Phoenicians didn't even go to any of those countries so I do not see how that could be correct. What criteria is this based on?

Phoenicians = J2.

[Queen B]

Phoenicians didn't even go to any of those countries so I do not see how that could be correct. What criteria is this based on?

Fyromian criteria :lol:

[Rron]

That means Albanians are 15-30% Slavic? Welcome to the club, mate. :D
Dont quote out of context mate

[poiuytrewq0987]

Dont quote out of context mate

Dude, you said I2 is from Eastern Europe from Slavic migrants. How am I quoting you out of context?

[safinator]

I2a is present in Southern Albos at around 25%

[Redar14]

Total bullshit. Slavs, Teutons, Illyrians etc are names of language groups not genetic.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Total bullshit. Slavs, Teutons, Illyrians etc are names of language groups not genetic.

Croats, Bosnians speak a Illyrian language today? :D

[Redar14]

R1a, the "Slavic marker" barely registers in Bosnia

R1a marker is characteristic for most Satem IE speakers and even a lot of Scandivavian and Finno-Ugrian males have this haplogroup.

[poiuytrewq0987]

R1a marker is characteristic for most Satem IE speakers and even a lot of Scandivavian and Finno-Ugrian males have this haplogroup.

You mean... we are not so different after all? :cry2

[Mortimer]

What is E3b/EV13 counted as Illyrian or Hellenic?

[poiuytrewq0987]

What is E3b/EV13 counted as Illyrian or Hellenic?

Good question. :D But I don't think it's possible to identify a certain haplogroup's ethnicity since ethnicity by nature is an artificial creation. :P

[Flintlocke]

I'd say that maps pretty much is accurate.

[Kanuni]

What is E3b/EV13 counted as Illyrian or Hellenic?

What Dusan said is true count it as just Paleo-Balkan .

[dralos]

i've seen this map before and if i'm not mistaking there are created by igenea and igenea has told everyone that they didn't do any study in kosova,so it's wrong to put kosovalbs together with albania seems the result about them are not known,but people expect that illyrian is like 70% in kosovalb

[iNird]

http://www.bosniafacts.info/maps/genetic_makeup_of_the_balkans_map.png

Cool pic

[Guapo]

albanians being 16% Phoenician sounds about right, their language sounds Levantine/Semitic too. Definitely not fully Indo-European.

[Sisak]

albanians being 16% Phoenician sounds about right, their language sounds Levantine/Semitic too. Definitely not fully Indo-European.

But they have hight score of I haplogroup 25%.

[Guapo]

But they have hight score of I haplogroup 25%.

So? language is/was taught by mothers, not fathers. Their language sounds more Semitic.

materni jezik, bona.

[safinator]

Why's this thread in serb section?

P.S: Igenea maps are crap

[Sisak]

What is E3b/EV13 counted as Illyrian or Hellenic?

E haplogroup is older then Hellenic people.

[Sisak]

So? language is/was taught by mothers, not fathers. Their language sounds more Semitic.

materni jezik, bona.

I think the same.

[Sisak]

The Hellenic World' is a term which refers to that period of ancient Greek history between 507 BCE (the date of the first democracy in Athens) and 323 BCE (the death of Alexander the Great). This period is also referred to as the age of Classical Greece and should not be confused with The Hellenistic World which designates the period between the death of Alexander and Rome's conquest of Greece (323 - 146 - 31 BCE). The Hellenic World of ancient Greece consisted of the Greek mainland, Crete, the islands of the Greek archipelago, and the coast of Asia Minor primarily (though mention is made of cities within the interior of Asia Minor and, of course, the colonies in southern Italy). This is the time of the great Golden Age of Greece and, in the popular imagination, resonates as 'ancient Greece'.

Haplogroup E appear 9000 ago.


Pred 8.000 godina - neolitske haplogrupe E/Eu4, J/Eu9, Eu10 i Eu11;

[Guapo]

I think the same.

You're beautiful

[Ibericus]

Indeed

http://www.riadreviews.com/assets/images/misc/resources/phoeniciancolontradeposts.jpg

:lol: Phoenicians never settled in Albania or mainland Greece.
Yeah that map is crap, they never settled in the interior of Spain, only in some coastal cities.

[Guapo]

Seeing duskfall and safinator giving each other thanks is like watching gay porn.

[rashka]

What is Antic Macedonian and Hellenic phenotype supposed to be? What is the difference between Teuton and Vikings?
Here I was expecting some brand new data but what do I see? Same old data, just presented in a made-up geographical map.

[Ibericus]

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/geoghist/histories/oldcivilization/phoenicia/colonies/colonies.gif Better? :D
Nope. That's too big.

[rashka]

I guess Phoenician is there because they represent some type of phenotype- probably J2? Doesn't mean the actual Phoenicians brought it over....

[Prince Carlo]

Both J2 and J1 haplotypes peak in Northern Caucasus, so people should stop labelling them as "Phoenician".

[Linet]

First of all is wrong because for one city is incuding whole areas :picard1:
In Sicily they had only 1 main city at the west corner of the island :desert:....but here i see the whole island included? :eusa_eh:
..The same goes for all the other places this map includes :chin:

[Sisak]

What is Antic Macedonian and Hellenic phenotype supposed to be? What is the difference between Teuton and Vikings?
Here I was expecting some brand new data but what do I see? Same old data, just presented in a made-up geographical map.

Teutoni su mislim neka vrsta Slavena iz Poljske ili centralne Europe. Poznati su što su njihove žene iskazale veliku hrabrost kad su izvršile masovna samoubojstva kako ih nebi odveli u roblje.

[Scholarios]

what are Antic Macedonians? No Illyrian influence in Macedonia? hmm?

[kvarc]

Teutoni su mislim neka vrsta Slavena iz Poljske ili centralne Europe. Poznati su što su njihove žene iskazale veliku hrabrost kad su izvršile masovna samoubojstva kako ih nebi odveli u roblje.

Teutonci su ti Nemci

[Guapo]

Teutonci su ti Nemci

Jok bre, Tuta bugari.

[safinator]

Igenea is shitty if it is about their honesty and historical knowledge.

Their business model includes to adapt haplogroups terms to what might be most interesting locally.

In Germany they argued with Germanics, Vikings, Slavs and Jews etc., making up sensational comments like "10 percent of the Germans have Jewish ancestry" or that even about that number is Jewish in the German genome or Phoenician and other crap they didn't prove in any way, as nobody can prove that strictly with their methods by now, they surely can't.

So I wouldn't care too much about the terms they used with a lot of fantasy, speculation and manipulation.

To repeat it, the company igenea is already known for such rather dubious claims and "tests".