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Beorn
05-04-2009, 01:06 AM
Revealed: the face of the first European


http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00169/european-head_169813t.jpg


This is the face of the first anatomically-modern human to live in Europe. It belonged to a man – or woman – who inhabited the ancient forests of the Carpathian Mountains in what is now Romania about 35,000 years ago.
The artist's reconstruction – a face that could be male or female – is based on the partial skull and jawbone found in a cave where bears were known to hibernate. The facial features indicate the close affinity of these early Europeans to their immediate African ancestors, although it was still not possible to determine the person's sex.
Richard Neave, the forensic artist who reconstructed the facial features in this clay model, based his assessment on a careful measurement of the bone fragments and his long experience of how the soft tissues of the face are built around the bones of the skull.
The reconstruction was made for the forthcoming BBC 2 series The Incredible Human Journey which documents human origins and evolution, from our birthplace in Africa to the long migratory routes that led us to populate the most distant parts of the globe. It is impossible from the bones to determine the skin colour of the individual, although scientists speculate it was probably darker than modern-day Europeans, reflecting a more recent African origin.

Mr Neave's clay head of the "first modern European" now sits on the desk of Alice Roberts, the Bristol University anthropologist who will introduce the BBC series, which is scheduled for screening next Sunday evening on BBC 2. "It's really quite bizarre. I'm a scientist and objective, but I look at that face and think 'Gosh, I'm actually looking at the face of somebody from 40,000 years ago', and there's something weirdly moving about that," Dr Roberts told the Radio Times.

"Richard creates skulls of much more recent humans and he's used to looking at differences between populations. He said the skull doesn't actually look European, or Asian, or African. It looks like a mixture of all of them. And you think, well, that's probably what you'd expect of someone who was among the earliest populations to come to Europe."
Potholers discovered the lower jawbone of the first modern European in 2002 in Pestera cu Oase, the "cave with bones", located in the south-western Carpathians. The remaining fragments of skull were unearthed in 2003.

Scientists have dated the bones using radiocarbon analysis to between 34,000 and 36,000 years ago when Europe was occupied by both Neanderthal man, who had lived in the region for tens of thousands of years, and anatomically-modern humans – Homo sapiens – who had recently arrived on a migratory route from Africa via the Middle East.
Although the skull shares many modern feature of human anatomy, it also displays more archaic traits, such as very large molar teeth, which led some scientists to speculate the skull may belong to a hybrid between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals – an idea discounted by other experts.
Erik Trinkaus, professor of anthropology at Washington University in Missouri, and one of the first specialists to study the bones in detail, said the jaw was the oldest, directly-dated modern human fossil. "Taken together, the material is the first that securely documents what modern humans looked like when they spread into Europe," he said.

Neanderthal man

*Lived in Europe for 300,000 years, surviving a number of ice ages before dying out 25,000 years ago. No one is sure why. Original fossil remains were found in 1856 in the Neander valley, near Dusseldorf, Germany. Socially advanced but left no signs of art, decoration or jewellery. But archaeologists have discovered a flute and have tested their toolmaking skills, suggesting a higher level of sophistication than first thought.

Homo sapiens

*Arrived in Europe some 35,000 years ago, competing with Neanderthal man for 10,000 years. DNA studies suggest the two species did not interbreed. First remains of Homo sapiens – modern humans – found in 1868 in a cave in the Dordogne, France, and known as Cro-Magnon man. Left cave paintings at Chauvet, Lascaux and Altamira, suggesting a sudden development of art. Source (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-the-face--of-the-first-european-1678537.html)

Barreldriver
05-04-2009, 01:21 AM
Well, at this point I'm wondering if there's any Neanderthal influence in modern humans. I say I look more like a Neanderthal than I look like a nergo loool. :D

Vargtand
05-04-2009, 01:28 AM
it does look a bit slavic does it not? :P

Tabiti
05-04-2009, 06:36 AM
Face the facts, guys, we are all depigmented blacks :D


It belonged to a man – or woman – who inhabited the ancient forests of the Carpathian Mountains in what is now Romania about 35,000 years ago.
Hahaha, so they even don't know its sex, but are going to "uncover" the race first. Sounds really scientifical, imo :D

Psychonaut
05-04-2009, 07:57 AM
Thank the Gods we've evolved! That's one ugly fella!

Lulletje Rozewater
05-04-2009, 08:58 AM
Face the facts, guys, we are all depigmented blacks :D


We could be a throw back from their Albinos or he/she could be an arrested development of the Zuma.:eek::eek:

HawkR
05-04-2009, 09:32 AM
Haha:) Funny looking guy:p


But on a serious note, we cannot have evolved from negros as the black gene is stronger than the white, my guess is that, considering we've been evolved from monkeys, there where monkeys all over the world before, and they evolved to humans, blacks in africa, white generally everywhere else. See, no problem:)

Vargtand
05-04-2009, 10:03 AM
Haha:) Funny looking guy:p


But on a serious note, we cannot have evolved from negros as the black gene is stronger than the white, my guess is that, considering we've been evolved from monkeys, there where monkeys all over the world before, and they evolved to humans, blacks in africa, white generally everywhere else. See, no problem:)

You do know how evolution works don't you?

HawkR
05-04-2009, 12:12 PM
Yeah, god said "Hooah!" and the man was created:p Yeah, but if you have another theory, plase share?

Vargtand
05-04-2009, 12:15 PM
Yeah, god said "Hooah!" and the man was created:p Yeah, but if you have another theory, plase share?

Now I am only a lay-man, but it is fully possible to lose your pigment... hell look at black albinos (well white Africans) you can see that it all comes down to mutations.

HawkR
05-04-2009, 12:20 PM
Yeah, you got a point. But it must be easier for a white dude to travel to Negroland(:P) and get so much sun that after some generations, his offspring well be black.

Inese
05-04-2009, 12:42 PM
The face is ugly and political correct i dont trust the scientists!! It looks like a black person because they want to make us belief that we are coming from black people :rolleyes: ----- They say the skin was dark and the eyes too but they say also they dont know it. Do they think we are stupid or what?? :mad:

All i know is that monkeys have white skin below their fur and not black skin!!

http://fotoblog.metaideen.de/images/20080518200714_serengeti-park-schimpanse.jpg

Here schimpanse ----- under the fur white skin.

If you ask me what i guess i tell you that the first human forms had white skin after the fur evolved away and that some with the white skin went away from Africa!! The other who stayed in Africa got black skin over time --- sun and heat responsible for that.

Vargtand
05-04-2009, 12:45 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/DocDoom777/Critters/ChimpMomSon.jpg?t=1241441048

Look at the adult chimp.. that skin is quite dark..

Inese
05-04-2009, 12:45 PM
Race mixing ape maybe??? :D lol ^_^ No i think the fur is so thick you can not see the skin of the old monkey.
If i look for monkey photos of schimpanses our nearest relatives most of them have a white skin in face and below the fur.

Tabiti
05-04-2009, 01:00 PM
I think gorillas are black under their fur.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/11/1gorilla_narrowweb__300x421,0.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/12/22/gorilla2212_narrowweb__300x363,0.jpg

Beorn
05-04-2009, 01:02 PM
No i think the fur is so thick you can not see the skin of the old monkey.


What colour is the chimps fingers?


This all reminds me of the historian/broadcaster and writer, Bettany Hughes, who in a programme, Seven Ages of Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Ages_of_Britain&action=edit&redlink=1), was eager to convey that we knew so much about the ancient Britons culture and ways of life, their religions and customs but still confounded as to what colour skin they were.

I was amazed to be honest. I was amazed that any serious historian broadcasting upon the BBC would openly utter such pseudo babble in an attempt to be in-line with the BBC's politically correct agenda.

I'm not a great scholar on the history of man and evolution, but even I know that by the time that modern man had evolved and ventured into Europe, that his features had adapted and transformed into the features we all recognise and acknowledge today.

Tabiti
05-04-2009, 01:05 PM
Blacks also have lighter parts of their bodies - palms, lips and feet.
Is that proof they are our forefathers?

Vargtand
05-04-2009, 01:05 PM
Race mixing ape maybe??? :D lol ^_^ No i think the fur is so thick you can not see the skin of the old monkey.
If i look for monkey photos of schimpanses our nearest relatives most of them have a white skin in face and below the fur.

Most of those pictures are of young chimps, young chimps are fair skinned it seems while the older they become the darker they get.

Thorum
05-04-2009, 01:10 PM
The story is a complete fabrication. The sculpture is of the one and only Larry Wilmore from the Daily Show!!

http://www.dogpile.com/clickserver/_iceUrlFlag=1?rawURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comedycentra l.com%2Fimages%2Fshows%2Ftds%2Fvideos%2Fwilmore%2F 12005_wilmore_m4.jpg&0=&1=0&4=67.63.50.255&5=71.176.145.32&9=57a696db676b424fa6ba88cb6cccc901&10=1&11=info.dogpl&13=search&14=372380&15=main-title&17=7&18=4&19=0&20=0&21=7&22=7nXkcseIVIw%3D&23=0&40=yNdOdLJlYVE3eLVAjf6SQA%3D%3D&_IceUrl=true
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00169/european-head_169813t.jpg (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-the-face--of-the-first-european-1678537.html?action=Popup)

It's a Jewish / Black conspiracy!!!

[Sorry, I know that was worthless....]

Loki
05-04-2009, 01:13 PM
Blacks also have lighter parts of their bodies - palms, lips and feet.
Is that proof they are our forefathers?

Blacks are obviously not our forefathers, but we descend from the same ancestors as them, if you go back far enough. I bet these ancestors weren't blonde, blue-eyed. :D Depigmentation must have occurred at a later stage, when these people moved northwards to colder climates. Yet I also seriously doubt our ancestors were black. The modern black negroid comes from a compact area in West Africa, from where they gradually spread throughout sub-Saharan Africa. But this is more recent history. if you go back 8,000 years, negroes were confined to the West African coast and surrounding areas. In the rest of sub-Saharan Africa the San people lived (Bushmen), as well as the pygmies in the forests.

If any Africans mostly resemble the common ancestor of all modern humans, it is probably the Bushmen:

World's most ancient race traced in DNA study (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/worlds-most-ancient-race-traced-in-dna-study-1677113.html)

Inese
05-04-2009, 01:52 PM
I think gorillas are black under their fur.
Yes but gorillas are a other race. Schimpanses are more fine boned and gorillas more hard and brutal. Maybe the today black people come from Gorillas and we from Schimpanses!!! lol :D...:cool: No fun, i know! But i dont trust it that first humans had dark skin only because they come from Africa!! The climate there was in the past not as today you know?? Where now is desert there were trees and graslands tousand years ago. And what about neandertal??? Hundred tousand years older as the first humans and scienists say they had a white skin.

Manifest Destiny
05-04-2009, 02:16 PM
He looks Latvian. Or maybe Russian. ;)

Inese
05-04-2009, 02:27 PM
He looks Russian. ;)
I have corected your posting!! :D ^_^

Skandi
05-04-2009, 02:53 PM
I suspect that skin colour is immaterial here, white horses have black skins, black horses have white skin, same species different pigmentation.

Lulletje Rozewater
05-04-2009, 03:01 PM
Now I am only a lay-man, but it is fully possible to lose your pigment... hell look at black albinos (well white Africans) you can see that it all comes down to mutations.


Good--partly that is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/science/09conv.html?_r=1

zalmoxis
10-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Thank the Gods we've evolved! That's one ugly fella!

Yes thanks the gods

antonio
10-22-2010, 02:50 PM
Maybe it just a case of bad paleontological luck. I bet there were nicer ones at that time. BTW it's a very common mulato Brazilian type, I guess.