Guess Ethnicities of women on old photos (1881)

[Arsen_]

Guess Ethnicities of women on old photos (1881)

Hint: there are Abazin, Abkhaz, Armenian, Avar, Georgian, Greek, Ingush, Jewish, Lak, Nogai, Megrel and Chechen women. (Some of them on more than one photo).

1.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-18.jpg

2.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-30.jpg

3.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-51.jpg

4.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-52.jpg

5.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-69.jpg

6.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-92.jpg

7.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-114.jpg

8.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/135-21.jpg

9.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/135-30.jpg

10.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/136-17.jpg

11.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/136-21.jpg

12.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-23.jpg

13.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-68.jpg

14.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-82.jpg

15.

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-8.jpg

[Arsen_]

Any ideas???

[eviline]

what is this? megrel and georgian is different? :OOOOOO i always know armenians are georgians enemy

[GeistFaust]

1st: Looks like some sort of Mtebid, my guess would be she is from the Caucasus region or Armenia.
2nd: Armenoid with a East-Mediterranid influence, and my guess would be she is Jewish/Levantine, Armenian, or Turkish.
3rd: The one to the left looks Turanid like, while the one to the right more Aralid, but leaning more to Tungid, and I would guess them as some sort of Central Asian.
4th: Pontid with a Turanid influence, and I would place in the Caucasus region as a Georgian or Chechen.
5th: Tough to say but perhaps some sort of Mtebid type, with the one on the far left having some sort of Turanid influence, and I would place them in Armenia or the Caucasian region generally speaking.
6th: Pontid East-Mediterranid with a strong Alpinoid influence, and I would place her in Armenia, Turkey/Levantine, or even the Caucasus region.
7th: Armenoid type predominantly, a more Dinarid looking one, and I would place her in Armenia, parts of Southeastern Europe, and maybe the Caucasus region.
8th: Nord-Iranid type predominantly, and I would place her in the Caucasus region overall.
9th: Its difficult to judge her because of the angle the picture, but she looks like some sort East-Mediterranid/Iranid type with an Armenoid/Mtebid like influence, and I would place her in the Caucasus region.
10th: Turanid predominantly with a Pontid influence, and I would place her in the Caucasus region.
11th: Dinarid Mediterranid/Dinaro-Alpinoid, and I guess this is the one which is Greek.
12th: Iranid with a Mtebid influence, and I would place her the Northern parts of Iran or the Caucasus region.
13th: Alpinoid/Armenoid, and I would place her in Armenia specifically.
14th: Pontid/Ponto-Armenoid with a strong Gracilized East-Mediterranid/Iranid influence, and I would place her anywhere from Armenia into the Caucausus region.
15th: Tough to say from that angle, but my guess would be Mtebid, and I would place her in the Caucausus region, but specifically in Georgia or Chechyna.

[eviline]

really expert you are wright about georgia when you wrote georgia or chechnya you are wright they are georgians i have seen and i know you have seen this photos? its difficult to say nationality with such pictures

[Queen B]

Νο 10 could be the Greek one

[GeistFaust]

Νο 10 could be the Greek one



I thought Number 11 could be Greek possibly, all the rest looked too Eastward, especially number 10 with her Turanid look.

[Queen B]

I thought Number 11 could be Greek possibly, all the rest looked too Eastward, especially number 10 with her Turanid look.

Ι mostly looked their clothing :lol:

However, 11's face is quite exotic. The face of 14, 15 and 1 is more possible.

[Arsen_]

Well, shall I put answers already or wait a little more for your classifications and guesses?

[GeistFaust]

I don't think many people will have the time or desire to put the effort into such a list of individuals to classify and guess.

[Arsen_]

I don't think many people will have the time or desire to put the effort into such a list of individuals to classify and guess.

OK, you seem to be right. Here are the correct answers:


1. Armenian

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-18.jpg

2. Greek

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-30.jpg

3. Nogai

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-51.jpg

4. Georgian

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-52.jpg

5. Georgian

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-69.jpg

6. Abkhaz

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-92.jpg

7. Jewish

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/121-114.jpg

8. Avar

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/135-21.jpg

9. Lak

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/135-30.jpg

10. Ossetian

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/136-17.jpg

11. Ingush

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/136-21.jpg

12. Chechen

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-23.jpg

13. Abazin

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-68.jpg

14. Armenian

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-82.jpg

15. Megrel

http://web1.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/kavkaz/images/1403-8.jpg

[eviline]

megrel? its georgian idiot megrel is georgian and armenia is not in caucasus

[Arsen_]

megrel? its georgian idiot megrel is georgian and armenia is not in caucasus

From your sentence, Eviline, I could not understand what exactly you mean:

"its georgian idiot?" or "idiot megrel is georgian"? :D

By the way Megrels have a nice joke: We, Megrels, are the most short-living people on Earth. Until 16 we are Megrels, after 16 we are Georgians. :D

So here it is the same ugly Georgian policy implementing forced assimilation of (this time!) Megrels (Mengrelians).

Just one document of Megrels themselves:

"An appeal of the association center of education “KOLKHIDA” to the world community.

We report to you that in the Georgian state the Mengrelian region is represented by the status of an administrative and territorial unit.The mengrelian region is populated by the people whose colloquial regional language is Mengrelian.
The interests of te people talking in the regional Mengrelian language are ignored in the Georgian state, wich is manifested by the fact that the Mengrelian language hasn’t the status of a language. Respectively, there is no legislative basis for retaining, developing and applying this language in social life.
The Georgian constitution and legislation doesn’t recognize the Mengrelian language and it’s banished from social life.
For instance, the public idea of translating the Bible into Mengrelian, caused an open aggression of the official clergy. It was outraged by the mere idea of translating the Bible into Mengrelian. The people in Mengrelia, on the contrary, were surprised, why the Bible can’t be translated into Mengrelian when it’s translated into different languages of the world. There were political talkshows held on the “Imedi”, one of the influential political radios, in which not only the efforts of the Bible translation, but even the recognition of the Mengrelian as a language was denounced – to hamper spredding over the Mengrelian language such vital rights of the European charter about regional and minority languages as education, culture, means of information, etc.
Without stimulating the use of a regional language in social life, it’s impossible to retain and develop it.
The region Mengrelia has its historical legacy, it represents the Kolkhida Kingdom(XII c.b. c.) – that is the political and historical legacy of the ancient Golden Fleece culture, it has its geographical bounds, one of the most ancient and richest with its lexical stock (more then 9 bl) – the coloquial Mengrelian language.
The independent political status of Mengrelia was revoked by violence in 1867 as a result of the occupation by the Russian Empire.
Despite numerous appeals to the local and federal authorities, the above mentioned problems are ignored by them. Contrary we are subjected to obliqe threats.
This state of things has caused us to appeal to the world community.
We are asking to you to come interested in Mengrelian ethnic tragedy and to help us retain and develop the Mengrelian language."

[eviline]

armenians are enemy of georgia you are not south caucasus your prople looks like jews

[Padre Organtino]

From your sentence, Eviline, I could not understand what exactly you mean:

"its georgian idiot?" or "idiot megrel is georgian"? :D

By the way Megrels have a nice joke: We, Megrels, are the most short-living people on Earth. Until 16 we are Megrels, after 16 we are Georgians. :D

So here it is the same ugly Georgian policy implementing forced assimilation of (this time!) Megrels (Mengrelians).

Just one document of Megrels themselves:

"An appeal of the association center of education “KOLKHIDA” to the world community.

We report to you that in the Georgian state the Mengrelian region is represented by the status of an administrative and territorial unit.The mengrelian region is populated by the people whose colloquial regional language is Mengrelian.
The interests of te people talking in the regional Mengrelian language are ignored in the Georgian state, wich is manifested by the fact that the Mengrelian language hasn’t the status of a language. Respectively, there is no legislative basis for retaining, developing and applying this language in social life.
The Georgian constitution and legislation doesn’t recognize the Mengrelian language and it’s banished from social life.
For instance, the public idea of translating the Bible into Mengrelian, caused an open aggression of the official clergy. It was outraged by the mere idea of translating the Bible into Mengrelian. The people in Mengrelia, on the contrary, were surprised, why the Bible can’t be translated into Mengrelian when it’s translated into different languages of the world. There were political talkshows held on the “Imedi”, one of the influential political radios, in which not only the efforts of the Bible translation, but even the recognition of the Mengrelian as a language was denounced – to hamper spredding over the Mengrelian language such vital rights of the European charter about regional and minority languages as education, culture, means of information, etc.
Without stimulating the use of a regional language in social life, it’s impossible to retain and develop it.
The region Mengrelia has its historical legacy, it represents the Kolkhida Kingdom(XII c.b. c.) – that is the political and historical legacy of the ancient Golden Fleece culture, it has its geographical bounds, one of the most ancient and richest with its lexical stock (more then 9 bl) – the coloquial Mengrelian language.
The independent political status of Mengrelia was revoked by violence in 1867 as a result of the occupation by the Russian Empire.
Despite numerous appeals to the local and federal authorities, the above mentioned problems are ignored by them. Contrary we are subjected to obliqe threats.
This state of things has caused us to appeal to the world community.
We are asking to you to come interested in Mengrelian ethnic tragedy and to help us retain and develop the Mengrelian language."

Absolute majority of Mingrelians consider themselves Georgian. And can you provide normal link to the stuff you've posted?