Classify Alexander the Great

[Creeping Death]

EDIT: Discussion from this thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8160) merged here


:no::loco: Where did you get that information from?
Aelian, Varia Historia, 12.14 Alexander's hair was "xantheizein". "Ξάνθη" in ancient Greek meant golden haired. And from Plutarch, Alexander 4.1-7 he was pale skinned and ruddy. Those books are for intelligent people, nothing to worry you as you probably have not heard of the authors.

Also detail from the Alexander Sarcophagus Alexander's hair is red the original paint was still their.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_AgpoqapWxFw/RlBsQ9rxsXI/AAAAAAAAADE/05XTTunQ24Q/0027+Alexander+Sarcophagus.jpg

In other words he looked nothing like your swarthy skin and dark haired Semitic looks.:)

[Beorn]

Aelian, Varia Historia, 12.14 Alexander's hair was "xantheizein". "Ξάνθη" in ancient Greek meant golden haired. And from Plutarch, Alexander 4.1-7 he was pale skinned and ruddy.

So that would make him....blonde! :thumb001: And as a word of advice to yourself, the word "xantheizein" can be interpreted as either blondish or brownish.

His hair colour is always depicted as either blonde or brown. From the Pompeii House of Faun to the myriad of paintings which adorn sarcophagus's.

So it begs the question where you got the whole Alexander was redheaded, Brian? Care to divulge?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_AgpoqapWxFw/RlBsQ9rxsXI/AAAAAAAAADE/05XTTunQ24Q/0027+Alexander+Sarcophagus.jpg

[Bari]

:no:

Alexander the Great's long-lost descendants. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6084)



:loco: Where did you get that information from?

- Didn't you know ancient europeans were of mostly halstatt nordic phenotype, and they gave blond hair even to pakistanis?

[Creeping Death]

So that would make him....blonde! :thumb001: And as a word of advice to yourself, the word "xantheizein" can be interpreted as either blondish or brownish.

His hair colour is always depicted as either blonde or brown. From the Pompeii House of Faun to the myriad of paintings which adorn sarcophagus's.

So it begs the question where you got the whole Alexander was redheaded, Brian? Care to divulge?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_AgpoqapWxFw/RlBsQ9rxsXI/AAAAAAAAADE/05XTTunQ24Q/0027+Alexander+Sarcophagus.jpg
I knew you had not heard of those ancient writers, proving once again what an absolute waste of time providing information to an idiot who hasn’t the intellect to appreciate it . Xantheizein in Greek means yellow which can be interpreted as either golden blond/ ginger, we all know General Custer was redheaded and called Yellow Hair. Alexanders sarcophagus is a faithful representation of Alexander, shows him clearly with redhair. Either Fair haired or Red haired he was definitely either and pale skinned he was white, not swarthy like you.

[Beorn]

I knew you had not heard of those ancient writers

Hey? Where did I say that? When Stirpes goes back online do yourself a favour and have a look at the man in my avatar before you hilariously try to tell me who and what I have and haven't read.


Xantheizein in Greek means yellow which can be interpreted as either golden blond/ ginger

Correct, yet incorrect. The word is translated as Yellow, or Brown, but not Ginger.


Alexanders sarcophagus is a faithful representation of Alexander, shows him clearly with redhair.

The only depiction of him that does and one that goes against all records of him.


Either Fair haired or Red haired he was definitely either and pale skinned he was white, not swarthy like you.

:rotfl: Are you being serious now? You've read so much and yet gained no knowledge at all.

[Creeping Death]

When Stirpes goes back online do yourself a favour and have a look at the man in my avatar before you hilariously try to tell me who and what I have and haven't read.
Alexander the Great lived 356–323 BC, the Alexander Mosaic at The Battle of Issus, your old avatar, dates from 100 BC some 2 centuries after his death, and based on a painting by Appelles commissioned for King Cassander, also the mosaic was situated in Pompei Italy. But carry on with your stupidity of denying that blonde and redhair were prevalent in Southern Europe in Ancient times.

[Beorn]

But carry on with your stupidity of denying that blonde and redhair were prevalent in Southern Europe in Ancient times.

Where did I state that I denied it? I only correctly denied that Alexander was red haired. As both the mosaic and other depictions show. (With the exception of your little orange hatted depictions of course ;))

[The Black Prince]

Textbook Nordische Reihengräber typus..:D

Nah to be honest, would say Dinarid type.

Might have been light haired, but it is hard to interpret the texts from the classics about their perception of haircolour. He could as well have had brown hair (bleached by sun, looking blondish), or only blondish hair in his childhood.

[Falkata]

Alexander the Great, the best depiction that we have from him. He looks uber greek

http://www.avizora.com/publicaciones/biografias/textos/textos_a/images/alejandro_magno_03.jpg

Stop the nordicist paranoia please , I´m sure you have some great men in your own countries, it´s not necesary to go to the south to steal them

[Beorn]

Who's being Nordicist?

[Kadu]

Alexander the Great, the best depiction that we have from him. He looks uber greek

http://www.avizora.com/publicaciones/biografias/textos/textos_a/images/alejandro_magno_03.jpg

Stop the nordicist paranoia please , I´m sure you have some great men in your own countries, it´s not necesary to go to the south to steal them

Why not auburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_(color))? now lets give our hands and dance around the fire.:D

[Creeping Death]

Where did I state that I denied it? I only correctly denied that Alexander was red haired. As both the mosaic and other depictions show.
Ill just repost:

Alexander the Great lived 356–323 BC, the Alexander Mosaic at The Battle of Issus, your old avatar, dates from 100 BC some 2 centuries after his death, and based on a painting by Appelles commissioned for King Cassander, also the mosaic was situated in Pompei Italy.
So how could your mosaic which was created 200+ years after his death be accurate? Especially when you yourself posted a link which confirms he was pale skinned, whereas your mosaic is dark skinned.:rolleyes2:

And how Yellow can become Brown is beyond me your stretching it here cupcake.:thumbs up


(With the exception of your little orange hatted depictions of course ;))The Alexander Sarcophagus was done at the time of his death, unlike yours.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/AlexandreLouvre.jpg

Bust of Alexander , with traces of red paint still in his hair, according to Plutarch sculptures by Lysippus were the most faithful.

Fact is the reason why you choose the mosaic is that it represents your features giving you a sense of security in your swarthiness.

[Creeping Death]

EDIT: Here is the copy of the portrait that Alexander didn't seem to impressed by in its depiction of him.


http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/21/2192/2O1AD00Z/alexander-the-great-from-the-alexander-mosaic.jpg

Alexander the Great lived 356–323 BC, the Alexander Mosaic at The Battle of Issus, this mosaic dates from 100 BC some 2 centuries after his death, and based on a painting by Appelles commissioned for King Cassander, also the mosaic was situated in Pompei Italy.

This is a more accurate depiction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/AlexandreLouvre.jpg

Bust of Alexander according to Plutarch sculptures by Lysippus were the most faithful.

[Beorn]

You may wish to read the actual classification thread of Alexander (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=97632#post97632) for my answer, Brian. I tire of having to re-stress each point as if you were a child.

[Falkata]

Fact is the reason why you choose the mosaic is that it represents your features giving you a sense of security in your swarthiness.

You are the only insecure here triying to "make nordic" every important historical figure or civilization. Face the truth man, instead of living in your wet blond dreams ;)
And even if he was pale, if you spend thousands of days under the sun you gonna get a tan. I see every summer brown scandinavians in our beaches, it´s nothing special.
And i´m very proud of my "swarthiness" , at least i dont try to connect Ragnar the Viking with the south

[Beorn]

This is a classification thread, Brian, please keep all your references to hair colours to your own thread. Thank you.

[SuuT]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/AlexandreLouvre.jpg

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I think there is some Faelid in Alexander's busts too, but predominately....

[Loki]

Similar threads merged.

[Loki]

Similar threads merged again.

[Absinthe]

He looks like a robust mediterranean, most likely med/UP to me...

For the record, "xanthizo" means something like "leaning towards blond", which is not at all inconsistent with the mediterranean region as the "golden brown" hair color is very common around our parts. ;)

(it's also my natural :p)

[Creeping Death]

You may wish to read the actual classification thread of Alexander (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=97632#post97632) for my answer, Brian. I tire of having to re-stress each point as if you were a child.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil_hat_antenna.jpg

[Beorn]

Keep pictures of your mother out of the thread, Brian.

[Absinthe]

Why did I bother making a classification attempt in this thread?:loco:

[Beorn]

Why did I bother making a classification attempt in this thread?:loco:

The proper one keeps getting merged into this lowbrow fuckfest! Mad I know. :loco:

[Psychonaut]

Why did I bother making a classification attempt in this thread?:loco:

Yes. Does this really need to be reiterated two days in a row? Don't act like a jackass in a classification thread. If you're not capable of keeping it highbrow on this sub-forum, stay out. I'm looking at you two Brian and Wat. I know you're both capable of making the kinds of posts intended for this sub-forum, but are choosing to do otherwise. If one of you responds to the other's post with something retarded, the other need not up the level of retardation and degenerate a classification thread into talking about someone's mother.

[Beorn]

I sent you a PM before seeing this post, but I did attempt to make a highbrow thread which you specify we adhere towards, but it was unfortunately mixed up into a thread which didn't belong in the Taxonomy section to begin with.

My apologies regardless.

[Falkata]

Some nordic and med types are hard to distinguish (pigmentation apart) anyway. Many atlanto-meds around here could pass easily as northerns if they had blond-blue eyes and the opposite would happen with many northerns if they had dark features.
And about Alexander, I still can´t see what is so special about his phenotype. Brown hair is the most common hair in S. Europe, as an example
"In Spain, as a whole, some 29 per cent of the male population has black hair, some 68 per cent dark brown, while traces of blondism are visible in 17 per cent." ( C. Coon,Races of Europe) "

I think the Absinthe classification was kinda accurate imo.
I would like to see the posterior part of his skull to know if he had some dinaric , but probably not.

[Barreldriver]

- Didn't you know ancient europeans were of mostly halstatt nordic phenotype, and they gave blond hair even to pakistanis?

Lol that is idiocy 100% with zero proof, like it makes sense for a leptomorphic type to survive in sub-arctic conditions that favor boreal types from the end of the LGM then survive the transition into now. LOL! and Phail. It is more likely the leptomorphic types came to be when the climates warmed up in Europe, and in a very gradual manner, especially since more boreal types are still the norm via Alpinoids, Bruenns, etc... the Hallstatt is hardly the most ancient European type or the most frequent.

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[Loki]

Amazing Alexander the Great find (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/article.html?Amazing_Alexander_the_Great_find&in_article_id=739152&in_page_id=64)

This 2,000-year old gem features an intricate miniature engraving of Alexander the Great.

The jewel, which is just 1cm long by 0.5cm wide, was found during an archaeological dig in Tel Dor, Israel.

Alexander, who took the city in 33 BC, was the first Greek leader to commission artists to depict his image and experts say the likeness is remarkable.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/alexander_coin_450x569.jpg

[Creeping Death]

This is a classification thread, Brian, please keep all your references to hair colours to your own thread. Thank you.
Okay you made this claim pertaining to this thread.

Brian Foley VS Wat Tyler (http://forum.stirpes.net/camera-obscura/24395-brian-foley-vs-wat-tyler.html)
Are you going to sulk forever at the whipping you got or take it on the chin and pick yourself up? :)

That's three times you have dodged in producing evidence, Brian.;)

Yes, that was the one. I had previously said what the records had said in regards to his hair, but when I asked you to provide evidence towards him actually having red hair and actually presenting it in public...you went silent.
Just where has this happened on this thread???

[Beorn]

Hooray! Another fucking idiot to rejoin the madhouse.

Fight club, please.

[Creeping Death]

Hooray! Another fucking idiot to rejoin the madhouse.

Fight club, please.
Yeah I thought so, another Full Shit boast. I win you lose...again.

[Beorn]

Problem is Brian, the question has been asked so many times and ignored, that I really couldn't give a flying monkey bollocks.

You win? Ooooh! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Here, have a banana you fat cunt.

[Creeping Death]

Problem is Brian, the question has been asked so many times and ignored, that I really couldn't give a flying monkey bollocks.

You win? Ooooh! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Here, have a banana you fat cunt.

Thanks Cunts are useful, your a prick they get pushed around everywhere.

[Beorn]

Thanks Cunts are useful, your a prick they get pushed around everywhere.

Correction.

You should have wrote: "Thanks! Cunts are useful. You're a prick and they get pushed around everywhere."

Anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Btw, I don't mean to be rude in prying, but here in England cunts are useful too, but the pricks usually stay firmly within trousers. Why on Earth are you pushing them around everywhere? Is this some new Antipodean mode of transport without engines? :mmmm:

[Loki]

Thanks Cunts are useful, your a prick they get pushed around everywhere.

aSSWIPE

[Creeping Death]

but the pricks usually stay firmly within trousers. And thats why your women go with Black men instead, you pommy pricks havent figured out how to use it.

aSSWIPE
I take it you were a prop in the scrum when playing Rugby.;) Yarpie prick....

[Beorn]

And thats why your women go with Black men instead, you pommy pricks havent figured out how to use it.

Haha! :rotfl: Says the man who thinks pricks should be "pushed around".

And 'black' isn't capitalised. :)

[Beorn]

LOL!

PETITION TO BRING BACK BRIAN FOLEY.

Brennus aka Beornwulfwer aka Wat Tyler aka Captain Blackbeard

[Psychonaut]

LOL!

PETITION TO BRING BACK BRIAN FOLEY.

Brennus aka Beornwulfwer aka Wat Tyler aka Captain Blackbeard

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5856&stc=1&d=1285368070

[Ibericus]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/AlexandreLouvre.jpg
Very greek.

As for being described as pale, well there are lots of greeks who are pale :

http://www.newstime.gr/resources/2009-08/sxortsianitis-thumb-large.jpg

[PBachman]

http://gardenofpraise.com/images/garalex.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/AlexanderTheGreat_Bust.jpg/200px-AlexanderTheGreat_Bust.jpg

http://www.livius.org/a/1/alexander/alex_bm.jpg

http://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/sitebuilder/images/0332-402x600.jpg

[пустиняк]

I think Alpine-Mediteranean combo

[Trun]

Macedonoid.

j3ir7uwC2gc

[chipriota]

LOL feuerfrei! :lol:

Cousin of Cinderella and Winnie the Pooh, other two famous Fyromians!

[Capricornus]

apline-med-dinarid

[Cern]

hair blond.

http://i47.tinypic.com/30myc0y.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/6sz4le.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/wb8eb4.jpg

[bella1407]

greek.

[Nadezhda89]

Pontid. He was good-looking. ;)

[British-Wolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvRWUCfAPs0

[Cern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvRWUCfAPs0

:D

[Anglojew]

Looks identical to a friend of mine who's family comes from Sicily. He has light brown hair though (dark blonde?).

[Cern]

(dark blonde?).

I don't know. I read, he blond.

[Loki]

I don't think he looked Greek or Pontid ... his type is probably not in existence anymore, really ...

[Žołnir]

I am alexander altho not the great still his haircut is similar to mine from high school. :)

[King Fingolfin]

Ancient Historians (Arrian, Quintus Curtius, Plutarch, Diodorus, Justinus) wrote Alexander was of average to short stature, strong built, with a fair ruddy skin, and with a complete heterochromia (according to Arrian he had an eye dark brown and another sky blue).

My opinion: Dinaricized/"Noricized" Pontid + CM (Alpinid).

[Turkophagos]

http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/A/ALE/alexander-great-mosaic.jpg


Dinaro-Med.

[Aunt Hilda]

Ancient Historians (Arrian, Quintus Curtius, Plutarch, Diodorus, Justinus) wrote Alexander was of average to short stature, strong built, with a fair ruddy skin, and with a complete heterochromia (according to Arrian he had an eye dark brown and another sky blue).

My opinion: Dinaricized/"Noricized" Pontid + CM (Alpinid).

thats a good a guess as any

[Partizan]

Ancient Historians (Arrian, Quintus Curtius, Plutarch, Diodorus, Justinus) wrote Alexander was of average to short stature, strong built, with a fair ruddy skin, and with a complete heterochromia (according to Arrian he had an eye dark brown and another sky blue).

My opinion: Dinaricized/"Noricized" Pontid + CM (Alpinid).

Agreed.

[King Fingolfin]

http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/A/ALE/alexander-great-mosaic.jpg


Dinaro-Med.

This is a mosaic from Pompei. I don't think it's very reliable. I judge more trustworthies the statements of the historians Arrian and Plutarch, who took datas from Callisthenes and other contemporaries of Alexander.

[dralos]

norid/cm

[Scholarios]

This is a mosaic from Pompei. I don't think it's very reliable. I judge more trustworthies the statements of the historians Arrian and Plutarch, who took datas from Callisthenes and other contemporaries of Alexander.

But their data from Callisthenes, true or not, doesn't discount the mosaic above. The Pompeii Mosaic is probably inspired by the original done by Philoxenos of Eretria- who painted it as a gift for King Kassander, one of Alexander's Companions. It is about as close to Alexander's look as we can get- in my opinion. We can even see in the photo Alexander's face looks a bit cherry-colored, rosey. We cannot see both eyes to see if the said condition is true, but otherwise, it looks like quite a probable look for Alex.

[Roy]

Since when he was blond ... ? :confused:

[kvarc]

every source said he was blonde

[Scholarios]

every source said he was blonde

which source?

what is the basis?

what does it say exactly? (in Greek)

[kvarc]

Greek aristocracy allegedly had 1/4 of blondism ......Aryan conquest and stuff :)

[kvarc]

which source?

what is the basis?

what does it say exactly? (in Greek)

I don`t remember ( there is more than one ) but it`is widely accepted he was blonde

[Kastrioti1443]

which source?

what is the basis?

what does it say exactly? (in Greek)


Man, blonde is considered also light brown hair. He might have been light brown hair.

[kvarc]

"Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face" Greek biographer Plutarch

[Twistedmind]

which source?

what is the basis?

what does it say exactly? (in Greek)


τὴν μὲν οὖν ἰδέαν τοῦ σώματος οἱ Λυσίππειοι μάλιστα τῶν ἀνδριάντων ἐμφαίνουσιν, ὑφ᾽ οὗ μόνου καὶ αὐτὸς ἠξίου πλάττεσθαι. καὶ γὰρ μάλισθ᾽ ἃ πολλοὶ τῶν διαδόχων ὕστερον καὶ τῶν φίλων ἀπεμιμοῦντο, τήν τε ἀνάτασιν τοῦ αὐχένος εἰς εὐώνυμον ἡσυχῇ κεκλιμένου καὶ Τὴν ὑγρότητα τῶν ὀμμάτων, διατετήρηκεν ἀκριβῶς ὁ τεχνίτης. [2] Ἀπελλῆς δὲ γράφων τὸν κεραυνοφόρον οὐκ ἐμιμήσατο Τὴν χρόαν, ἀλλὰ φαιότερον καὶ πεπινωμένον ἐποίησεν. ἦν δὲ λευκός, ὥς φασιν ἡ δὲ [p. 232] λευκότης ἐπεφοίνισσεν αὐτοῦ περὶ τὸ στῆθος μάλιστα καὶ τὸ πρόσωπον, ὅτι δὲ τοῦ χρωτὸς ἥδιστον ἀπέπνει καὶ τὸ στόμα κατεῖχεν εὐωδία καὶ Τὴν σάρκα πᾶσαν, ὥστε πληροῦσθαι τοὺς χιτωνίσκους, ἀνέγνωμεν ἐν ὑπομνήμασιν Ἀριστοξενείοις.

Plutarch used words:
λευκός
λευκότης

[Scholarios]

Okay we won't go there on the Greek Aristocracy... as it's been smashed 100 times before.

And on the 2nd point, there is no near contemporary source that uses the word blonde (or any variation of it). Pseudo-Callisthenes "Alexander Romance" (with part of its origin in the Middle Ages) doesn't count. We do hear later sources however play up his resemblance to a lion (they would also be the inspiration for the early descriptions of Christ)

"Widely accepted" on the internet does not mean much(and its one of the top 3 fallacies to boot). We can see Alexander in antiquity clearly represented as a brunette.. so the Ancients did not share the anthroforums point of view necessarily.

[Scholarios]

"Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face" Greek biographer Plutarch

that doesn't say blonde in Greek nor in English. I don't know why people want to believe he was a Blonde so much on these sources where it is not established.

[Dombra]

Dinaro- Pontid

inb4 über nordic and the tales are true

[kvarc]

that doesn't say blonde in Greek nor in English. I don't know why people want to believe he was a Blonde so much on these sources where it is not established.

Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face ...

fair - blond, pale

ruddiness - a. Having a healthy, reddish color. b. Reddish; rosy.
( really who else other than a blond guy has reddish skin color )

[Scholarios]

Plutarch used words:
λευκός
λευκότης

lefkos= fairness,whiteness, "lightness"

I have no problem with Alexander being blonde except Plutarch's critique of painters who were contemporary with Alexander just doesn't add up- unless we consider it post-legendarium (again, playing up Alexander's unique appearance, similarities to a Lion- sun-God of light, etc).

[Vasconcelos]

Oh God, not another "EVERY IMPORTANT FIGURE IN HISTORY WAS NORDIC AND BLONDE" shit again.

[bellr098]

Would he have been Pre-slavic?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?77673-Classify-me

[Linet]

leuko = white, nothign to do with hair color. Greeks never use fair like in english for both hair and skin.
If he was blond, there would be the word ξανθός, ksanthos there, which is not.

[Twistedmind]

lefkos= fairness,whiteness, "lightness"

I have no problem with Alexander being blonde except Plutarch's critique of painters who were contemporary with Alexander just doesn't add up- unless we consider it post-legendarium (again, playing up Alexander's unique appearance, similarities to a Lion- sun-God of light, etc).

I know what word means. I understand Ancient Greek. :) But from what I comperhend from text, we could know for sure, that Plutarch believed Alexander was light skinned, and possible light haired, without specific refference to colour of hair. :)

[Philo]

I doubt he was blond.
I like this song, BTW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTEQf1d9Iw

[wvwvw]

Btw, “Alexander”, is a purely Greek name and although to most of you appears entirely opaque, is made of two parts in Greek:

“Alex-” is a prefix, meaning “protector”; thus we have words in modern Greek such as “alexisfero” (“bulletproof”, protecting from bullets), “alexikeravno” (“lightning rod”, protecting from thunderbolts), and “alexiptoto” (“parachute”, protecting from falling).

And “-ander” comes from Greek “andros”, the genitive of the word for “man” (“andras” in Greek: άνδρας). Homer starts The Odyssey thus: “ándra moi énnepe moûsa polýtropon...” i.e., “Tell me, o Muse, of that ingenious man...” etc. In English, the root “andrο-” passed into words such as “androgynous”, “android”, “Andrew”, and a few more.

In short, “Alexander” means: “Protector of men” -but in Greek only! In Slavic language it means absolutely nothing, because the word is of Greek, not of Slavic origin.

Because “alexandros” was a word in Ancient Greek (not just a name), it has an entry in Liddell & Scott’s dictionary, the most authoritative, the “Mother of all Ancient Greek dictionaries”. Here is the entry for “alexandros” in Liddell & Scott’s. Meaning: “defending men”.

Alexandro's father was Phillipos, also a purely Greek name as was every other known ancient Macedonian name. In Greek the prefix “philo-” means “having an affinity to” or “be a friend of”. This root passed into English words such as “philosophy”, “philanthropy”, and even “Philadelphia” and “Philippines”.

And the suffix “-ippos”, or “horse”. This root passed into Latin as “hippo-” (the initial h is the rendition of the pronunciation of the Greek “rough breathing mark”), and thence into English words such as “hippopotamus” (lit.: “river-horse”) and “hippocampus”.

“He who loves horses”, that’s what “Philippos” means in Greek. And if you want some reference here is the Wikipedia page for the entry “Philip II of Macedon”, which says the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_Macedon

The word Macedon means the inhabitant of the ancient “Makednon”, in ancient Greek is “Makednos” (e.g., see Herodotus, Histories, book 1, §56: “Μακεδνόν καλεόμενον”). The root “Mak-” comes from “makos” (μάκος), the doric-Greek form for “mekos” (μήκος in Attic Greek), or “length” (in both ancient and modern Greek). In short, “Makednos” meant a “tall person”. In modern Greek, “makrys” means “long”. The same root is the source of the English prefix “macro-”, which modifies many words to mean long (macro·biotic, macro·instruction) or large (macro·cosm, macro·molecule.
Every Greek name has a meaning. The name Aristotle is also made of two Greek constituents, “ariston” and “telos” and so on.

[Scholarios]

I know what word means. I understand Ancient Greek. :) But from what I comperhend from text, we could know for sure, that Plutarch believed Alexander was light skinned, and possible light haired, without specific refference to colour of hair. :)

Yeah I figured you did, but I want to make it clear for others. Linet's word is correct. Btw, there is an island in Greece "Lefkada" as you know, known for it's white chalk cliffs.

Whether Alexander was blonde or not is not really that big of deal. It's just when people discount the Pompeii portrait which is in all likelihood the closest to a contemporary portrait we will ever have of Alexander by claiming it was stylized to "look like an Italian" I just cringe. As if Italians are so much darker than a guy born in the Aegean basin. :picard1: It's clearly grasping...

[Peyrol]

hair blond.


http://i48.tinypic.com/wb8eb4.jpg

Lol, ''hair blond'' where? In the Oliver Stone's movie :lol:

http://www.erbe.altervista.org/piante/img1/alessandro_magno.jpg

[wvwvw]

You could find blond and red-haired Greeks in Ancient Greece, just like you can find them today in Greece. It's just that blond hair weren't that common.

[Peyrol]

leuko = white, nothign to do with hair color. Greeks never use fair like in english for both hair and skin.
If he was blond, there would be the word ξανθός, ksanthos there, which is not.

It would be like all the anglosaxon with the surname ''Brown'' were black people...:lol:

[Cern]

Yeah I figured you did, but I want to make it clear for others. Linet's word is correct. Btw, there is an island in Greece "Lefkada" as you know, known for it's white chalk cliffs.

Whether Alexander was blonde or not is not really that big of deal. It's just when people discount the Pompeii portrait which is in all likelihood the closest to a contemporary portrait we will ever have of Alexander by claiming it was stylized to "look like an Italian" I just cringe. As if Italians are so much darker than a guy born in the Aegean basin. :picard1: It's clearly grasping...

He great strategist! Irrelevant blond or brown.

[Cern]

Lol, ''hair blond'' where? In the Oliver Stone's movie :lol:



:picard1:
I read, he blond.

[Linet]

Also the understanding of a Greek and a German or a Scandinavian about blond is totally different.
What is for us concidered blond for Northeners would be light brown.

[rashka]

Would he have been Pre-slavic?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?77673-Classify-me

I suspect he was of Thracian origins.

[Scholarios]

I suspect he was of Thracian origins.


He was an Argive :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argos

His mother was a Molossian though. Albanians claim her but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molossians

[wvwvw]

I suspect he was of Thracian origins.

Alexandros himself had no such suspicions: :p

Men of Athens… Had I not greatly AT HEART the COMMON welfare of GREECE I should not have come to tell you; but I AM MYSELF GREEK by descent & I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the GREEK CAUSE, to acquaint u with what Mardonius intends, & to save u from being surprised by the barbarians. I'm ALEXANDER of MACEDON
[Herodotus, The Histories 9:45]

[Linet]

Αυτός είναι ο παππούς του, ο Αλέξανδρος ο Α' που πήρε μέρος και στους Ολυμπιακούς Αγώνες.

[wvwvw]

Αυτός είναι ο παππούς του, ο Αλέξανδρος ο Α' που πήρε μέρος και στους Ολυμπιακούς Αγώνες.

Αν είναι ο παππούς τότε ο εγγονός τι θά'ναι; :p

[Linet]

Αν είναι ο παππούς του τότε ο εγγονός τι θάναι; :p

:tongue: , ναι βρε, απλά είπες ότι ο ίδιος δεν είχε αμφιβολία... :)

[ChocolateFace]

I think Alexander was Sub-Nordid/Pontid

[arcticwolf]

You guys are good! Classifying a dude that nobody knows for sure what he really was, that's awesome! Let's take it to the next level, please classify and guessify The Greek Goddess of wisdom Athena!

I say Nordid with East Baltid tendencies.

What do y'all think? :laugh:

[Cleitus]

http://www.layline.de/geschichte/Alex.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/2/2/1296677371819/Alexander-the-Great-fight-007.jpg
http://www.meaus.com/AlaxanderBust.gif

[WOOHP]

Dinaro-Pontid. Pretty Balkanic looking.

[Zorlux]

Dinaro-Pontid. Pretty Balkanic looking.
I think there is a few threads on him already. But I think Alpine-Med-Dinarid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4xunQE8uXA

[Hellenas]

http://www.layline.de/geschichte/Alex.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/2/2/1296677371819/Alexander-the-Great-fight-007.jpg
http://www.meaus.com/AlaxanderBust.gif

These busts & painting do not really represent the real phenotype of Alexandros.

Lysippos and Alexander

"During his lifetime, Lysippos was personal sculptor to Alexander the Great; indeed, he was the only artist whom the conqueror saw fit to represent him."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysippos#Lysippos_and_Alexander

http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/42/7642-004-42BBD267.jpg

http://ex-amaxis.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/clip_image002.jpg

http://theworldofalexanderthegreat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/ps227136_l.jpg?w=400&h=400

http://theworldofalexanderthegreat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/tumblr_lte5i0s6mr1qbhp9xo1_1280.jpg?w=627&h=978

Absolutely a MED, according to the Anthropologist John Lawrence Angel he's was a Basic white(a type which belong to the Mediterranean race). Very Hellenic faced and similar to the Olympian Gods.

[Leon_C]

the guy in the horrible histories video really looks like the busts of Alexander haha

[Ness]

Pred. Dinarid i guess. Pontid, and Alpine influence too.

[Marko]

Albanian

[ChocolateFace]

Sub-Nordid + Pontid + Dinaric

[Ibericus]

Dinaro-Med

[Roy]

Dinaro-Med

+ 1

[ABest]

We don't have an actual picture of him so we can't accurately classify him.

According to the Alexander Mosaic he had a Med appearance. His busts also manifest a Med appearance with a Dinarid element, maybe.

Overall, I think he looked predominantly Med with a Dinarid element, so Dinaro-Med would make sense.

[YeshAtid]

negroid

[Hellenas]

THE DINARIC RACE

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOFUJZR_E0ZqdBk3O1HqYOmPRTrgXp-5pMldepRX_RK5o2EQ9cBw&t=1

FIG. 3 (2 views). An exaggeratedly tall, lean, and long-faced Dinaric from Klementi, the northernmost bairak of the tribe of Malsia ë Madhë. Northern Albania is probably the most highly Dinaricized country in Europe.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSl4vcN1SI0sJZbBxHHHnl8oqvq7_qM_ LXDjB0slw65gmSHdtvX&t=1

FIG. 4 (2 views). A blond Gheg from Zadrima; a classic Noric.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtqLvLmyHU8XDQiraFTSC--kPYRGFN0OpVjy5WtU4UB5_wApKs&t=1

FIG. 5 (2 views). An extremely Dinaricized Zadrima Gheg; this individual may be considered an example of the ultimate in Dinaricization.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate39.htm

Alexandros, the Great HELLEN, is not a Dinaric, only in some depictions(not really credible) he has a Dinaric element(especially the nose).

[ABest]

Alexandros, the Great HELLEN, is not a Dinaric, only in some depictions(not really credible) he has a Dinaric element(especially the nose).

I agree. His overall facial structure is Med and his features are Med as well according to the Alexander Mosaic.

Only his nose area could have a mild Dinarid element. However, in several of his busts his nose area looks Med as well.

Anyway, overall I'd classify him as Med, I agree with you.

[CrystalMaiden]

Illyro-Goth 10/10, would want to bear his heirs.

[Smeagol]

Depigmented Mediterranean.

[Smeagol]

Norid. Alexander was described as blonde haired with one blue eye, and one brown eye.

[Smeagol]

Noric + CM.

[Smeagol]

The Pompeii portrait is most likely inaccurate. It was made hundreds of years after Alexander died, and Plutarch said the the statues from Lysippos were the most accurate.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/AlexandreLouvre.jpg

[Smeagol]

And yes, he was blonde.
Of persons excellent in Beauty.
"They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance.
(Aelian, Varia Historia .Book XII Chap. XIV.)

[Cern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnMcs_5oTV8

[justme]

He looks Dinarid + Pontid.

[kvarc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnMcs_5oTV8

sub-nordid/cm... not a very Greek look

[Skerdilaid]

The Pompeii portrait is most likely inaccurate. It was made hundreds of years after Alexander died, and Plutarch said the the statues from Lysippos were the most accurate.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/AlexandreLouvre.jpg

Fuck he looks like my cousin in this one.

A bit Dinarized Nordo-CM

[wvwvw]

Great body too :naughty:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Alexander1256.jpg

[Smeagol]

Noric.

[Sharkeatpeople]

if you believe Lissip
Nordo-CM
differently simply cannot be.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Nordo-CM
http://theworldofalexanderthegreat.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/tumblr_lte5i0s6mr1qbhp9xo1_1280.jpg?w=627&h=978

[madridi4verrr]

Alpine-med/Gracile Med with some Dinarization

[archangel]

Med

[Smeagol]

Noric.

[Cleitus]

Noric.
You did saw him in real life ?

[Smeagol]

You did saw him in real life ?

He was described as blond with one blue eye, and one brown eye.

[Cleitus]

And now ? So only Norics/Nordids have Blond Hair ? he can be also just a Pontid with Blond Hair.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

And now ? So only Norics/Nordids have Blond Hair ? he can be also just a Pontid with Blond Hair.

Bust or picture of a bust is actually a lot better for classifying than a picture, you can also get it posed to good angles. One that's so extremely detailed is bound to be accurate. It's a lot harder to make up detail than to copy it.

[armenianbodyhair]

Dinaro-gay

[Tomorr]

Dinaro-alpinid

[Smeagol]

Dinaric/Noric, highly atypical for a Greek
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/BattleofIssus333BC-mosaic-detail1.jpg

This isn't an accurate depiction. It was made by Apelles, and even Plutarch criticized it for making Alexander too swarthy.


1 The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. 2 For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. 3 Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. 4 Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus. Plutarch, (Life of Alexander)

More data on Alexander's pigmentation:



"They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance.(Aelian, Varia Historia .Book XII Chap. XIV.)


The strong, handsome commander with one eye dark as the night and one blue as the sky.-Arrian

Staues made of him by Lysippos were noted by Plutarch, and even Alexander himself to be the most accurate of him. He was probably Nordoid with Dinarid influence.

[GrebluBro]

all classifications would be inaccurate..I believe no one knows how exactly he looked

[Sharkeatpeople]

Lysippus 390 - 300 BC
Alexander 356 -323 BC.
Alexander had light pigmentation.

Greek biographer Plutarch (c. 45–120 AD) describes Alexander's appearance as:
¹ The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. ² For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. ³ Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. 4 Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great
bust from Lysippos
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae321/sharkeatpeople/368_zps463fc9e5.jpg
pure Nordo-CM,zero Dinarid,Med or something.

[Kastrioti1443]

Alexander was maybe a Norid type, these very old statues are very damaged to classify.

[cally]

Norid + gracile CM/alpinid

[Proctor]

This isn't an accurate depiction. It was made by Apelles, and even Plutarch criticized it for making Alexander too swarthy.



More data on Alexander's pigmentation:






Staues made of him by Lysippos were noted by Plutarch, and even Alexander himself to be the most accurate of him. He was probably Nordoid with Dinarid influence.

That swarthy depiction of him has always been strange to me.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Looks kinda like minard.

nordo-cm for me as well

[Prisoner Of Ice]

He was best depicted on the bust. So you are wrong, my inferior weddoid friend.

I play with zbrush a lot in my spare time. It's really hard to just make up a person's face, basically impossible. You model it closely from your subject (or a stand in or other bust/painting), that's really only way to do it. And if you work in stone (which takes weeks) I am sure you take even more care. Make wooden models and compare them to the rel life guy, etc. Nobody just whips up a lifelike statue out of thin air.

[Proctor]

Looks kinda like minard.

nordo-cm for me as well

Oh god no, looks nothing like Minard, Alexander the great was a light looking powerful warrior/general, Minard is a somewhat dark looking bug collector.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Oh god no, looks nothing like Minard, Alexander the great was a light looking powerful warrior/general, Minard is a somewhat dark looking bug collector.

Alexander was kind of funny looking but has a general balkans look. So does minard. The coloring, people focus too much on. The blond and redhead traits are recessive and dark color genes overwhelm light quickly, so this ancestry can get covered up very easily.

[justme]

He looks Dinarid to me.. Nordid-Dinarid with some CM.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://i.imgur.com/6pczZjj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/paXGGv1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4MmBvRW.jpg

Looks kinda like brad pit, especially in profile.

[Crn Volk]

Dinarid

[Skerdilaid]

Norid, wow looks a lot like an Albanian in the first two.

[cally]

Norid/Dinarid + Alpine/Borreby influences

[templumForasticus]

A bust that does not preserve his painting can be interpreted of thousand ways.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

A bust that does not preserve his painting can be interpreted of thousand ways.

Coloring is irrelevant to classifying. It makes it harder if anything.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Stonewall_Jackson.jpg/200px-Stonewall_Jackson.jpg

A bit like him, too. Kelto-saxon exemplar Stonewall Jackson.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://i.imgur.com/6pczZjj.jpg

Looks kinda like brad pit, especially in profile.




http://theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/cznordyc.jpg

He does not show any dinaric or med whatsoever. Look how straight and clean that nose is. Look how the high point of the skull is towards the front not the back.

Also look at how the head makes a triangle shape like that. Clearly he's very doli and has an occipital lobe. I have seen busts of him before but never seen the profile like this before.

Anyway if you know anything about sculpture you know one this detailed is going to be very accurate in every detail. They don't make anything up they just model what they see.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://www.tio.by/uploads/tinymce_images/oleg_pavlov/Mart/TV-1/26c18788ba36347718b989c0d979e5c2.jpg

This profile is even closer.

[Smeagol]

Looks Nordoid with Balkan Borreby influence. He might have a Dinaroid/Taurid tendency, kind of like how Eastnordids can have.

[Skerdilaid]

I think more like him:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/1875/unk5vv9.jpg

[Crn Volk]

Looks med here though

http://a5.files.saymedia-content.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_face,h_300,q_70,w_300/MTIwNjA4NjMzNzIxNzUxMDUy.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Looks med here though

http://a5.files.saymedia-content.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_face,h_300,q_70,w_300/MTIwNjA4NjMzNzIxNzUxMDUy.jpg

Darkwashed pic that doesn't come from macedonia at all and is 1000+ years later.

[zhaoyun]

Marble

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Also, I have to say his profile is interesting. Him and the skando guy and myself all seem to have a mouth that actually recedes. I seem to have literally no lips to most people even though they are 1/2 wide. I also seem to have a frown all the time, like alexander.

I think this is due to chin protruding forward so much and heavy bone and tooth roots above the teeth. Makes for a very flat face that recedes as you go down. Basically it's nordo-cromag, basically trondelag type (similar to tronders, overgrown brunn + tronder).

[Smeagol]

Looks med here though

http://a5.files.saymedia-content.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_face,h_300,q_70,w_300/MTIwNjA4NjMzNzIxNzUxMDUy.jpg

This gets posted in literally every classification thread for Alexander.

Here's a depiction that actually comes from Macedonia around the time Alexander was living.
http://www.strangehistory.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lion-hunt-mosaic-macedonia.jpg

Ancient descriptions of Alexander:


They say that the most amiable and beautiful amongst the Greeks was Alcibiades; amongst the Romans, Scipio. It is reported also that Demetrius Poliorcetes contended in Beauty. They affirm likewise that Alexander Son of Philip was of a neglectful handsomness: For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow; yet they say there was something stern in his countenance.
(Aelian, Varia Historia .Book XII Chap. XIV.)


1 The outward appearance of Alexander is best represented by the statues of him which Lysippus made, and it was by this artist alone that Alexander himself thought it fit that he should be modelled. 2 For those peculiarities which many of his successors and friends afterwards tried to imitate, namely, the poise of the neck, which was bent slightly to the left, and the melting glance of his eyes, this artist has accurately observed. 3 Apelles, however, in painting him as wielder of the thunder-bolt, did not reproduce his complexion, but made it too dark and swarthy. Whereas he was of a fair colour, as they say, and his fairness passed into ruddiness on his breast particularly, and in his face. 4 Moreover, that a very pleasant odour exhaled from his skin and that there was a fragrance about his mouth and all his flesh, so that his garments were filled with it, this we have read in the Memoirs of Aristoxenus.
Plutarch, (Life of Alexander)


The strong, handsome commander with one eye dark as the night and one blue as the sky.
(Arrian)

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Funny to me how much lighter all art gets, the further back you go....

[Prisoner Of Ice]

German samples from the 20th. From the book of Wolfgang Willrich: Das Deutsche Antlitz — The German Face

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33875&d=1369163353

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33876&d=1369163355

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33881&d=1369163364

I feel so nordicist today. Where's your brown Jesus now, Hellenas?

[Crn Volk]

I think more like him:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/1875/unk5vv9.jpg


Nah, more like him;

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-0/c0.53.480.320/386036_323271981033579_1481832948_n.jpg

[Skerdilaid]

This buddy of mine fits the bill perfectly, except he is a giant though 6'7".

taken down.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I son't suppose you have a profile pic of him?

[Skerdilaid]

I son't suppose you have a profile pic of him?

No, but identical in profile, nose and mouth. He might have a bit stronger chin though.

[armenianbodyhair]

Norid, wow looks a lot like an Albanian in the first two.

Why do Albanians think everyone and everything looks Albanian? Norids are just depigmented dinarids, and since this is a hunk of marble and not an actual person you can't tell his pigmentation. :picard2: :picard2:

[Zmey Gorynych]

Looks kinda like brad pit, especially in profile.
He has a CM component which is obvious in his short forehead and chin but it's definitely a secondary element. Main element looks Dinaro-Med or Dinaro-Pontid. I don't see Nordid in those busts.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

He has a CM component which is obvious in his short forehead and chin but it's definitely a secondary element. Main element looks Dinaro-Med or Dinaro-Pontid. I don't see Nordid in those busts.

Short forehead is not cm. Straight nose is not dinaric or med. His head actually goes down in the back as well, not up. He is not dinaric. He has a very distinctive skull shape that doesn't fit many people and is quite opposite of dinaric type, kind of like a teardrop on its side.

He is nordo-cromag, probably balkan borreby + nordic type.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Why do Albanians think everyone and everything looks Albanian? Norids are just depigmented dinarids, and since this is a hunk of marble and not an actual person you can't tell his pigmentation. :picard2: :picard2:

He does look very albanian, just not like typical dinaric type.

[Mortimer]

Nordid

[Zmey Gorynych]

Short forehead is not cm. Straight nose is not dinaric or med. His head actually goes down in the back as well, not up. He is not dinaric. He has a very distinctive skull shape that doesn't fit many people and is quite opposite of dinaric type, kind of like a teardrop on its side.

He is nordo-cromag, probably balkan borreby + nordic type.
Pffff, the only european type with short foreheads is CM. He doesn't have a straight nose, it's convex. My head also goes down at the back when you look in profile (and that's the case with most people) am I nordid too !? :) A rounded occiput doesn't mean a dolicocephalic head.

[Vojnik]

Dinaro-Med. He doesn't not look like those Germanic people you posted at all.

http://i.imgur.com/paXGGv1.jpg

This does not look Nordid.

[Vojnik]

Nah, more like him;

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-0/c0.53.480.320/386036_323271981033579_1481832948_n.jpg

This guy is the closest in looking like Alexander so far in this thread.

[Queen B]

AHAAAAAA! This is where Sakis Rouvas took his nose from !

[Styrian Mujo]

Aryan (Nordid) with some Balkan-CM.

[Styrian Mujo]

He has a CM component which is obvious in his short forehead and chin but it's definitely a secondary element. Main element looks Dinaro-Med or Dinaro-Pontid. I don't see Nordid in those busts.
No such thing as a "Dinaro-Med". Alexander is clearly of Nordid Aryan extraction with some Cromagnid influence.

[Vojnik]

Dinaro-Med. He doesn't not look like those Germanic people you posted at all.

http://i.imgur.com/paXGGv1.jpg

This does not look Nordid.

Above is predominate Dinarid/Noric individual.

This is a Nordid.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17922&d=1323277161

Alexander looks nothing like this guy.

[Styrian Mujo]

Above is predominate Dinarid/Noric individual.

This is a Nordid.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17922&d=1323277161
Alexander looks nothing like this guy
.
True that he has Taurid influence however I don't think "Dinaro-med" is even remotely a accurate classification as some memebers here classified him. He looks pred. Central-Western European and could fit well in southern Germany,France and maybe even Britain.

[wvwvw]

His nose and face are nothing unusual : rolleyes: I know Greeks with that look especially that nose although i can't think of anyone right now with his look

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FU41HFWBXZ8/UV3EqwsEVlI/AAAAAAAAdb4/WVHFk-SwHlo/s400/molis-kikloforise-300x336.jpg

http://www.mediasoup.gr/sites/default/files/imce/galinos_1.jpg

[Unome]

Father of all aR1ans

[Zmey Gorynych]

No such thing as a "Dinaro-Med". Alexander is clearly of Nordid Aryan extraction with some Cromagnid influence.
You discard Dinaro-Med as a classification and come up with Aryan Nordid :pound: Alexander was a greek man and looked like it, where the fuck do you see central or western european !?

[Styrian Mujo]

You discard Dinaro-Med as a classification and come up with Aryan Nordid :pound: Alexander was a greek man and looked like it, where the fuck do you see central or western european !?
You are a idiot.

[Hellenas]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpghttp://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/german_zpsef7d6152-1_zpscce9d40f.jpg

Oval faced Mediterranean Alexander the Great vs 3rd reich supposed "Aryan" Nord.

"Another stab to the Nordicist doctrine are the actual sculptures of ancient Greece. When looking at classical sculpture one sees a very Mediterranean people. Straight or curly thick hair, low smooth foreheads, fleshy faces, round chins, a somewhat broad face, a large fleshy straight nose, full lips as well as almond shaped eyes are seen among the beautiful sculptures of the Greeks. These descriptions would never be taken to characterize someone of Germanic decent. Germanic or Nordic men are defined as having sharp angular features; thin straight noses, many ending in an upturned point, high cheek bones, thin lips, high mounded foreheads, fine straight blond hair, and eyes that are more round then almond in shape. Germanic men are seen as having sharp, hard faces, whereas the ancient Greeks have a much rounder, fuller, softer face. When looking at Greek sculpture one would never take its subjects to be Germanic, but instantly recognize them as Greek."

http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/84/hellenic-mediterraneans-non-nordics

[Hithaeglir]

He definitely doesn't look like Brad Pitt :picard2:

[Scipio Africanus]

Desperate nordicists

[Zmey Gorynych]

He definitely doesn't look like Brad Pitt :picard2:
You're kidding me. Dolph Lundgren is his grand-grand-grand ...... grand-son.

[Hithaeglir]

You're kidding me. Dolph Lundgren is his grand-grand-grand ...... grand-son.

Yeah how i could forget this :p

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Features are only worth to be described here, since there's no coloring.

Based on bust looks clearly brachycephalic (in profile) also looking at his long face, nose shape all leads me to conclusion Alexander the Great was more Dinarid than anything else.

[Hellenas]

For his Hair curled naturally, and was yellow;
(Aelian, Varia Historia .Book XII Chap. XIV.)

Bring here original texts, no one ever said that Alexander had "yellow" hair, that's just a bad translation.

[Hellenas]

Looks kinda like brad pit, especially in profile.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/121210/brad-pitt-300.jpg

Brand pitt, too much Cro magnon+ Nordic, nothing in common with Alexander's busts.

[Hellenas]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpg

He belongs to this Greek Macedonian type.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/basicwhite_zps9684dc4d.jpg

Basic White(Type A), plate u.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/texts/greekmorphological/

[wvwvw]

Indeed Alexander looks very much like Brad Pitt :tongue

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/troy/07.jpg

[dralos]

This buddy of mine fits the bill perfectly, except he is a giant though 6'7".

taken down.
shqiptar osht ky?

[wvwvw]

this bust of Alexander was unearthed (in Cyprus) a few days ago:

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Kupros.jpg

Bust of Alexander the Great Found in Cyprus
Apr 28, 2014

A second three-aisled basilica was brought to light by archaeologists on the site of Katalymmata ton Plakoton, of the Akrotiri peninsula, in Cyprus.

Excavations by the Cyprus Antiquities Department in the area have been in progress since 2007 when the first basilica was revealed. However, the new basilica is not the only important finding. Archaeologists also found a marble bust of Alexander the Great. It is believed that the two basilicas are part of a monumental ecclesiastical complex which according to Eleni Procopiou, an area officer for the Antiquities Department, is related to St John the Merciful, Patriarch of Alexandria, the patron saint of Limassol.

The first basilica is a burial monument 36 meters in width and 29 meters in length, without the apse protruding to the west. Procopiou stated that the second basilica is also a burial monument 20 meters in width and 47 meters in length. It is estimated that the findings date back to the second decade of the 7th century, between 616-617 A.D.

“This literally helps us understand and re-write the history of the 7th century in Cyprus. We estimate that after its construction, it had a very short life-span of approximately 30 years before it was abandoned and destroyed. This was a very important place and housed the relics of some very important people,” Procopiou stated.

[Vojnik]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpg

He belongs to this Greek Macedonian type.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/basicwhite_zps9684dc4d.jpg

Basic White(Type A), plate u.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/texts/greekmorphological/

But they are nothing alike. :confused:

Here is a Slavic Macedonian with roots from north west Aegean Macedonia (Florina region)
http://qualityafltradingcards.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/IMG_0256_(360x480).jpg
His name is Hellenised from Markov to Marcou.
He looks much more like Alexander the Great then that Greek Macedonian.

[Hellenas]

But they are nothing alike. :confused:

I didn't say they are alike, I said they belong to the same anthropological type.

[Ultra]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpg

He belongs to this Greek Macedonian type.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/basicwhite_zps9684dc4d.jpg

Basic White(Type A), plate u.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/texts/greekmorphological/

I didn't say they are alike, I said they belong to the same anthropological type.
Are you kidding me? The plate looks like someone who came straight out of a Roma Gypsy camp..

[Caismeachd]

Looks nordid cm or a noric cm mix.

[Dombra]

Looks CM with Noric/Dinarid

[Skerdilaid]

shqiptar osht ky?

Po I Drenices.

[mourtsouflos]

Alexander the Great:

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpg

Loudovikos ton Anogion:

http://stigmes.gr/br/images/ludoviko.jpg

:swl

[Skerdilaid]

Why do Albanians think everyone and everything looks Albanian? Norids are just depigmented dinarids, and since this is a hunk of marble and not an actual person you can't tell his pigmentation. :picard2: :picard2:

Calm your panties down! His bust happens to look almost identical to my buddy that I posted.

[Hellenas]

Are you kidding me? The plate looks like someone who came straight out of a Roma Gypsy camp..

And you and your northern people looks like you came straight out from a Hunnish camp.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG/800px-Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-N.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6stwFWZ0tzI/UmU6jVQ3WbI/AAAAAAAD4rw/NyPGJgeOCUA/s1600/1393485_232951076870645_878441072_n.jpg
Gypsies with an albino blond gypsy kid.

He look nothing like gypsies and don't post any brunet white gypsies, as they have south european admixture.

[Vojnik]

Macedonian guy, Nick Malceski has the ancient Macedonian look.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nick+Malceski+AFL+Rd+11+Adelaide+v+Sydney+yOgH2_IF M0zl.jpg

[Faklon]

Looks a bit like this Nikos G. guitarist from another thread(http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?123816-Classify-some-Greek-guitarists&p=2601793#post2601793)
http://www.grosmann.ro/files/cache/5f5374e5bb664cfbd42b83ba2168ccc7.jpg

A lighter version may be this actor Dimitris Lalos.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/aa28ea813188e7a3d2936b3ec7fefcac/tumblr_n13tlvuHLd1rlyi2bo1_1280.jpg

This footballer Stelios Kitsiou from Thessaloniki isn't that different but I think Alexander has a bigger nose and rounder eyes,I think the guitarist is closer than all 3.

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2014/324x324/250040630.jpg


More or less Pontid+Alpo/Dinarid influence.

[Hellenas]

To me Alexander the great looked something like that:

http://www.mad.tv/images/uimg/v4/2008/25/__1213878093.jpg

[Kalimtari]

med or nord

[wvwvw]

Imo, in that bust he looks Irish and of the same racial type as Melonhead (skull height, nose, profile etc)

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Above is predominate Dinarid/Noric individual.

This is a Nordid.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17922&d=1323277161

You must be absolutely blind. Also, I already said why it's impossible he is dinaric or med. Noric is another one related to nordid, though I don't think that is the case either his forehead is way too short....

Alexander looks nothing like this guy.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpghttp://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/german_zpsef7d6152-1_zpscce9d40f.jpg

Oval faced Mediterranean Alexander the Great vs 3rd reich supposed "Aryan" Nord.

"Another stab to the Nordicist doctrine are the actual sculptures of ancient Greece. When looking at classical sculpture one sees a very Mediterranean people. Straight or curly thick hair, low smooth foreheads, fleshy faces, round chins, a somewhat broad face, a large fleshy straight nose, full lips as well as almond shaped eyes are seen among the beautiful sculptures of the Greeks. These descriptions would never be taken to characterize someone of Germanic decent. Germanic or Nordic men are defined as having sharp angular features; thin straight noses, many ending in an upturned point, high cheek bones, thin lips, high mounded foreheads, fine straight blond hair, and eyes that are more round then almond in shape. Germanic men are seen as having sharp, hard faces, whereas the ancient Greeks have a much rounder, fuller, softer face. When looking at Greek sculpture one would never take its subjects to be Germanic, but instantly recognize them as Greek."

http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/84/hellenic-mediterraneans-non-nordics

Alexander had blond hair, tell me another fantasy. We have a contemporary mosaic of him which shows blond hair and skin pale as irony just a couple pages back. Why do you like to lie so much?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

He definitely doesn't look like Brad Pitt :picard2:

Pitt looks almost identical from the side.

[ChocolateFace]

Dinaro-Pontid + SubNordid

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Bring here original texts, no one ever said that Alexander had "yellow" hair, that's just a bad translation.

Right, every mention of anything but dark hair is 'bad translation'. Except if you look in context it's easy to see how full of it you are. And the art of the time depicts him as blond. What a joke.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpg

He belongs to this Greek Macedonian type.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/basicwhite_zps9684dc4d.jpg

Basic White(Type A), plate u.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/texts/greekmorphological/

http://i.imgur.com/6pczZjj.jpg

These profiles could not contrast more. Dude, you are so full of crap :lol:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Features are only worth to be described here, since there's no coloring.

Based on bust looks clearly brachycephalic (in profile) also looking at his long face, nose shape all leads me to conclusion Alexander the Great was more Dinarid than anything else.

He looks surprisingly like some gheg highlanders but he's definitely not brachy or dinaric.

[KrashNick]

I think this Albanian footballer looks very similar with Alexander .

http://koha.net/repository/images/f1_dardan_rexhepi1392208759.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I didn't say they are alike, I said they belong to the same anthropological type.

:lol:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Are you kidding me? The plate looks like someone who came straight out of a Roma Gypsy camp..

I expected mainly silence from the greco-centrists on this. I mean I have pictures of blonde guys who look exactly the same plus thousands of years old blond depictions of him, plus anthropological plates he's an almost exact match for, plus every historic reference says he's blonde. Nope! :lol:

They just don't give a shit about reality they will just make up whatever bullshit they want. Here is why we cannot trust middle eastern history.

[wvwvw]

What about this guy

http://sigouros.yooblog.gr/files/2010/05/player2.jpg

[wvwvw]

http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/006/818/23818600:jpeg_preview_medium.jpg?20110808123710

[Hithaeglir]

Pitt looks almost identical from the side.

are you high on something?

[alb0zfinest]

Why do Albanians think everyone and everything looks Albanian? Norids are just depigmented dinarids, and since this is a hunk of marble and not an actual person you can't tell his pigmentation. :picard2: :picard2:

Not everyone and everything, just 99.9% of things and people :D

No but seriously he does look very Albanian in first pic.

[wvwvw]

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/mak.jpg

[alb0zfinest]

Calm your panties down! His bust happens to look almost identical to my buddy that I posted.

Its that time of the month again :D

[wvwvw]

Not everyone and everything, just 99.9% of things and people :D

No but seriously he does look very Albanian in first pic.

Nothing wrong with looking Albanian, except he looks nothing like Albanian

[dralos]

I think this Albanian footballer looks very similar with Alexander .

http://koha.net/repository/images/f1_dardan_rexhepi1392208759.jpg
looks the most like him actually

[Prisoner Of Ice]

are you high on something?

Go look at hellenas's post if you want to see someone who's high.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Not everyone and everything, just 99.9% of things and people :D

No but seriously he does look very Albanian in first pic.

Balkans looks run all through balkans, so that is not unexpected. People who deny that are in a delusion - many albanian features have some influece all over europe as well, as anyone who knows archaeology at all should know! But it's telling to me that this sort of balkan borreby mix exists the most in gheg highlanders. Mountain people in general preserve more ancient dna than city folk.

[Faklon]

looks the most like him actually

Less receding forehead and less pronounced chin for a start.

[dralos]

Less receding forehead and less pronounced chin for a start.
i didn't say they are identical :p

[wvwvw]

http://www.contra.gr/Soccer/Europe/Euro/article1805876.ece/BINARY/w460/FYSSAS0606.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/25rntjo.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/s0znlg.jpg

[wvwvw]

I think this Albanian footballer looks very similar with Alexander .

http://koha.net/repository/images/f1_dardan_rexhepi1392208759.jpg

He looks Peonian :laugh:

[wvwvw]

More busts of Alexander the great:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kNYD3SIee2Y/Tu9rLkZ2OYI/AAAAAAAAAHw/9bd2Y6CgoOA/s1600/alexander1.jpg

http://theworldofalexanderthegreat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/alexander-the-great-copy.jpg

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/32/46/55/324655e1c1fd23e4ec88a1adcf976411.jpg

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1899/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1899-43032.jpg
Stock Photo - Greek Art: Alexander the Great (356-323 BC), detail. Marble statue from Magnesia

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/images/news_large/news-alexander.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CFJYByQQXCo/SnA5b8jMRaI/AAAAAAAAAXs/Sdx2u1NGuCo/s400/istanbul00032.jpg

[cally]

Nothing wrong with looking Albanian, except he looks nothing like Albanian
He looks nothing like a Greek seriously. This look is the Gheg look. Greeks don't have much Balkan Borreby.

[alb0zfinest]

Nothing wrong with looking Albanian, except he looks nothing like Albanian

Several Albanian people were posted that look quite like him actually. And even despite that I've seen that look among albos quite alot of times.

[alb0zfinest]

Also why are Greeks so sensitive about this topic. I said he looks quite Albanian, I didn't say he was.

[dralos]

Also why are Greeks so sensitive about this topic. I said he looks quite Albanian, I didn't say he was.
he is :D

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Also why are Greeks so sensitive about this topic. I said he looks quite Albanian, I didn't say he was.

Yeah, hint for greeks: alexander the great is not from modern greece, and macedonia is not any more modern greek than albania is.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

He looks surprisingly like some gheg highlanders but he's definitely not brachy or dinaric.

At profile pic looks more brachy than dolio, however I'd agree he might not be exclusively Dinarid but looks more Dinarid compared to other options.

[iNird]

Inb4 every Balkan member states Leka looks like one of their compatriots.
But on the real

#ilooklikeLeka

Ok I'm just kidding

#Lekalookslikeme

[Faklon]

He looks nothing like a Greek seriously. This look is the Gheg look. Greeks don't have much Balkan Borreby.

These are highly internet creations.

[Queen B]

He looks like Sakis.

[Styrian Mujo]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/5dd6201d-2c8c-4f31-9b89-43b3ba6bcf95_zpsfa825fb8.jpghttp://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/german_zpsef7d6152-1_zpscce9d40f.jpg

Oval faced Mediterranean Alexander the Great vs 3rd reich supposed "Aryan" Nord.

"Another stab to the Nordicist doctrine are the actual sculptures of ancient Greece. When looking at classical sculpture one sees a very Mediterranean people. Straight or curly thick hair, low smooth foreheads, fleshy faces, round chins, a somewhat broad face, a large fleshy straight nose, full lips as well as almond shaped eyes are seen among the beautiful sculptures of the Greeks. These descriptions would never be taken to characterize someone of Germanic decent. Germanic or Nordic men are defined as having sharp angular features; thin straight noses, many ending in an upturned point, high cheek bones, thin lips, high mounded foreheads, fine straight blond hair, and eyes that are more round then almond in shape. Germanic men are seen as having sharp, hard faces, whereas the ancient Greeks have a much rounder, fuller, softer face. When looking at Greek sculpture one would never take its subjects to be Germanic, but instantly recognize them as Greek."

http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/84/hellenic-mediterraneans-non-nordics
Sorry but Alexander looks nothing like modern Greeks but he gives of some pseudo-Anglo vibes.

[wvwvw]

Yeah, hint for greeks: alexander the great is not from modern greece, and macedonia is not any more modern greek than albania is.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3mkweCeFdEo/TFzPri9DvLI/AAAAAAAACY0/PmJ00WFS_WA/s1600/2.jpg

http://static.pblogs.gr/f/197591-2463162368_047995f597.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Sorry but Alexander looks nothing like modern Greeks but he gives of some pseudo-Anglo vibes.

Only difference between though two is the guy on right is less robust anyway. They are actually extremely similar.

[Faklon]

At profile pic looks more brachy than dolio, however I'd agree he might not be exclusively Dinarid but looks more Dinarid compared to other options.

This looks more brachy than dolico?

http://i.imgur.com/6pczZjj.jpg

Looks Med/Atlanto-Pontid/Nordic+Alpo-Dinaric(name it Borreby but he still doesn't look it that much) influences.