classify british italian actor

[Yogurthouse]

british, but of italian descent. he is from that skins show.

http://www.scificool.com/images/2011/01/Luke-Pasqualino.jpg

http://static.wetpaint.me/skins/ROOT/photos/freddie_BBC.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sCipiwN0KmM/TVbQlZjMPbI/AAAAAAAAFls/sxGp5mBxg1I/s1600/550w_showbiz_birthdays_luke_pasqualino.jpg

[Korbis]

I always thought this guy had paki or amerindian ancestry...he´s very woggish even for italian/sicilian standards....

[Padre Organtino]

He looks very exotic IMO

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Luke+Pasqualino+Megan+Prescott+Shockwaves+RXur-4EzBX6l.jpg

[GeistFaust]

Yes, he looks very exotic, but I would say he is some sort of Dinarid East-Mediterranid overall, and perhaps with a Gracile-Mediterranid influence.

[Yogurthouse]

what other ethnicities do you think he could pass as?

[Sikeliot]

Indian (mostly Punjabi), Pakistani, Iranian, Gypsy, Afghan.

[Aviane]

Yes, he looks very exotic, but I would say he is some sort of Dinarid East-Mediterranid overall, and perhaps with a Gracile-Mediterranid influence.

I think he does fit the exotic lable very well but he could just as well be a Gracile Med Eastern Mediterranid +Dinarid/Armenoid.

I seen a few Italians(mainly some Sicilians) like this.


Indian (mostly Punjabi), Pakistani, Iranian, Gypsy, Afghan.

He could pass as those picked ethnicites but also could pass as a Kurd, Assyrian, Turkish and Cypriot.

[Padre Organtino]

I think he does fit the exotic lable very well but he could just as well be a Gracile Med Eastern Mediterranid +Dinarid/Armenoid.

I seen a few Italians(mainly some Sicilians) like this.



He could pass as those picked ethnicites but also could pass as a Kurd, Assyrian, Turkish and Cypriot.

I've seen plenty of uber-wogish and exotic Armenians but this guy would not pass as one, IMO.

[Sikeliot]

He basically looks half South Asian, half European.

[King Claus]

His skin tone is too light for a half an asian

[Damião de Góis]

He looks clearly mixed. Immigrants in other countries tend to make up weird identities. I have never seen any Italian from Italy like this:

http://img.poptower.com/pic-44197/luke-pasqualino.jpg?d=600

[Padre Organtino]

He looks clearly mixed. Immigrants in other countries tend to make up weird identities. I have never seen any Italian from Italy like this:

http://img.poptower.com/pic-44197/luke-pasqualino.jpg?d=600

I know an Italian guy who looks close to him in terms of exoticnes but is more in Moorish direction.

[Jack B]

Looks like and Indian/Euro mix

[Sikeliot]

Where in Italy is his family from?

[Yogurthouse]

One parent is from Sicily and the other is from Naples I think. My East Indian friend doesn't think he looks Indian or part Indian. I guess she would know since she's from India.

[Yogurthouse]

Looks like and Indian/Euro mix

Many thought he was, but he has said he is 100 percent Italian. Do you think he is lying? My Indian friend thinks he looks like a darkskinned Southern Euro.

[Damião de Góis]

Many thought he was, but he has said he is 100 percent Italian. Do you think he is lying? My Indian friend thinks he looks like a darkskinned Southern Euro.

Nope, dark skinned southern euros don't look like this

http://escapinguniverse.byethost6.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Luke_Pasqualino.jpg

[Sikeliot]

His Sicilian side might be one of those very rare Arabid looking types.. I mean couldn't he be Yemeni or Saudi as well?

[Yogurthouse]

They say other ethnicities can often pass for Italian because they think they can get away with it. Do you think this is the case with him?

[Sikeliot]

No. But it is true though that Italian is kind of like a catch-all ethnicity with unfortunately in the US a lot of self-hating Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Iranians, etc trying to latch onto them.

I'd bet if he is part anything non-Italian it is Pakistani.

[Damião de Góis]

They say other ethnicities can often pass for Italian because they think they can get away with it. Do you think this is the case with him?

I have no idea, i'm just giving my opinion of what i know of italians (from Italy). Maybe italian forum members would be more useful than me about him.

[Sikeliot]

Well I can say that I have never seen an Italian look like him.. at the darkest and most exotic they can get it's a Syrian type of look but never NordIndid type like this guy.

[Yogurthouse]

I bet he will get many roles playing other ethnicities in Hollyweird. It is similar how Taylor lautner played a full Native American in Twilight series which is funny. Lautner got away with it because the general public is so ignorant about Native Americans. Wouldn't surprise me if they cast this guy as a Native American which would be hilarious.

[Sikeliot]

If you look at an Indian of this type and dilute the look with European, you get the guy posted in this thread.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjEyNjIxNTEzOF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTM1NzYwNw@@._ V1._SX640_SY425_.jpg

[Yogurthouse]

If you look at an Indian of this type and dilute the look with European, you get the guy posted in this thread.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjEyNjIxNTEzOF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTM1NzYwNw@@._ V1._SX640_SY425_.jpg

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[Prince Carlo]

Never seen an Italian like him. The guy is clearly a Paki - Indian.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5286/lukepasqualino.jpg

[Aviane]

I've seen plenty of uber-wogish and exotic Armenians but this guy would not pass as one, IMO.

I've seen some very few uber-wogish and exotic Italians who are similar to him but they are obiviously rare.

I didn't mention about him passing for a Armenian by the way.

But I will take your word for it still.

[Aivap]

british, but of italian descent. he is from that skins show.




http://img.poptower.com/pic-44197/luke-pasqualino.jpg?d=600

what the fuck is this person? Do you Americans really think that this Sri lankan looking person can be Italian or can be considered a person with an Italian look or Italian-mediterranean skin tone?

[Aivap]

Never seen an Italian like him. The guy is clearly a Paki - Indian.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5286/lukepasqualino.jpg

It's a kind of mixture between a Bollywood star and some Bolivians.

[Yogurthouse]

http://img.poptower.com/pic-44197/luke-pasqualino.jpg?d=600

what the fuck is this person? Do you Americans really think that this Sri lankan looking person can be Italian or can be considered a person with an Italian look or Italian-mediterranean skin tone?

In the States he would not be seen as the standard of an Italian. Hollyweird will cast him in non white roles.

[Yogurthouse]

Never seen an Italian like him. The guy is clearly a Paki - Indian.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5286/lukepasqualino.jpg

You think he is lying?

[RottenBeauty]

I doubt he is lying. I have seen a few Italians who are in his range of exotic. Being part Pakistani myself, I do not think he looks Pakistani or Indian for that matter. Next to one, he would look very off. He has always claimed to be Sicilian and Neapolitan (100% Italian).

I would like to see his parents. I am guessing they are exotic themselves, but there are a lot who are exotic who do not have as exotic parents.

[Richard]

Maybe he has some gypsies ancestry.Like Sinti people.

[Yogurthouse]

I don't think he is lying about his ancestry. There are people out there who do, but I seriously doubt he is pretending to be Italian.

It's not the 1940s anymore and it's cool to be mixed raced now. If he was mixed raced I don't think he would say he was fully Italian.

[Aivap]

I doubt he is lying. I have seen a few Italians who are in his range of exotic. Being part Pakistani myself, I do not think he looks Pakistani or Indian for that matter. Next to one, he would look very off. He has always claimed to be Sicilian and Neapolitan (100% Italian).

I would like to see his parents. I am guessing they are exotic themselves, but there are a lot who are exotic who do not have as exotic parents.


My dear pakistani-black-irish girl, that man don't look Italian. STOP.
I hope you are only trolling.
Even the most exotic southern Sicilian can't have that look. In Italy he could be confused for an illegal immigrant, his look is totally alien for Italian standards.

Look and learn
These are Italians (from north-center-south and islands)

http://ufficiostampa.comune.figline.it/templates/ufficiostampa.comune.figline.it/img_virtual_cm/2/cm_obj_47532.jpg

http://news.liberoreporter.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/La-nazionale-italiana-di-deltaplano-campione-del-mondo-2011-Fonte-Ufficio-Stampa-FIVL.jpg

http://www.skiroll.org/2002/cdm2002/27082002/nazionale-italiana.jpg

http://www.pesistica.org/public/file_manager/archivio/fipcf/attivit%C3%A0%20agonistica/pesisitica/attivit%C3%A0%20internazionale/2007/campionati%20europei%20under17/photogallery/grandi/nazionale%20italiana.jpg


we are tired of Pakistanis and arabs who pretend to be Italians!

[Sikeliot]

I've seen clearly black/Amerindian admixed Puerto Ricans claiming to be Italian too.. at least Indians and Pakistanis are Caucasoids!!

[Hess]

IMO, he can pass as an Exotic South Italian. he is far from typical but still within range. Sicilians have around 45% Non-Euro admix, so people like him shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone :)

[Sikeliot]

IMO, he can pass as an Exotic South Italian. he is far from typical but still within range. Sicilians have around 45% Non-Euro admix, so people like him shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone :)

But their 45% non-European is some combination of Anatolian, Levantine, and possibly Mesopotamian (think y-dna J) .. not anything that looks South Asian.

[Aivap]

IMO, he can pass as an Exotic South Italian. he is far from typical but still within range. Sicilians have around 45% Non-Euro admix, so people like him shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone :)

I'd like to know why you post comments in every threads on Italians or fake Italians claiming to know how is the look of people here. That man doesn't look Italian at all, there's nothing to add.
Probably he has some similarities with you, I remember your asian look.

[Nairi]

we are tired of Pakistanis and arabs who pretend to be Italians!

Looks light Pakistani to me too...

[Sikeliot]

An exotic southern Italian or Sicilian looks more like this.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6816234721_36a3fe343f_m.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6816233411_debf9b7c86_m.jpg

[Hess]

But their 45% non-European is some combination of Anatolian, Levantine, and possibly Mesopotamian (think y-dna J) .. not anything that looks South Asian.

true, but human variation can produce some very unique combinations. This is why I think he's quite exotic but still within range.

[Aivap]

An exotic southern Italian or Sicilian looks more like this.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6816234721_36a3fe343f_m.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6816233411_debf9b7c86_m.jpg

the man looks turkish and the woman I don't know(east med?), but they don't look like that actor.
He's half British, so it's possible that he has some Indian, Bengalese or Pakistani descend.
But In Italy I' ve never seen in my life a person with that face.

[Nairi]

true, but human variation can produce some very unique combinations. This is why I think he's quite exotic but still within range.

I think for an Italian to have that kind of looks he should be mixed with Pakistanis...

[Sikeliot]

the man looks turkish and the woman I don't know, but they don't look like that actor.

That's my point. I am saying (to those saying he may be just on the exotic end of the spectrum) that his look is genetically impossible to exist in Italy, and exotic looks you see will be closer to an Assyrian or a Lebanese than to how he looks.

[Hess]

I'd like to know why you post comments in every threads on Italians or fake Italians claiming to know how is the look of people here. That man doesn't look Italian at all, there's nothing to add.
Probably he has some similarities with you, I remember your asian look.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/7/73/JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg/618px-JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg

There is no similarity between him and I at all, just because you disagree with my opinion doesn't mean you should take cheap potshots at me ;)

and you don't have final authority over Italian phenotypes, mate. My opinion is that he can pass as on the more exotic spectrum, and quite a few people here agree with me.

[Aivap]

Wikipedia says that he's half Neapolitan and half Sicilian. Many Sicilians and Neapolitans have an exotic look, they can be confused for arabs, but this man doesn't look Arab.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Luke+Pasqualino+FHM+100+Sexiest+Women+World+A6YsEw TqFcwl.jpg

[Sikeliot]

My opinion is that he can pass as on the more exotic spectrum, and quite a few people here agree with me.

What would explain his look? If he's Sicilian and Neapolitan he probably has some combination of Italic, Greek, Phoenician, possibly North African, ancient Neolithic (which could be Anatolian, Caucasus, Mesopotamian derived).

[Nairi]

My dear pakistani-black-irish girl, that man don't look Italian. STOP.
I hope you are only trolling.


If you check all her posts you will see the pattern.She is looking for extreme cases (mixed ones) to claim they are typical for the nation. That way she brings them all closer to her Pakistani nation :wink

[Aivap]

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/7/73/JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg/618px-JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg

There is no similarity between him and I at all, just because you disagree with my opinion doesn't mean you should take cheap potshots at me ;)

and you don't have final authority over Italian phenotypes, mate. My opinion is that he can pass as on the more exotic spectrum, and quite a few people here agree with me.

I surely know better than you how look people in the country were I was born, and if you read my posts I' ve never defended Sicilians or southern Italians, so I' m honest with my statements. This man doesn't fit in Italy.
Why do you insist? You live in the US, probably you have never seen an Italian from Italy. You can't claim to know better than me the phenotypes of Italians.


And I don't care if some yankees agree with you!

[Hess]

I surely know better than you how look people in the country were I was born, and if you read my posts I' ve never defended Sicilians or southern Italians, so I' m honest with my statements. This man doesn't fit in Italy.
Why do you insist? You live in the US, probably you have never seen an Italian from Italy. You can't claim to know better than me the phenotypes of Italians.

what you're doing is a classic argument from authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority)

Just because you are (or claim to be) Italian doesn't automatically make your opinion more valid than my own. I have been to Italy and I saw many Italians while living in Europe.

[Sikeliot]

If he didn't have the brown skin color of a South Asian or Afghan in this pic he looks like a Greek guy I know, facially anyway.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Luke+Pasqualino+FHM+100+Sexiest+Women+World+A6YsEw TqFcwl.jpg

[StonyArabia]

His Sicilian side might be one of those very rare Arabid looking types.. I mean couldn't he be Yemeni or Saudi as well?

Yeah he looks Iraqish, whom are not much different from Arabians. Their is slight Arabids in Sicily and Malta believe it or not.

[Dr. van Winkle]

Well, the phenotypic difference between Arabids and Pakistanis isn't that significant at all, the two races have many facial features in common. Arabids/Orientalids are influenced by the Indid race, Nordindids are influenced by the Orientalid race. There is obviously some overlap that can't be denied.

Take these exotic Sicilians for example:

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/3734/abdulsparents2gp.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3264/grandparnets2kj.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4960/moaun9fh.jpg

Exotic half-Sicilian half-Anglo-Irish mix:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9964/untitled22rz.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

[Aivap]

what you're doing is a classic argument from authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority)

Just because you are (or claim to be) Italian doesn't automatically make your opinion more valid than my own. I have been to Italy and I saw many Italians while living in Europe.


yes....Probably you have been to Little Italy NY -.-

http://m.popstar.com/Gallery/Celebrity/L/Luke+Pasqualino/Photos/00000019-5670.jpg

http://www.tuttouomini.it/thumbs/phpThumb.php?src=/images/lp11.jpg&w=250&h=250&zc=1

http://pics.livejournal.com/lvf_mf/pic/000405gc


In some photos looks even amerindian.

Clearly not Italian. I'd like to know how look the parents.

[Sikeliot]

These look Egyptian, Saudi, Yemeni or something of the like

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/3734/abdulsparents2gp.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

[Aivap]

Well, the phenotypic difference between Arabids and Pakistanis isn't that significant at all, the two races have many facial features in common. Arabids/Orientalids are influenced by the Indid race, Nordindids are influenced by the Orientalid race. There is obviously some overlap that can't be denied.

Take these exotic Sicilians for example:

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/3734/abdulsparents2gp.jpg

Exotic half-Sicilian half-Anglo-Irish mix:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9964/untitled22rz.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg


I' ve been to Sicily twice, I don't know very well that island. but if these people are really Sicilians, Sicily can't be considered part of Europe!

[Aivap]

Yeah he looks Iraqish, whom are not much different from Arabians. Their is slight Arabids in Sicily and Malta believe it or not.

lol


look

Sicilians:
http://www.provincia.palermo.it/provpa//provpalermo/allegati/5212/meli_oggi.jpg


Iraqis:
http://www.state.gov/cms_images/030408_happy.jpg




Sicilians:
http://photos.state.gov/galleries/naples/164264/StudentLoan/20091127_N_StudentLoan_02_500x375.jpg




Iraqis:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Iraqi_voters_inked_fingers.jpg




Sicilians:
http://www.matematicasenzafrontiere.it/immagini2/prem10/campobasso/III%20C%20Liceo%20Scientifico%20Cannizzaro%20di%20 Palermo.jpg



Iraqis:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/2940274534_9fd73a869c.jpg




What I mean? Many sicilians can be confused for Lebanese, Jewish, Syrians and other east mediterraneans, not with Iraqis, who have a totally different look.

[Sikeliot]

I remember seeing someone's results from Doug McDonald who was Sicilian/Calabrese mixture and it had him as half Spanish, half Druze.

[Hess]

These look Egyptian, Saudi, Yemeni or something of the like

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/3734/abdulsparents2gp.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

I've always wondered why Hitler considered Slavs to be sub humans and yet had no problems allying with a country that has people like this :embarrassed

[Sikeliot]

Personally I find it difficult to fathom that the combination of English and Sicilian can produce someone who looks like they are from Kuwait or Yemen, but that's just me.

[Yogurthouse]

Personally I find it difficult to fathom that the combination of English and Sicilian can produce someone who looks like they are from Kuwait or Yemen, but that's just me.

he is not english and sicilian. Both his parents are Italians...

[Sikeliot]

he is not english and sicilian. Both his parents are Italians...



I'm talking about someone posted on another page.

[Aivap]

I've always wondered why Hitler considered Slavs to be sub humans and yet had no problems allying with a country that has people like this :embarrassed



I'd like to know where that german has taken those pictures, It's unbelievable that a British-Sicilian mix can produce these persons

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9964/untitled22rz.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

first one has some subsaharian in his look, the other one can be north east African or probably he's a yemenite.

And you clearly lie when say that you have been to Italy, nobody who visit Italy can have doubts about the ethnicity of these persons, they are not Italians.

[Sikeliot]

^ Those are the same person.

[Hess]

I'd like to know where that german has taken those pictures, It's unbelievable that a British-Sicilian mix can produce these persons

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9964/untitled22rz.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

first one has some subsaharian in his look, the other one can be north east African.

And you clearly lie when say that you have been to Italy, nobody who has been in Italy can have doubts about those persons, they are not Italians.

I've visited Sicily for a week back when I was a kid :rolleyes2:

Every country has its strange and exotic people, there's nothing wrong with that and it's nothing to be ashamed of. The person above is very exotic, but still (barely) in range.

[Yogurthouse]

I tried to find pictures of his family. I could not find any.

[Aivap]

I've visited Sicily for a week back when I was a kid :rolleyes2:

Every country has its strange and exotic people, there's nothing wrong with that and it's nothing to be ashamed of. The person above is very exotic, but still (barely) in range.

I've not said that there is anything wrong in exotic people. But that person can't be Italian. He has a totally foreign look. He could have italian passport, but he doesn't look Italian and Sicilian.
Also searching in the web photos of Sicilians I can't find a single picture of a person with this face
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

And he should be half sicilian and half british-irish. How can be possible???

[Sikeliot]

Here is my old thread about Sicily.. you won't find anyone like that guy above.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23849

[Dr. van Winkle]

Personally I find it difficult to fathom that the combination of English and Sicilian can produce someone who looks like they are from Kuwait or Yemen, but that's just me.

It's theoretically possible. Subsaharan African genes like curly hair, prognathism and dark pigmentation are dominant over Caucasoid genes, which tend to be recessive. So that might explain why this Sicilian-American I posted looks so swarthy.


Skin color in human beings is controlled by a polygenic inheritance method. C.B Davenport in 1913 discovered that skin color in human beings is controlled by three genes. So even Micheal Jackson has all the genes dominant(which simply means he is dark in complexion) and marries a white or fair colored women there is at least 1 in 64 chances of his children being fair.

We have seen real examples of dark brown or medium brown male with white or white Asian female and in these few situations- every single child came out with same skin color as father. The opposite has been true in those situations where it is white male with dark brown or medium brown female. Each child had a lighter skin tone and closer to the father.

Dark eyes, hair are usually dominant genes. For African Americans, each African carries two dominant genes for afro, larger skull, extended jawline- so in situation of Michael Jackson there are new gene therapies (very expensive but yes, the technology does exist today) to literally remove these gene traits. I have seen though White male and African female mix: the daughter had afro, extended jaw line but with white skin and yellow hair! There is definitely something to the male side when it comes to skin color.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Your_lover_has_fair_skin_you_have_dark_skin_what_c olor_skin_is_your_child_likely_to_have


for as far as I know you have a 50/50 chance to inherit the DNA code of your father or the DNA code of your mother per DNA element. Since more as 99% of the DNA between humans is similar this is always the same. However I don't know to how far 23andme scans your DNA.

Anyway per string or basepair they study, they can see if you inherited it from your father or from your mother (the 50/50 chance). So in the end it is possible that your DNA make-up resembles a little bit more that of your father or that of your mother.

F.i. think of heads/tail with coin flipping, every time you flip the coin you have 50/50 chance for either heads or tail. But after a 10.000 flips it might very well be that you had heads 5031 times.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9583

These uber-exotic Sicilian guys remind me a bit of this South African mulatto, although this man was mixed with the Khoisanid race, not the Negrid:

http://www.velesova-sloboda.org/album/pictures/fischer-bastards/fullsize/024.jpg

[Hess]

he reminds of one of the guys in the last row
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4294568190_2cc24ef182.jpg

[Sikeliot]

It's theoretically possible. Subsaharan African genes like curly hair, prognathism and dark pigmentation are dominant over Caucasoid genes, which tend to be recessive. So that might explain why this Sicilian-American I posted looks so swarthy.



http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Your_lover_has_fair_skin_you_have_dark_skin_what_c olor_skin_is_your_child_likely_to_have


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9583

These uber-exotic Sicilian guys remind me a bit of this South African mulatto, although this man was mixed with the Khoisanid race, not the Negrid:

http://www.velesova-sloboda.org/album/pictures/fischer-bastards/fullsize/024.jpg


But Sicilians don't have Sub-Saharan ancestry in large enough (or recent enough) quantities to make that look appear.

[Prince Carlo]

His facial feautures are doubtlessly south Asian. If I saw him here, I would mistaken him for a gypsy.


So that might explain why this Sicilian-American I posted looks so swarthy.

Hahaha. So that guy is a "sicilian-american". That explains all.


he reminds of one of the guys in the last row


You are obviously trolling. The facial feautures are completely different.

[Richard]

I've always wondered why Hitler considered Slavs to be sub humans and yet had no problems allying with a country that has people like this :embarrassed
Cause he ripped off fascism that was invented here in the peninsula.:D
I told ya,gypsy ancestry.

[Hess]

You are obviously trolling. The facial feautures are completely different.

no. Both have noticeable African strains.

[Dr. van Winkle]

What about Mussolini? Nordicists wouldn't even consider him white if they saw his pic without knowing that it's Mussolini.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9599/benitomussolinimugshot1.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3485/mussolinil.jpg

Renzo Bossi, Italian politician and son of Umberto Bossi, chairman of the North Italian anti-immigration party ("Lega Nord"):

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7062/renzobossi200x300.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1581/renzobossiumbertobossi.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2470/sy5dnq.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1049/renzobossi2a.jpg

Ironic, isn't it? If going by Hess' argumentation, he is a sub-human Negro bastard and according to Aivap/Joseph Capelli he doesn't even exist, because all Italians are pure and unmixed Nordics and Cromagno-Alpines (more the latter...).

[Richard]

:bored0:

[Dr. van Winkle]

:bored0:

Do your posts always consist of smilies without text or one-liners? It makes you look like a Neanderthal.

[Aivap]

What about Mussolini? Nordicists wouldn't even consider him white if they saw his pic without knowing that it's Mussolini.


Ironic, isn't it? If going by Hess' argumentation, he is a sub-human Negro bastard and according to Aivap/Joseph Capelli he doesn't even exist, because all Italians are pure and unmixed Nordics and Cromagno-Alpines (more the latter...).

wtf are you talking about? are you a troll?

Please give us the source of the picture of that person compared to the camel, or definitely shut up with your ridiculous rants.

[Dr. van Winkle]

wtf are you talking about? are you a troll?

Look, I'm just reacting to wannabe-Nordicists like you who are trying to portray Italy as a racially homogeneous country, disregarding the darker types found there, most of all in Sicily and southern Italy. Sicilians differ in characteristics and they have a big variation of phenotypes.


Please give us the source of the picture of that person compared to the camel

http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=raceclass&action=display&thread=2650

http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=physanth&thread=7623&page=4

Abdul was one of the first Internet celebrities in the racialist scene, still before the era of Inquiring Mind.

Opinions about him:


I've seen some Sicilians that look like Abdul but rarely.

What's the matter with Abdul? ... I don't doubt his Sicilian origin.

I know a person from Southern Italy which has a similar appearance.

He is Sicilian/ S Italian, areas very exposed to southern and eastern influences and in which Arabs had a strong cultural presence in the Middle Ages, and where many 'Saracens' probably converted to Christianity.

Abdul is indeed a very unusual looking guy, I wouldn't be able to pinpoint where his from if I didnt know his Sicilian.

He is definitely some type of very unusual mix of different Caucasian features with medium dark skin. But he also appears to have some black features as well in the mix.

I would have NEVER guessed him as Italian however. I think he would even appear a little out place in most places in the middle east. In Lebanon where I am from he would definitely stick out, but I would believe him if he said he was Lebanese since you sometimes do get extreme looks in Lebanon.

Now I do believe that he is some type of extremely unusual looking Sicilian, but what I want to know about Abdul is why he obsessively post pictures of himself on the Internet for people to classify?. Is he insecure about his identity and wants to be affirmed as being a white European?

As for Abdul being white, I vote NO. Caucasian yes, but not white. In Australia where I am living in now definitely wouldn’t consider him a white.

[Damião de Góis]

http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=raceclass&action=display&thread=2650

http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=physanth&thread=7623&page=4

Abdul was one of the first Internet celebrities in the racialist scene, still before the era of Inquiring Mind.


Where in Italy was he from? Or was he "italo-american" ?

[Prince Carlo]

I fail to see how this should prove that Italians can look like South Asians.

[Sikeliot]

It can't because they don't.

[Aivap]

Look, I'm just reacting to wannabe-Nordicists like you who are trying to portray Italy as a racially homogeneous country, disregarding the darker types found there, most of all in Sicily and southern Italy. Sicilians differ in characteristics and they have a big variation of phenotypes.



http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=raceclass&action=display&thread=2650

http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=physanth&thread=7623&page=4

Abdul was one of the first Internet celebrities in the racialist scene, still before the era of Inquiring Mind.


Are you retarded? Or are you making fun of me?


I can't believe that a person can think that a guy who is named Abdul could be Italian.
And anyway those links prove nothing, they are only threads of Anthropological forums where Arabs try to pass for Italians people who clearly look unmixed africans.

[Sikeliot]

He was probably Yemeni or Saudi and ashamed of it.

[Dr. van Winkle]

I can't believe that a person can think that a guy who is named Abdul could be Italian.
It's obviously not his real name, but a nick name he uses because of his odd appearance. :rolleyes:


Where in Italy was he from? Or was he "italo-american" ?

His father is of Sicilian origin, his mother of Anglo-Saxon and South Italian (Campania) ancestry, according to himself.

[Aivap]

He was probably Yemeni or Saudi and ashamed of it.

Yes, he fits better in Southern Arabian peninsula than in Africa.

[Aivap]

It's obviously not his real name, but a nick name he uses because of his odd appearance. :rolleyes:



His father is of Sicilian origin, his mother of Anglo-Saxon and South Italian (Campania) ancestry, according to himself.

lol

[Damião de Góis]

His father is of Sicilian origin, his mother of Anglo-Saxon and South Italian (Campania) ancestry, according to himself.

I think you can't use this person as an example of someone from Italy then. He's an american mutt, no wonder he doesn't look italian.

[Dr. van Winkle]

lol

Troll, do you even live in Italy or are you an immigrant born and living in a different EU country (like Germany for example)?

[Aivap]

Troll, do you even live in Italy or are you an immigrant born and living in a different EU country (like Germany for example)?

2 lol

[Dr. van Winkle]

Aivap
Ethnicity: Idiot
Fixed.

[Richard]

I have nothin against this Abdul guy but he doesn't look Italian and he's not Italian so why are we wastin time on him?

[Aivap]

Fixed.

:coffee:

[RottenBeauty]

What does "Abdul" have to do with Luke Pasqualino?

I would be skeptical of a man named Abdul saying he's Italian, too.

[Sikeliot]

If his name really is Abdul he is probably not European at all.

[RagnarLodbrok666]

If he's Italian he'd have to be less than half and more so gypsy/roma.

[RottenBeauty]

If his name really is Abdul he is probably not European at all.

They are talking about some man named "Abdul" who says he is Italian and looks more exotic than Luke Pasqualino, the actor the original poster posted.

Anyway, I would like to see Luke's parents. They are supposed to be Sicilian and Neapolitan (sp?).

[Dr. van Winkle]

Lol, it's 100% sure his real name is not Abdul.

He even got kicked out of his parents home because someone found out his address and notified his parents that he posted a picture of him being naked in the Internet.

Some African-American guy found out his real name and it wasn't Abdul, but an Italian name.

I would classify Abdul as an Arabid/Paleo-Sardinian mix.

[Sikeliot]

Minor Aethiopid too. Which makes me think he is not only English/Italian.

[Yogurthouse]

http://tinypic.com/r/23limgg/5

aunt on the left

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2czzgw3&s=5
father

his father name is pep pasqualino and owns hair salons

[Dr. van Winkle]

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2czzgw3&s=5
father

Rather typical Italian man.

[RottenBeauty]

I wonder what his mother looks like.

[King Fingolfin]

This guy is not an ethic Italian. He looks like a gipsy. His father isn't a typical Italian. People who make these statements have never been in Italy.

[Aivap]

Lol, it's 100% sure his real name is not Abdul.

He even got kicked out of his parents home because someone found out his address and notified his parents that he posted a picture of him being naked in the Internet.

Some African-American guy found out his real name and it wasn't Abdul, but an Italian name.

I would classify Abdul as an Arabid/Paleo-Sardinian mix.

It's official. You're a troll.
Paleo Sardinians are strong cromagnoid types, and they don't have anything west asian admixture.

These are paleo Sardinians
http://images.virgilio.it/sg/cinema-tv2009/upload/pam/0000/pamela_prati.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4640304891_47ef089b2c.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/SPORT/football/05/11/football.west.zola.sack/zola.t1larg.jpg

[Aviane]

I've visited Sicily for a week back when I was a kid :rolleyes2:

Every country has its strange and exotic people, there's nothing wrong with that and it's nothing to be ashamed of. The person above is very exotic, but still (barely) in range.

Exactly exotic people are found in anyplace.

It shouldn't be completely suprising to found it in Sicily.


no. Both have noticeable African strains.

Very much indeed.


It's obviously not his real name, but a nick name he uses because of his odd appearance. :rolleyes:



His father is of Sicilian origin, his mother of Anglo-Saxon and South Italian (Campania) ancestry, according to himself.

Exactly.

Abdul/Tony Morello has been around the forums off/on for a long time.

But yes he has said to be a American of Sicilian, South Italian and Saxon.

He just has a odd look that's all.


Troll, do you even live in Italy or are you an immigrant born and living in a different EU country (like Germany for example)?

He probably is becuase he hates the fact that a Sicilian like Abdul is too weird for Sicily.


Lol, it's 100% sure his real name is not Abdul.

He even got kicked out of his parents home because someone found out his address and notified his parents that he posted a picture of him being naked in the Internet.

Some African-American guy found out his real name and it wasn't Abdul, but an Italian name.

I would classify Abdul as an Arabid/Paleo-Sardinian mix.

Afterall this is what is behind Abdul/Tony Morello's absence on the internet.

So he is still Italian by the way, no matter what.

Or better a Arabid/Berberid mix.


Rather typical Italian man.

Indeed. :thumb001:

[Aivap]

He probably is becuase he hates the fact that a Sicilian like Abdul is too weird for Sicily.






mmmm, now you, perfect unknown person from Quebec, claim to know what are my thoughts? :coffee:

I don't care a fuck of Sicilians, since I' m a Lombardian, but this freak with ugly Yemenite-subsaharian look can't be Sicilian-British.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg


So shut up clown!

[Aviane]

mmmm, now you, perfect unknown person from Quebec, claim to know what are my thoughts? :coffee:

I don't care a fuck of Sicilians, since I' m a Lombardian, but this freak with ugly Yemenite-subsaharian look can't be Sicilian-British.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg


So shut up clown!

No I'm not from Quebec but for England actually.

Calm down, all some people said was that he is just exotic and werid but is still in the range of Sicilians.

He could be Maltese too.

So accept what is say and you will have a happy life.

[Aivap]

No I'm not from Quebec but for England actually.

Calm down, all some people said was that he is just exotic and werid but is still in the range of Sicilians.

He could be Maltese too.

So accept what is say and you will have a happy life.

So you are trolling, Americans are generally enormously ignorant and have a distorted view of Italians, but a British can't say that a person with that look could be an ethnic Italian-British!
He doesn't look Maltese, he's even exotic for Northern Africa.

And until now nobody have proved he's really European. If Abdul is a sort of stage name, give me his real name, please!

[Aviane]

So you are trolling, Americans are generally enormously ignorant and have a distorted view of Italians, but a British can't say that a person with that look could be an ethnic Italian-British!
He doesn't look Maltese, he's even exotic for Northern Africa.

And until now nobody have proved he's really European. If Abdul is a sort of stage name, give me his real name, please!

Stop being so paranoid as if anyone with a opposite view suddenly is a troll.

Yes Americans can be ignorant about ethnicites.

For a British person now matter if he's Italian or Sicilian are actually both wogs to him.

The Brit wouldn't give Abdul a second look I'm afraid.

Exotic for North Africa, I don't think so he could actually pass for Egyptian or Tunisian.

Not sure about his real name though but it was said to be Italian of some sort.

[Prince Carlo]

Afro-americans trying to pass themselves as Italians, people classifying South Asians as typical Italians...

This is the funniest thread I've ever seen. :icon_lol:

[Aivap]

Afro-americans trying to pass themselves as Italians, people classifying South Asians as typical Italians...

This is the funniest thread I've ever seen. :icon_lol:

In the USA I' ve been in a Pizzeria owned by Pakis that pretend to be Italians. Pity that they can't speak a single word of Italian.
Asians and Northern Africans are obsessed with Italy.

[Aivap]

Stop being so paranoid as if anyone with a opposite view suddenly is a troll.



Does a person who explain the truth a paranoid?
If I' m a paranoid, you and that fake German poster (surely an african or asian with inferior complex) are two liars. I can't imagine that you are so much ingenuous to trust every words you read on forums.
Till now we know only that a person with a Yemenite look called Abdul used to say to be Italian-British on an anthropological forum. Nothing else.

[Dr. van Winkle]

Paleo Sardinians are strong cromagnoid types... These are paleo Sardinians

You forgot to post Biasutti's main example of the type, which indeed does bear a resemblance to Abdul:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1708/paleosardinian2u.jpg

Abdul himself claimed that he looks like this Sardinian actor, Tiberio Murgia:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5026/protestotiberiomurgia.jpg

:laugh:

... while this man is simply an overgrown Mediterranid, not Paleo-Sardinian at all:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4640304891_47ef089b2c.jpg

Paleo-Sardinians have broad faces, capiche?


His father isn't a typical Italian. People who make these statements have never been in Italy.

1. I didn't claim he was a typical North Italian. Northern Italy is pred. Alpinid.

2. I used to know an Italian forum member ("nockwasright") that looked like him.

Sicilian man:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1140/sicilian2.jpg

3. I have been to Italy several times, visited Rome and other big cities.

[askra]

You forgot to post Biasutti's main example of the type, which indeed does bear a resemblance to Abdul:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1708/paleosardinian2u.jpg

Abdul himself claimed that he looks like this Sardinian actor, Tiberio Murgia:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5026/protestotiberiomurgia.jpg

:laugh:

... while this man is simply an overgrown Mediterranid, not Paleo-Sardinian at all:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4640304891_47ef089b2c.jpg

Paleo-Sardinian have broad faces, capiche?



1. I didn't claim he was a typical North Italian. Northern Italy is pred. Alpinid.

2. I used to know an Italian forum member ("nockwasright") that looked like him.

Sicilian man:

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1140/sicilian2.jpg

3. I have been to Italy several times, visited Rome and other big cities.

good example! tiberio murgia suffered of Thalassemia, a serious form of anemia, called also mediterranean anemia

the first one is a poor shepard photographed in the 1920

[Aviane]

Does a person who explain the truth a paranoid?
If I' m a paranoid, you and that fake German poster (surely an african or asian with inferior complex) are two liars. I can't imagine that you are so much ingenuous to trust every words you read on forums.
Till now we know only that a person with a Yemenite look called Abdul used to say to be Italian-British on an anthropological forum. Nothing else.

Who here has more complexes? That for one isn't moi.

It's funny you excuse both of us as liars but your words in your second sentence sound a bit mixed up, so who is more native to Europe then?.

You need to fix your words a little. ;) :)

[Aivap]

Tiberio Murgia when younger.

http://www.cinemecum.it/newsite/images/stories/M/MONICELLIMARIO/proibito.jpg

he looked like a gracilized med with slight cromagnoid, not like that Yemenite who pretends to be Sicilian-British.

[Peyrol]

I never seen a single guy like him in my region and please stop arguing on the usual "semithness".

[Richard]

Tiberio Murgia has nothin in common with that Abdul guy,bb Frank Columbu is a good example of a Paleo Sardinian and North Italy has a large amount of Dinarids.

[Sikeliot]

This guy looks Cromagnid-Dinarid to me if anything.

http://www.cinemecum.it/newsite/images/stories/M/MONICELLIMARIO/proibito.jpg

[Neanderthal]

East-Med.

[Aivap]

East-Med.

the man in the first page has nothing east med. He looks Indian or amerindian, or what else you prefer, but not east med.

http://img.poptower.com/pic-44197/luke-pasqualino.jpg?d=600

[Dr. van Winkle]

he looked like a gracilized med with slight cromagnoid

Many of his features are not associated with the Gracile Med type, such as his low and fleeing forehead, wide jaw and broad nose. It was not known to me that he suffered from an illness (thanks to askra for pointing that out).

This Sicilian celebrity (pic taken from Clementina's thread on Sicilians) has a narrower face than Tiberio Murgia and voilà, he looks similar to some of Abdul's pics:

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1040/user2675pic204213089701.jpg

[Sikeliot]

This Sicilian celebrity (pic taken from Clementina's thread on Sicilians) has a narrower face than Tiberio Murgia and voilà, he looks similar to some of Abdul's pics:

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1040/user2675pic204213089701.jpg

He looks Jewish. Not like that Abdul guy.

[Aivap]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1040/user2675pic204213089701.jpg


this one is Sicilian, and I' ve seen some people with that look in Italy. He's Dinarid med + east med.



This one doesn't look Sicilian at all.

And I can't imagine that a Sicilian mixed with british could generate a human like him.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg


they don't look alike at all.

[Richard]

They share moustache and hairdo and nothin more.

[Sikeliot]

That Abdul guy cannot POSSIBLY be entirely European.. heck, he's exotic even for Yemen.

[Anthropologique]

I see some Indian / Pakistani admixture there.

[Sikeliot]

I would like to see Abdul be DNA tested.

Exotic Sicilian;

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314916_249198305136929_100001402838310_739012_6310 29459_n.jpg

Exotic wannabe, likely Yemeni/Ethiopian or African American/Italian pretending to be something he's not;

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

See the difference?

[Anthropologique]

Does a person who explain the truth a paranoid?
If I' m a paranoid, you and that fake German poster (surely an african or asian with inferior complex) are two liars. I can't imagine that you are so much ingenuous to trust every words you read on forums.
Till now we know only that a person with a Yemenite look called Abdul used to say to be Italian-British on an anthropological forum. Nothing else.

The guy you responded to is a big-time nuisance. Don't give him any consideration.

[askra]

Exotic wannabe, likely Yemeni/Ethiopian or African American/Italian pretending to be something he's not;

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

See the difference?

he looks like the ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OFOsF92I9zs/TTqCeIhR5zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/7QGCHJzU5mI/s1600/selasi.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Abdul has clear Arabid traits, but with a Sub-Saharan influence which makes him resemble one of those Saudis or Yemenis recently mixed with black.. or an Ethiopian who is more Semitic than average.

[Aivap]

he looks like the ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OFOsF92I9zs/TTqCeIhR5zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/7QGCHJzU5mI/s1600/selasi.jpg

I was right when I said that he probably comes from northeast Africa or southern Arabian peninsula. That's the look.
He has a foreing look for mediterranean area.

[Dr. van Winkle]

He looks Jewish. Not like that Abdul guy.

There is no single "Jewish look" and if he reminds you of Sacha Baron Cohen, I must say that his appearance is not the epitome of the Jewishness.

Sacha Baron Cohen's father is Welsh, his mother Persian and Jewish. Very mixed!

There are of course also Ashkenazi Jews of partial Subsaharan African descent, like David Blaine for instance, whose father is half-Puerto Rican:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/230/blainedevil.jpg

David Blaine's type is entirely within the Arabid / Levantine Med range.

Roman Emperor Elagabalus:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6471/elagabalus.jpg


Elagabalus (Latin: Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus; ca. 203 – March 11, 222), also known as Heliogabalus, was Roman Emperor from 218 to 222. A member of the Severan Dynasty, he was Syrian on his mother's side, the son of Julia Soaemias and Sextus Varius Marcellus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus

[Anthropologique]

he looks like the ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OFOsF92I9zs/TTqCeIhR5zI/AAAAAAAAAA8/7QGCHJzU5mI/s1600/selasi.jpg

Is this guy (Abdul?) claiming he's Italian? :confused:

[Dr. van Winkle]

Is this guy (Abdul?) claiming he's Italian? :confused:

Why don't you start a classification thread about mulattoes (there are lots of them in Germany), asking "Do they still look European?"

[AR89]

what you're doing is a classic argument from authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority)

Just because you are (or claim to be) Italian doesn't automatically make your opinion more valid than my own. I have been to Italy and I saw many Italians while living in Europe.


I've visited Sicily for a week back when I was a kid :rolleyes2:

Every country has its strange and exotic people, there's nothing wrong with that and it's nothing to be ashamed of. The person above is very exotic, but still (barely) in range.

This is not exotic, he isn't italian. Post a picture of another italian with its features, but not some american mulatto.

This thread is good too find italian haters, troll and idiots.

[Peyrol]

I would like to see Abdul be DNA tested.

Exotic Sicilian;

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314916_249198305136929_100001402838310_739012_6310 29459_n.jpg


See the difference?


If you click on the picture, you see written "ak-akamaihd", and this isn't a sicilian.

[Sikeliot]

If you click on the picture, you se "ak-akamaihd", and this isn't a sicilian.

All Facebook links say that if I copy/paste them.. follow the link to his page and you'll see he is.

[Peyrol]

All Facebook links say that if I copy/paste them.. follow the link to his page and you'll see he is.

Send me a pm with the profile :)

[Hess]

Post a picture of another italian with its features, but not some american mulatto.

I did. Check my post a few pages back where I posted a Sicilian from Heraus' Anthroeurope blog.

[Sikeliot]

But here is what I don't get.. if the non-European parts of a Sicilian are mostly Levantine and Anatolian and North African elements are minor (>5%), how could someone who looks Ethiopian result from that population?

[Peyrol]

I don't know this colonial and northern euro obsession with "Sicily" and i don't know how all the topics about Italian phenotypes always ends with "Sicily", sincerely.

Sicilia is a island, and sicilian population is less than 5 millions while continental Italy has more than 55 million people and different region/cultures.

[AR89]

I did. Check my post a few pages back where I posted a Sicilian from Heraus' Anthroeurope blog.

That guy with curly hair is not as exotic as this pakistan.

[Sikeliot]

I don't know this colonial and northern euro obsession with "Sicily" and i don't know how all the topics about Italian phenotypes always ends with "Sicily", sincerely.

Sicilia is a island, and sicilian population is less than 5 millions while continental Italy has more than 55 million people and different region/cultures.

Because in this particular instance, the guy in question on the first page has ancestry from there.

[Peyrol]

Because in this particular instance, the guy in question on the first page has ancestry from there.

In my city there are many sicilian immigrants and i never seen a people like him.
If i see this guy on the street, i would mistake him for one of the many moroccan/lybic immigrants in Piedmont.

[Peyrol]

Because in this particular instance, the guy in question on the first page has ancestry from there.

Ok, but all the thread about Italy always ends with "Sicilia", also the topic about northern italians (i posted picture from my region and from Lombardy and Venezia) that have nothing to do with Sicily.

[Richard]

Because in this particular instance, the guy in question on the first page has ancestry from there.

That guy has probably some Gypsy admixture and i think it comes from his mother.He looks South Asian so dna test or bust.He looks exotic so everybody goes "it must be his Sicylian heritage!" but it doesn't work that way.I can breed a guy like him but i have to get me a gypsy woman first.

[Dr. van Winkle]

But here is what I don't get.. if the non-European parts of a Sicilian are mostly Levantine and Anatolian and North African elements are minor (>5%), how could someone who looks Ethiopian result from that population?

Affinity ≠ admixture. You can't expect phenotypes based on genetic affinity alone.

Even in southern and western Germany, enclaves exist where people with Gracile-Mediterranid features can be found, like this German student from the southwest of the country:

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5944/german112.jpg

Source (scroll to the year 2010):
http://www.bayer-stiftungen.de/de/alumni-stipendiaten.aspx

Nowadays more interethnic marriages happen than in the past, so I can't guarantee that this guy isn't half-German or of Jewish descent.

Another German from Stuttgart who doesn't look Jewish:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2157/stuttgart1.jpg

A German from the northern Rhine valley, bordering to the Netherlands:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7263/rhinelandgerman.jpg

Somewhere I have also a pic of a dark and curly-haired German woman from the Rhine valley, with gracile, southern Mediterranid features.

Coon has mentioned the occurrence of North-African-looking Germans in the Rhineland, so all this has a solid fact-based explanation.


The cast included members of the following racial types: a small, low-vaulted Mediterranean of North African provenience, commonest in the upper Rhineland, where it still appears sporadically; the ordinary Danubian Mediterranean, the Megalithic Atlanto-Mediterranean, the Corded, the Borreby, probably the Alpine, and the Bell Beaker Dinaric.

...the Rhine Valley, on a high-road of migration
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII5.htm.

[Peyrol]

^

Well, descents of neolithic migrations aren't "north african semithes" in the common sense of the word.

Also ancient Etrurians were probabily from Turkey, but this don't make them "middle eastern" in the modern meaning of the term (also because this would mean than Rome was founded by middle easterns :laugh:)

[Sikeliot]

Neolithic people who went into Europe would be the equivalent of Anatolian/Caucasus and/or Levantine.

[StonyArabia]

Sicily has the highest Arabian admixture in all of Europe, with the exception of Malta, genetic shows this. As well Arabian specific mtDNA has been found so far in both Sicily and Malta. Sicilians themselvs admit this.

[Padre Organtino]

Those Neolithic farmers/whatever looked more like me and not like this Italian(?) fella.

[Peyrol]

Sicily has the highest Arabian admixture in all of Europe, with the exception of Malta, genetic shows this. As well Arabian specific mtDNA has been found so far in both Sicily and Malta.

Berberid, actually not "arab".

Anyway, greek admisture is more high than berber one (that is less than 5%).

[Sikeliot]

Sicily has the highest Arabian admixture in all of Europe, with the exception of Malta, genetic shows this. As well Arabian specific mtDNA has been found so far in both Sicily and Malta. Sicilians themselvs admit this.

I used to be surprised by this, since Iberia was ruled by North African Muslims for far longer.. but the reason is because Sicily and Malta were ruled/settled by Tunisia and Egypt rather than Morocco (where Arabian genetics are fewer).



Berberid, actually not "arab".

Anyway, greek admisture is more high than berber one (that is less than 5%).

Nope, Arabian. Think the SW Asian component from Dodecad.

[Ebrel]

His father (on the right):
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Ebrel1/d-1.jpg

His sister:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Ebrel1/e-1.jpg

[Peyrol]

Neolithic people who went into Europe would be the equivalent of Anatolian/Caucasus and/or Levantine.

So, Rome (founded by southern etrurian peasants) is of middle eastern foundation.
Good!

[Sikeliot]

His sister:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Ebrel1/e-1.jpg

She could pass as being from SE Europe or the Caucasus.. she doesn't look strange for Europe at all.

[StonyArabia]

Those Neolithic farmers/whatever looked more like me and not like this Italian(?) fella.

Yes, but their is significant Arabian admix, that is frankly linked to the conquest and settlement of Sicily. As well these tribes migrated from Central Arabia women, children the whole shabang settled both Sicily and Malta, with som few Berbers, this would of course change with the Norman conquests. Sicilian SouthWest Asian admix as well Arabian specific mtDNA does not trace to neolthic times but rather to the migration of these tribes into the island.

[Peyrol]

Recommend to all participants of the thread a tavel to Sicily to see the reality with their eyes, and not arguing from (i don't know) Wisconsin having as sources random internet photos or MTV programs.

[Padre Organtino]

So, Rome (founded by southern etrurian peasants) is of middle eastern foundation.
Good!

More like Anatolian:cool:

And that it was later expanded and rebuilt bu Euros

[Hess]

That guy with curly hair is not as exotic as this pakistan.

they are not a perfect match, yes, but they seem to be of the same stock. "Abdul" is just a bit uglier, I think :laugh:

[Sikeliot]

Hell not. About 90% of moors invaders were north african berbers recruited by almohad generals for the invasion.

This was the case for Iberia, but given that Sicilians have Southwest Asian genetics in the double digits and Iberians do not (and Iberians have considerably more Berber), it makes me think the conquest was not from the same place. Besides, this makes sense if you consider Greece has as much West Asian influence but less Southwest Asian.. so it can't be Neolithic.

[Peyrol]

This is sicilian, is semithe?

http://www.blogsicilia.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Anna-Valle_shadowbox.jpg

also this is a moorish woman?

http://www.qnm.it/bellezze/modelle/miriam_leone/miriam_leone_1248896761.jpg

and this?

http://www.siciliatv.org/public/foto/Terrasi_Claudia_Miss_Sicilia.JPG

...and what about her features? Tipical semithe ugly face

http://www.sizilien-rad.de/fotos/miss-sicilia/miss-italia_2011.1.jpg

..and this?
http://www.sizilien-rad.de/fotos/miss-sicilia/miss-sicilia_2011-1.jpg

[StonyArabia]

I used to be surprised by this, since Iberia was ruled by North African Muslims for far longer.. but the reason is because Sicily and Malta were ruled/settled by Tunisia and Egypt rather than Morocco (where Arabian genetics are fewer).

The Arabian tribes just used North Africa as resting place basically a transition, and then they moved into Sicily and Malta, this is seen in Arabian epics, the movement of Central Arabian tribes to the region was because of tribal wars and famines that occured. As well in Spain the Moors were more Berbers with an Arabian elite, this was not true for both of Sicily and Malta which the invasion was rather a tribal one meaning a mass movement. Denying this would b against genetic reality, and frankly the SouthWest Asian or Arabian component is rather from that peroid rather than the neolthic, this could be seen by specific Arabian mtDNA found in Sicily and even some residue to the paternal lineages.

[Sikeliot]

Those particular ones do not. Besides no one ever said all of them look Semitic but a modest percentage might.

This one looks like Elena Paparizou :)

http://www.sizilien-rad.de/fotos/miss-sicilia/miss-sicilia_2011-1.jpghttp://im.in.com/connect/images/profile/sep2009/Elena_Paparizou_300.jpg

[Peyrol]

More like Anatolian:cool:

And that it was later expanded and rebuilt bu Euros

The ethnogenesis of the old roman stock of the ancient city (despite some pseudohistorical nordic theories) was the result of the fusion between villages of the northern bank of river Tiber ("Tevere" in modern italian) inhabited by etrurians and southern bank villages, inhabited by latins. Plus, during the reign of the first kings (all etrurians, like Numa Pompilio, Tullio Stilio, etc) many greek of the colonies settled in the city (and this is the main reason why roman religion was quite identical to the greek one, except for the spirits called mana, that are of etrurian religion heritage)

[Peyrol]

Recommend to all participants of the thread a tavel to Sicily to see the reality with their eyes, and not arguing from (i don't know) Wisconsin having as sources random internet photos or MTV programs.

I quote myself.

[Padre Organtino]

Most South Italos look like a bit swarthier Northern ones. They do have exotic looking guys though - I know one uber-moorish Italian dude. I don't think that's a big deal. I have a couple of exotic relatives/family members myself (exotic for Georgia) and that's certainly not a tragedy for me:D

[Sikeliot]

I never argued that Arabian influence is phenotypically present. I am just saying to say that the Moorish invasion was (like Iberia) carried out by Arabized Berbers is inaccurate and impossible when you look at genetics.

[Peyrol]

I never argued that Arabian influence is phenotypically present. I am just saying to say that the Moorish invasion was (like Iberia) carried out by Arabized Berbers is inaccurate and impossible when you look at genetics.

Well, middle eastern aplogrups were also carried by phoenicians and assiryan mercenaries (that were often used by many sicilian-greek states for the defence).

[Anthropologique]

I used to be surprised by this, since Iberia was ruled by North African Muslims for far longer.. but the reason is because Sicily and Malta were ruled/settled by Tunisia and Egypt rather than Morocco (where Arabian genetics are fewer).




Nope, Arabian. Think the SW Asian component from Dodecad.

In Iberia, North Africans and Arabs were a small ruling class (not settlers, for the most part) that was constantly in flux. A huge percentage of Muslims were "conversos", locals who converted to Islam (or at least claimed to convert). The Middle Eastern and North African influences are pretty minor (and mostly Neolithic) in both Spain and Portugal.

[Sikeliot]

Well, middle eastern aplogrups were also carried by phoenicians and assiryan mercenaries (that were often used by many sicilian-greek states for the defence).

This doesn't work either.. According to one spreadsheet from Dienekes, the SW Asian in Assyrians is 19%, 23% in Lebanese, and 9% in Sicilians. Meaning that for all of it to have arrived via Phoenicians and Assyrians, Sicilians would have to on average be about half Phoenician or Assyrian, which is impossible. Saudis have 71% of this component.

[Sikeliot]

In Iberia, North Africans and Arabs were a small ruling class (not settlers, for the most part) that was constantly in flux. A huge percentage of Muslims were "conversos", locals who converted to Islam (or at least claimed to convert). The Middle Eastern and North African influences are pretty minor (and mostly Neolithic) in both Spain and Portugal.

Also, keep in mind that the highest Berber influences in Iberia are not on a north/south basis but rather east/west.

[Peyrol]

Most South Italos look like a bit swarthier Northern ones. They do have exotic looking guys though - I know one uber-moorish Italian dude. I don't think that's a big deal. I have a couple of exotic relatives/family members myself (exotic for Georgia) and that's certainly not a tragedy for me:D

That's because we were divided for centuries after the fall of the longobard kingdom; even if, for some times, governmental entities called "Kingdom of Italy" have existed, they always be only in northern parts.
Southern part was ruled for centuries by byzantynes, spanish and was always united, with the exception of Sicily during some times, into a single big state that until 1861 was called "Regno di Napoli" or "Regno delle Due Sicilie" (kingdom of Naples or Kingdom fo the Two Sicilies), while northern part was divided between Duchy (after "Kingdom") of Piedmont-Savoy (my region), Republic of Venice, Republic of Genoa, Great Duchy of Tuscany, etc.

Northern italy is the result of the melange between celtic pre roman populations and roman/greek colonist of the Republic and the Empire with a little germanic admisture (Longobards), while southern Italy is mostly of greek (from the ancient greek colonies of "Magna Græcia") and roman/centroitalic pre roman populations descents, with a little germanic (Normannic) and berberid/arabid admistures.

[AR89]

That's because we were divided for centuries after the fall of the longobard kingdom; even if, for some times, governmental entities called "Kingdom of Italy" have existed, they always be only in northern parts.
Southern part was ruled for centuries by byzantynes, spanish and was always united, with the exception of Sicily during some times, into a single big state that until 1861 was called "Regno di Napoli" or "Regno delle Due Sicilie" (kingdom of Naples or Kingdom fo the Two Sicilies), while northern part was divided between Duchy (after "Kingdom") of Piedmont-Savoy (my region), Republic of Venice, Republic of Genoa, Great Duchy of Tuscany, etc.

Northern italy is the result of the melange between celtic pre roman populations and roman/greek colonist of the Republic and the Empire with a little germanic admisture (Longobards), while southern Italy is mostly of greek (from the ancient greek colonies of "Magna Græcia") and roman/centroitalic pre roman populations descents, with a little germanic (Normannic) and berberid/arabid admistures.

South Italy was united with the Norman, before that it wasn't, and Spanish domination came in the 1400-1500. Cultural differences are huge in SI, even if ot as much as in NI.

[Peyrol]

It's sufficient seeing political evolution of Italy from Middel Ages to now for understand the cultural and secular divisions.

900 a.d.

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/900/900.jpg

1000 a.d.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Italia_1000_v2.svg/250px-Italia_1000_v2.svg.png


1500 a.d.
http://www.homolaicus.com/storia/moderna/monarchie_nazionali/images/italia-rinascimento_tn.jpg

1700

http://www.giuseppina.org/nostrolibro/classe5/storia5/lavorodalXVsec/italia1700.jpg

1810

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Italia_1810.jpg/250px-Italia_1810.jpg

1815

http://www.giuntiscuola.it/sesamo/media/italia-1815-jpg-8KLIZISD.jpg?width=300

1859

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/italy/itunif.gif


1861

http://www.giuseppina.org/nostrolibro/classe5/storia5/lavorodalXVsec/italia1861.jpg

1871

http://jadawin4atheia.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cortesc3ac-unitc3a0-ditalia-2.jpg?w=500

1939
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/map/lc/image/ita71120.gif

http://giuseppemerlino.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/11.jpg

Now

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Italian_region.svg/400px-Italian_region.svg.png

[RottenBeauty]

http://img.poptower.com/pic-44193/luke-pasqualino.jpg?d=600

http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Ebrel1/e-1.jpg

His sister looks like a normal Italian girl, especially in comparison to him. She herself is not even exotic.

But his father looks a bit Arab, and he definitely gets his exotic looks from him.

I doubt he is lying about his ethnicity, though. They probably have Arab admixture. Few and far between, yes, but it is possible, and every ethnicity has rare and strange individuals.

Abdul, on the other hand, is clearly not Sicilian-British, but I laughed my heart out at you posting him. He looks to even be part Sub-Saharan!

A lot of Southern Euro + Northern or Central European look like these:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM2NTU2NDI5NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjgzMjA2MQ@@._ V1._SY314_CR10,0,214,314_.jpg

http://upuspost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Britney-Spears1.jpg

http://teencreations.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/85319.jpg

Some can turn out a bit darker or fairer, depending on their parents, but these girls are within normal range for a Southern + Northern and/or Central mix.

These three are a bit different because they are also mixed with Eastern Euro as well as Central, Northern, and Southern, but at least one of their parents is predominantly Southern Euro:

http://access.nscpcdn.com/gallery/i/m/maran/JosieMaran_Grani_3975196.jpg

http://s11.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/1/7/175cykoevhc22ce.jpg

http://portfoliopad.com/images/9153/378476/large/316.jpg

However, I just do not believe a Sicilian and Brit can produce something like this! And I will never believe it.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9994/bbb7rb.jpg

You clearly have lost your mind, but you made me laugh so hard my stomach hurt.

[Sikeliot]

Sicilian-British would look like Britney Spears (whose mother is Maltese and father's side British).

[Dr. van Winkle]

However, I just do not believe a Sicilian and Brit can produce something like this! And I will never believe it.

Google the tags "Abdul" and "Dodona" and you will see pictures of Abdul's family.

www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=&q=abdul+dodona&tbm=isch&source=og

I get an Al Pacino vibe from his Sicilian grandfather:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3264/grandparnets2kj.jpg

[Sikeliot]

His grandfather is perfectly Southern European.. more Southeastern but could even be Portuguese to some extent.. but this is not a Southern European, sorry.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg511/scaled.php?server=511&filename=untitled3copy0oc5ok.jpg&res=medium

[Dr. van Winkle]

but this is not a Southern European, sorry.

Right, he is a European-mixed Arabid South-Europid but no Southern European.

[RottenBeauty]

Right, he is a European-mixed Arabid South-Europid but no Southern European.

You are so crazy it has me dying of laughter.

Abdul is clearly not Southern European!

[Dr. van Winkle]

You are so crazy it has me dying of laughter.

Abdul is clearly not Southern European!

South-Europid = southern Caucasoid racial group. Arabids and Berberids are considered part of it. Furthermore, the terms Europid and Caucasoid are identical in meaning.

[Sikeliot]

Maybe his English side is not ethnic English but mixed with something colonial, like Jamaican or Trinidadian.

[Prince Carlo]

That guy is clearly half negroid at least. Many mulattos look like him.

[Sikeliot]

That guy is clearly half negroid at least. Many mulattos look like him.

I don't know about half, but maybe about 25% East African, 50% Southwest Asian, and 25% European could give you his look.

He could also have both Sicilian and English ancestry in part but not have been acknowledging another side of his ancestry that better explains his look.

[Prince Carlo]

I don't know about half, but maybe about 25% East African,

It's more than that. North Africans are 20/25% negroid and look whiter than this guy.

[King Fingolfin]

Abdul himself claimed that he looks like this Sardinian actor, Tiberio Murgia.
_____

1. I didn't claim he was a typical North Italian. Northern Italy is pred. Alpinid.

2. I used to know an Italian forum member ("nockwasright") that looked like him.

3. I have been to Italy several times, visited Rome and other big cities.

Murgia was a darker (and frankly ugly) kind of Gracile-Mediterranid. His features are uncommon in North-Center Italy and also in many parts of the South. Anyway, nothing to do with the gypsy-like guy of this thread.
The father of the gypsy-like has features uncommon not only in North and Center Italy, but also in the South. The Sicilian man you posted is quite different: he looks like a classic Mediterranean, maybe slight dinaricized.
I live in Center-Italy, never seen people like the guy of this post, except among the infamous gyspies.

P.S. Alpiniod are widespread through all the Italian peninsula. North-Center Italy is mainly Dinarid/Norid-Alpinid with some Mediterranoids (mainly Atlanto-Mediterranids) on the sea-coasts, and people are not very different from many Austrians, Bavarians, French, Swiss. The South is more Alpinid-Mediterranid.

[Peyrol]

3. I have been to Italy several times, visited Rome and other big cities.

I seriously doubt, sincerely.

[Anthropologique]

His grandfather is perfectly Southern European.. more Southeastern but could even be Portuguese to some extent.. but this is not a Southern European, sorry.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg511/scaled.php?server=511&filename=untitled3copy0oc5ok.jpg&res=medium

Nawww, the grandfather doesn't look Portuguese. Not a fully native Portuguese, anyway.

[Padre Organtino]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg511/scaled.php?server=511&filename=untitled3copy0oc5ok.jpg&res=medium

Ok, if this dude is South European then I'm German:D

[Anthropologique]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg511/scaled.php?server=511&filename=untitled3copy0oc5ok.jpg&res=medium

Ok, if this dude is South European then I'm German:D

And I come from the Great Nebula galaxy.:D

[Incal]

Google the tags "Abdul" and "Dodona" and you will see pictures of Abdul's family.

www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=&q=abdul+dodona&tbm=isch&source=og

I get an Al Pacino vibe from his Sicilian grandfather:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3264/grandparnets2kj.jpg

I think Abdul's mom or grandmom (or both) are hiding sumthin:

http://www.rrtraders.com/Crafts/kudu.jpg