"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

[The Lawspeaker]

I wouldn't call indifference or neutrality regarding the Jews as cock sucking, I'am merely stressing that we don't need any more enemies.
No.. we have been sucking their cock over the past 50 years out of a rather misplaced sense of communal guilt. We have been supporting them every step of the way since and in the process have actually become complicit to a pretty one-sided genocide.



The Jewish influence over western politics is an unwelcome interference of course.
Exactly and the same goes for Muslim influence. End of the line. Dot.

[Albion]

What about armed neutrality when it comes to both of them ? Selling weapons to both the Muslims and Jews and growing rich over their corpses ? (basically what the Jews have been doing here over the past 1000 years: lending money to both European parties after they had seduced them to slaughter each other).

The Jews already make a lot of weapons whilst Russia and China would probably sell to the Arabs.
At the least we should leave the dump that is the Middle East to put its own house in order. Whether it causes wars is not any of our concern. None of the non-western countries give a damn about is in the west, it seems the west is the only ones which get involved where they're not welcome.

We should stay neutral as you say and watch as the Middle East goes back to the Middle Ages, the economies go broke after the oil goes dry.
Israel would initially win a lot of the conflicts due to its stockpiles of weapons, eventually the weight of the Arab world would probably wipe out that state though. By then both factions would be severely crippled.

[The Lawspeaker]

The Jews already make a lot of weapons whilst Russia and China would probably sell to the Arabs.
At the least we should leave the dump that is the Middle East to put its own house in order. Whether it causes wars is not any of our concern. None of the non-western countries give a damn about is in the west, it seems the west is the only ones which get involved where they're not welcome.

We should stay neutral as you say and watch as the Middle East goes back to the Middle Ages, the economies go broke after the oil goes dry.
Israel would initially win a lot of the conflicts due to its stockpiles of weapons, eventually the weight of the Arab world would probably wipe out that state though. By then both factions would be severely crippled.
Well but if we can make some money in the process then we definitely should. It's after all taking back the money they have extorted from us over the centuries so I want them bled dry to the extent that there would be no loot to pick up for the surviving Arabs. :thumb001:

And if we can extort some money and oil from the Arabs in the meantime as well: even better. :thumb001: And when they are done slaughtering each other to extinction (or at least all the way back to the year dot) we will move in for a serious scavenge job before the Asians and Africans can.

[Albion]

No.. we have been sucking their cock over the past 50 years out of a rather misplaced sense of communal guilt. We have been supporting them every step of the way since and in the process have actually become complicit to a pretty one-sided genocide.

I know, the irony is that Jews having claimed to have been through the holocaust then go and treat the Palestinians with the same contempt.

I was writing about my own neutrality anyway, Osweo is implying things here that aren't exactly to my liking.


Exactly and the same goes for Muslim influence. End of the line. Dot.

Agreed.

[PetiteParisienne]

A half Jew is a half European. :shrug: Honestly, I don't get what's so hard to grasp about this. :confused:

Thankyou for demonstrating the real DANGER in accepting people like yourself.

Oh NO!!!!!!! We'll lose all the valuable Jews who speak out for our native rights in public life!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Er... where've they been the last few decades, by the way? :confused:

Er... Fuck OFF with your bullshit racial crap. THat's got piss all to do with being European. Fair Europeans are no superior to others. This is a cheap red herring.


Proven time and time again.

Please, drop this utter DRIVEL.

The Ashkenazim are from the Rhineland. They are NOT CHECHENS. :tsk: Christ almighty, I can't believe I have to reiterate that. Just fucking LOOK at some actual Caucasians, and a few genetic plots. :tsk:



:bowlol: I wish I had the energy to dig up photos and so on to prove otherwise.

We don't need your divisive tactics. Islam is going nowhere. It's our neighbour, and we have to coexist on the world stage. If you want confrontation with them, leave us out of it.

And the Jews are our only hope!? :lol: We ARE fucked if that is the case! :D
The onus is on THEM to take a stand and be counted as pro-Europeans.

More bizarre racism. :sherlock: Currying favour with us? Seems rather sordid to me. :ohwell:

Christ's sake, drop it. :tsk: You haven't got a clue about the Caucasus.


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Let's recap. A foreigner is asserting all kinds of controversial claims. Some have resisted the unwelcome intrusion on our particular rights to certain exclusive terms. OTHERS have rushed up to kiss arse. I submit, ladies and gentleman, that the matter has been a superb demonstration of the stupid and suicidal lack of solidarity among Europeans, especially noted in the 'Atlanticist' camp.

People, for fuck's sake, figure out who your OWN are and stick with them.

Part Jews who don't want to go to Israel or Amerika; don't mouth off about being Jewish, don't stir up strife about pointless issues. Keep your head down and be 'European' if you must, without waving Jewishness about, and most of us would be happy to put up with you. You can't have your cake and eat it. The categories of Jew and European are too mutually antagonistic to sit easily together. One must give way to the other.

Have you been to Israel? I have. More than once. Israelis love Europe. I've also been to the West Bank. Palestinian's don't love Europe, but many wish they could escape the PA and be Israeli.

You think I'm dangerous? You're afraid of a girl. Fantastic. No wonder you're so mean-spirited.

[The Lawspeaker]

Have you been to Israel? I have. More than once. Israelis love Europe. I've also been to the West Bank. Palestinian's don't love Europe, but many wish they could escape the PA and be Israeli.
We don't care if Israel loves Europe. The love is not particularly mutual.


You think I'm dangerous? You're afraid of a girl. Fantastic. No wonder you're so mean-spirited.
No. Not of you. But your fellow Jews have been wreaking havoc for the past 1000 years (from wreaking economies, building up monopolies over the backs of Christians, to financing the slave trade (which gave us a bad name) to financing wars (even financing Hitler to even letting in the Muslims during the Golden Age of Jewry in mediaeval Spain) so there are a lot of Europeans that still have no love for the Chosen People eventhough they are being fed stories about what happened to you during WWII.

[PetiteParisienne]

We don't care if Israel loves Europe. The love is not particularly mutual.


No. Not of you. But your fellow Jews have been wreaking havoc for the past 1000 years so there are a lot of Europeans that still have no love for the Chosen People eventhough they are being fed stories about what happened to you during WWII.

In regards to WWII, I think everyone needs to move on: both Jews AND non-Jews.

[The Lawspeaker]

In regards to WWII, I think everyone needs to move on: both Jews AND non-Jews.
First it would be time for a full-scale independent inquiry into what happened.

[PetiteParisienne]

First it would be time for a full-scale independent inquiry into what happened.

That would be good.

[The Lawspeaker]

That would be good.
Many Jews would disagree completely with that view.. ;)

[PetiteParisienne]

Many Jews would disagree completely with that view.. ;)

There's nothing to be lost from seeking information.

[The Lawspeaker]

There's nothing to be lost from seeking information.
Billions of wiedergutmachung and American subsidies and their special position in European and American politics and society. :coffee:

No to mention the political implications because I guess that we here in Europe would be so incensed in the unlikely event that the Jews have lied about large numbers of deaths (which would mean that we Europeans have been indoctrinated with collective self-hatred over .. nothing) that we would just bomb the crap out of Israel.

So I would just hope for Israel (and for our own purses) that the established version of history is indeed the truth.

[PetiteParisienne]

Billions of wiedergutmachung and American subsidies and their special position in European and American politics and society. :coffee:

No to mention the political implications because I guess that we here in Europe would be so incensed in the unlikely event that the Jews have lied about large numbers of deaths (which would mean that we Europeans have been indoctrinated with collective self-hatred over .. nothing) that we would just bomb the crap out of Israel.

So I would just hope for Israel (and for our own purses) that the established version of history is indeed the truth.

My WWII knowledge isn't terribly extensive. It's safe to say that I really only know the basics.

From what I have heard, the Nazis kept very detailed records.

[The Lawspeaker]

My WWII knowledge isn't terribly extensive. It's safe to say that I really only know the basics.

From what I have heard, the Nazis kept very detailed records.
They were anal when it came to that. But there is more then just records. Forensics will also be needed.

[Padre Organtino]

Closer to Mediterranean Europeans than Georgians!! :eek:

Why should Georgians be close to Mediterranean Europeans? Due to virtue of having dark eyes and hair?

BTW I don't remember any Georgian here (not that there were many:D) claiming Europeanness.

[Prince Carlo]

Sicilians, Southern Italians, and Cypriots - Semitic (and a bit North African too, me thinks) admixed Europeans

Ashkenazi Jews - European admixed Semites

:p

Let's say neolitich/mesolitich immigrants. :thumb001:

North Africans and Semites are just one of the many groups of Neolitich/Mesolitich guys.

[Insuperable]

I see that I have a lot of catching to do since last night. Please let me share you my views and experience I received
during years with the last 10-15 posts and sum this up somehow.

I have noticed how English, Swedish... are a little more extremist in defying who is white and who is not, who is European
and who is not. For example I have noticed that some Swedish who classifies someone as lets say Pontid, some Bulgarian will
classify him as North Pontid. What I want to say is that it is pointless to argue how much Askhenazis are white or not
with all this diversity on this forum while Americans are a little less extreme not matter if they are of Germanic
metaethnicity probably because they live among all that Africans, Hispanics, and Indians...

I am first Croat, then European and than white ( no matter what some Germanic Nordocentered Northerner will say )
while Scottish are first Scottish, then British, then European and then white. Of course being white is important to me
and some think how I think that I am first white then Croat. False. If we are going to follow this logic no Jew, no muslim
can be nor Croat ( and therefore nor European ), nor Scottish, while being or at least looking white is arguable at least
for Askhenazis.

It really hurts me when I see people on this forum saying how Southern Italians, Greeks.. are not white. Maybe they are
not but it still hurts. You can notice how people from borders of Europe are a genetically little less white.
If you think about it you can thank them because you are more white then they are. Take Mongols and Turks as a example
and others. While for example British were drinking their tea people were dying to defend borders of Europe and
eventual breach in Europe. So yes, Swedish are less mongoloid because Finland is more mongloid, Northern Italy is less
arabized because south Italy is more arabized, you have no Turkish blood because Serbs have some and so on.
At least you can show some respect instead calling them mongrels. At worst they are geographically European and little less white.

Fuck EU and everything it stands for. We all should have our own money and our own borders and if you are Dutch
you should care about Netherlands, if you are Romanian you should care about Romania, if you are Russian you should
care about Russia but still preseve some sense of metaethnicitis and sense of Europeanism.
If I recall correctly when I decided to join to apricity I joined because it said "for cultural and ethnical European
preservation" and not classify me, classify this, are my eyes grey or blue, are they black, light brown or dark brown,
does he/she has mongoloid, african or Jewish ancestary, post pictures of noridcs, post pictures of atlantomeds...
Nowadays everyone thinks of himself as European and/or white and as Germanic or Slavic. This is wrong. Why?
Because if I recall correctly every European country was by far the strongest in past when there was competitiveness
between countries wether we are talking about economy or science and technology and the strong patriotism kept immigrants
away. We should have this back except wars.

Now, where do Askhenazis come in all this?

Remember when we are talking about Askhenazis we are not talking about Muslims who are non stop protesting wether in
Europe or outside or Africans in the US who are inclined to criminal acts.
When I think about Akhenazis I think of intelligent people who did nothing but boost its host countries in terms of
science and economy and if possible gave its host countries even greater reputation.
There are several millions Akhenazis in Europe and some more in the US and everyone worries about them compared
to massive non European immigrations wether in the US or Europe numbered in tens of millions while good number of them
does not boost their host countries but the opposite.
I see politicans in Croatia who rob their own people, I see idiots painting graphites on buildings and doing nothing
but sleep all day. What is the purpose of men and women who are downgrading their own country. I may seem cruel but why
would not I want some Intelligent Jew to replace them who would enhance life of my fellow Croats.
For example, the governor of Croatian national bank is a Jewish guy. No one can deny that where are Jews there is money but
recently he was given an award as the best world governor. Many times his ideas got Croatia out of hard times.
Should I be angry because a Jew is in my country. No, but the opposite I should thank him.
Many Askhenazi Jews in their host countries in history and today were/are kind of famous scientists, Nobel
prize winners, academcians, artists and so on.
Two times Oscar winner Branko Lustig ( Croatian Jew ) said many times on TV "I am Croat", "I love Croatia". He may not be
Croat but in this case who am I to tell him he is not or at least I may think he is not but why should I hurt his feelings
if I could. It is not like he did something wrong for Croatia.
My point is that can we simply make an EXCEPTION for this kind of European looking people who did nothing but boost
its host countries and it seems that is what they keep doing because they are intelligent people not some mindless Africans
and we are talking about handful of people when compared to its host countries and other very non-European immigrants.

[Baron Samedi]

Have you been to Israel? I have. More than once. Israelis love Europe. I've also been to the West Bank. Palestinian's don't love Europe, but many wish they could escape the PA and be Israeli.

You think I'm dangerous? You're afraid of a girl. Fantastic. No wonder you're so mean-spirited.


Your agenda on this forum is pretty obvious.

I'm part Ashkenazi (and still somewhat ashamed of it). How about you?

And if you are on a Euro Preservation board, why are you CONSTANTLY rattling on about Jewish shit?

[Defiance]

We don't care if Israel loves Europe. The love is not particularly mutual.
There's basically no reason to believe that to begin with; it makes little if any sense. Regardless, you're damned right when you say that the feeling simply isn't mutual, at least not amongst the more enlightened gentiles.


No. Not of you. But your fellow Jews have been wreaking havoc for the past 1000 years (from wreaking economies, building up monopolies over the backs of Christians, to financing the slave trade (which gave us a bad name) to financing wars (even financing Hitler to even letting in the Muslims during the Golden Age of Jewry in mediaeval Spain) so there are a lot of Europeans that still have no love for the Chosen People eventhough they are being fed stories about what happened to you during WWII.
Excellent points, particularly that regarding the trans-Atlantic slave trade. But regardless of alleged Jewish involvement, one really does have to wonder how all Whites got the blame for the actions of a small group of Anglo crooks to begin with; for example, what did the Dutch have to do with slavery? Or Swedes? Or Russians? Or Greeks? Or Austrians? I'm pretty sure that the answer is "not a damned thing," but try telling that to a typical liberal.

But of course, I think that's for another thread.


And to Osweo.....

'Atlanticist' camp.
What the hell is that???

[The Lawspeaker]

What the hell is that???
Atlanticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanticism).

[2Cool]

There's basically no reason to believe that to begin with; it makes little if any sense. Regardless, you're damned right when you say that the feeling simply isn't mutual, at least not amongst the more enlightened gentiles.


Excellent points, particularly that regarding the trans-Atlantic slave trade. But regardless of alleged Jewish involvement, one really does have to wonder how all Whites got the blame for the actions of a small group Anglo crooks to begin with; for example, what did the Dutch have to do with slavery? Or Swedes? Or Russians? Or Greeks? Or Austrians? I'm pretty sure that the answer is "not a damned thing," but try telling that to a typical liberal.

But of course, I think that's for another thread.


And to Osweo.....

What the hell is that???

The Dutch were heavily involved in the slave trade too.

[PetiteParisienne]

Your agenda on this forum is pretty obvious.

I'm part Ashkenazi (and still somewhat ashamed of it). How about you?

And if you are on a Euro Preservation board, why are you CONSTANTLY rattling on about Jewish shit?

Agenda? You're being paranoid. And I 'rattle' about anything that I feel knowledgeable enough about to make a contribution towards.

If I were ashamed of my Ashkenazi background, then I wouldn't mention it.

[The Lawspeaker]

The Dutch were heavily involved in the slave trade too.
Tell me something I didn't know. Or should we say the Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#Cura.C3.A7ao) as the biggest profit makers of it were Jewish families like Maduro in Curaçao.

[The Lawspeaker]

If I were ashamed of my Ashkenazi background, then I wouldn't mention it.
It's not something to be proud of either.

[PetiteParisienne]

It's not something to be proud of either.

Indeed. It's neither here nor there for me.

[2Cool]

Tell me something I didn't know. Or should we say the Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade#Cura.C3.A7ao) as the biggest profit makers of it were Jewish families like Maduro in Curaçao.

Have you read his post? He seems to imply that the Dutch weren't involved. Unless he meant the actual population and no the country/government itself...

[The Lawspeaker]

Have you read his post? He seems to imply that the Dutch weren't involved. Unless he meant the actual population and no the country/government itself...
Then he was right as most of the Dutch weren't really involved in it. Ship captains and officers were Dutch. Most of the crew foreign (German, Norwegian and Danish) and the same for soldiers on fortresses. The governors of fortresses were Dutch.

Most of the traders were Jews (probably both in Africa - the ones that bought them from the tribes - and in the New World) and only the plantation owners were Dutch. The gentlemen that ran the WIC were usually Dutch.

Most of the population wasn't at all involved in the slave trade or profited from it.

[Osweo]

Hypocrisy 101 :)

If Islam is our 'neighbour', then why not Jews? In fact, Jews have been living IN Europe for much longer than Muslims have.

So let me get this straight: you are Islam-friendly and want confrontation with Jews? :mmmm: How about not wanting confrontation with either? :lightbul: You know ... tree-hugging and all that shit. :coffee:
Islam is shite, and it needs keeping out of Europe. But where it's taken its deepest roots it probably suits the people there, so we should leave it alone. We can push for the rights of the surviving Christians and other non-Muslims there too, of course, but there's no need to get all pally with Jews and assist them in fucking the place over. Muslims are bad enough without giving them reasons to want to hurt us. :rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

Then he was right as most of the Dutch weren't really involved in it. Ship captains and officers were Dutch. Most of the crew foreign (German, Norwegian and Danish) and the same for soldiers on fortresses. The governors of fortresses were Dutch.

Most of the traders were Jews (probably both in Africa - the ones that bought them from the tribes - and in the New World) and only the plantation owners were Dutch. The gentlemen that ran the WIC were usually Dutch.

Most of the population wasn't at all involved in the slave trade or profited from it.

I need to correct myself there: a lot of the plantation OWNERS were also Jewish: both in Suriname or in the Dutch West Indies. So.. how Dutch was this slave trade anyway ?

So we are dealing here with:

Mostly Jewish financiers
Jewish middleman traders
Mostly Jewish plantation owners.

Mostly German and Scandinavian (also some Dutch) crews of the ships and mostly mercenary soldiers.
Mostly Dutch WIC big wigs. (to see how Dutch they are I would need to look up names)
Dutch governors of the fortresses in Africa and in the West Indies, Suriname.
Africans selling their prisoners to "us" - or perhaps would it be more historically correct to say: Jews.

I don't think that it would be fair to say that it was a Dutch slave trade.

[Joe McCarthy]

Islam is shite, and it needs keeping out of Europe. But where it's taken its deepest roots it probably suits the people there, so we should leave it alone. We can push for the rights of the surviving Christians and other non-Muslims there too, of course, but there's no need to get all pally with Jews and assist them in fucking the place over. Muslims are bad enough without giving them reasons to want to hurt us. :rolleyes:

You have a pretty naive view of Islam if you think supporting Israel is some kind of huge reason why they don't like us. There can be no peace with Islam as they don't believe in coexistence with us. That question was settled around 636 or so.

[The Lawspeaker]

You have a pretty naive view of Islam if you think supporting Israel is some kind of huge reason why they don't like us. There can be no peace with Islam as they don't believe in coexistence with us. That question was settled around 636 or so.
And you only say that because you think we should keep supporting Israel. :wink
I don't feel like supporting the nation whose people (the Jewish people) have disgraced my nation by making it complicit in (and even worse: putting the blame on us for) something they have committed.

[Joe McCarthy]

And you only say that because you think we should keep supporting Israel. :wink


No, I say that because I understand Muslims, and I think this notion held by anti-Semites that they dislike us because of Jewish schemes or whatever is nonsense; dangerous nonsense, at that.

[The Lawspeaker]

No, I say that because I understand Muslims, and I think this notion held by anti-Semites that they dislike us because of Jewish schemes or whatever is nonsense; dangerous nonsense, at that.
How many Muslims have you seen in your life, Joe ? I personally would be very much for maintaining an ice-cold neutrality when it comes to both and go Jew on them: sell weapons to both and poke the fire so that they may end up destroying each other.

[Joe McCarthy]

How many Muslims have you seen in your life, Joe ? I personally would be very much for maintaining an ice-cold neutrality when it comes to both and go Jew on them: sell weapons to both and poke the fire so that they may end up destroying each other.

There needs to be a policy to weaken Islam as a civilizational force. Part of that means winning the war in Afghanistan.

[Osweo]

You have a pretty naive view of Islam if you think supporting Israel is some kind of huge reason why they don't like us. There can be no peace with Islam as they don't believe in coexistence with us. That question was settled around 636 or so.

So you're gunna WIPE ISLAM OUT, then?

Are you fuck. Your kind do their best to give it its bit of European soil, Kosovo, Bosnia etc... :tsk:

Islam is there to stay. Just leave it alone and let us sort our own borders out. :rolleyes2:

[The Lawspeaker]

There needs to be a policy to weaken Islam as a civilizational force. Part of that means winning the war in Afghanistan.
Why don't you go to war then ? Why should the sons of my country die in a war so that the fatcats of Wallstreet get even richer and Israel is "protected" against it's neighbours (which they have pissed off themselves) and that while your precious taught Europeans to welcome perfect aliens into our homes and let our societies be weakened in the process while they themselves, in Israel, don't give the same people a quarter. While your precious "Chosen People" sold off pieces of European soil to Islam (Kosovo, Bosnia). The people you support used to open the gates for the Turks and the Berbers back in the Middle Ages for the proverbial 30 pieces of silver.

[PetiteParisienne]

Why don't you go to war then ? Why should precious Dutch boys die in a war so that the Jewish fatcats of Wallstreet get even richer and Israel is "protected" against it's neighbours (which they have pissed off themselves) and that while your precious Jews infected Europeans with multiculturalism and sold off pieces of European soil to Islam (Kosovo, Bosnia). The people you support used to open the gates for the Turks and the Berbers back in the Middle Ages.

I think that if America pulls out of Israel's affairs, the rest of involved countries would follow suit. It would be the best for everyone.

[The Lawspeaker]

I think that if America pulls out of Israel's affairs, the rest of involved countries would follow suit. It would be the best for everyone.
You know that your kinfolk would rather see the sons of Europe (including your own husband if necessary) die so that Israel is safe and their pockets are lined with even more money ?

[Mercury]

Islam is there to stay. Just leave it alone and let us sort our own borders out.


Who says Islam is there to stay? Many youths in Muslim countries are looking towards Christianity or indigenous religions such as Zoroastrianism. With democracy spreading throughout the Middle East, there's no reason to believe Islam won't become secularized and possibly abandoned by many in the future.


I think that if America pulls out of Israel's affairs, the rest of involved countries would follow suit. It would be the best for everyone.

America pulling out of Israeli affairs = End of Israel as an independent state.

[The Lawspeaker]

America pulling out of Israeli affairs = End of Israel as an independent state.
And I don't think that many people would miss it. :thumb001:

[PetiteParisienne]

You know that your kinfolk would rather see the sons of Europe (including your own husband if necessary) so that Israel is safe and their pockets are lined with even more money ?

I think it's important to separate the power from the people here. I don't know anyone who is benefiting financially from what's happening with Israel. However, I do think that ties with America is the main thing keeping Israel from carpet-bombing neighbouring Arab countries.

[The Lawspeaker]

I think it's important to separate the power from the people here. I don't know anyone who is benefiting financially from what's happening with Israel. However, I do think that ties with America is the main thing keeping Israel from carpet-bombing neighbouring Arab countries.
Well.. the answer is quite simple: banks, central banks ( just a lot of them just happen to be Jewish...). Isn't it a coincidence that for such a small group Jews hold so many power throughout Western society ?

[Joe McCarthy]

So you're gunna WIPE ISLAM OUT, then?

Are you fuck. Your kind do their best to give it its bit of European soil, Kosovo, Bosnia etc... :tsk:

Islam is there to stay. Just leave it alone and let us sort our own borders out. :rolleyes2:

The West didn't give Kosovo and Bosnia its Muslim population. The Ottomans did. That those people have functioning states only helps ensure stability in Europe.

I doubt Islam can be wiped out, but it can be severely weakened by armed conflict. Muslims respect one thing: dominance in war. If they lose wars they become demoralized and begin to question their faith.

[Osweo]

Who says Islam is there to stay? Many youths in Muslim countries are looking towards Christianity or indigenous religions such as Zoroastrianism. With democracy spreading throughout the Middle East, there's no reason to believe Islam won't become secularized and possibly abandoned by many in the future.
THAT will not happen by interference. IF it has any chance of occurring, this can only happen when the area is left alone. 'OUR' policies there just give the Islamists a new lease of life.


America pulling out of Israeli affairs = End of Israel as an independent state.
:cry2

[PetiteParisienne]

Well.. the answer is quite simple: banks, central banks ( just a lot of them just happen to be Jewish...). Isn't it a coincidence that for such a small group Jews hold so many power throughout Western society ?

I would class those people as 'the power', too.

[The Lawspeaker]

I would class those people as 'the power', too.Which coincidentally usually happen to be your kinfolk ?

[PetiteParisienne]

Which coincidentally usually happen to be your kinfolk ?

If my birth is considered a cosmic coincidence, then yes, I suppose, in the same way that the French, Romanians, and Austrians are my kinfolk.

I am not benefitting in any way whatsoever from the actions of slimy bankers.

[Insuperable]

So you're gunna WIPE ISLAM OUT, then?

Are you fuck. Your kind do their best to give it its bit of European soil, Kosovo, Bosnia etc... :tsk:

Islam is there to stay. Just leave it alone and let us sort our own borders out. :rolleyes2:


Ok my last post before bed

I think the US did a good thing. At least I prefer Muslims to be quarantined rather walking among among Serbs. I do not know for Kosovars but Bosnias are mainly converts.

[Defiance]

The Dutch were heavily involved in the slave trade too.
Oh? Yeah, I'll admit that I wasn't quite sure about that one. I apologize. Still, my point stands.

And furthermore, indeed.....

Most of the population wasn't at all involved in the slave trade or profited from it.
.....that is a great point as well.

[The Exiled King]

Most Ashkenazi Jews look pretty European. I have seen more Ashkenazi Jews that look European than Semitic.

This is because all Ashkenazi Jews have Celto-Germanic admixture because they are all originally from the Rhineland and South Germany after the Roman Empire put them there, thats when they got genes from the local Germanic population. It was only after they mixed in with what would become the German population that they moved to Eastern Europe, hence Eastern European Jews. Now don't get me wrong some Jews do look more Semitic than European probably due to genetic re-combination but i'd say they are mostly European (Celto-Germanic).

[Gaztelu]

Who put the tag "marranos and torquemada"? :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Who put the tag "marranos and torquemada"? :D
I wonder too. Not a bad idea though... :thumb001::coffee:

[Sikeliot]

How did this thread get so off topic? :lol:

[rhiannon]

You know that your kinfolk would rather see the sons of Europe (including your own husband if necessary) die so that Israel is safe and their pockets are lined with even more money ?

It's not her fault. She cannot be made to feel guilty merely by the fact she happened to be born with Jewish ancestry.

Many Jews are quite against our (the US's) continued support of Israel, actually.

[The Lawspeaker]

It's not her fault. She cannot be made to feel guilty merely by the fact she happened to be born with Jewish ancestry.


"Shrugs" It's because of the Jews that we are where we are. The eternal question "what did we do wrong during the war ?", "what did we do wrong in the Indies ?", "we were the big evil slave-traders" - all brought to you by Jewish propaganda and because of our "evil history" we now have to accept perversions and more and more and more immigrants.

It it true that more "Dutch" Jews died and that we had some casualty rates in Europe but the fact is: where could they go ? We're not like Denmark where Sweden was just across the water. We didn't have much wilderness or countryside so they could not be hidden. On top of that we had our perfect administration system and conscientious civil servants that unfortunately did their job.

[Arch Hades]

Most of it is not Central-East European (Germanic or Slavic) but rather Southeast European



"Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. Rapid decay of IBD in Ashkenazi Jewish genomes was consistent with a severe bottleneck followed by large expansion, such as occurred with the so-called demographic miracle of population expansion from 50,000 people at the beginning of the 15th century to 5,000,000 people at the beginning of the 19th century. Thus, this study demonstrates that European/Syrian and Middle Eastern Jews represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters woven together by shared IBD genetic threads."

SOURCE : Gil Atzmon et al. Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry AJHG doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015


The study found close genetic ties between Ashkenazim and Northern Italians, French and Sardinians, as well as Syrian Jews. The authors suggest the genetic affinity "favors the idea of non-Semitic Mediterranean ancestry in the formation of the European/Syrian Jewish groups." The authors suggest that the core Ashkenazim population was formed from a mixture of Jews who migrated or were expelled from Israel, with those who converted during either Hellenic-Hasmonean or Greco-Roman times.

[Osweo]

MThe authors suggest that the core Ashkenazim population was formed from a mixture of Jews who migrated or were expelled from Israel, with those who converted during either Hellenic-Hasmonean or Greco-Roman times.

Thanks for that.

When I read 'converts', though, it strikes me as rather misleading. Thinking about the absorption of European elements into Jewry in the late Imperial period, I'm always reminded of Barates the merchant, and his 'wife' Regina, who lived at what would later become South Shields in County Durham... We know about them from the tombstone of the latter. She was a British woman, and had been Barates's slave before he freed her and married her. Her epitaph is in Latin, but also in Syrian, which is quite unusual for a Roman monument from near Hadrian's Wall.

Barates was from Palmyra, and not a Jew as such, but of the same region, filling a role that many Jews were doing at the time elsewhere in the Empire. I imagine lots of merchants of this stock will have been finding themselves 'wives' in this way, and Regina's willingness in the matter, as a freedwoman, is somewhat moot. We can thus picture to ourselves other women in similar circumstances, whose children were raised as Jews. The amount of 'conversion' here is not what it might at first seem.

(Anyway, I'm glad for yet another nail in the coffin of the idiotic Khazar 'theory')

[Gamera]

Which coincidentally usually happen to be your kinfolk ?


If my birth is considered a cosmic coincidence, then yes, I suppose, in the same way that the French, Romanians, and Austrians are my kinfolk.

I am not benefitting in any way whatsoever from the actions of slimy bankers.

This. (Ashkenazi) Jews are not all the same nor they treat each other the same way as much as people think. Not even during the Holocaust. A quick reference I can give can be located in Wladislaw Szpilman's memories "The Pianist" (the famous film was based off these memories).

At one point of the book Szpilman narrates how divided Jews were inside the of the ghetto. The ghetto was segregated between the wealthy Jews and the poor Jews, and those rich ones never gave a damn about the poor, common folk ones who were dying on the streets every day. He narrates how in the ghetto (specifically inside one cafe he worked in) he lost all faith in solidarity between Jews.

Quote from the book in Spanish (I could not find it in English and don't have time to translate right now, I apologize. But it's worth reading so maybe Google Translate can help):



El verdadero negocio del contrabando, el habitual, lo dirigían potentados como Kon y Heller; era mucho más sencillo y también más seguro. Bastaba con sobornar a los policías de guardia, los cuales cerraban los ojos en los momentos convenidos, para que cruzaran la puerta del gueto, ante sus narices y con su acuerdo tácito, verdaderas columnas de carros que transportaban alimentos, bebidas caras, manjares exquisitos, tabaco recién llegado de Grecia, y artículos de fantasía y cosméticos franceses.

En el Nowoczesna podía ver todos los días esos productos de contrabando. Era un café frecuentado por ricos, que acudían allí cargados de joyas de oro y diamantes. Entre taponazos de champaña, busconas de llamativo maquillaje ofrecían sus servicios a los especuladores, sentados ante
mesas repletas. Perdí dos ilusiones en ese café: mi fe en nuestra solidaridad general y en la musicalidad de los judíos.

En el exterior del Nowoczesna no se permitía que hubiera mendigos. Los ahuyentaban gruesos porteros armados con porras. A menudo llegaban rickshaws cargados de hombres y mujeres ataviados con costosas lanas en invierno, y con suntuosos sombreros de paja y sedas francesas en verano.
Antes de llegar a la zona protegida por las porras de los porteros, los propios clientes apartaban a la muchedumbre a bastonazos con expresión colérica. No daban limosna; en su opinión, la caridad sólo servía para desmoralizar a la gente. Quien trabajara tanto como ellos ganaría lo mismo que ellos: cualquiera podía hacerlo y si alguien no sabía cómo ganarse la vida era culpa suya.

Cuando por fin se sentaban a los veladores del amplio café, que sólo visitaban por negocios, comenzaban a quejarse de la dureza de los tiempos y la falta de solidaridad que mostraban los judíos estadounidenses. ¿Qué se creían? Aquí estaba muriendo gente por no tener nada que llevarse a la boca. Sucedían las cosas más espantosas y la prensa estadounidense no decía ni palabra, y los
banqueros del otro lado del charco no hacían nada por conseguir que Estados Unidos declarara la guerra a Alemania, aunque estaban en condiciones de presionar en ese sentido si así lo querían.

Nadie prestaba atención a mi música en el Nowoczesna. Cuanto más alto tocaba, más alto hablaban los asistentes mientras comían y bebían, y cada día mi público y yo competíamos por ver quién se imponía. En cierta ocasión un cliente incluso me envió a un camarero para decirme que dejara de tocar unos momentos, porque la música le impedía probar las monedas de veinte dólares de oro que acababa de adquirir a otro cliente. Entonces golpeó con suavidad las monedas contra el mármol de la mesa, las tomó con la punta de los dedos, las acercó hasta su oído y escuchó sin pestañear su tintineo, la única música que le interesaba. No toqué mucho tiempo allí. Por suerte, encontré trabajo en un café muy diferente de la calle Sienna al que iban intelectuales judíos para oírme tocar.

It's an important distinction that should not be forgotten. ;)