Sami people in southern Norway during the middle ages

[Pallantides]

How far south the Sami extended in the past has been debated among historians and archeologists for many years. The Norwegian historian Yngvar Nielsen, commissioned by the Norwegian government in 1889 to determine this question in order to settle contemporary questions of Sami land rights, concluded that the Sami had lived no farther south than Lierne in Nord-Trøndelag county until around 1500, when they started moving south, reaching the area around Lake Femunden in the 18th century. This hypothesis is still accepted among many historians, but has been the subject of scholarly debate in the 21st century. In recent years, several archaeological finds indicate a Sami presence in Southern Norway in the Middle Ages, and Southern Sweden, including finds in Lesja, in Vang in Valdres and in Hol and Ål in Hallingdal. Proponents of the Sami interpretations of these finds assume a mixed population of Norse and Sami people in the mountainous areas of Southern Norway in the Middle Ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people
http://www.oppland.no/Fag-og-tjenester/Kulturarv/Aktuelt-kulturvern/Samer-i-Valdres-for-1000-ar-siden---gammetufter-funnet/
http://folk.uio.no/josteinb/Artikler/Samer%20p%E5%20Dovrefjell.pdf
http://www.duo.uio.no/publ/kultmus/2008/70659/samer_i_osterdalen.pdf

[Pallantides]

I wonder if this could explain the North Asian scores picked up in some South Norwegians on the Eurogenes Project?

NO2 - 1.08%
NO3 - 1.29%
NO5 -1.15%
NO7 - 1.94%
NO8 - 1.24%

'North Asian' is absent in the Danish and Scanian-Swedish participants of Eurogenes.

WE K=12 Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDdNUDhCZjFkQ2d6TFNmYzJ0VGZud Hc#gid=0)

[evon]

I think its highly likely that there must be a consistent low level of Siberian ancestry among most Scandinavians, i even see this in my paternal aunt who is extreme western Norwegian, but in my maternal uncle the picture is more complex due to "Tatar ancestry", so i dont quite know how to separate the too that well..

[Pallantides]

http://www.slu.se/Global/externwebben/centrumbildningar-projekt/centrum-for-biologisk-mangfald/Dokument/publikationer-cbm/cbm-skriftserie/skrift55.pdf

http://i.imgur.com/GTye0.jpg
http://imageshack.no/44p

[Pallantides]

but in my maternal uncle the picture is more complex due to "Tatar ancestry", so i dont quite know how to separate the too that well..

I think it's possible your "Tatar ancestry" connections could have something to do with the spread of Y-DNA Q(which is not found among Sami)
http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-Q%20Eupedia.gif

[evon]

I think it's possible your "Tatar ancestry" connections could have something to do with the spread of Y-DNA Q(which is not found among Sami)
http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-Q%20Eupedia.gif

Who knows, but its not found in Saami, at least i have not seen it in any of the samples so far, so it must have come an alternative route, but i have seen ties in some of my other Norwegian relatives at 23andme.com, but i dont know if these connections are the same as mine or not?

[Albion]

Ugh, nomads want land rights. Whatever next. :rolleyes2: Why can't they just cross pastoral farmland with their reindeer herds without booting Norwegian farmers and their sheep off it?